How was the life of a little girl in the middle ages?

>>2928848
short mostly.

>>2928865
This, they grew up eventually

Too many factors. which decade, country, social class

>>2928848

Ask any women from the Middle-East

They worked with their parents, then when adult they married with someone, worked with him, and stayed with that person till they died

Most were born on loli farms where they were raped for the first few years and eaten after they got too old

>>2929141
this is the answer OP was looking for

>>2928848
The middle ages covers a timespan of 1,000 years, so there's obviously lots of variation. It's safe to say that life was better during the High Middle Ages (1000-13000) than in the eras before or after.

If you want more details, I recommend "When Fathers Ruled: Family Life in Reformation Europe" by Steven Ozment and "The Middle Ages: Everyday Life in Medieval Europe" by Jeffrey L. Singman.

>>2929141
Things feminists literally believe

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>>2929189
>High Middle Ages (1000-13000)
>13000
The Hyper Middle Age?

>>2928848
witch hunted.

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>>2929189
>1000-13000
>13000
Damn nigga, that must be the ultra-late hyper-middle ages after the fall of the Neo-Ethiopian Empire.

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>>2929199
>>2929203
You guys know I meant 1300, stop picking on me.

>>2928848
It was probably shit.

>>2929141
lel

Full of diseases

Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/

>>2929141
How don't more people know this? It's literally where the term "Lollipop" was invented.

>>2928869
Hansel and Gretel were abandoned in the woods by their parents so they wouldn't grow up

From the director of movie " "In fact I came across an amazing article on the Internet that showed how the medieval system was genuinely socialist alongside our social Democracy, which was no longer a system of mutualism, often based on the notion of giving or charity, and the lord was bound to protect his peasants, not only militarily, but also by collecting grievances and ensuring It is not surprising that women were highly respected, and that they had a certain amount of power, They were noble or peasant. ""

Apparently women had power, both peasants and nobles.

>>2928881
They are kinda rare to find.

>>2928848
They born and do baby shit, they grow up and play and work, keep growing up more work, they get married to some other peasant , they fuck like rabbits, have children, die or not , raise children, work, die

>>2929199
>>2929212
so is posting pedophile cartoons allowed on this board now?
mods deal with this

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>>2929573
Where do you think we are?

>>2928848
How old would that girl be, 12? I'm shit at estimating ages.
I don't see why her internet profiles wouldn't show her age either, it's not like she's 40 trying to make herself younger.

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>>2929573
>posting a fully clothed girl is proof of pedophilia

Was pedophilia (13>) frowned upon back then?

>>2930168
It wasn't common. Normal people (not the nobility) actually married quite late.

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>>2930168
depends what area

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>>2930168
under 13 isn't pedophilia. Ages 11-14 (when girls begin puberty) is hebephilia. So was hebephilia frowned upon? Not at all. Until the 20th century is was common all over the world. Pic very much related.

>>2930208
USA was more degenerate than Europe.

>>2930208
>as long as it's not illegal it isn't immoral

t. Fucks dogs because it's legal where you live and it "doesn't affect anyone"

>>2930208
>From 1619 to 1660 in the archdiocese of Canterbury, England, the median age of the brides was 22 years and nine months while the median age for the grooms was 25 years and six months, with average ages of 24 years for the brides and nearly 28 years for the grooms, with the most common ages at marriage being 22 years for women and 24 years for men; the Church dictated that the age when one could marry without the consent of one's parents was 21 years. A large majority of English brides in this time were at least 19 years of age when they married, and only one bride in a thousand was thirteen years of age or younger.[46]

>>2930208
Which goes to show that some people claim innate moral shock by things because of their own upbringing that doesn't even apply to their own parents' generation, yet claim it's common sense.

And the changes would come decades later and with a smaller increase in other countries.

I guess there's a reason the 10 commandments are taught despite seeming obvious. People think they can decide what's been set in stone.

made to do farm work or spin wool by her mother or some other female relative or in-law, when her guardian is taking a break and not supervising them she would ride pigs and engage in other farm-related fun with the other children of the village

>>2929789
> Tfw weeb garbage like your picture is the reason why we will never have any good historical anime

>>2930244
See the responses before this, which I didn't see, for examples of denial and revisionism.

>>2930235
>morality is fixed

back to pol

>>2930235
I'm not danish.

>>2929156
*all of us who clicked this thread

>>2930208
No, most girls, especially in the past, did not undergo puberty by 11. For them it was 12-14. Only now a days do we see such instances like puberty occurring as early as 10 or 11 for girls. Hebephilia starts from teens anon, or when a person has halfway physically matured as an adolescent such that they have some presence to adults. A 11 or 12 year old just now budding some tiny breasts and small patch of pubs is hardly matured at all.

>>2930316
>No, most girls, especially in the past, did not undergo puberty by 11. For them it was 12-14.
Proof with citation?
>Only now a days do we see such instances like puberty occurring as early as 10 or 11 for girls.
Puberty can begin as early as 8 for girls senpai. For boys it's later.

>>2930248
Rose of Versailles was pretty good

>>2930168
Muslim word: no
Christian world: I think so. I think 15 was the expected marriage age.
>>2930242
underrated post
>>2930248
Ruroni Kenshin's pretty good.
>>2930274
>morality is variable
go back to tumblr

>>2928881
Shooting AKs, SVDs, etc.?

>>2930242
Why would you use Diocese of Canterbury, instead of Diocese of Kent? A town with no population, in a era before towns had population, will not be a statistically accurate.

>>2929203
>>2929199
I knew that we're still in the middle ages. It's still feudalism, except by corporate nobles now. Little girls are still smuggled for rich lords even now.

>>2930325
I know, but it is rare. 8 being one of the rarest.Do you think I'm dumb?
>proof
Science. See: delayed menses and amenorrhea
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/amenorrhea/article_em.htm
In certain African tribes where women are more active, they tend to have it later around 14-15 on average. There is a book i read once that mentioned this I just need to remember. Gymnasts and certain Olympic athletes tend to start a bit later too. Never earlier than 14.
Women in the past, Peasant girls especially with their lack of a balanced diet along with increased physical activity would probably not be having it so early. Only now with modern diets, knowledge of health, and extreme lack of exercise do we start seeing such early onsets. like 8 or 9.

>>2930413
>>2930325
Also the is the whole hormones in meat products scare too, but I'm less inclined to believe that one. Could be a possibility and definitely could explain a lot.

>>2930413
>medieval peasants are equivalent to Central African tribes
No they weren't.
>something something diet
Nice conjecture. Medieval peasants had a rich diet but keep buying the memes.

>>2930181
You got it the wrong way. In most cases nobility married quite late (but they could be betrothed really early). Early pregnancy is dangerous, you don't want important people to die because of childbirth.

>>2930168
No. The de facto minimum age of marriage was set at 10 in most of Western Europe for a very long time (something like 1100-1700), although younger marriages weren't unheard of. It was understood that the marriage wasn't to be consummated until the girl had her first period, but as far as I know there was no legal mandate nor framework in place to enforce that.

>>2930208
Average age of menarche is roughly 11.5 now. In the middle ages, median age was over 16. That means that a small but significant number of 18 year old girls would still be prepubescent. Male maturity also occurred at a much later age. It was truly a glorious era to be a child lover.

>>2930449
>In the middle ages, median age was over 16. That means that a small but significant number of 18 year old girls would still be prepubescent.
Proof with citation? And please no 21st century nigger tribes in Africa.

>>2930363
ya sure theres some good historical stuff that came out before anime became complete garbage (i recommend the "the cockpit" if you haven't already seen it)

but these days you cant get even historical fiction without them shoving bug eyed, candy colored haired anime girls, and the fan service that comes with it so they can pander to the lowest common denominator in japan

we will never gets japans version of saving private ryan because that would require a non shit budget and the writers having to think of a story themselves instead of working on manga and light novel adaptations which usually entails a high chance of financial success

>>2930532
You dismiss good shows on the grounds that you don't like their aesthetic and praise garbage because you like the art style. Cockpit has a somewhat passable first episode, but the following two are utter garbage.
There's many good anime, although maybe not in the tiniest of tiny niches your autistic focus lies on.

>>2930426
>something diet
In major proteins? Did you even read my source? If you want go look up the details on a good diet needed to prevent amenorrhea in women who are often physically active go ahead. And the key thing here is more active than people today. The African tribes thing was an extremely obviously just to illustrate a point. Notice I said 15 years is an average for them.
My original point was menses at ages less than 12-13 like we have today would be extremely rare considering the differences in physical activity and diet of today whit many peasants especially.

>>2930426
my bad, typos
>>2930634 African tribes thing was an extreme*
with*

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>>2930454
>tfw in another 100 years, little girls won't exist
Feels bad, man.

>>2930644
>19th-20th century northern Europe
Into the trash it goes

>>2928848

>As Christian girls grew up, they were constantly told of their worthlessness and sinful lustfulness. Women, said Tertullian, were “irrational, more prone to lust than men, and at every turn waiting to seduce men,” so husbands had to beat them all the time to keep them from sinning.5 “A good woman and a bad one equally require the stick” ran a Florentine saying, and medieval laws concluded: “Provided he neither kills nor maims her, it is legal for a man to beat his wife…”6 St. Paul said that women had to cover their heads in church because otherwise “lice-like demons would leap like sparks from female hair and poison the church.”7 Plus, of course, women were liable to turn into witches at any time and remove a man’s penis; as John Chrysostom maintained, “All witchcraft comes from carnal lust, which in women is insatiable.”8 Parents in early Christian families routinely beat their little girls badly from early infancy in order to punish their lustfulness. The historical records contain hundreds of descriptions of beating girls “to discipline them, as with this father who punished a little girl for four hours: ‘the little girl in the diapers would not receive her discipline. She cried and cried and he kept hitting her…He told me, you spank her till she breaks…But she didn’t break and, after four hours, he couldn’t continue.’”9 Teaching girls in schools was not allowed, Aelred said (1170), because the teacher might be tempted to show them affection.

http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/chapter-9-bipolar-christianity-how-torturing-sinful-children-produced-holy-wars/

>>2930674

>Most of the murders, abandonments and tortures of Christian children were accomplished by deeply depressed mothers and wet-nurses, since fathers until early modern times had little to do with children during their early years. Jean Gerson felt he had to advise fathers as late as the 15th century: “Let us not be ashamed of speaking to children.”17 Marriage itself was sinful when spouses had sex for any reason other than to produce a child. Fathers who paid some attention to their young children only did so to express their ownership of them: “The father then lifted the baby in the air above his head and kissed it on the thigh, calling out ‘My Cattle,’ for that was what it represented to his imagination.”18 Girls would not be around to take over their father’s cattle, of course, since by the time they were 15-20 years old, the fathers would hand them over to an older man to marry.19 (Actually to be raped, since the girls would often not have even met their so-called “husbands,” so what are called by historians “arranged Christian marriages” were actually “arranged rapes.”) Girls were raped so often by neighbors or employers they were often forced into lives of prostitution if they should give birth. In addition, “throughout medieval Europe daughters were loaned to guests as an act of hospitality.”20 Medieval girls were sometimes told to carry knives as they walked down the street—to ward off rapists21—since the Christian men who might have protected them “seemed to regard their rape as a trivial issue.”22 When psychoanalysts today work with women who have been raped as young girls, they often find they cannot live with their buried rage and humiliation, so they often identify with the rapist and abuse their own children (identification with the perpetrator), saying “I am a man, I get to have whatever I want.”23 Thus the sexual assaults on young girls fed their abusive assaults upon their children when they

>>2930650
It's a global phenomenon associated with industrialization and childhood nutrition. Global median age is >14, despite the fact that it's as low as 11 in the US and Western Europe. If there's a developed region you'd prefer to see data from, I'll see what I can find. It'll probably match up.

>>2930686

>Parents were proud of being God’s agent in inflicting tortures. Fathers would brag about their being given the child to beat by the mother, saying, “The man who does not correct his children with whip or rod does not love them.”102 Mothers are not shown as protecting their children against the father’s blows: “She holds not his hand from due strokes, but bares their skins with delight to his fatherly stripes.”103 Girls were battered as often as boys, often later reporting that their “head was broken in two or three places.”104 “Fathers and mothers slashed their daughters [and] as a result, the child perfectly loathed the sight of his parents.”105 Parents that tolerated independence in their children are simply not to be found anywhere in the sources. Historians regularly ignore the hundreds of primary source instances of the endless beating of children, concluding without citing any evidence at all that “girls and boys were not maltreated” in medieval times.106 The first parents who have been discovered by family historians who did not regularly batter their children, who “abjured whipping, caning, slapping, ear-pulling or hair-dragging,” were in 19th century America,107 but even then the overwhelming majority of children were whipped or battered. Showing affection for children was deemed a Christian sin—parents were told their children should not be “petted, embraced or kissed by you until after their twenty-fifth year.”108

>>2930686
>Actually to be raped, since the girls would often not have even met their so-called “husbands,” so what are called by historians “arranged Christian marriages” were actually “arranged rapes.”
I can't take the rest as representative of reality, if the author doesn't understand the nature of arranged marriages and is so obviously biased.
It doesn't occur to her that the men would be getting raped too in the scenario she outlines.

>>2930674
>>2930686
This sounds like feminist propaganda, anon.
Are they saying that most Indian women who are still given in arranged marriages are being raped currently? Most Muslim women as well. Not that they would know the importance of the idea that "loves grows" common at the time. Are they saying that women have NO sexual desire at all that they would never want to have sex with their new husbands? Even if they were handsome.
Nice bait though.

>>2930711
>>2930709

Psychohistory is not about feminism. Feel free to read the entire thing though, feminism is hardly the subject of it.

>>2930709
dude this is obviously propaganda why are you giving it any heed?
>>2930707
kek, this the cream on the crop. Christians are not supposed to show affection towards children despite what the bible, especially JESUS, says about children? lol This is a history board not, fiction.
Head to >>>/lit/

>>2930709
>>2930711
>>2930729

>The Christian Church punished disobedience to husbands as a worse sin than infanticide, which was a “venial” (minor) sin usually punished if at all by mild dietary restrictions or by performing some prayers.44 Children were not considered fully human for many years by the early Church, since priests believed “the majority of children become unprofitable, possessed by demons… performing useless and abominable deeds.”45 God Himself, Gregory said, killed newborn infants “in order to prevent their full development of their evil passions.”46 Even when infants were found dead in privies, they “might have fallen into it by accident or been placed there after stillbirth” so the mother was usually not thought guilty of anything.47 Post-partum depressed mothers paid far more attention to Soranus’s instructions on “How to Recognize the Newborn That Is Worth Rearing”48 than to any Church opinion. Leopardi said he noticed that his mother, “when she saw the death of one of her infants approaching, experienced a deep happiness.”49 Even by the 16th century, a priest admitted that “the latrines resound with the cries of children who have been plunged into them.”50 Every morning mothers during most of the Christian period could be watched throwing their unwanted babies into rivers.

Feel free to read the article and the sources by yourselves.

>>2930719
Yet you ignore out points about the idea commonly taught that "love grows" in marriage, not there from the start. Couples were married for political convenience as well as finances they would often see it as their duty, especially women who are raised to think it is their highest achievement. This whole article seems so gynocentric except in the mention of child discipline (which I also argued was likely false considering Jesus' comment about children in the bible). I'm going to wait to see if you know what I am talking about.
Yes there is the saying spare the rod, spoil the child but it was in terms of children actually doing something wrong.

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>>2930736
>Most sources are books acontemporaneous with the subject matter

>>2930719
>Psychohistory is not about feminism
I don't care, the shit you pasted is extremely tendial and focussed on females only, even though the topic isn't females but a general topic.

The bullshit about arranged marriages is especially outstanding because it is overtly wrong and shows a complete lack of both knowledge and understanding. How can someone who displays such deficiencies be trusted to summarize and quote other information reliably? It's not like arranged marriages are an marginal topic either, it is right at the center of what that person is writing about.

>>2930754
Many are also written by women, which is odd, since there are barely any competent female historians.

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>That all human sin and misery came into the world through the first woman, Eve, is the founding belief of both Judaism and Christianity, and the origin of the most severely misogynistic cultures in history.

Reminder to disregard confirmation bias trash from all points of the spectrum

Medieval peasanpfkin fascists B T F O by the contrived application of some obscure academic field I guess

>>2930736
Exposure was not seen as bad, of course.
Obviously, in a superstitious and harsh world where children born with birth defects would be seen as useless if not a curse. You are telling me this applies to all types of kids? the sources don't convenience me.
The reference of priests saying it is ok to discipline kids based on a passage of Deuteronomy is totally cherry picking. Again, this is probably in response to children who did wrong.
Parents are responsible for raising the kids under Christian doctrine and making sure they conform.

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*Refutes feminist historical revisionism by existing*

>>2930748

>feminist propaganda
>openly says women killed newborns, abused them as much as fathers, made them feel perpetually sinful

>>2930787
Uh oh. People from protestant cultures will have his go over their head and Ispew some spiel about her being a symbol of submissiveness despite the church asking both men and women to be equally submissive before god.

>>2930767
>kek thay belief of both Judism and Christianity
Except the far east eh? Oh right, because they were SO tolerant towards women right? And did they purposely leave out Islam or???

>>2930797
Except they said, as you posted earlier, that most of women's aggression towards their children was built up from the abuse they received for being women. It literally said that at the end of your 2nd post.

>>2930787

>The paintings of the Madonna and Child for more than the first thousand years of Christianity showed Mary as looking depressed, not looking at or smiling at her baby, and in fact often showed the baby Jesus as trying to cheer her up, wiping her tears away. The first paintings I could find of Mary actually looking or smiling at the baby Jesus in her lap date from the Renaissance, when Mary might be depicted as a “sometimes sad and often adoring mother since actually a child at this age was probably lying swaddled and immobile, and often miserable and starving, fed opiates to quiet them, at the mercy of a wet-nurse often miles away from its mother.”25 When their children returned from the wet-nurse, mothers in the Renaissance followed the prescriptions of friars like Dominici to avoid “hugging and kissing them” so they won’t be “sensual,” and instead “scare them with a dozen bogies,” to make them more fearful.26

>>2930830
Mary is portrayed as sad because she knows her son is destined to be crucified. How about do some basic research on catholic theology before spouting some feminist/Freudian nonsense.

>>2930819

All the responses against my posts are from people that have not read the chapter whose link I posted.
Its a chapter of a book that goes through all history looking for clues about the link between child abuse and war. It goes from tribal pagans, to romans, greeks, medieval christians, middeeasterners, asians, etc. tl;dr nobody has been without fault, abuse generates abusers who generate abuse that generates abusers ad infinitum

I posted from the chapter about medieval chsitianity only because OP is asking about GIRLS in MEDIEVAL TIMES.

>>2930830
How do you even come up with that fake none sense?

Let's satify the pollacks

>INFANTICIDE, RAPE AND VIOLENCE IN AFRICAN TRIBES
When one turns on television news and hears that a quarter million people have died in Darfur, Africa as Muslim military gangs attacked the south, the motivation for this carnage is usually attributed to their Communist ideologies . . . until one learns that what they actually did was chop off the penises of little boys and rape little girls, hardly the stated goal of materialist Communism.116 But if one knows that Darfur boys are routinely genitally mutilated and little girls both genitally mutilated and raped, as most Africans were,117 the motivation for the violence becomes more obviously a re-infliction of childhood traumas upon others. The mutilation of boys is “a practice that serves as a core rite of passage for young men,” sometimes removing all the skin from the penis, the chopping off of girls’ genitals is practiced upon “ninety percent of all women in Darfur,” and the rape of girls is common in Africa.118

>>2930893

>The core of these abuses lies in the widespread African practice of mutilating the genitals of African girls, a sadistic sexual assault that is said to be sexually arousing to those who attend the ceremony.119 Mothers, not men, insist on chopping off their daughters’ genitals, producing “horrendous pain, massive bleeding and raging infection.”120 It currently is found in 28 African countries, affecting about 130 million women—in 89 percent of Sudanese women and in 97 percent of uneducated Egyptian families and 66 percent of Egyptian educated families.121 It began historically thousands of years ago before the nations became Muslim, so it is not caused by Islamic beliefs. “Girls tremble as they hear about the experiences of other girls…first there is fear, and then the appalling memory of the experience. Sme girls live with a phobia that one or the other parent will kill them.”122 Also, most African tribal mothers still kill at least one of their children, sometimes as a child sacrifice to the gods.123

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>>2930893
>>2930897

I'm not seeing the premise being logically argued here

>THE ORIGINS OF TERRORISM IN CHILD ABUSE
>The childhood of terrorists is as abusive as that of medieval martyrs described earlier. A recent survey of 652 Palestinian undergraduates asking if they recalled sexual abuse showed 18.6 percent said they had been used sexually by a family member, 36. 2 percent by a relative and 45.6 percent by a stranger.147 Islamic boys are routinely sexually abused, usually anally, with mothers often caressing their penises, families usually using their young boys sexually since females are considered “unclean,” and with teenage boy gangs routinely preying sexually upon younger boys.148 Murray documents that “a boy cannot learn the Koran well unless a scribe commits pederasty with him and an apprentice is supposed to learn his trade by having intercourse with his master.” In addition, “guests are often entertained and sexually serviced by ‘dancing boys.’”149 Human Rights International reports Islamic warlords “routinely sexually molest young boys and film the orgies.”150 Girls’ genitals are considered so “poisonous” that “when she is five or so the women grab her, pin her down, and chop off her clitoris and often her labia with a razor blade and the area sewed up to prevent intercourse.” In many Islamic areas 90 percent of the women surveyed say they have genitally mutilated all of their daughters.151

>>2930847
The sources still lack primaries though. I'm still not inclined to believe.

Read the first death chronicles of england. They talk about how distraught parents were when they lost their children, so there was love. Times were different with more chores, but I don't think they were doing them 24/7.
Just imagine being young, running through a town or a little village with a gaggle of children your age, laughing, playing, fighting.
Then the town shrew comes and yells at you to stop being little heathens, and run away into the woods.
Then as the sun starts to set, go with your parents and everyone to finish work in the field, then stay upo around a fire in a one room hut until you all pass out.

That's moderate scenario.

>>2930938
>more chores
But much much less school. Children in the middle ages probably had as much or more free time as children today.

Until you're old enough to help in the fields anyways, then you work just as much as your dad.

>>2930858

http://psychohistory.com/books/the-origins-of-war-in-child-abuse/

Great thread, 10/10. This is what I like about this board.

Also, anybody have any recommended readings regarding the Greek and/or Roman attitudes towards little girls (within the context of the thread)?

>>2930893
Hold the fuck up, I smell bullshit
>sometimes removing all the skin from the penis,
How are they raping and why would they rape if the can feel no pleasure from it?

>>2930949

I dont know about you anon, but my skin grows back when cut.

>>2930949
1) Not everyone is that badly mutilated
2) rape doesn't have to involve a penis

>>2930948
>take a thread started by a pedophile
>turn it into a discussion about the lives of commoners in the middle ages
indeed

>>2930948

>Most children in antiquity would therefore have watched their mothers drown, suffocate and stab their siblings to death.23 Mothers often simply gave birth to their babies in the privy, smashed their heads in and treated the birth as an evacuation. Romans reported watching hundreds of mothers throwing their newborn into the Tiber every morning. So many infants were killed that even though mothers had eight or more babies the populations of antiquity regularly decreased. It is not surprising that the children who survived implanted terrifying Killer Mother alters in their amygdalan fear centers and then acted them out as adults in human sacrifice and war. Children playing in dung heaps, rivers and cess trenches would find hundreds of dead babies, “a prey for birds, food for wild beasts to rend” (Euripides).24 Those few exposed children who were rescued were raised as slaves or prostitutes. Physicians wrote works like Soranus’s “How to Recognize the Newborn that is Worth Rearing.”25 So many children were killed by their parents in early Greece and Rome that people were afraid their populations were declining, and passed laws limiting the infanticide of children of citizens, which, however, were rarely enforced. As Tertullian told Romans, “Although you are forbidden by the laws to slay new-born infants, it so happens that no laws are evaded with more impunity.”26

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>>2928848
Most were diddled by daddies who could diddle without consequence

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>>2930761
>someone is acknowledging that females had it bad

>better accuse them of F-f-f-feminism(!) and do my best to give a fuck whether they have a point or not

>I sure wish it was medieval times

>>2931077
Holy shit, I thought that was 100% Richard Stallman from the thumbnail.

>>2931086
Richard Stallman is the rightful ruler of the Iron Throne.

>>2930976
More like
>make a thread about children
>have it get hijacked by feminist

>>2930949
>why would they rape if the can feel no pleasure from it?
Because Africans believe that having sex with a virgin you will be cured of AIDS. They literally conceive children explicitly for the purpose of raping to death. Day-old babies can't handle enormous nigger cocks very well.
>tfw we actually send billions of dollars to feed these savages

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>>2929573
>pedophile cartoons
Sorry for hurting your feelings reddit, but this is 4chan

>>2929189
Question re. "The Middle Ages: Everyday Life in medieval Europe" book.

I'm looking at it on Amazon, and I'm looking at it and I can't quite tell what the "reading level" of it is. I assume you have it or have read it already. Is it a book geared towards younger audiences, or is it for older audiences, just generalized?

>>2931178
>if you're not a pedophile you're a feminist
retard

>>2931374
/his/ isn't the loli board, it is like posting my little pony on /diy/, you are a subhuman idiot as the facts prove

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18039544

>>2931390
Considering it was first wave feminists that created the age of consent in the first place and that nearly 90% of all men exhibit a measurable arousal response to children or adolescents (and 20-40% exhibit a stronger arousal response to children or adolescents compared to adults), I wouldn't say that's far from the truth. If you're not pro child love, you're either a feminist, gay (and in denial; homosexuality and boy love have near-complete overlap), or utterly cucked by the gays and feminists.

>>2931400
can you shut up idiot.
Age of consent is a western meme

>>2931780
Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/

>>2931785
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

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>>2930830
>a child at this age was probably lying swaddled and immobile, and often miserable and starving, fed opiates to quiet them, at the mercy of a wet-nurse often miles away from its mother.
>fed opiates to quiet them

Childhood as a concept didn't exist up until very recently. In pre-industrial rural societies children are primarily a resource, more children means more workforce that can provide to family. This of course often created a magic circle where you always had more mouths to feed but never enough food. But then again infant mortality was immense so the nature kinda took care of that,

Growing up for any child in pre-industrial society means that they will most likely learn all those skills necessary for managing their little microeconomy from their early age. Girls were often taught stuff like knitting so they could provide clothes both for their family and for selling on the market. From the age of 10 they would probably be given some simple tasks around the household, afterwards they worked like everyone else.

The marriage of girls was often an economic opportunity for her family, most parents didn't give a shit about her daughter's desires and just wanted to marry her rich. However social stratification was often merciless even in peasant areas, as richer households married between each other and poorer ones between poorer ones.

So if they didn't die in the early age it was mostly just hard work and toiling for the rest of their life. Unless of course they were upperclass.

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>>2931994
Wow, such toiling.

>>2932010
Yeah they partied all year doing fuck nothing, sure.

Ironically the guy whose painting you posted often depicts peasants working their asses in the fields.

>>2931994
>mostly just hard work and toiling for the rest of their life
What do you think people do now? I mean not dying of cholera is pretty nice, but do you really think the mountain of objects the modern man owns has improved his life at all?

>>2932052
>but do you really think the mountain of objects the modern man owns has improved his life at all?
Yes?

>>2932052
Its a mixed basket. I hate the power this boxes with wires has over me, but addiction is a bitch.

>>2932086

Amen

>>2930810
Islam is an Abrahamic religon. They included Islam when they referenced Adam and Eve. But I agree, Confucian China treated women worse than the west did.

>>2929203
>>2929212
>>2929215
>>2929215
>>2929222
i havent been to /his/ in a while but you faggots are the most reddit board on 4chan

>>2929573
(((you)))

>>2930235
I'm trying to guess if you're a blue haired feminist or a /pol/cuck. The answer is probably that you're reddit.

>>2930644

It ought to be pointed out that the average age in the U.S. is lower due to Black girls hitting menarche significantly earlier then White girls.

Demographics needs to be factored in as for example, Canada has a longer average life expectancy than the U.S. due to the much larger percentage of Asians in the country.

>>2931994

> The marriage of girls was often an economic opportunity for her family, most parents didn't give a shit about her daughter's desires and just wanted to marry her rich.

Most girls went to the alter already pregnant, after a roll in the hay with a local boy on a market day.

The idea that girls back then were sequestered away and strictly monitored by their parents until the day of marriage is a myth.

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>>2930967
>2) rape doesn't have to involve a penis

hot

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>>2932028
>Ironically the guy whose painting you posted often depicts peasants working their asses in the fields.

Sure, peasants would bust their asses 12+ hours a day during planting or harvesting time but that was only a for a couple of weeks while during the rest of the year, work was a casual thing with plenty of breaks throughout the day.

They weren't punching a time clock like we do today, with strict schedules and very limited breaks.

>>2930242
>town with population ~5000 of which half the population was practicing some heretic form of Christianity and was from French speaking

>>2933025
In general the commonfolk didn't marry early, rich people did.

>>2928848
make bread and make sure your little hut is tidy with your mom until you're 12 years old.
Then other villagers will get together and decide who you're going to marry, and you marry that man and help him run his farm for the rest of your life and hopefully have lots of children in the hope that at least a few survive. Hopefully boys.
OR
You go out shopping or flower picking or something and get raped and murdered by peasants

>>2932995
Race isn't a good explanation on its own because >>2930413 would imply that black girls should reach puberty later. There's probably a socioeconomic cause that's correlated with race.

>>2929810
>12
Not even close
Try 8 or 9

>>2930403
>War
>War never changes

inb4 Snake

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>>2928848
Much better than it is today.

>>2933015
People in farms work a lot nowadays. What makes you think back then was easier?

>>2933585
>People in farms work a lot nowadays.
People in farms today work whenever they feel like it. You've obviously never been to a farm.

>>2933585
Farm work is just different. Essentially you reap what you sow. You can put the extra work in or not and the only thing effected would be your yield at the local market.

Remember that too much abundance is just as bad for a farmer than too little because it drives the price of their crops down. You don't want excellent harvest every single year just like you don't want famine every year.

>>2932982
Underrated post.

>>2929527
Not rare, just difficult. Especially when it's dark out.

>>2932052
>but do you really think the mountain of objects the modern man owns has improved his life at all?
Of course not. If anything man reaches the places he was before by deliberately avoiding the rampant materialism of today after realizing how unfulfilling it is.

>>2932028
No shit. They worked and the rested. They played and they were busy. Like normal fucking humans. It wasn't so bad like you try to pretend it was.

>>2934055

>>2934055

You're very wrong. People in those days couldnt just go and buy a lot of things (except rich people). They had to make them themselves. Like specialized farming tools, furniture, cheese, food preserves, etc.
Also everythng was much more inefficient than today. Carpentry had no electrical tools with diamond sawblades. No farming machines, or any machine but the local mill. Also housekeeping: no microwave, no laundrymachine, no blender, no dishwasher, etc. No plumbing water in the house, you had to go to the river/well/lake and get some in buckets.

>>2934648
>What are towns
>What are free cities
Kill yourself. Also the amount of time people spent doing labor like cleaning has gone up since the invention of those devices so please kill yourself as you know nothing.

>>2930449
>That means that a small but significant number of 18 year old girls would still be prepubescent

That's absolute fucking bullshit and you're conflating not ""100%"" developed (which is hard to define anyway, but even so practically anyone without a medical condition is fully physically developed by 18, aside from small incremental muscle gains in men) with "prepubescent". Anyhow no "small but significant" portion of 18 year old girls would be prepubescent, not even slightly. Not ever.

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>>2934658
>>2934658
>Also the amount of time people spent doing labor like cleaning has gone up since the invention of those devices
Do you have a single fact to back up this intriguing theory?

>>2934688
>Do you have a single fact to back up this intriguing theory?
My history of technology class in college senpai. You should try going sometime.

>>2933194
How does my post imply black girls as a RACE should reach puberty later when the factors I spoke of were all environmental you fool! Are all black girls living in African tribes? Even in Africa? NO! Are all the diets of these black girls the same as some of these African tribes? NO!

>>2934756
>That's absolute fucking bullshit and you're conflating not ""100%"" developed (which is hard to define anyway, but even so practically anyone without a medical condition is fully physically developed by 18, aside from small incremental muscle gains in men) with "prepubescent". Anyhow no "small but significant" portion of 18 year old girls would be prepubescent, not even slightly. Not ever.
That's what femeshits and lefty revisionist historians do. They take some inference or "fact" and twist it into unrecognizable bullshit to fit their agenda.

>>2934757
Meant for >>2934670

>>2931772
>90% of men experience arousal to children or adolescence.
Speak for yourself, faggot. Besides, I thought hebephilia was apparently different from pedophilia?

>>2934055
Farm work isn't just reaping and sowing. There's bunch of work to be done across the whole year, depending on how extensive your farm is and how many helping hands you got. Animals need to be fed constantly, their shit needs constantly to be removed. Something always needs to be fixed, whether it be barn roof or tools. Water needs to be fetched from the nearby well or river all the time. Grain needs to be processed in the nearby mill, and since we''re talking about feudal age you do not own the mill, your liege does and you usually have to pay him with the portion of the flour you get from the mill. Fucking wood needs to be chopped or you freeze to death. etc etc.

>>2931015
I find this hard to believe, source me

>>2934728
Do tell, i'd love to hear how broom is more efficient than a vacuum cleaner.

>>2930847
>>2931015
You see this is the shit I'm talking about and why I don't care for psychology and these sources in the first place. How would they know whether the amygdalas of the children would be shrunken? They have no real way of testing this or even knowing. They only used conjecture.

>>2931248
>SOME Africans and this ignorant belief can be found in some other small tribes or cultures in the SE Asia as well, including the Philippines.

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>>2934777
>Be farmer
>wake up early
>Do shit that needs to be done
>Spend the rest of your day doing whatever you want
Pretty much how it went. You can deny it all you want.

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>>2930449
>from small increment
Wtf are you talking about. Sure the average was probably around 13-14 but 16? Not even girls in some African tribes had it that late on average. It was like 14.5 or 15.
Medieval women with their lack of diet high enough in proteins balanced with other nurtiets coupled with the stressors( weather, sickness, mental, and physical) would make it a bit later.

Our bodies are not absolute in their physiology and gene expression, it varies with our environment often. It the body sees that environment is too chaotic to support a baby safely, it will delay or decrease reproductive functions until further notice.

>>2934812
No one denies they rested you literal imbecile. The point is that farming is not just "put seed in ground, wait, reap whatever comes out." There are a LOT of prerequisites for that to happen, it's a big, boring, tedious set of tasks that all need to be done in order for you to have your bread on the table. If you even fail or neglect one task in this set the whole thing goes to shit immediately and you're fucked for a whole year.

I know most people here are delusional city kids who never lifted anything heavier than a spoon but come on.

>>2934771
>I thought hebephilia was apparently different from pedophilia?
It is. I guarantee 100% of women experience arousal by children or adolescence. Also women are the "rape and bestiality are number one sexual fantasy's" gender. Which is sick.

>>2934848
>If you even fail or neglect one task in this set the whole thing goes to shit immediately and you're fucked for a whole year.
Wrong. You work at your own pace and if you forget something you need can correct it.

>>2934874
There's no forgetting in farming and you can't have your own pace when you're constantly confronted by nature's course like seasons and weather, not even mentioning human factors like lack of workforce on the farm (one of the basic reasons why poor peasant families constantly popped out new children), material hardships, lack of tools, etc.

You have no idea what you're talking about, please stop.

>>2934907
>1/3rd of days of the year holidays where you don't work
>Plus the Sabbath
>"""gotta work every single day"""
And you tell me to stop talking?

>>2934914
You obviously pick up your info from /pol/ meme images, there's no point proving anything to you.

>>2933585
Dont forget that the Head of the Family was given the strip of land to work on. These demesnes wouldn't be huge, so
the entire family could work on it with ease, and often neighbors would help each other out.
>>2934047
This

>>2934777
As someone who lived with his grandma who owned a farm that would've been the size of a demesne, I really think you are overdramatizing it. Wake up early, feed chickens and let them out, then weed the field. That would take two hours if you kept doing it everyday.
Now, things are a bit different planting a new field, since we had to fix our hand plow so I had to push the fucking thing, which would take all morning and all evening when I resumed later.
So I'm not saying they're lives were easy, but you're overdramatizing. We have distractions, they had work, but it wasnt like they followed a strict schedule. You forget that they had neighbors, most of which were happy to help and knew what they were doing.
Something hard was quick and everyday most of the time, but such things didn't happen most of the time.
>>2934907
Yeah you don't really understand what your talking about either. Not everyday was harvest, and you did work at your own pace.
You had saints days and the clergy had your back.

>>2934869
>women are the "rape and bestiality are number one sexual fantasy's" gender.
Now anon, you are going to have provide some serious sources to support that claim because that sounds like complete b.s.

>>2934953
I just explained how not everything you do on a farm is harvest.

Again, you can't work on your own pace when your animals are hungry, their shit is everywhere, the roof is falling off and there's no wood. You just can't. Your work and your life is dictated by so many factors that can rarely be adressed later and not immediately.

>>2935017
>your real experience doesn't matter just my theoretical understanding of how it should work!
Wew

>>2928848
Nasty, brutish and short.

>>2928869
kek

>>2929141
We need a Harvest Moon game about loli ranching.

>>2929199
>>2929203
Jokes on you, Beck argues (successfully) that we're actually living in a "late feudalism" era.

>>2930686
>psychoanalysts
Is it psychohistory again? Into the trash it goes

>>2931400
>Sexual interest in children was assessed by participants' admissions of pedophilic interest, histories of committing sexual offenses against children

>criminals have less white matter than non criminals
whoah who could have thought

>>2935017
So, according to you,
The medieval peasant was so incapable of the simplest things that they had done for generations that they had nothing, yet had everything to do?

>"I bet they were just *so* overwhelmed. They NEVER got used to work they had done for centuries, *sigh* I just don't know how they'd do it. I guess basic human function is a modern thing."

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>>2929573

>>2939430
moot is a traitor and a main reason why 4chan turned to shit in the first place.

>>2935314
>Beck
The musician?

>>2929141
Isn't this essentially what happens in Game of Thrones at Craster's Keep?

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>>2939441
He is the only reason the site existed in the first place you fucking mongoloid.
Traitor? He spent half his fucking life keeping this cesspool of a website floating, which was a thankless task to begin with.
>4chan turned to shit
4chan was always shit, how new are you?

>little girl
The concept of childhood didn't exist until the Victorian era. So a "little girl" would act more or the less the same as her mother, only she wouldn't have been child rearing.

>>2939734
I feel like that's an oversimplification.
I think it was more of, they didn't know what to do with kids. Like there were too small to be functional as adults, yet too naive to be useful intellectually and are more easily distracted.

>>2930644
so the age of consent goes up but the age of menarche is going down? what?

>>2932100
Why is reddit bad? Because it's a meme to hate it on 4chan? I remember a time when memes were jokes and not an ideology.

>>2929189
>It's safe to say that life was better during the High Middle Ages (1000-13000) than in the eras before
>or after.

Really? I'd say the situation has been improving steadily since time began, bar the occassonal backward step. Certainly the Enlightenment era, with its development of the idea that "childhood" is a thing and that children aren't just little adults would be much better for the children born in it than any point during the middle ages.

>>2940552

What what? Why should menarche be the age of consent? It's well-known that among human females physical maturity comes before mental maturity, and the opposite in boys. Or do you think the age of consent for men should be their late 20's when they've finished developing physically and sexually?

>>2939441
>turned to

You need to go back.

>>2934971
Don't you fucking start this. We've made it this far.

>>2930196
What is the significance of this image

>>2930644
That's interesting. In most of Europe, hormone use in meat factories is illegal, as opposed to the U.S.

That would explain the later onset of puberty compared to the U.S.

>>2941095
i don't think the two should be synced, but it seemed strange that they would be inversely related

though i see now that each change actually has its own reasons and the two are unrelated

>>2933015
>Sure, peasants would bust their asses 12+ hours a day during planting or harvesting time but that was only a for a couple of weeks while during the rest of the year, work was a casual thing with plenty of breaks throughout the day.
Ayy lmao.
It's backbreaking labour, lol.

t. someone which plants vegetables and has an orchard, coming from a long line of peasants.

>>2934907
>There's no forgetting in farming and you can't have your own pace when you're constantly confronted by nature's course like seasons and weather
Don't forget "i absolutely need to harvest a large chunk of this stuff now, or ill be lag behind, and by the time ill reach the end, my food will start rotting in the field"

>>2928848
>be little girl
>don't die aged 2 like most infants do
>be married offto a stranger at the age of 7 to strengthen the bonds with another village
>pop out 11 children and die

>>2934488
This, they also had a fuck ton of religious and non-religious celebrations throughout the year.

>>2942629
>don't die aged 2 like most infants do

Where does this meme come from? Only 30-50% of the infants died.

>>2928848
>>>2942629
>>don't die aged 2 like most infants do
>
>Where does this meme come from? Only 30-50% of the infants died.

You just explained it

>>2942670

>only

>>2928848
you just want to get to the fun stuff, don't ya?

on an academic note, read Centuries of Childhood by Philippe Aries, you'll get a good idea.

>>2931381
>Is it a book geared towards younger audiences, or is it for older audiences, just generalized?
how young are you?

"Young Fucking Adult Fiction" young, or just retarded young?

it's called study, get with the programme and start growing up.

>tfw Youth is wasted on the young.

>>2942694
Make me chuckle

>>2934670
>you're conflating not ""100%"" developed with "prepubescent".
No, I'm conflating menarche with the onset of puberty, which is the traditional measure in girls. Puberty is actually occurring far earlier in boys, as well. The median age of choirboys' voice breaking is now 13.25, where 400 years ago it was 17.5. Pick any single stage of pubertal development, and you will see that it is typically occurring 4-5 years earlier than it had historically.
>no "small but significant" portion of 18 year old girls would be prepubescent, not even slightly. Not ever.
You're confusing "now" with "ever." Unless you've actually done a significant amount of research on childhood and physical development in history, you're not qualified to make that call. If you have, I'd appreciate some citations, or at least resources that present a similar view to yours.

>>2934749
I guess I'm just not sure why you'd say "black girls" and not "poor girls" if the only reason black girls reach puberty earlier is because of the correlation between race and poverty. Or was there another factor that you believe causes the correlation between race and onset of puberty? I'm genuinely curious.

>>2934771
You might be a preferential pedophile and not even know it.
>Because of the heavy social stigma attached to pedophilia (Jahnke et al., 2013), people in surveys often hide their sexual interest in prepubescents and pubescents. In a recently published study, 99.1% of 305 male students from Canada claimed to be not even slightly sexually aroused by pubescents 12 to 14 years old (Dawson et al., 2014). This would appear to be highly inaccurate.
>In some published phallometric studies approximately 20-30% of a community sample of normal men exhibited sexual arousal to child stimuli greater than or equal to sexual arousal to adult stimuli (Firestone et al., 2000; Freund et al., 1991a).

test

>>2941040
>Why is reddit bad?

The fact that you even have to ask this question means you don't belong here

>>2943160
what the fuck? Are you dumb? Compare life of an African tribe woman with life in the United states currently for any race of girls weather poor or not. The closest thing was how peasants lived (and yes ileven i admitted wasnt exact).
obviously it's not the same conditions within the entire black race across the world so period onset will vary.It was never about race. It's based on environment. I don't even understand how you got to the previous conclsuion.
Btw, for the record, not all people living in Africa are in hunter gather tribes like the one I was referencing. Alot
of African countries are small towns or citylike. I'm just putting that out there because I know you're ignorant enough to think that.

>>2942629
>married,off to stranger at the age of 7
Now anon, you know this is not correct. you were doing so well too.

>>2944192
Sorry, I think we're talking about different things. I just realized that I linked the wrong post at one point, maybe that's the problem? The original post I've been responding to is >>2932982.
>It ought to be pointed out that the average age in the U.S. is lower due to Black girls hitting menarche significantly earlier then White girls.

>>2943160
>study is on adolescence
>generalizes it to prepubescent children.
I have no doubts that men are getting at least a bit aroused by adolescent girls who are halfway past physical development(especially depending on genetics). That doesn't mean it's preferential. It is a generalized sexual attraction to adult features.

>>2943160
That doesn't make any sense.
If 30%+ of men are secretly pedophiles, then why is it pedophilia is so taboo?
Homosexuality and Transexuality is far less taboo, and Tran-sexuality doesn't even have the excuse of only being for consenting adults.

>>2944240
oh I see, yeah. I think I first started arguing with that idiot too. my bad.

>>2944242
Those studies compared arousal by child stimuli with arousal by adult stimuli. The Firestone study required a stronger arousal response to child stimuli (under 11 years) than to adults (early to mid 20s), while Freund required equal or greater arousal to child stimuli (5-13 years) than to adults (no data given).

I don't see how you can interpret "stronger arousal response to 11 year old girls than to 25 year old women" as anything other than preferential pedophilia, or particularly as a "generalized sexual attraction to adult features."

>>2929212
>Picks on autists with cringe reaction image
>S-stop picking on me.

Ok

>>2930168
If you just diddled a child to sate your lust the male relatives would stab you to death or hang you.

>>2944356
What were the percentages in just the Firestone study?

>>2944245
I wouldn't call it "secret" so much as "latent" or "repressed." Just because someone is more attracted to children doesn't mean they aren't attracted to adults. Thanks to the age-segregation of modern society, most adult men never find themselves in a situation where they see and talk to children (to whom the incest taboo doesn't apply, at least) as individuals, rather than statistics.

Add to that the fact that the popular image of pedophiles as psychopathic baby-rapers is incompatible with genuine pedophilic feelings of love and affection, and it's no wonder that practically no one self-identifies as being minor attracted, and the virulence of the stigma against minor attracted people means that even fewer would voluntarily admit it. It's actually been suggested that these studies are confounded by a selection bias against self-identified MAPs, who are worried about being outed.

Also, there's a lot of political interaction between the LGBT movement that ended with NAMbLA getting thrown under the bus in the 80s. I can give you a synopsis if you're interested.

>>2944417
27.7%

>>2934786
>Do tell, i'd love to hear how broom is more efficient than a vacuum cleaner.
Brooms dont get full and don't have a limited action radius. They also help you exercise.

>>2944216
Welllll.i could have raised it to 11 if I wanted to be more accurate.

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>>2943160
>>2929825
>>2930168
>>2930208
>>2930399
>>2931994
>>2932995
>>2942629


supprised to find so little pedophiles in this thread

marriage age in early modern europe
was almost the same as today

>>2944454
found the pedophile

>>2944480
I'm finding that chart difficult to believe.
Older women yield autism riddled children today, why was that not happening in the past?

>>2941040
It's the opposite of 4chan in many ways. That's why most people here hate it.

>>2944480
Sorry, remind me what the relationship is between age of first sexual experience and age of marriage? Inb4:
>Medieval peasants were hyper religious and would never ever have sex outside of wedlock!

>>2944520
If you had a point to make, I'm afraid I missed it.

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>>2929573
>so is posting anime allowed on this anime & manga website now

>>2941040
Reddit is bad because it's philosphy is antithetical to 4chan culture
>Forced usernames
>Forced user history
People start to judge posts not based on the content of the post, but from the user who posted it. You see this shit on every kind of forum, where some dumb cunt who has several thousand posts for some god awful reason has his own personal defense force posts something stupid and doesn't get called out on it or worse, gets called out on it and even if the criticism is legitimate the second party gets banned for daring to go against the "popular" person.
>Mod censorship
>Community censorship ( not the good kind used on 4chan by simply ignoring what you don't like so the thread dies faster, but downvoting so it's actively hidden from neutral parties )

>>2930316
>>2930325
girls nowadays go through puberty much earlier than they did historically. i dont think its been proven but i definitely think its related to the whole "estrogen in all our drinking water" thing

>>2930674
>>2930686
>>2930707
>>2930736
Your lack of understanding around marriage is astounding.

Marriage has been for the vast majority of human history a legal bond, made for the purpose of having more children. Up until a couple hundred or so years ago, you didb't go on dates. You didn't meet the person beforehand and get to know them. When you were around the right age, your parents found you a partner that would benefit you and you married them. Love did not come involved until long after you were married.

The other anon that said this is gynocentric was spot-on. A great example of lauding the terrible sufferings of women while either glossing over or completely ignoring the male. I don't say this often and in fact I usually shit on others for saying it, but fuck off back to tumblr.

>>2944589
I would say that hormones in our meat products and cows is more likely than "le estrogen in our water" meme. That would also explain why men are going into puberty early too. I think for the girls, too though, the lack of physical activity in this modern is a thing. Even for the average girl.

>>2934977
>previous research into the subject has found between 31 and 62% of women have rape fantasies.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/1511322

>>2944623
>The other anon that said this is gynocentric was spot-on.
It was actually psychoanalysis of children and violence in the past. apparently that chapter just focused on little girls. Still, historical psychoanalysis is inaccurate as fuck since it is post hoc at this point. The lack of primary sources for that entire site also bugs me.

>>2944470
Not really that accurate lol. I'd say betrothed at that age is more likely then married around 13-14.

>>2944636
It's not a meme. Some of the most common plastics used in bottled eater and food containers (the big one is called BPA) are xenoestrogens that have a clear effect on those who consume them.

>>2944569
they might have had their first sexual experience at an earlier age, but that was still 15/16 and with boys of roughly the same age , though that's pure speculation out of lack of sources

sorry to break it to yah but you have a mental condition, pedophelia is not and never was normal

>>2944534
>"older women"
> litterary 23 at the height of their fertillity

>>2930674
wow, i think i'm gonna use this in my class as an example of a non credible source and the dangers they posses

>>2929573
What are you autistic?

>>2944644
Rape =/= aggressive sex and I am sick and tired of autists and mra supporters mixing this up.
Rape is ONLY nonconsexual sex: be the person drunk and unable to properly consent, unconscious, or forced against their WILL! If the person wants it in anyway, it is NOT RAPE. If the person does not want it in anyway or not able to consent to the sex before it starts, then it is rape. Get it? Understand? I don't care if your have your gf have phone sex with you telling you to "rape her " later. The simple fact she told you to do it means it is not rape. The simple fact you would like to be "raped" by [insert 10/10 woman here] or whatever the fuck, is not rape by the fact that you want it. Really, it's an oxymoron for one to say "I want her/him to rape me so bad." You want it so it is just aggressive/forceful SEX.

>>2941040
The main thing I don't like about it is the upvote system.

>>2944737
-which would be fine if used correctly

>>2944669
Well it's a good thing there is a huge movement to make AND LABEL bottles as BPA free.
If people don't know what BPA is specifically, it is their responsibility to look it up. It's simple with the existence of google. What, do you want the government to standardized that every biology or health class starting in grade schools teach about BPA?
If you're a libertarian or conservative from /pol/ this will actually be hilarious btw.

>>2944681
15 or 16 in the middle ages corresponds to the same stage of development as 10 or 11 today. See: >>2930644. Additionally, children would have seen sex very often due to having much smaller houses and larger families than we have to today, not to mention seeing animals procreate. Children would probably even have been involved in breeding animals as part of the family business. In modern demographics with similar living conditions, it's not uncommon for children as young as 4 and 5 to engage in simulated intercourse.

And I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not mentally ill. The American Psychiatric Association no longer recognizes pedophilia as a mental illness. "Pedophilic disorder" is listed in the DSM-V, but it would require severe distress as a result of my attraction, and I am not distressed. There's even a substantial number of experts in the field who want pedophilic disorder to be removed from the DSM in light of the fact that scientific research disproves the idea that unnatural or maladaptive, as well as the idea that sexual activity is inherently harmful to children.

>>2944751
>Well it's a good thing there is a huge movement to make AND LABEL bottles as BPA free.
Not that it matters, since BPA isn't even the most common xenoestrogen. Even BPA-free plastics leech xenoestrogens, not to mention soy. I wouldn't suggest exogenous hormones as the primary cause of accelerated childhood development though, considering it's a trend that has been fairly consistent for far longer than plastics or soy-based foods have been commonplace.

>>2944724
Wanting to have sex with someone doesn't constitute consent, anon. Neither does enjoying it. There's a lot of gray area in what constitutes consent in situations where "no" may or may not mean "no," and I agree with you to the extent that I believe most people who claim to have rape fantasies in fact just have rough sex fantasies, but it's entirely possible to fantasize about actually being raped, and I think it's likely that there's a nonzero population of people that actually do.

>>2944880
>childhood development though,
Again, this still all fails to explain why males are going into puberty earlier too. Hence I will go with the growth hormones in meat explanation way before I go with xenoestrogens...I'm not even sure you understand the biochemistry of them in the body.
btw, reminder that in the body, testosterone is converted irreversibly to estrogen by the enzyme aromatase in a feed back loop. A rise in estrogen in the body would likely down regulate that reaction. The

>>2944956
the main reason puberty is occuring earlier is because of children's wieght. body fat causes the production of the hormone that begins puberty. it's no coincidence that demographics that have higher childhood obesity, such as blacks and latinos, begin puberty earlier. in the past puberty occurred later because they were malnurished relative to today

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245513

>>2944956
I think you missed my point; we're actually on the same side here. I attribute the effect to increased nutrition and more sedentary lifestyles. I also believe that the advent of the nuclear family (as opposed to the historically far more common extended family) contributes as well.

>>2944918
>wanting to generally have sex with someone does not constitute to consent
How? It is giving your consent. It is the literal definition: "I want this to happen."
If this is clearly indicated then the sex is not rape. If it is not, then it is rape.

I believe fantasies about actual rape(not rough sex with a dude I find hot) are exceedingly rare in women and definitely nowhere near contributing to most of that 60%. And I feel the same could be said of men if they had similar numbers.
All this study can be used to do is perhaps challenge the idea that consent can be rescinded in some cases indefinitely.
Or that if you want to please your female partner the most, perhaps you should consider aggressive sex/ foreplay 60% of the time.

>>2945015
If consent was perfectly synonymous with desire or lust, why would we need the word? The fact is that there are many reasons why one might want to have sex with someone, but refuse anyway.

But yes, I also agree that genuine rape fantasies are very rare in women. The reason it comes up so much, in my opinion, is due to two factors: an evolutionary preference for dominant males, and a social expectation of extremely discriminating selection of partners. A large part of the reason that women fantasize about rape is because of the way it shifts culpability to the rapist and allows the woman to have the sexual experience she desires without the blame or guilt that would be caused by the encounter.

This is why actual experiences of rape (most of which aren't actually particularly violent) are so traumatic and distressing for women: it's the exact opposite of that "rape" fantasy. Instead of guilt-free sex with a man that she wanted to have sex with, it's guilty sex with a man she may not have actually wanted to have sex with (despite most likely having been on a date with him when it happened, according to the statistics). Most often, rape victims are worried about the social repercussions following the rape, worried that no one will believe she was unwilling, and feel guilty about not doing enough to stop it. These are the exact feelings that the typical rape fantasy is about avoiding.

>>2939482
it was better before he sold out to the charlatans and scriptlords

>>2945219
Reminder that women are more likely to be raped by quarterback Chad or Jamal at a party than by some socially awkward autist.

>>2933319
War as changed

>>2929810
She's like 7 lmao

>>2930168
No, but it didn't happen too often. Only nobility usually married before 20, so most women would only have sex at a young age if they were a prostitute or the mistress of a wealthier man.

>>2945287
Because the airbase was too much of a cancer even for him.
At that point in his life he has better shit to do.

>>2941081
>Certainly the Enlightenment era, with its development of the idea that "childhood" is a thing and that children aren't just little adults would be much better for the children born in it than any point during the middle ages
Except that's completely assbackwards and wrong. Children would be far better off if they were treated as real people (read: adults) and not like useless retards (the way adults treat children).

>>2930711
I think it literally is feminist propaganda, but that doesn't mean the claims therein are inaccurate

>>2945323
>People only ever have sex after getting married
Sure, in the 18th century, when there was massive indoctrination against childhood sexuality to the point that there was a crisis because so many young couples couldn't figure out how to have sex. Preindustrial societies aren't able to isolate children from sex, though.

>>2945345
>Preindustrial societies aren't able to isolate children from sex, though.
Why would they even want to? Only a creature as prudish and repressed as the Anglo would conduct itself in such a mannter.

>>2944724
>This was the scenario: a male acquaintance is strongly attracted to the female character. He expresses a yearning for sex with her, but she’s clearly unresponsive. He attempts without success to convince her. When she continues to openly refuse, he overpowers and rapes her.

Read the fucking source given before bitching about it, you fucking feminist dyke cunt

>>2945314
Yeah. And the worst part is, guess who she reslects more and hangs around more?

Women before they become mothers are absolutely terrible cuntbags. I've tried dating all different kinds but deep down, the vast majority of them are just narcissistic simple-minded shells of a person. I guess becoming a mother and realizing their purpose in life sets them straight.

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this is now a /his/ loli thread

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katyusha is CUTE

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>>2945806

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>>2945837
karen-dess is cute, but not a loli

>>2945837
/pol/ just got BTFO

>>2945219
I never said it was synonymous with desire, let alone lust. I imply said willing or wanting to to do that.
And since when does a word have to be completely synonymous with something to be valid as a concept? Synonyms are simply another way of saying the same thing anyway. There is no need for the word itself except for the fact that is a more official/concise term. We could easily say "wanting without a doubt in their mind to have sex" with someone but that is more convoluted way to say it.

Isn't the "guilt" idea falling out of favor in literature? The article itself referenced it and disproved it.

>>2939482
>He is the only reason the site existed in the first place you fucking mongoloid.
Exactly, no one else has more of the blame for 4chan being a pile of shit.

>>2947840
>and disproved it.
Not even close. The source may have, but the full text is paywalled.

>>2945732
I read the source, faggot and me and that anon were having a civil conversation so you can just step out and take your insults elsewhere >>>/pol/

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>>2944724
>Rape is ONLY nonconsexual sex: be the person drunk and unable to properly consent, unconscious, or forced against their WILL!
By that definition it is impossible to fantasize about being raped, because the moment you feel the desire to be raped it is no longer rape because it's not against your will at all.

depends on class/location/attractiveness/intelligence

>>2944724
Being drunk does not nullify consent, stop perpetuating this myth

>>2949104
>desire=/=will
Actually yes, you hairsplitting mong. Will does not imply that I will go through with it, just that I want it. How to you have sex with someone against their will but in-accordance with their desire? Like, if I fantasize about being raped, but don't follow act accordingly because I know it's irrational and then I actually do get raped and I end up linking it because it is my fetish it wasn't against my concent. If I hate it, it would prove me prior concerns right, meaning that my desire was irrational in the first place as it turns out I actually wanted something else but accidentally conflated it with rape.

>>2949012
By your logic I can't fantasize about lesbians because I'm a guy.
The "you" being raped doesn't need to be aroused just because YOU are.

>>2949273
Most excellent argument my good dude.

>>2949012
But that's the thing, They are not fantsizing about being raped( at least not most women). They are fantasizing about forceful/ rough sex with a hot guy/person they want to fuck.
Rough sex=/=rape.
Rape is solely against someone's will. they don't want it.
In the few cases where a person IS fantasizing about rape, it's likely with again, a desirable person. Fantasy =/= real life anyway. If a person they don't want to have sex with were to have a sex with them against their will it would be rape. You are thinking about it way to hard/meta.

>>2949025
if the person is not fully able to consent with their senses fully intact then yes it can be. They may feel violated when they come to their senses. Besides, sometimes, guys in particular, will take silence or lack of protest for consent, which is wrong.
think about it this way. Would you trust a drunk person to testify for you in court? To keep an eye on something for you? To make a life threatening decision? If you wouldn't trust their judgement or their words in those cases, why trust their words when it comes to sex?
The answer is obvious. You just want an excuse for easy sex without regard for the well being of others. You or anyone else cannot do that however.

>>2950085
If you say a drunk person cannot consent to sex, then selling something to a drunk person is thievery, because they cannot consent to the trade.
Drunk people who actively choose to drink are 100% responsible for decisions they make while drunk, this counts for crimes they commit, and also consent.

Also, if a boy and a girl drink their asses off together and then fuck, is it mutual rape, or just the boy raping because only males can be expected to be responsible drinkers?

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>>2930248
>coming to post on 4chan
>complaining about anime

>>2950471
>Also, if a boy and a girl drink their asses off together and then fuck, is it mutual rape, or just the boy raping because only males can be expected to be responsible drinkers?
No one is assuming anything and it's all about someone taking advantage.
If neither were sober enough to know what the hell is going on, then no one took advantage of anyone. This is not so common though since rarely are two people simultaneously THAT fucked able to have properly have sex, generally speaking. Seems sloppy.

We are not talking about drunks crimes though. We are talking about one person being within their senses using the opportunity to sleep with someone not totally into their senses, making the drunk a victim since it can have negative effects on the drunk person.
> then selling something to a drunk person is thievery, because they cannot consent to the trade.
If one was bamboozled from a significant amount of money and could prove the person targeted him/her because one was drunk, I'm sure an argument could be made in court.
Besides, my point with those scenarios was taking their word for it. You know in those situations, a drunk person's word cannot be take seriously to make crucial decisions, so how can you trust their words that they are truly ready and willing to have sex with you?

>>2950688
Even someone deliberately takes advantage of another's drunkenness to get them too agree to sex with them, it's still absolutely not rape.
Of course this is assuming the drunk person actively goes along with it, and is not in some kind of drunken stupor.

>>2950962
Drunken stupor or not, their judgement is impair dampening the validity of their will to have sex with you. lack of total consent=rape.
You will you trust a drunk person to testify in court or to make decisions about their care in the hospital or a life or death situation?

>>2929189
>t's safe to say that life was better during the High Middle Ages (1000-13000) than in the eras before or after.

what happened that made life get worse?

>>2950962
>Of course this is assuming the drunk person is not drunk
???

>>2942740
Great comment.

>>2950994
I wouldn't trust a drunk person to testify, but if a person decides to testify drunk, they can do it.
Either way it's different, sexual consent isn't like a legal contract, it's a social act that happens without following formality like that.
The person's judgement may be slightly altered, but she knowingly consumed alcohol.

In the case of two drunk people having sex, how do you even gauge who's taking advantage of who? Maybe the person who had the intent before drinking, but how could he possibly know the other person didn't feel the same?

To be fair i do think it's wrong to take advantage of someone being drunk to get them to do something they otherwise wouldn't and will regret later. But it's not rape.

>>2951018
There is a difference, and sometimes people equate having sex with barely conscious people who can't resist (which is rape) to having sex with drunk people who agree and play along with it.

>>2945806
Post Tanya

>>2951185
There's a difference between rape and rape?

>>2950994
>lack of total consent = rape

This dogma was originated in tumblr and now people take it like if it's writen in stone.
Consent is consent no matter how drunk you are. You have the same responsibility if you ran over a person with your car if you are drunk than if you are not.

People have been having sex while drunk since always. What do you propose exactly? That people wear a chastity belt when they hang out at night?
You lie to yourself if you think you do things while drunk you actually don't want to do. Drinking doesn't transform you into a retard. And if it does, you shouldn't drink.
You would need to be so passed out to not even be able to say "no" that it's not even the thing we are talking about. We talk about being drunk, not about being semi unconscious.
It's all about having sex and being able to play the consent card if you regret it the day after. Again, if you are this immature you shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

If you think alcohol makes YOU uncapable of consenting then don't drink, it's not other people's fault you apparently stop being an adult when you drink. Other people don't have this problem so don't try to impose your dogmas abour consent to the rest of us, mkay?

What the FUCK does this have to do with the topic of the thread tho?

>>2944880
> openly admits being a pedo

how does it feel that every father in the world would pay money to bash your deluded brains in?

>>2944880
>as well as the idea that sexual activity is inherently harmful to children

Pedophiles actually believe this, kys

>>2945806
MODS

>>2952535
You're a fucking idiot.

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>>2952542

>>2952612
not all 4chan is /b/

>>2952597
Why? It's true.

>>2952620
No, it's not.

>>2952622
>Implying someone who has a daughter would not inherrently hate a sick pervert who is attracted to little children

glad you have found your safe space, now take it back to another board

>>2952636
Fucking idiot.

>>2952638
yeah it's harsh i know

>>2952618
>only /b/ likes anime on 4chan
At least say /a/ if you're going down that route.