How would an Ancap society organize national security?

>>2925794
Independent voluntarily funded militia.

>>2925801
what about tanks, jets, warships, nukes?

it wouldn't

>>2925822

All unnecessary.

>>2925848

So what happens when an ancap nation gets invaded by a non ancap nation that has tanks, jets, and ships?

>>2925822
those cost way too much to produce. you'd need a state to subsidize funding for those things. no private organization would be willing to invest that much in things like that with such questionable worth. it'd be cheaper to hire grunts as your soldiers or use drones

>>2925874
Then you'd just use diplomacy. No need to fight people, just trade.

>>2925889

What if that nation isn't interested in your money, but is interested in your lebensraum.

>>2925822
The independent voluntary funded militia will buy them with the money they will receive from voluntary donors who will freely, without any constraint violating the NAP agree to give to the Independent Voluntary funded Militia because they don't want third party independent gangs of thugs to kill them.

>>2925896
They you pay a yearly fee to that country and let them place cops in your streets, any you give them the right to arrest people of your nation who violate the law of the state.

>>2925874

There is no reason to invade an ancap nation. There is nobody to "surrender" to you or pay you tribute. Just an endless quagmire with no profit. Senseless as an alternative to productive commerce.

>>2925794
>National
STATETIST GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2925901

>Just immediately surrender your sovereignty

Thanks for admitting that you'll never have any independence under this set-up.

>>2925905

>There is no reason to invade an ancap nation.

Land.

>>2925901
Kek. Truly, we do not need to work toward the ancap future, since we already all live in ancap conditions!

>>2925909
I think you missed the joke

>>2925910
>Land.

What about it?

>>2925905
It may explain why nobody try to take over Somalia.

>>2925915

That's a pretty strong motivation to invade.

>>2925921

How so?

>>2925912
i think you dont have an answer to op's question and making jokes is not working out so far.

>>2925924
are you retarded or what?

>>2925926

No. Are you?

>>2925924

Purge the locals and resettle with your people.

>>2925924

There aren't really that many downsides to acquiring more land.

>>2925924
Resources and living space.

>>2925924

Manifest destiny.

>>2925905
Yeah, that's why 16th-19th century imperialism against non-organized communities in places like Brazil or what's now Angola didn't happen!

>>2925920
There's no reason to take over Somalia right now, but countries have numerous times in the past, including the Somalis themselves. It's of vast strategic importance, and has been throughout history.

No one wants to invade it now because of pressure from UN security council, and the fact that Al'shabab militants would make it too difficult.

>>2925943
>It's of vast strategic importance, and has been throughout history.
Explain.

Right now, no one want to invade because who would want to spend billions and loose thousands of soldiers for some sand with no oil?

We just kill the pirates when we can.

>>2925945

Because whoever controls Somalia would theoretically be able to control access to the Persian Gulf, and by extension, the Suez Canal.

>>2925931
>Purge the locals and resettle with your people.

To what end? The locals pose no that to you and are already making you rich through trade? And to actually exterminate them would require massive resources and/or render the land worthless.

>>2925925
Not sure what you mean... I was just saying that I think this guy:
>>2925901
meant his comment as a joke. He wasn't seriously suggesting trying ancap and then giving up your sovereignty, he was pointing out that an ancap experiment would in reality probably quickly get taken over by a state that would institute taxation and policing along its own lines.

>>2925794
People would volunteer or be forced by their boss to join a militia, and would either bring their own equipment of use the loaners provided by the local poppy baron. "Security contractors" would probably play a role as well.

>>2925945
In antiquity, up until the 16th century, it was important because it connected the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean and was, therefore, a valuable stopping point on the Silk Road. Vast amounts of spices came through the Horn of Africa from India. Somali city-states used to rule over the coast, as did Aksum later on. It's close proximity to sub-saharan Africa, such as other trading hubs like Swahili City states, meant that Gold and exotic animals also went through Somalia and the Horn of Africa.
as >>2925952
stated, it was useful in the Colonial era too. This is exemplified by the fact that both Britain and Italy were in control of it.

>>2925952

Control is a bit strong. Hamper is a better word. A somewhat organized navy could cause a lot of trouble.

Even the pirates were of some concern.

>>2925942
This. I can't believe people are using such stupid fucking arguments on a history board.
>lol why would you take control of oil fields and gold mines
>just trade with other people, it's the american way!

>>2926009

Obviously your level of control would be determined by the relative strength of your naval forces in the area.

>>2925981
Some easy to defend rock like Gibraltar would do. No need to get busy with the rest of the country.

>>2925896
lebron james got kekd no need to worry about him anymore.

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We all know this thread will degenerate in memes.

>>2925794
If there is a need for a product there will be demand, if there is a demand there will be a supply.

It astounds me that people can't conceive of ways of solving social problems beyond "violently enforce the first solution you think of"

>>2925958
But if trade didn't have to go through said ancap locals, you'd be even richer.

>>2926119
Dude... The problem isn't that *I* can't conceive of ways to solve social problems without violence. The problem is that there are millions of crazy motherfuckers in this world who can't conceive of ways to solve social problems without violence, or can conceive such ways but don't want to follow them.

>>2926119
Cont... as for the "first solution you think of" bit, well, there's a reason why defending yourself by organizing with others into a state is the first solution that most people think of - because the other approaches that people have tried haven't worked as consistently.

>>2925794
How would Ancap society do anything? Very badly, of course.

>>2926119
But if you can make others pay for it, why should you pay?
Everyone will follow the same reasoning, and so any collective projects is doom to fail.

National security in one of the project that benefit no one in particular. You can't buy your share of national security, either there is one for everyone, either there is none.

>>2926227
The free rider problem isn't relevant here, the overwhelming majority of tax revenue that is spent on the military in reality comes from very rich people and businesses. These businesses will have an economic interest in not having wealth appropriated by an invading force, and can overcome the free rider problem with other businesses via umbrella groups and exclusion.

Even if they couldn't, all you need is a militia capable of causing enough frustration to make the invasion economically unviable.

Remember those corporations with paramilitary militias killing syndicated workers in colombia? Like that.

>>2925905
Who cares about the people of AncapLand, what will you do with your million factions of private militias when Stateburg decides to go in guns ablazin and subjugate everyone and take over Ancapland for loot and the resources of the land?

>>2926244
I do not trust Apple's private army will serve the best interest of the nation, especially if no one can oppose them.

The private military companies would form an alliance and take over through dictatorship

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ITT: Ancaps assume people are 100% rational, and invaders don't have anything motivating them but economics, and so can be dealt with in that line

No religion, no politics, no national/state destiny, no security concerns about their home states, nope.jpg

The same way as any anarchist society: it wouldn't and then it'd get invaded by a state and cease to exist.

>>2926395
Whereas if the same thing is done by a group of people with a monopoly on coercion that magically makes it fine

How do AnCaps protect private real estate when doing so requires some sort of force thus begetting an involuntary state of affairs akin to the state?