How do you defeat them in an offensive war?

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With this one little Soviet trick.

the winning move is not to be some kind of belligerent

>>2924560
If they are attacking a real menace, like USSR used to be, yes.

You simply can't.

>>2924560
The US is unconquerable through conventional means because of their nuclear arsenal and being flanked by two car oceans and the world's most powerful navy. The best you can hope for is somehow subverting the US back into non-interventionism.

>>2924560
buttcum

>>2924560
Very easily
How? Simple
Hire vietnamese mercenaries and drop them on the east coast.
After a few years they will retreat to the west coast and pretend they haven't lost the war

Birds...

Oh wait, that's Australia.

Actual answer: Somehow build a navy stronger and more advanced than the US's, and use it to dominate both oceans. An invasion of the CONUS would still be a logistical nightmare, but you can from this point blockade the US and nab its overseas possessions and wait until it surrenders.

The problem is that the US Navy could probably beat every other navy in the world combined.

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>>2924606
Leave US Navy to me!

>>2924560
>infiltrate propaganda machine
>do some specific, precise hacks
>get collaboration of the ruling elites
>slowly turn it into a less democratic, inward looking power so that you can extend your influence elsewhere
>no need for tank rush and mind control squids AT ALL

:^)

Anarchy.

>>2924560
You're on the list, rebel scum.

>>2924600
KEK

>>2924560
Conventionally, you don't. The only country that can defeat America on the American continent, is America itself.

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Tfw Anglos get given the best territorial bonuses from God:
>Anglo homeland is defended by a channel that both Napoleon and Hitler couldn't cross
>Yankee Anglo gets a huge swath of land defended to the North by another Anglo and to the south only spics boarder it
>Shit posting Anglo gets a whole continent to himself despite having a population equivalent to 3 London's
>Kiwi Anglo gets an Island in the middle of bum fuck nowhere with natives who actually rate them and help them win rugby
Is God an Anglophile? It is literally impossible to beat the combined Anglo-sphere in war and it gets even worse if you include pseudo Anglo commonwealth countries like South Africa which has only one really long boarder to the north its other sides defended by the sea.
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>2924560
You can't invade them. They're too powerful and have an armed populace.

>>2924560
First strike in a Nuclear Exchange.
Convince them that their government is plotting against the people and swoop in as they destroy themselves.

>>2925058
Thank you based god

>>2924560
Most countries can't subdue the state of florida.

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>>2924560
Its simple anon you are all just too blind to see it:
Step 1
>Create an aircraft carrier submarine
Step 2
>Sail the subs to the west coast
Step 3
>Load the floatplanes on board with plague infected fleas
Step 4
>Launch 15 float planes from the submarines at the west coast focusing on San Diego
Step 5
>Drop plague infested play load or Kamikaze into city (pilots preference really)
Step 6
>Watch as US pig-dogs continent is enveloped by chaos and plague like in that book which they hold in such high regard
Step 7
>Give plan a kawii sounding name like "Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night" which conveys both your anime heritage and the fact that you have clearly given up on legitimately fighting the war and are just prolonging it for the bantz and Emperor.

And that Anons is how Japan won the Second World War.

>>2924615
I want a /u/ with her and lady liberty.

>>2924560
America lose every war since WW2
/thread

>>2925483
Iraq

>>2924560
you cant, even if you somehow beat the us navy completely and blockaded the fuck out of them, and even assuming large portions of the rest of the world weren't no America's side you still run into insurmountable problems.

1 the US still has the ability to be self sufficient food wise, especially if they can still buy food from Canada, so they wont starve, and as teh German economy in both world wars shows, even a country with drastically less self sufficiency can still maintain massive military strength when blockaded.

2 even discounting allies, such a large portion of the world is so dependent on US trade, or benefits from it so much, it is difficult to imagine a scenario where international community abides such a blockade for long.

3 "Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it is not enough that we take Guam and the Philippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House." -Isoroku Yamamoto
in order to force a peace you kind of have to actually hold some important parts of the mainland US, good luck with that.

4 it has a massive nuclear arsenal, even if you built a similar one to prevent them from using it offensively, they could still make huge use of it to annihilate any attempt at landing on the mainland.

>>2925030
lmao epic post and bread :^)

By betraying humanity and getting alien allies.

>>2925489
Precisely

>send in five Vietnamese women armed with rice bowls
>instant surrender

>>2924560
>plant nukes under both Yellowstone national park and La Palma of the Canary Islands.
>detonate both at the same time
>Yellowstone super volcano erupts, blanketing the western CONUS in ash
>eastern seaboard devastated by massive tsunami
>invade, preferably with large alliance, in aftermath

>>2924560
You literally can't unless it is a nuclear war or you are a very well armed Canada or Mexico. USA is a literal fortress and its bloated war machine speaks more about its military industrial complex than its national defense

>>2924560
Play the waiting game until they go into civil war. What until someone "wins" and destroy them. No reason to take land, just burn it all. Also, fuck the Geneva convention, so use chemical/incendiary/nuclear/experimental microwave weapons as well. Oh fuck it, just use a proper biological weapon and kill 7/10 of humanity's population while we're at it.

Wait until the next civil war (shouldnt be long now) and then bomb the burger factories

>>2925592
Damn that's pretty brilliant

It's doable without ruining it with nukes.

> Heavy orbital bombardment from Hyperion Class battleships

> Meteors dragged in from the Belt hurled at defensive centers using mass drivers

> Massive D-Day raid from orbit using millions of small drop pods in an iron rain

Ask me how I know.

T. Lunarian time traveler.

>>2925642

Of course this is after the Lunar fleet destroys the joint Mars, Chinese, US, Jap, Russian armada in Mars orbit after Admiral Hannibal Martianicus completes the first full three dimensional envelopment in a large battle.

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>>2924560
Divide and conquer

Separate the weak from the herd, stroke their inferiority complexes, convince them that you have their best interests in mind, gradually introduce more extremist and separatist ways of thinking disguised as patriotism, spend lots of treasure getting them into positions of authority while waging a campaign of subversion delegitimizing its historic institutions and educated classes. The goal is getting Americans to fight themselves while investing heavily in the side promoting your interests. The best part about this strategy is that America beats itself for you, and then struts off thinking that it was the winner while the new ruling dynasty quietly pays off its obligations and lets you continue seizing various segments of its economy

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>>2925226

Except America would just go apeshit and turn all of Japan into glass anon kun

>>2925651
>nothing about the Mexican-Canadian guerrilla war fighters helping the Lunar Obrital Troopers when they landed
>nothing about the Finnish war of reclamation, taking all of Scandinavia and European Russia and calling it the Benis Empire
>nothing about the Venus funding both sides of the war and acting like an outer space version of Switzerland
>nothing about Africa finally sending a rocket into space
What the fuck mate?

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>>2924560

Foment a civil war that turns genocidal, supply parts and technical expertise for nuclear weapons to rebel factions to use against the US Government and each other.

Sit back and watch the fireworks.

>>2925585
Wrong, retard.

You don't. Well, if you chinks try to show up on my beach you'll find a fuckton of .30-30 in your chest.

Realistically speaking there'd have to be a civil war and one of the world's superpowers such as China or Russia would have to pick a side and support it against the other side (which doesn't really count). Whatever they do after nobody knows.

>>2925586
I came close to madness trying to find it here in the states.

>>2925054
And even when that happened they still lost

>>2924560
turn popular opinion against them by creating situations which invite sensationalized media coverage, and prolonging the war without necessarily extending it such that normal civilians get tired of it.

Huge navy+large invading force+paratroopers

>>2924623
>>2924606
I hope none of you are American and this question refers to America in the past. Cause, I think these posts can be considered treason. Aren't you not allowed to discuss the destruction and invasion of your country with outsiders?

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>>2925119
Florida is like the reverse Russia, never invade in the summer.
>constant downpours make air operations impossible
>streets are flooded making movement extremely hard
>kayak partisans

>>2925935

It is my constitutional right as an American to discuss a hypothetical invasion of America.

>>2926010
True that. Fuck yeah America

>>2925935
what kind of shithole fascist dictatorship do you live in?

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>>2924560
You can't, you have to subvert their political system.

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>>2926030
I think anon might be implying that America is the shithole fascist dictatorship. But I sure hope not.

>>2924560
The US has the best numbers but was, before Trump at least, absolutely hopeless.

Now I'd say it might take a couple hundred Vietnamese farmers with shovels and pitchforks

It's literally impossible. You'd have to occupy a massive landmass with armed militias and insurgencies everywhere. The only option for an invasion is by sea because the U.S. is on relatively good terms with it's neighbors. A naval invasion of the U.S. is not realistic in any form, the US navy is not only the largest navy by far, but also the 2nd largest Air Force by a considerable margin. (2nd only to the US Air Force)

>>2925119
why do you mention florida...? cause the seminole wars and the british and spanish wars in it?

>>2926079
We killed 3,500,000 gooks. Was that not enough for you?

you can't, the best thing you can do is support rebel factions and hope for a civil war. Even with a civil war you most likely can't, you have to hope it partitions. This is the most "likely" scenario, I can't imagine any major powers today actually having a plan regarding the US that does not involve subversion

>>2925935
We can discuss whatever the fuck we want
>muh freedoms

>>2926063
Yeah that would be pretty retarded. As we all know, /his/ is the smartest board™ on 4chan.

>>2924615
maybe before WWI but sadly not anymore

>>2925935

There's a very significant difference between casually discussing a hypothetical and actively plotting an outcome.

If you were caught selling a very well-thought out hypothetical to a hostile country from a position of confidence (IE access to non-public documents) there'd be a case for treason, but casually discussing it on a Vietnamese woodcarving forum isn't gonna cut it.

>>2926311
>Treasonagainst theUnited States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treasonunless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open Court.
It's very hard to be convicted of treason and discussing hypotheticals on 4chan will never result in that

I know a way
>Put millions of Albanians on some small American state
>Make sure they are very religious and have tons of children
>They outbreed and people there and make it majority Albanian
>Put a Serb on the American office
>Serb wants to genocide the Albanians
>Civial War breaks out
>at the same time Russia bombs the shit out of America to stop it from wanting to remove Albanians
>repeat until everyone in America speaks spanglish and albanian only

>>2926366
I'm pretty sure that las part already happened

Elect Trump.

>>2925483
No and the ones we did lose we gave the enemy such a fucking black eye that the common perception is that we won.

You may beat us but you'll be left wondering afterward "Was it really the cost?" as you pick up whats left of your victorious country

>>2924560
EMP over the continent.

>>2924615
The French navy is larger nowadays. Nelson is spinning.

>>2925642
>the last time a meteor hit the planet it wiped out an entire species
>this somehow ruins earth less than a nuke (which we've dropped two and tested countless others) without extinctions
Fuck your alt future

>>2924560
while the strong naval and air forces keep them busy south america should invade by land, all why triggering internal riots with niggers and spics

>>2926250
Well, there's always /pol/.

>>2924560
A lot of soldiers and even more people supporting them.

/k/ once calculated a first wave based in Newfoundland of some 10 mil landing on the east coast and a second and third of 7 mil each with constant bombardment of the west coast and threat of invasion there. Also enslavement, dna mapping and relocation of some of the populace to overseas work camps to ensure cooperation of the remaining civilians.

This was of course assuming the whole world declared war on the US (USA having grown in territory to encompass all of N. America but gotten bogged down in jungle fighting in central America and contain it) and a USN that had been rendered ineffective either through attrition or some other means.

Provoke an American invasion on tactically beneficial land, ie. jungle, sap American manpower and morale, propaganda machine for anti-war, occupy via north with no obstruction of freedoms and gifts, bribing the populace.

would that work idk

>>2924606
>The problem is that the US Navy could probably beat every other navy in the world combined.
I've heard this said before but at the admitted risk of sounding like an armchair faggot; quantity has a quality of its own.

Establishing a fleet equal in number to the USN out of the worlds ships could be done easily with enough left over to to make 2 or 3 equally sized fleets with which to envelop the USN in any conflict.

Yeah, qualitatively they would be inferior, but if you have more ships than they have shit to shoot it doesn't really matter.

>>2926079
Trump would lose any war.

>>2924560
We've known since our founding that our enemies north and south were weak, and that we were protected from enemies east and west by vast oceans.

We've always known that we would fall from internal decay, from the kind of degenerate filth we see marching in the streets today.

As de Tocqueville said, America is great because Americans are good; when Americans cease being good, America will cease being great.

>>2927102
So far Trump has cowed the Chinese by bombing Syria, shut up the Norks by telling the Chinese to get their shit straight, put Mad Dog Mattis in charge of annihilating each and every ISIS soldier, and dropped a MOAB on ISIS just to emphasize that everything is on the table. Oh yeah, he's also got Iran getting the shit stomped out of it by selling the Saudis weapons to kill Iranians and Houtis.

Yeah, you're much more world changing than Trump.

Infiltration. Create demographic changes. Destroy the country from within. Example: Europe.

>>2927121
It saddens me to know someone as ignorant as you has access to the internet

We need to take their burgers away. No burgers = starve to death.

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>>2927442
delet this

>>2927059
>Establishing a fleet equal in number to the USN out of the worlds ships could be done easily with enough left over to to make 2 or 3 equally sized fleets with which to envelop the USN in any conflict.

Not in all dimensions. When it comes to things like Aircraft Carriers, the US has more and larger carriers in service than the rest of the world combined.

>>2925483
Every country the US has "lost" to since WW2 has turned into a reliable business partner which was the point in the first place

You're forgetting Desert Storm btw

>>2924597
>Kill ratio 216 to 1 for Usa
>USA "losing"
Not this time gooks

>>2925935
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

>>2925058
Success breeds jealousy. Anglo pride worldwide.

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Mass drop near the coastlines. Let tidelwaves wipe out coastal cities. Electromagnetic attacks on any inland major cities. Land, round up people, study their protein structure, tailor a virus that targets them exclusively. After that send airforces to wipe out strategic centers. Start landing troops on the surface.

So I think we can all conclude that it is impossible. Has any other nation in history been this untouchable?

Mongol Empire? British Empire? Roman Empire?

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>>2927836

I like you.

>>2926001
500,000 Russian invaders went into the everglades and swamplands to hunt Floridian rebels. None returned. Those wetlands are brutal, silent, hungry...

>>2928038
No polity in history with its core territories far removed from the reach of other powers has ever been so dominant

>>2924560
Rig elections and put a retard in charge. Also bribe and blackmail his closest advisors.

>>2924560
STARVE THEM OF OIL,

The only reason the burgerland is strong and impenetrable is because of oil..

>>2928390
But that goes for every country in the world worth giving a damn about anon.

>>2924560
Flood them with mexicans

I gotta ask, Who would fight America anyway?
I'm not an American, as you can see, their sphere of influence is beyond their Geographical authority,Media,transportation,technology,Education, everything,

To be concise, Most of the countries in the world depends on him, it's the truth, that's why I hate america, because we're one of it's former colonies,

start race wars and spread discontent through the working class

>>2925226
Japan already tried this in i think Oregon or something and it didn't really work all that well.

>>2928390
>starving the United States of oil
>in any timeline
A plurality of American oil comes from the United States. The majority of the rest comes from Mexico and Canada. There's no feasible way to starve the U.S. out its oil anymore.

>>2928405
Pinoy, Liberian, Jap, West German or Korean?

>>2928423
DELTE THIS SENPAI!!!

>>2924560
Crash their economy, with no survivors.

>>2927650
So? The rest of the world has more ships than you have missiles.

>>2928433
>There's no feasible way to starve the U.S. out its oil anymore.
Bomb pipelines and refineries

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>>2924560
some cause the price of oil to sky rocket, expensive oil is basically the same as no oil. Do to the infrastructure of the US, it would be a huge setback. Or just spend 15 years convincing them that there are more then 2 genders and every will start to fall apart on its own.

>>2927650
There's actually a nifty future concept that could solve that little problem. Disposable UACV's that have a rocket assisted launch and are one time use. They launch from units the size of cargo containers and can momentarily give a fleet the force of a carrier at a fraction of the cost and upkeep.

Theoretically you could even make the UACV recoverable if it could land on water or simply float long enough for manual recovery.

The system would clearly have limitations and be less versatile than an actual carrier but to give a fleet immediate power projection capabilities it would do it.

The best way to defeat a country is to make sure it is not self sustaining or to limit its capacity to trade. The US has pretty genetically similar agriculture. With some planning years in advance, you can breed invasive species that can wipe out farms within a decade, hindering the US economy, and weakening its army. Stir up enough unrest, and then maybe even some US citizens will support you in your invasion.

>>2924560
Get it to destroy itself from within.

Stoke racial and religious differences. Incite class struggle. Sow distrust of the government.

Basically everything that's been happening since the nation was founded.

>>2927059
Let's not forget that the US mothball fleet is probably the second of third largest navy in the world.

A little tlc and most of those ships can be ready in a year.

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>>2928609
You clearly have never driven thru farm country.

Half the crops grown in the US are genetically modified.

>>2928592
>getting air superiority on the NA continent

LOL

Invading the moon would be much more feasible than invading America.

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>>2928622

This. Whitebois have no answer to the BBC.

>>2928591
That's literally not true.

>>2928601
That doesn't so much as level the playing field as it does provide another field for America to be superior.

>>2924560

Make them fight amongst each other and waste billions of dollars fighting a few men.

>>2924560
Even when the attacking armies occupy east or west coast, they might suffer large attrition because civillians have guns.

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>>2924575
They can try.

>>2924565
>french nuclear test

>>2926458
It actually isn't.
Why do so many people on this board openly lie?

>>2924560
Besides nukes its logistically impossible to invade the US, unless you are Canada and Mexico which have shit armies, and are too far from everybody except the US to be able to conspire against the US.

>>2927102
Trump is absolutely terrible domestically but so far his foreign activities have been pretty good.

There's only one country that defeated the US.

Vietnam. How did they do it? Morales.

>>2928581
not too hard desu, just flood it even more with cheap chinamen stuff
t. American

>>2928596
yep, however there's a lot of (shitty) infrastructure to bomb

>>2929392
>Vietnam. How did they do it? Morales.
Damn, how tough can one Mexican guy be?

>>2928642
But much of the GMO stuff is similar, isn't it?

I hate the idea that "history is bound to repeat itself".

Humans have never been this powerful before. In all seriousness no one on the planet could defeat america now.

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>>2925058
I don't like to bring up my failures either.

>>2927991
>study their protein structure

you can do that without declaring war first, you can come to America ya know as long as you're not from Syria :^)

If it was that easy to genetically engineered a virus that only kills one group of people, it would have been done by now. However, because people are pretty much exactly the same on a cellular level and America is a melting pot of hundreds of different cultures, good luck developing a virus that can somehow detect nationality even though there's nothing racial or biological about nationality.

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>>2928592
>Taking on the USAF
That wouldn't end well.

>Ctrl+F "Israel"
>0 results

You dumb motherfuckers, all you have to do is invade Israel with a gorillion sand niggers and you will achieve complete victory over the US. The Samson Option might be activated and Europe would cease to exist, but world peace would be achieved.

>>2927866
>fail to complete objective
>USA "winning"
Not this time burgers

>>2930560
Americans expect gold medals for participating in wars. That way they can say that everyone is a winner even when they do a strategic withdrawal

>>2925226
This guys knows whats up. Don't forget the high altitude air derigibles that our planes could get to and all the japs had to do was let the air currents take it over. WW2 didnt end in 45' buddy boy

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>>2928592
*blocks your path*

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>>2930763

>>2926969
And it's retards like this that keep the average low.

>>2924560
You better nuke I said hope we don't shoot them down because that's your only hope.

>>2924560
Promote interracial relationships

>>2930785
Are you having a stroke?

>>2924565
>Product of Jewish treachery
Thanks Rosen((bergs))!

You can't defeat the US in a conventional war. The WORLD couldn't beat the US in a conventional war if combined. Your best bet is to cause the US to fracture internally and then fight the individual nations. Messing with Texas alone is on about the same level of difficulty as messing with France.

>>2931663
>Messing with Texas alone is on about the same level of difficulty as messing with France.
why? Do they have rocket launchers and tanks?

>>2931734
Yes

Texan here disregard this guy>>2931663
We aren't that OP

With free mcdonals

>>2931734
Every state has national guard, and in the even of a breakup stuff will probably stay where it is for the most part.

Texas has NASA, weapons manufacturing, a strong national guard and a GDP similar to France. Without Federal support due to national collapse they'd rapidly emerge as the center of a new power. Fighting entirely on their own they'd be similarly difficult to defeat as France.

You'd also want to look out for California, Cascadia (which might merge with California or perhaps Canada) and the old colony states to be strong powers as well. A lot of the middle of America would be divided up and fought over, with the Appalachian mountains, major rivers and Rocky mountains serving as natural borders.

Some of the largest Indian tribes might expand beyond the reservations in the event of national collapse, like the Navajo, but it's really iffy. Few have the infrastructure in place to expand outward and manage anyone other than themselves.

>>2931756
You actually are. You've also got tons of oil even now and would be capable of projecting power quite capably. So would California for that matter.

Make all the south americans and canadians invade from the north and south.
Chinks, russians, indians and everyone invades by sea and by air.
Once the chinks have landed their 2.2 million chinks. It'll be over.

>>2931787
france is a pushover.
Can texas beat russia?

>>2931799
No, because they'd nuke each other and the world would end.

Texas might be able to fight Russian armed forces over seas, repel invasions, and so on, but I don't think either could ever expect to invade the other and win. Texas has too few people and Russia doesn't have enough power projection these days. Russia is also in a shit state while Texas is currently doing great as a part of the US.

Realistically Texas wouldn't win in a real war between the two, but they'd do better the more neighboring states they absorbed. They'd probably be a pretty strong naval power and could win limited wars over influence, though. Of course they'd probably be fighting other Americans more than anyone else when it comes to wars of influence.

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>>2931734
Texas along with California, New York and for some reason Ohio have their own army, navy and air force

State defense forces: army units highlighted in red, naval units in blue, those with both in green, inactive in purple

Plus in Texas citizens can own mini guns, tanks and flame throwers.

>>2924560
Submarine warfare. Destroy America's capacity to trade, and it will take at least a decade before they can build up their domestic economy enough to replace all the lost cargo. Individually the states are rather weak, it's only when united do we see the unimaginable power of these United States. So if one dares to invade the country through, say, Mexico; one would have to strike quickly, and isolate major sectors from each other. The most obvious one would be pushing from New Mexico to Colorado, so as to separate California from Texas. This wouldn't isolate them completely. But resources would have to be shipped through the Rocky mountains, great plains, and all of that devastatingly undeveloped infrastructure up north.

Missiles are also an excellent way to attack the United States. Most of the population is in crowded buildings along the coast line; just a single missile could kill thousands. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if thousands of missiles rained down upon vital infrastructure and civilian areas alike. And the United States would simply not have the ability to stop all of these missiles. It would be a genuine disaster.

As an American I can attest to our great perseverance. This won't be enough to take out our great nation. The conquest of America is already a herculean task. The extended occupation of America is virtually impossible. It's too ideologically diverse/divided to submit to a new ruler. It's overflowing with guns, that will surely be put to use. And many areas can only maintain order through government oversight, a single mishandling of these areas would result in massive riots. There are so many different subgroups in America that it would take thousands of sociologists to figure out how to appease them, so they don't revolt.

Just like Greece and Rome. You can defeat our armies, and occupy our land. But culturally, we will slaughter you.

>>2924560
Assuming no nuclear warfare, with a large Eurasian alliance (maybe Russia, EU and China) + Mexico.
Difficult since there is no comparable land power in the american continent.

>>2929392
I still remember stories of how Vietnamese troops where marching down Washington D.C or what was left of it and how they went right up to the white house and pulled the president out and paraded him in front of their troops.

Truly terrible times

>How do you defeat them in an offensive war?
You don't. The USA will only be defeated in a war if it is a civil war.

>>2931834
>invade the country through, say, Mexico
and how would you do that with the entire American airforce and navy blocking any potential attempts at landing or convoys near the coasts?

>>2931859
That's honestly our greatest weakness. We go through a once every 50-100 years or so cycle where we go completely insane and our political parties all flip. First time we had a revolution, second time a civil war, third time democrats became republicans and republicans became democrats, fourth time is starting now.

>>2924597
Vietnamese are defense only. Try again.

>>2925592

Beat me to it

Then again

This is pretty much the cornerstone of the Russian battle-plan should shit turn haywire

>>2925592
Invade what? A super volcano just erupted. There would be nothing left.

How did the US become the richest and most militarily strong country in the world?

>>2931860
I'm just saying it in regards to this scenario. Presumably they wouldn't already be at war, or Mexico would suddenly have a top-tier military. Other countries would basically have to hold out against us as long as possible, and hope to eventually win a war of attrition to take control of the sea. Even Hitler said that he would only be able to wait America out, since an invasion is so difficult.

>>2931837
russia has more nukes than america anyway

>>2931882
Luck and a bunch of southern neighbor bullying.

>>2931882
Isolated from the rest of the world's retardation for a few centuries.

The only reason america is the strongest military is because the rest of the world is focusing on playing economic catchup.
Once they're rich enough and build up their armies properly, we'll see who is better.
Another thing america has always had was the advantage of always fighting overseas and not on the continent. There has to be a way to take away this advantage

Serious answer? Invade the Arabian gulf states and Israel. The gulf states and Israel have the American economy by the balls and could start a great American depression of Biblical proportions. There are many Americans, that delude themselves into thinking their military is Invincible and has no weakpoints that could be exploited. They are wrong. The American military has one fatal weakpoint. It's how goddamn EXPENSIVE the American military is to maintain. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars on their own have cost America more than 5 Trillion dollars. Every Empire no matter how formerly great, has ended. Lets not fool ourselves into thinking America will be any different.

>>2931894
>There has to be a way to take away this advantage
There really isn't, unless the US somehow loses all of its carrier groups and its air force, which is extremely unlikely, considering how each CBG is the equivalent of a national navy for everyone else.

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>>2931907
>The gulf states and Israel have the American economy by the balls and could start a great American depression of Biblical proportions.
Its actually sort of depressing there are people who believe this retardation.

>>2931885
The US uses cluster nukes - each nuke tosses out a lot of smaller nukes. Russia has more and bigger nukes, but if each nuclear explosion from the cluster counted as one the US would have far more than Russia.

>>2931882
Modern tech and education methods pairing up with the upswing of industrial technology and the fact that we are the size of an entire continent. A continent which had natives that conveniently died out for the most part so there was a minimum of conflict taking it. That conflict led to us becoming a militaristic culture, however, having fought basically every few decades since we first came into existence fighting in the 1700's.

We were direct successors of the greatest empire of the world at the time, with all their same knowledge and processes that frankly still worked. We then decided to import two of every kind of human and used them to expand that knowledge base we started with.

We caught up to European military power with 100 years and exceeded it because of our technological advantages in the Spanish American war and our superior logistical might in the two world wars. Again, we are a continent. We have a continent's resources.

Because we have a low population relative to our size and high education we train elite soldiers and use top tier war machines to compensate, backed with inexhaustible industrial might and economic power because, oh yeah, we inherited a lot of trade skill from Europe and got even better at it because of our education.

Our model of government was the top of the line the 1700's could make. Shame it's starting to show its age now.

>>2931913
By all means prove me wrong if you want to. calling it retarded isn't going to refute it.

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>>2931925
US shale and oil fields produce most of their oil, while the rest is imported from Canada so the Saudis don't have anything but those silly dweebs who don't have their own native oil resources by the balls. Meanwhile, what the fuck do the heebs provide to the US that is indispensable to the US economy? Matzo balls?

>>2931925
im not him, but aside from oil i dont see how saudi arabia could hurt us. we certainly have enough farmland.

the top 5 coutnries from which the US imports oil
Canada, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, and Colombia.
only one of those countries is outside of the Americas and none of them would be difficult to invade. America has a shit ton of shale oil reserves as well.

>>2931935
>US shale and oil fields produce most of their oil, while the rest is imported from Canada so the Saudis don't have anything but those silly dweebs who don't have their own native oil resources by the balls
America's ability to produce it's own Oil doesn't matter because the Gulf states could literally Raise the price of Oil simply by pulling out of the market. and Expensive Oil is basically like no Oil at all. They have done this in the 1973 Arab Oil embargo. They could do it again.
>Meanwhile, what the fuck do the heebs provide to the US that is indispensable to the US economy? Matzo balls?
There are hundreds of companies and corporations in America that are owned by Jewish CEOs who lobby in favor Israel and would pull all of their businesses if America were to become hostile to Israel.

>>2931939
>none of them would be difficult to invade.
Boy would i love to see America invade the country where Mecca and Medina are in. The Jihadist Insurgency that would start will make Vietnam and Afghanistan look like Taking a candy from a baby.

>>2931968
how many of those CEOs are actually pro-Israel? Like half of those Jews are multi-multi-generational New Yorkers whose connection to Judaism is quite weak. American capitalism and culture is quite eroding. Here are some American jews' views on Israel as proof
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/03/8-fascinating-trends-in-how-american-jews-think-about-israel/?utm_term=.fe15776410e1
Moreover, why would Israel be hostile to the US in this scenario, anyways?
Idk how useful CEOs are anyways. They certainly aren't without value, but i think its a replaceable position.
Also I don't see how the price of oil matters in wartime? As long as you have enough oil, you don't need to worry about how much its costing you, you're fighting a war, remember. Fight now, worry about money later.

>>2931978
Aside from Saudi Arabia, none of them are difficult to invade really. They're all countries with strong historical ties to the US, and weak militaries, not to mention being close by the US mainland.

>>2931992
>i think its a replaceable position

every position is a replaceable position. You can put a total retard as head of the free world and it all still functions without him. Theres a million people qualified for every position, usually the most qualified arent even in the highest positions. The man is replaceable, the position is still important regardless of who holds it

>>2932006
thats all good and well, but how would that affect the war effort? If every position is replaceable, even its important, my point stands. CEOs are a minutely small fraction of the population, if all Jewish CEOs disappeared, im sure we could replace them.

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>>2931992
>Also I don't see how the price of oil matters in wartime?

>>2932020
please clarify. The US has enough oil and the ability to get oil from nearby countries in wartime. So if Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, and Canada stop selling us soil, are we simply going to give up the war effort? No, we are going to invade the latter 4 countries, and take the oil for ourselves, especially if the situation at hand is an multi-national invasion of the US.

>>2925592
late to the thread but could a nuke trigger yellowstone to erupt? surely an eruption requires existing pressure underground?

>>2930546
>>2930763
>>2930764
Just spam mig-21's and UACV's

>>2928762
Yes it is.

>>2932044
Hi there Pierre Sprey.

>>2932056
If ww3 happens we're dumbing down production lines. The US even has low end Abrams planned ready to go if a major war does break out.

>>2932034
>please clarify. The US has enough oil and the ability to get oil from nearby countries in wartime.
Literally all modern day weaponry is maintained by Oil. Tanks, Planes, Trucks, ships, Submarines, you name it. The American military is completely and utterly unsustainable without Oil.
>No, we are going to invade the latter 4 countries, and take the oil for ourselves
These countries will destroy their Oil refineries to prevent you from getting your hands on them. Do you even know how long it takes to build infrastructure to siphon Oil?

>>2932071
You got a source for that claim?

>>2932073
>The American military is completely and utterly unsustainable without Oil.
Which is why there's tons of oil stockpiled in storage facilities all across the US.
The US military pays people far more knowledgeable than you pretty good money to think of all contingencies, which would obviously include getting vital resources for the military.

You don't have to, just supply its internal tensions with controversies. Eventually it will collapse.

>>2932073
????
>These countries will destroy their Oil refineries to prevent you from getting your hands on them.
how they are going to run their own countries without oil or the equipment to extract said oil. Canada is cold as fuck, what are they going to warm their homes, how are they going to drive their cars?
You're also underestimating how much oil the US has and how much oil we import because of stupid shit like driving everywhere. Ideally, we could reduce most non-essential uses of oil.

>>2932074
Couple of years ago on /k/ but by all means don't believe me and keep thinking the US army is going to be trying to churn out $6.2 mil a piece tanks to fight a worldwide war.

I mean if that makes sense to you who the fuck is some anon on 4chan to tell you different right?

>>2932083
>how they are going to run their own countries without oil or the equipment to extract said oil
>You're also underestimating how much oil the US has and how much oil we import
You know what? I give up. you won the argument. Satisfied now? Now shoo shoo.

>>2932134
>source: some anon shitposting a couple years ago on /k/
>dude it just makes sense lmao
Okay buddy.

>>2932147
That's fine

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>>2932134

>>2925592

How you gonna get a nuke to Yellowstone?

>>2931921

Don't forget we got the economic/advancement benefits of military mobilization, manufacturing, and involvement without getting our homeland and resources devastated by WW2. Not only was our momentum strong and trending steeper, Europe in general suffered some obstacles at the same time our and Russia's standing at the end of WW2 offered our parties the positions of strength.

>>2927121

[saudi hand rubbing intensifies]

>>2925058
autism

>>2925592
Nawe nigga you put the other nuke in Hawaii so there is something to invade afterwards.

Thing is though they would have time to sure up their coastal defenses as you wouldn't want your navy in the ocean undergoing a tsunami,

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>>2931894
>implying anyone society could ever have the wasteful affluence of America

It's just not possible buddy. Places like Europe have higher GDPs per capita but they don't spend that money on soldiers, they chose welfare. They chose to reinvest that money into 'their' citizens to mixed results.

America chose to spend that money on destruction. They take billions... hundreds of billions of quality greenbacks - enough to dwarf most national budgets and certainly enough to house every 'refugee' on the planet and literally blow them up.

Every year they do this. They transmute enough money to feed every starving african (bugs atleast) into explosives that are blown up and lost forever. No other country on Earth would ever even consider doing this.

America has an unstoppable military because it is America, and is populated by Americans who literally do not give a shit about anything. God bless those crazy fucks.

>>2925661
>this is what batshit crazy people actually believe

>>2927442
>taking burgers away

Isn't that like against Geneva's rules or whateva ya commies say? By the way, who is that bitch Geneva I hear yall talking about anyway? Why does she get to make the rules and is that why did her boyfriend Guantenmo dun cheated on her?

>>2932442
>God bless those crazy fucks.

Legitimately an awesome post.

>>2932442
Accurate.

>>2929663
morales was a hero medic unit so all the vietnamese researched stims and level 2 infantry weapons and she kept healing them and the vietnamese shot down all the units and destroyed the US command center and SCVs.

>>2924560
Cut off the burger and soda supply.

>>2926046
>You can't, you have to subvert their economic* system.

>>2927017
>USN that had been rendered ineffective
I keked. US might as well only arm infantry with rocks while you're at it.

>>2927115
>the kind of degenerate filth we see marching in the streets today
Go away /pol/

>>2924575
>The best you can hope for is somehow subverting the US back into non-interventionism.

Or wait for the US to bankrupt itself

>>2929690
That picture is dumb. Post-apartheid many rich whites left and an economic vacuum caused a spiraling in crime, not because >lol nigger hehe.

You people need to stop sucking American cock so much.

There are over 6 billion people outside of America while America only has like 300 million. If we wanted to we could wham bam your nation back to antiquity.

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>>2932442
You're acting like Americans care about people more than America

>>2933531
Lol, that'sounds funny. If you knock us back to antiquity you fuckers are going back to the stone age? Who'said the center of economics? US. Who has the strongest military? US. Who is the cultural center of the world? US. Who is the leading trade partner with nearly every developed nation? US. You would see a usurping greaterm than the bronze age collapse if the US disappeared.

>>2933562
Mobilefag, so spelling is weird. Really faggy autocorrect.

>>2929690
This is some horseshit. South Africa's violent crime rate spiked for a short time after the end of apartheid and then returned to rates similar to the apartheid era.

A great deal of what >>2933526 said. Add in the fact that the government under apartheid was actively preventing the black community from achieving any political or economic success and you're left with an almost perpetual underclass of one race. Do you think that when they got the right to vote they'd somehow be able to have the economic and political ability to effectively manage things?

>>2932001
it looks easy to invade them because they're divided so none of them bat an eye when their neighbors get rekt by america and civil war.
Watch them united and see what happens

Turn america's greatest ally of 84 years:saudi arabia into their enemy

>>2933552
americans don't even care about america. They only care about destruction

>>2933562
>invest everything into the military
>be the greatest military
Yeah if everyone started investing into their military it would make america look like a thug with a water pistol

>>2924597
Uhh dude? You're retarded and so is this post.

>>2930560
Yeah moron? The ineffectiveness of Vietnamese soldiers in regular combat against the American military is of paramount importance in the retarded hypothetical proposed in the shitty troll post that person idiotically responded to.

>>2931907
Uhh dude? Messing with the price of oil by invading wealthy oil producing states in the middle east is how saddam hussein got his army destroyed in the first gulf war.

You wouldn't be fighting just the US in such a conflict, you'd be fighting just about ever major power on the planet.

>>2927866
you get triggered pretty fast fucking mongrel Americuck

>>2934216
The fact that a single american died when it's the greatest military ever, is a disgrace for you

I helped come up with one of these with a few friends as a fun thought-exercise back in highschool.

0. Have a good Navy to keep most of USA's navy distracted and tied up in as many theaters of ocean battle as you can. Doesn't matter if you lose the pacific, just as long as you're able to get into the Gulf of Mexico.
1. Capture one or two small islands in the carribean to act as your base of operations.
2. Large amphibious assault on New Orleans. It's an important port.
3. From New Orleans, start sending transports full of troops up the Mississippi River and its tributaries, trying to split the country in half. Tear shit up and try to make as many cities surrender as possible. Any city with an airport if worth capturing because now you have a new place to extract and drop off troops from New Orleans. Really, be more interested in capturing airports than cities.
4. Once you're able to advance your army northward enough, send troops down the Ohio river toward Pennsylvania. Have another group go north toward Chicago, because it has a really nice airport (ignore if Americans have wised up and started wrecking their own airports before they get captured)
5. If you have Chicago, you can turn that into a new base and start tearing up the Great Lakes area and advance to Canada if desired. If not, simply continue eastward toward Washington DC. There are a few spots the rivers don't connect but by then everything is within ground distance and if you capture a nearby airport you can move some planes over there and soften things up with bombers and shit.

How the Americans can foil this: Dry up or reroute the Mississippi, disrupt the Gulf of Mexico to keep me from moving troops and supplies to New Orleans

Note: this plan only applies if nukes are not involved, otherwise whatever home-country is doing all this will probably get nuked to hell shortly after New Orleans is captured.

Even if you do somehow invade the CONUS you would basically be making the wet dream of every gun toting fudd/mallninja/tacticool gear queer come true. And god help the poor soul who would be tasked with trying to take Appalachia. The only thing the mullet sporting, trailer dwelling mountain people of this region love more than NASCAR, budlight and hunting is America and hating foreigners.

>>2934590
>wow americans are so violent
>armed trained soldiers are gonna get completely rekt by our rural trump voters

>>2932036
No.

>>2924560
Are you serious? americans are not offensive. after a while of casting aspersions at you, and after you refute them they just say something even more egregiously retarded and it ends the discussion. If you really can't beat an american in an argument you're either
>black
>have downs
>another american

>>2934630
> I have no idea what guerilla warfare is.

>>2934684
yeah it's something americans never did because they always had the bigger army

>>2924560
As a preamble to the attack, you need backdoors into intelligence satellite systems. Before you launch your physical attack, you need a cyber attack to disable spying and communication.
First you have to draw out and destroy the two nearest Carrier Groups. The way tests suggest for this is to draw them near a coastline and then use shallow water boats and land based man portable installations to "fill the air with lead" using Surface to Surface missiles.
At the same time, you need air and covert strikes on part warehouses for air force and army planes and fuel depots. Semi-bearing bridges over the Mississippi River are targets of opportunity.

>>2934383
Invading from the South is just as retarded as invading from any other vantage point. You have swamps and dense forests fucking FILLED with armed civilians, and not just regular civilians but the highest concentration of veterans in the Union. Invading up the Mississippi is especially bad because you're invading through a vantage point where you can easily get hammer and anvil'd.

The US could easily, and I mean easily, divert troops from military bases located in the gulf region to quickly smash any attack up the Mississippi from both sides. Highways and railroads mean that the bulk of the US army could swarm into the region within a few days at worst, and you bet your fucking ass that the US would immediately start fortifying that river as soon as it was apparent that New Orleans was going to fall, assuming you could actually take it. By the time the city fell, the stretch of river immediately upstream would be lined on both sides with hidden artillery installation and other fortifications, and more would be moving into place every hour.

Taking New Orleans would be about as far as you could get in this scenario, and then you'd get bogged down in a siege when you've taken the low ground and the enemy can drag in a nearly limitless supply of artillery and bombers to shell the city with. If push came to shove they could end the whole thing in a day by bombing the dam holding the Mississippi and just flood the whole city out. Oh and enjoy your endless insurgency and urban warfare from a dense and highly armed population until then, unless you feel like going full extermination mode and give the US army a reason to not hold back. The second step of your plan alone is already a suicide mission.

>>2934722
the chinese have lots of hackers

>>2934180
>Invests nothING into entertainment industry
>Best entertainment industry in the world
The rest if the world already invested in their militaries, it was called World War 2. Then Out of the winners the US and Soviets fought to have the strongest military. The fact that the US is the only world power us the result of a century of good foreign policy and geographical isolation. Nobody can touch us except ourselves. Don't act like other countries could even afford our military budget.

>>2934689
Do you think America just didn't exist before the Civil War?

>>2924565
>soviet

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>Declare war
>Dig in coast
>Keep repelling their attempts at landing
>Let them estabilish breachhead after year of doing this to let more soldiers in
>Bombard them with every piece of artilerry that can be found
>Drive them out
>Rinse and repeat until USA loses most of its young male population and economically crumbles
what do I win?

>>2927059

Don't forget that the USN keeps a stock of supplies and materials enough to wage two years of war without outside logistics.

The other side would have to wage two years of attrition at the very least.

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>>2932442
I remember someone from a different land coming to the US and stating how amazed he was as to how warlike everyone in the US was. As a US citizen, I've never really noticed it. Is it true?

Pic related.

>>2935654
Nothing because this thread is about attacking the USA, not the USA attacking another nation. Also you really don't think they'd try something different after the very first landing was a spectacular failure? And which singular country would even be able to establish naval and air superiority to the degree that they could freely dig into the coast? Are you talking about the entire planet simultaneously fortifying the world's coastlines at equal measure? Your strategy doesn't even work from a defensive point of view.

Well one way is through Canada/Mexico, though this is easier said than done for logistic reasons and I doubt they would let you concentrate your forces.
Alternative would be seizing major ports and pushing from there but that is the harder solution.
USA is basically an island, surrounded by vast oceans and their navy is pretty powerful.
While most of USA is not as hostile as Russian environment is, it's still a huge space and that would complicate things. They are also pretty numerous, and population is armed.
Best way to do it would be support some separatist movements or stuff like that and using their region as a springboard.
Still, crippling their navy is the most important thing in any scenario.
Of course, you could just use nukes and what not, but that's not really an interesting discussion is it.

>>2924560

The perfect anti-ballistic missile tech has to be developed first and deployed in sufficient number. Otherwise you risk gettin nuke'd. A single nuke can stop the war.

Then you would need to achieve air supremacy. I believe this can only be achieved when drones get developed enough to compete with man-piloted aircraft in air to air combat.

Then it depends on the goal of the war. Are you trying to embargo? Topple the government? Total war? They all require very different things.

>>2935742
well in case war would break out, it would be russia and china vs europe and america, so the naval and air superiority could end either way

Why do people keep using nuke argument? If WW3 ever breaks out it will be fought by conventional means. The classic infantry vs infantry, tanks vs tanks etc... You cant just nuke someone because you dont feel like sending your soldiers to die.

>>2935780
Yeah, no. Russia and China combined would not be able to establish air superiority over America.

Barring nukes (in which case everybody loses) there is simply no coalition of countries that could defeat America in a war of aggression. It's not just the strength of its military, its geographical advantages are also simply too great.

>>2935780
naval superiority is basically also air superiority. There are currently 19 aircraft carriers currently operating in the worlf. 1 of those belongs to Russia, 2 belong to China. In comparison, 10 belong to the US, with 2 in reserve and 9 currently under construction. In total, the US has made over 200 aircraft carriers and decommissioned most of them. The US fleet dwarfs all other fleets combined, and they could shit out another dozen in a wartime scenario. Europe would actually be fairly irrelevsnt in that regard, the US carries most of the naval and air weight of NATO. China and Russia have large standing armies but their airforce and naval forces are completely outmatched in both quality and quantity.

>>2935618
Do you think all those fat obese lardasses who survive on mcdonald's meals are going to engage in a long drawn out guerilla war?

>>2924615
>one carrier
>isn't even operational
>has a fucking RAMP

>>2925058
Yeah but almost none of the population is armed to actually resist if a foreign power lands there.

>>2936403
*except for the US

>>2924560
Terrorism

>>2924560
Use hard core drugs on the people. They couldn't win agents those or just use some Vietnamese local farmers, they can do the job as well.

>>2924565
And then you get nuked into oblivion yourself

MAD

>>2925592
This would work, but then you'd literally just become king of the ashes.

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>>2925581
Already in the works.

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>>2932442

>>2932442
I read about something like the 'Indian-Cowboy' attitude that pretty much differentiates America from other Western culture. Forgot the details, though. Maybe such attitude evolved into something new in recent times.

>>2926214

this.

>>2931756
Ya'll got the most bases per state.

>>2934735
They could also flood New Orleans if needed. You could scuttle a whole fucking city.

When it comes to USA, I could only speak from a point of how can USA defend itself, as opposed to how to defeat them!

However I doubt that it would be something they have not considered previously!

>>2932442
It's worth pointing out that a majority of the US military budget is spent on health care and education.

Still, 10/10

>>2934180
The amount of time and resources it would take to actually CATCH up to and surpass the US would would take too long, especially if the US went all "Arsenal of Democracy" like it did in WW2

>>2936269
Do you think the obese lard asses would be fighting? All it takes is like 3 months of rations and they are a fit, well armed guerilla force.

>>2924565
Doesnt America have that rocket shield or whatever the hell.

>>2936639
Who is this? Someone give me the rundown on him

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>>2935877
Dubs of truth

>>2929372
Canada's military is not shit despite memes. Its operation standards are on par with the US, UK, France, Australia, etc...

>>2935780
Neither the Russians or Chinese have true blue water navies unlike the Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, etc...