/eme/

>>2923672
gotta agree famalam

The Reformation was essentially a rational democratic revolution against a murderous theocratic monstrosity maintained through brainwashing and terror .

File: 641f2621d5479dc56b1c890c8d0f9c91.jpg (124KB, 736x558px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 736x558px

>>2923729
Hussites did it better

File: Saint Thomas More.jpg (68KB, 482x600px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 482x600px

>>2923729
>The Counter-Reformation was essentially a rational democratic revolution against a murderous theocratic monstrosity maintained through brainwashing and terror .
ftfy

File: baroque.jpg (268KB, 950x959px) Image search: [Google]

268KB, 950x959px

>>2923672
Agreed, Baroque is the fucking paramount of western civilization!

File: FUCKING_PRODDIES.png (503KB, 640x360px) Image search: [Google]

503KB, 640x360px

>>2923729
Why are protestants always so wrong?

>>2923804
If you imagine the 30 years war was fought over the supremacy of the Pope and Transubstantiation you are sadly mistaken. Catholic and Protestants fought on both sides and really they were wars of power and control, not religion.

Indeed the Reformation marked, for England, the end of the notion of Christendom. The foundation doctrine of the English Reformation was neither sola scriptura nor sola fide, but the Royal Supremacy

File: 800px-Giuseppe_Arcimboldo_-_The_Waiter_-_WGA0835.jpg (181KB, 800x1033px) Image search: [Google]

181KB, 800x1033px

>>2923672
also Giuseppe Archimboldo...dude was making batshit crazy art like pic related, in the 16th century

File: 800px-Giuseppe_Arcimboldo_-_Summer_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg (231KB, 800x1059px) Image search: [Google]

231KB, 800x1059px

>>2923861

>>2923672
Reformation-Enlightenment era fashions were shit bunch of nobility trying to make themselves look like clowns

everything else about the period I liked though

File: ef205133e65b419303a9312684d040a6_950x600_fit.jpg (107KB, 472x600px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 472x600px

>>2923883
>implying reformed ministers weren't /fa/

>>2923901
yeah I guess the dutch do have some style

File: mgxYLRO.jpg (2MB, 2784x4117px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2784x4117px

>>2923883
>bunch of nobility trying to make themselves look like clowns

I tend to think of that as the 18th century powdered wig era...but then again this was the era of stupidly ostentatious armour (which I love regardless)

>>2923775
>papal autocracy is a rational, revolutionary or democratic
how much of a brainlet cuck are you?

Was there any mercenary company more A E S T H E T H I C than the landsknechte?

>>2924003
No

>>2924003
Landsknecht is like Swiss on a budget.

File: 98aafe8b94bf268e79a644b45e7cd30f.jpg (108KB, 736x533px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 736x533px

>>2924003
there's no way these uniforms had any battlefield practicality

looks like something out of a carnival

>>2924315
>implying seeing someone dressed like that going berserk wouldn't have a psychological effect

Objective early modern era military commanders
1.Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba
2.Spinola
3.Duke of Alba
4.Gustavus Adolphus
5.Wallestein
6.Farnese

Listen to this cozy and cheery campaign song of the Landsknecht!

These lads were true comrades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOrosQw_xOk

>>2923775
>erasmus never became pope
Fml

>>2924427
Spaniards get out my southern netherlands reeeeeeeeeeeeee

File: 18403545_1411421382282100_9097897290230714244_n.jpg (157KB, 960x954px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 960x954px

>>2924427
>>2924830
>Daily reminder
>The Spanish were the first to adapt though, initiating various reforms that have wrongfully been attributed to Prince Maurice, King Gustavus II Adolphus and other famous reformers. As stated in the excellent Osprey book The Spanish Tercios 1534-1704:
>The Spanish arquebusiers and musketeers usually fired in successive volleys to achieve almost continuous firing. This was described in a book signed by King Philip II in 1591 – several years, be it noted, before the alleged first creation of this tactic by Maurice of Nassau.

>be spanish
>capture antwerp
>run all the proddie merchants out of town
>they set up shop in amsterdam
>lead to the dutch golden age
Oh wew

File: duque de Alba.jpg (26KB, 340x312px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 340x312px

>Dutch
>Not Spanish rape babies

File: Barbarossa_Hayreddin_Pasha.jpg (298KB, 650x853px) Image search: [Google]

298KB, 650x853px

>>2924427
since your list is limited to land armies, honourable mention to Barbarossa

File: 1390875341742.png (259KB, 480x337px) Image search: [Google]

259KB, 480x337px

AND NOW, GLOBALISATION!

File: 800px-Portuguese_discoveries_and_explorationsV2en.png (165KB, 800x370px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 800x370px

>>2925694
they had so much going for them in the 15th/16th centuries, what went wrong?

were they simply too small to consolidate control over such a vast number of forts/posts/settlements?

>tfw no Portuguese Raj (apart from Goa)
>tfw no Portuguese West Africa
>tfw no Portuguese East Indies (apart from Timor)

>>2923672
Most diverse period of military armament.

The birth of the modern state.

Time period when modern economy took off outside of a few free cities and Italian city states.

Middle Ages is too primitive and boring. 18th century is too stuffy, socially stratified, and the fashions were ridiculous.

File: Pete the great.jpg (90KB, 365x268px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 365x268px

Is this the most interesting time in history?
There is so much going on and there is so much written about it.

Had fucking godly monarchs during this period if not godly very interesting at least.

Big Pete
Augustus the strong and his swarm of bastards
Charlie the 12th Last of the Vikings
Lizzy the Virgin Queen

and so much more.

New world fun

File: Ships.jpg (32KB, 394x280px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 394x280px

Daily reminder that ships looked majestic af

>>2924838
There is an excellent read regarding all this: "The army of Flanders and the Spanish road" by Geoffrey Parker.
It explains how these armies were created and sustained, and the overall transport of the supplies and payments through vast territories.

Only to entry level / elementary school readers is early modern period overlooked

It really goes to show the /his/ demographic

I know in elementary school there's a weird gap between 16th and 18th century, but that's easy to get past

>>2924838
It isn't really surprising that all English sources would be, until recently, wildly anti-Spanish and anti-Hapsburg. You can nearly see the historians furiously masturbating as they describe the modern, scientific Dutch or Swedes massacring the backwards, medieval Spanish or Austrians.

When, of course, they all used the same strategies to different degrees and the Spanish basically pioneered everything.

>>2926205
It didn't really go wrong, except for Brazil which got sept up in the Latin American independence wars and them not being no.1 in the indies, but still pretty infulential.

>>2926273
There's something very insidious about the fact that my country was founded in the 17th century, yet anything before 1760 might as well have been prehistory as far as state mandated education is concerned.

>>2926279
Because everything before the French revolution has to be portrayed as an opressive hellhole at schools

File: Rubens_Medusa.jpeg.jpg (180KB, 1200x690px) Image search: [Google]

180KB, 1200x690px

Don't wanna sidetrack, but do you guys know any good novels like Neil Stevenson's Baroque Cycle?

File: 800px-Žygimont_Stary._Жыгімонт_Стары_(K._Aleksandrovič,_1788).jpg (161KB, 800x956px) Image search: [Google]

161KB, 800x956px

>>2926251
What I love is despite all the monarchies, there was so much dynastic turnover and different royal families, and these rulers were actually on the battlefield

unlike by the late 19th century when it seems like all the families were so entrenched/insular and very closely related, and you had chunky empires instead of comfy little duchies and principalities all over the place

>>2924799

That is a good song, but not as good as the superior song of the Landsknecht.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Z6Aez6T3c

>>2926322
I can agree, I just love monarchs. Something about these great people that can improve or hurt their countries through sheer will amazes me.

How a monarch lives knowing they will die and have to pass everything onto their son as their father did to them. When it comes down to it all the good they do in life can be taken away by doing bad in death.

>>2926322
>>2926331
The feudal system is delightfully complicated and could lead to some very dramatic scenario's, normally onlyseen in fiction. LIke the war of the roses.

>>2926333
All of history seems to end up being some near fiction shit when you look at it closely.

The Troubles in Russia after Ivan the terrible died were pretty dramatic.

The war of the Three Henry's in France was amusing.

Casere Borgia's entire life was anime tier

Tomorrow, 350 years ago, the Dutch set sail on a daring raid straight up the Thames and the river Medway, burning down the anglo fleet and stealing the prized flagship HMS Royal Charles. Never had perfidious Albion suffered such a humiliating defeat on the seas!

Truly this was the golden era of history.

>>2926358
But anon, that was the Glorious Revolution.

>>2926432
Not this shit again.

>>2926432
fuck, I completely forgot England had a civil war and then a REPUBLIC in this era

>>2924427
>no pappenheim
>no Grande Conde

>>2924427
They are indeed objectively modern era military commanders.

>>2926445

I can't see why you have deluded yourself into thinking it's anything other than parliament choosing some dutch body to fill the throne because the heir is a fucking catholic, and giving him the go ahead to come on over.

Really, it's actually sad that you people keep this up, like so many disabled puppies walking uphill.

>>2923729

the protestants are basically conceptual WEWUZ

Am I the only one here who got into history because much Dartanian in childhood?

File: Siege_of_Nöteborg_(1702).jpg (2MB, 2156x1391px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2156x1391px

I prefer the tricorn era that followed

>>2928773
*d'Artagnan, mon ami étrange et étranger.

File: images (17).jpg (10KB, 275x183px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 275x183px

>>2929403
>be 10 years old
>move to other country, change 3 schools in 3 years
>be mostly alone
>ride bicycle imagine its a horse
>sit on a bus imagine it's a carriage
>the school building is the Luvre
>walk around with an umbrella imagine it's your rapier
>imagine a bully wanting to beat your up is a cardinal's guard and you gonna duel with him
Remembering this shit makes me half nostalgic half depressed

>>2929556
Jesus, Anon - good thing your imaginary parallel childhood reality was well-chosen.

>Spanish hegemony
Hats,capes,moustaches and armor
>French hegemony
Heel,whigs and shaved
Why were the Spanish so much more /fa/ than the French?

File: 18_15i4c.jpg (29KB, 600x400px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 600x400px

>>2929562
Thank you.

Cont.
>read queen Margo
>befriend few smaller kids, all of them various rejects from school society
>tech them about the night of saint bartholomew
>not sure they get it but now you can play trying to stab each other and escape trough imaginary roofs

>>2923772
Dam right

File: Henry_II_of_France..jpg (162KB, 462x630px) Image search: [Google]

162KB, 462x630px

>>2929579
It's a matter of the times and its trends

Early modern France was on point with the facial hair and caps...and Spain embraced wigs by the end of the 18th century

Why the ancien regime aristocracy was borderline cross-dressing I do not know

File: Europe_c._1700.png (1MB, 1550x1118px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1550x1118px

>>2928938
Thing is, you could consider this era the late early modern period, since most don't consider modernity (as we understand it...the high modern era?) to begin until the French Revolution, or at least the American Revolution
>but i've also heard 1648 and Westphalia since that was such a huge turning point, and led to the modern conception of states. still too early though imo

so that leaves a good chunk of the 18th century where - fashion, the Enlightenment, and technology aside - much of society and the geopolitical landscape in Europe was pretty similar to what had been going on for the previous two centuries

it's like the 15th century, where there was a lot of overlap between the Middle Ages and the Early Modern
>and trying to decide concrete start/end dates to such large periods is near-impossible

File: 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333.jpg (70KB, 700x694px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 700x694px

>>2923772
Hussites and their wars (from the crusades to the civil ones) were a fucking tragedy to the max, which is why i love them. But socially and scientifically they did lack the most of the stuff which occurred in the 16th century to the end of the deluge.

Hey real question? Did armies carry extra pikes and in case of low numbers did Say lansknechts or swiss equip their skirmishers with pikes to combat in the great push?

>>2928938
Tricorn hats are smart, but powdered wigs are just heinous.

>>2931308
Missile troops- bows, crossbows and especially harquebuzers- were specialists and were usually better paid than the pikers, so probably not.