What the actual fuck, I'm not racist but...

horses

"""Aryan"""

>>2922673
this is a shit and wrong map

>>2922673
>the Middle East and North Africa
The first civilizations were started by semetic people. Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, and Phoenicians were not indo-European

>They civilized China
okay... now i know this is bait?

>>2922699
What is wrong about it?

I'm curious

>>2922703
>Semetic

Out, you have no clue

Either way the Sumer were cousins of Indoeuros

nobody really knows about the summerians
but the indus valley peeps were probably brown
and the peoples of the sea were probably related to modern north caucasians (dagestani, chechen and the likes, they are white but considered monkeys by the indoeuropean slavs)

>>2922831
>and the peoples of the sea were probably related to modern north caucasians (dagestani, chechen and the likes

lol what the fuck am i reading?

>>2922708
>Zagros hunter gatherers, Kuwaiti fishermen, and Iraqi farmers were cousins of Ukrainian hunter gatherers and Caucasian hunter gatherers

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>>2922855
>>2922708
So, are you relating this to pic related?

>>2922866

I can't see how since Near Eastern HG's were not R1b-L23, and neither were Caucasus HG's, which in turn were not at all similar to Ukrainian HG's.

>>2922892
When did L23 move into Mesopotamia? Around the Hittite arrival, 2500BC-2000BC?

>>2922848
idk, but you should be reading works on nostratic linguistics by Starostin and Diakonoff

>>2922925
Regardless of that we don't even know what language sea peoples spoke and there are no elements that connect them to the caucasus

>>2922673
Non Indo-Europeans had civilization for thousands of years before the migration.

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>>2922848
just to get you started

>>2922866
why is italy always a fucking genetic cesspool

>>2922950
>italy
The concept of Italy is a modern convention, it was never a homogeneous peninsula.

>>2922673
Cuz Indoeuropeans rule the world.

>>2922949
Etruscans were not sea peoples, they didn't even exist as a civilization in 1200 bc

>>2922989
I kinda though Tyrrhenians were the Etruscans, but now I see that's a hypothesis

>>2922963
in comparison to everywhere else, no

>>2923012
Tyrrenians themselves is a vague term just like Pelasgians which it's difficult to say what people it actually designated and it's hard tot ell what is true and false about the stories which concern them

The Tursha among the sea peoples being Tyrrenians is even more debatable since they are just mentioned by Egyptians along with other sea peoples without even details about them other than their name so the similarity is just based on the name which is vaguely similar to Tyrrhenians, and TRS/Tursha could be people from Tarsus in Cilicia for all we know

>>2922673
at 2500 BC Europe was well behind in technological development compared to the middle east, india and china, which took them over 3000 years to bridge.
painting history with such broad strokes as to lump your kin with people half a world away is pathetic.

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>>2923106
More like 500 years to bridge

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>>2923106
also
>china


lol, Minoans predate Chinese civilization by almost 1000 years

>>2923117
Greece wasn't exactly representative of the situation in Europe.

>Vinca
>Bronze

>>2923106
>3000

>>2923160
it appears i over generalized based on Germanic iron age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

at any rate, excluding Greece and its isles, we can agree that the majority of Europe was by no means ahead of its time by 2500BC, as OP seems to suggest.

>>2923202
Indoeurope=/=Europe

>all Indo Europeans
>Aryans
Why did you lie and make this up?

>>2923202
>at any rate, excluding Greece and its isles, we can agree that the majority of Europe was by no means ahead of its time by 2500BC, as OP seems to suggest.

we certainly can't agree to this, sure there were more advanced regions but the global average was lower than the European average.

>>2923224
i hold that indu european is invoked mainly for WESUZism.

>>2923252
alright. enlighten me, if you please.

>>2922673
>China
What?

>>2923480
The first Chinese emperors were Indo-European

>>2923262

Enlighten you on what? That Europe 4,000 years ago was more advanced than Somalia 4,000 years ago? Read a book you cretinous nigger.

>>2923483
>The first Chinese emperors were Indo-European
Don't you wewuzzers ever get bored?

>>2923483
I was gonna laugh but then I remembered some of you unironically believe this.

>>2923145
And Bronze Age Crete was representative of Greece for that matter.

>>2923549
*wasn't, fuck

>>2923483
Do you think this because Tocharians existed?

>>2923532
African population was negligible compared to Asian population.
Since Indian and the booming middle east were superior to the cave dwelling Europeans of the time, it doesn't seem self evident at all that Europe was even ahead of the average.

>>2923549
mhhm.

>>2923532
Also, as it appears, by 2400 BC the inhabitants of nowadays Somalia were already graced by bronze wielding statehood, something that cannot be said for the vast majority of Europeans of that time.
Fill in curse words as you see fit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bronze_Age_states#Europe

>>2923610
Ancient Somalia was a semitic civilization. Then they race mixed with blacks and the rest, as they say, is history.

>>2923117
>More like 500 years to bridge
He's talking about most of Europe. That's like using China to wewuz the rest of Asia.

>>2922673
Sino sphere being worked by anyone but hard working sino man and sino lady
>kek

>>2923853
somalis have been mixed for thousands of years before agriculture.

>>2923558
>Since Indian and the booming middle east were superior to the cave dwelling Europeans of the time

2,500BC? Are you sure about that? I'll give you a clue: You're an idiot.

>African population was negligible compared to Asian population

But not compared with European population.

>>2923978
your words are very hurtful, ill give you that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation
https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Europe/The-Bronze-Age

>>2923875
citation needed

>>2924065

Indus Valley is a tiny minority of India, China was still neolithic, meanwhile Europe had the largest cities on Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

>>2923978
You're kidding, right? Outside the Minoans, the rest of Europe had nothing on the scale of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Iran. To say nothing of the IVC and Dynastic Nubia as well? For fucks sake, even peninsular Arabs had a civilization.

>>2924135
>Indus Valley is a tiny minority of India
Which is irrelevant. It's a part of the Indian Sub-continent which is a cultural sphere.
>China was still neolithic
And had settlements similar to Europe.
>Europe had the largest cities on Earth.
Still not a civilization. By this logic, the Aztec were more advance than almost all of Eurasia since Tenochititlan was bigger than most capital cities at the time.

>>2922673
WE

>>2924174

Did I say they were more advanced than anyone else? No, you thick lying prick, I did not. I said they were more advanced than the global average, which they undoubtedly were. Go be a lying sack of shit somewhere else, you complete cunt.

>>2924206
Very sneaky but you literally tried to disprove >>2923558 anon's claim of how the Near East + India was more advance than Europe. There is nothing in those posts that suggest a relative global statistic.

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>>2924118
If horners are mixed then so are Iberians,Sicilians, Finns, Japanese and other groups not needed to mention.

>>2924278
citation needed

>>2924174
>Even Arabs had civilizations

No

>>2923610
Lol

A list with Alba longa and sicani in it, this is beyond retarded, let's add cloud coo coo land and atlantis when we're at it

>>2924372
fair point.
can you suggest a better one?

>>2923610
I think such a retarded article should be banished from wikipedia, I can't even wrap my mind about how much it's retarded

>Pelasgia

The fuck is this? There is no recorded state named Pelasgia in Europe, the Mycenean Greeks are called Ahhyawa and seem to have hada king so I don't really agree with putting city states there but I can tolerate it

>Alba Longa

Recorded in Roman legends 1000 years after its supposed foundation,a rchaeology tells that there were only villages there in the early iron age, let alone the bronze age

>Phryigia

Actually only dates back to the early iron age and was in Anatolia, not in Europe, though the invading Phrigians came from Europe

>sea peopels

This is by far one of the most retarded things on the list, sea peoples were a confederacy of allied invading pirates and migrating populations, not a state

>Sicani

No states or cities in kingdom and Sicani are not recorded anyone, maybe Sicels but it's debated and they were not a state but a tribe anyway

>Thrace

No states there, only scattered farming villages

>Colchis

Never mentioned in the bronze age, only mentioned by classical Greeks

>Cimmeria

never recorded n the bronze age


It's full of other retarded claims but I exposed some of the most stupid ones

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>>2922673
Xol'up,
so you bee sayin,
we wuz masterrace i govno?

>>2924476
Yes, a list without them would be a good start

Also a list without Ethiopia in it, since there is no evidence of civilization there until the iron age

and Punt (Somalia) was the designation of a region but it seems more like a tribal kingdom, i don't think it counts as a state

>>2922831
North Caucasians look white but they're genetically different from Europeans

Indo-europeans were first master Iron and Horses.
Not writing.
We were dominators, rulers and conquerors.

>>2922673
Um no sweetie, the early Indo-Europeans copied everything from Etruscans, Minoans, Mesopotamians, Phoenicians, Egyptians

>>2924500
>the first masters of iron

the first masters of iron were in Anatolia and predate the Hittitie rule, they were people who spoke a Caucasus like language+ the Assyrain colonists in Eastern Anatolia, there is some evidence of early iron smelting in Mesopotamia too so maybe it was the Assyrians who brought the knowledge to Eastern Anatolia, or more probably it was born there, either way Indoeuropeans didn't smelt it first

Hittites were Indo-Europeans.
'Member?
Google Danube Valley civ, that predates EVERYTHING.

>>2924506
Hittites probably originated in Anatolia. They didn't migrate from anywhere.
This is fact going by archeology claims that Indo-europeans originated in and around Anatolia.

>>2924329
I poking fun at the arbitrary threshold that makes no sense.

>>2924517
The most recent accredited theory states that the proto indoeuropeans originated somewhere between Eastern Ukraine and Southern Russia

>>2924509
>Hittites were Indo-Europeans

And they copied Hattians and Mesopotamians

>Danube Valley civ

Not Indo-European

>>2924521
Not going by archeology.
Which claims it's more in north eastern Anatolia/Caucasus.
But there's also the fact that Black Sea was shallower "around that time".

My idea is that they came from what is now half under water and rest around modern black sea.
As in a steppe people that also went fishing.
Exploration in our genes.

>>2924486
>>2924476

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the actual root of all your stupid sentiments and endless arguing is an el dumbo belifo that the achievements of muh ancestors has anything to do with your worthless lives, anonhotep
you don't accumulate architectural, artistic, scientific, etc. achievements in your fucking jeans and your identity is nothing to do with anything of any worth
if anything, it makes you even more worthless since you fail by comparison and you had plenty if time to build a fucking notre dumb

>>2924702
Yes one without those