ITT: countries that ruled the waves

>>2921548
Majapahit/srivijaya/SEA in general

Athens

>>2921551
>>2921562
yes.

Song, Tang, and Ming Dynasty navies.

Rome and early Byzantium.

>>2921548
cholas with 1100 naval warships.

>>2922290
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy
Most autistic wiki article I've read in a while. Are Dravidians the real wewuzzers?

>>2921548
Genoa

>>2922425
I also heard the Chola Empire map on Wikipedia is a big exaggeration.

But Dravidians actually wuz, though.

>>2921912
>Rome and early Byzantium.
Funny. I heard those were land powers.

>>2921548
You forgot Carthage's dad, Phoenicia.

>>2921548
>Carthage ruled the waves
>a fucking thalassocracy losing a was to utter landlubbers
The only thing Carthage was is a disgrace. If you wanted to have a sea power from antiquity use Rhodes or Athens instead.

>>2922729
>I heard those were land powers.
Rome still had a monopoly on sea power from Oresund to the southernmost coasts of Morocco, all Mediterranean (also some Red Sea and Persian Gulf at times) included. They definitely ruled the waves even if it wasn't their focus.
Byzantium had a spotty record with lots of ups and downs, but eh it probably still counts considering there weren't other real organized navies at the times, just raiders.

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>>2922425
WE WUZ COMPASS N SHIET

>>2922729
The Mediterranean was called mare nostrum for a reason

>>2922729
after punic wars and with the conquest of greece Rome had the total supremacy on the mediterranium, they still had a lot of problems with piracy tho, probably for the reason you said, it was a land power and their control of the sea was a direct consequence of it, they have never been a mainly naval nation like Phoenicia and Carthage

>>2922826
This. Rome turned the Med. into it's private lake.

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>>2922445
You mean this one?

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>>2922800
You do understand Carthage was a dominant power for centuries before the Punic Wars, right? Every empire eventually falls.

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>>2923928
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
Hannibal was great.

>>2923928
>carthage
>empire
lol

>>2923963
"Carthage was thePhoeniciancity-stateofCarthageand during the 7th to 3rd centuries BC, included its sphere of influence, theCarthaginian Empire. The empire extended over much of the coast ofNorth Africaas well as encompassing substantial parts of coastalIberiaand the islands of the westernMediterranean Sea"

>>2921548
>Carthage
>Rome isn't on the list

MARE NOSTRVM

>>2923959
If only Carthage gave him actual support.

>>2923974
still not an empire

>>2921551
>Srivijaya
yes
>Majapahit
no

>>2923986
Empire: a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom

>>2923997
carthage is a kingdom

>>2924013
How were they a kingdom if by 480 bc the government had two elected suffetes, aristocratic council (tribunal of 104) and an assembly representing the people.