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The Roman Empire ended in 1453 Deal with it

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The Roman Empire ended in 1453

Deal with it
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>>291601

The Roman Empire didn't end until 1806 you idiot.
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The Roman Empire never ended.
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>>291601
I like to think about it as passing the torch. Firat Romr, then russia, then Usa
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>>291607

>A bunch of Germanss
>Roman

no.
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>>291610
my nigga
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>>291601
Not Roman
Not and empire
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>>291628

How in any way was the torch passed to you murikuck?
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>>291635

>bunch of greeks
>roman

no.
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>>291650

>The Eastern Roman Empire wasn't Roman or an Empire

I think you may have gotten confused with the Holy Roman Empire due to inhaling too many memes and not actually knowing shit about history.
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>>291610
You might sort of be joking, but the Roman empire lives on in the form of places like America, Germany, and France. We're all the cultural inheritors of the empire that made the world that we now inhabit.
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>>291628
Russia never got any torch. The Slavs are the least of Rome's successors, and they certainly don't deserve any of Rome's legacy after that shit show of a revolution and century of evil.
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>>291673
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>>291601
What's with the cups? Are they poisoning themselves because they're losing a fight or are they just getting wasted?
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>>291673

Greek was one of the main languages of the old Western Empire too.
So was nobody Roman then?

I don't know why this is such an issue on 4chan when it isn't even up for debate amongst actual historians.
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>>291673
Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit
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>>291695
People who spoke Latin and lived in the area around the city of Rome in modern day Italy were Romans
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>>291702

So the Roman Empire covered Rome itself and nothing else according to you?

You talk shit. In the same way more than one cultural and language group is considered British (English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish) more than one language and cultural group was considered Roman namely Greek and Latin.
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>>291675
Or he could just be joking. Lighten up, aspie.
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>>291676
I'm never joking when I'm talking about the Roman Empire.

That's a lie. But I'm being serious now.
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>>291732m

>He doesn't have serious debates on 4chan

seriously get out.
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>>291724
You're talking out of your ass. Romans were highly prejudiced against Greeks during the Republican and early imperial eras, viewing them as degenerates. This disdain for Greeks remained common among the Roman aristocracy until the fall of the Western empire. As well, it lived on in the Catholic church and in the west, who came to view the Byzantines (ie. Greeks) as excessively indulgent people
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Tell me where the break in the continuity is from the Roman Empire to the "Byzantine" Roman Empire?

If it is when the capitol was moved to Constantinople, you must know that the imperial residence had been in various cities for a long time; Milan, Nicomedia. So that means the Roman empire almost fell before it began.
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Roman dignity ended in 410.
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>>291754
>"Byzantine" Roman Empire?
Heraclius making Greek the official language of the empire, or even before, it could be said that the eastern empire never truly was roman except for the few aristocrats who moved from the west
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>>291749

That's horseshit and you know it. Greeks were about the only people Romans viewed as being on the same level as them.
The fucking Roman Gods were Greek for fuck's sake, and Greek language was extensively used in both east and west.

The Catholic Church has nothing to do with ancient Rome's perception of Greeks. The Church disliked the Byzantines for completley different reasons, mainly because they viewed them as heretics after the Schism. It had nothing to do with "hurr dey greek so we hate dem."
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>>291769
>That's horseshit and you know it. Greeks were about the only people Romans viewed as being on the same level as them.
Is this nigga serious?
>The fucking Roman Gods were Greek for fuck's sake
No.
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>>291749
>This disdain for Greeks remained common among the Roman aristocracy until the fall of the Western empire

Are you merely pretending to be retarded? Cato the Elder was the rare exception and after him few Roman nobles were against Greek culture. Shit, Roman emperors began to grow beards just to look like Greek philosophers.
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>>291769
Again you're talking out of your ass. You're going against actual primary sources and scholarship. Read a book then come back and try again
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>>291802
>Scipio Africanus was apparently the first among the Romans who shaved his beard. However, after that point, shaving seems to have caught on very quickly, and soon almost all Roman men were clean-shaven; being clean-shaven became a sign of being Roman and not Greek.
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>>291802
I said >remained common, so you are the one who is retarded. And emperors=/=senatorial ie aristocratic class. They often held vastly different views from the emperor himself
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>>291801

If you did something as simple as googling "Roman perceptions of Greece" you'd find out how you are wrong

>no

literally yes. They were Greek Gods with different names. This is primary school level shit.
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>>291802
Nah man, he's right. I think you can find what he says in Martial
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>>291815

You should read a book since you are the one who is wrong.
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>>291601
Spengler says Rome ended in 226 A.D
It was a Caliphate after that
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>>291827
No. They equated their gods with Greek gods, but did the same thing with every other culture they ran into to.
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>>291760
Roman Dignity ended on the 15th of March 44 BC
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>>291827
>literally yes. They were Greek Gods with different names. This is primary school level shit.
yea you sure sound like you have a primary school understanding of Roman faith.
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>>291684
i was referring to tsarist russia
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>>291875

prove me wrong
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>>291827
>literally yes. They were Greek Gods with different names. This is primary school level shit.
Literally no, they were assimilated to the old latin gods, which shared a common indoeuropean origin with the greek ones.
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>>291749
Romans admired greeks and roman aristocracy spoke greek in the same way romanovs spoke french not russian with one another.

contempt for greeks did existed but Hellenes were seen as equals, even pre hadrian
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>>291754
The Crisis of the Third Century was the real end of Rome. The Dominate was a grotesque imitation.
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The Roman Empire ended in 535
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The Roman Empire never existed.
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>>291915
>were seen as equals, even pre hadrian

Nope. Not pre or post hadrian. As i said, the views of the emperor =/= views of the senators/aristocracy. 'Greek' was synonymous with excessive indulgence from the days of the Republic to the fall of the western empire.
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The Roman Empire was an African state.
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>>291970
It was actually Indian. Most historians agree on this.
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>>291850
Nah man the Saxons and Celts worshiped Mars lmao
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>>291948
roman aristocracy spoke to one another in greek, read works in greek and wrote in greek

the contempt was in a similar way americans hating on europe but being jealous of their culture / art, in other words they mocked greeks for their lack of political skills but imitated them on a cultural level.

this phihellenism started around -300, way before hadrian.

I know arguing with you is pointless but if you want to hear the other side check out A. Wardman, 1976. Rome's debt to Greece and E. Badian, 1970. Titus Quinctius Flamininus: Philhellenism and Realpolitik.

Anti greek writers etc did existed, but they were in a minority don't attribute what Cato said to every roman.
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>>292017
>spoke to one another in greek

No. Please kill yourself
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>>291610

>no civil law
>no Romantic language
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The Roman Empire ended in 1923.
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>>292195
What happened in 1923
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The Roman Empire lives in our hearts and minds
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>>292201
The Roman Empire ended
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No the Roman empire has continued. There were at least a dozen attempts to ressurect the RE in the last thousand years like Charlemagne, Napoleon's, Hitler ect.
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The Mongol Empire ended in 1924

Deal with it
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Only the French are white enough to be true successors to the Roman empire. All other European countries have become brown due to immigration.
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I would have said that the Roman Empire ended at 476 AD due to the ERE being distinct enough from the WRE but why do historians use the Byzantine line of emperors along with the Roman ones pre split? If there is an unbroken line of emperors then I feel that the empire itself has continued despite massive cultural and linguistic changes.
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The Roman Empire was always ruled and governed by a succession of sub-saharan Africans.
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>>292329
France is the least white western european country. Its literally ~10% fucking muslim, and has a shit ton of niggers beside that.
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>>291601
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>>292383
>France the least white
>Not Spain which was occupied by Muslims for years
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>>292383
I can confirm with pic related.
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>>292387
>tfw the marble emperor will never rise from the earth and save us from the mudslimes when we need it the most
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>>292329
>mediterraneans
>pure 6"5 aryan race
kek
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>>292395
Yeah more than 600 years ago. During the reconquista and inquisition they kicked them out
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>>292468
Yeah and I bet that NO woman was raped over that time
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>>292475
Theres no evidence that any significant amount of women were raped. Theres also no significant genetic legacy of the muslims who lived there
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>>292558
Whatever you say, Alejandro
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>>291601
>Roman
>No Rome

Toppest of keks m8, a bunch of Greeks keeping a splinter state of what was once the Roman empire alive doesn't make them Roman.
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>>291601

In 476 AD, the city of Rome became a non-autonomous entity led by a foreign king.

R.I.P. Roman Empire 509 BC - 476 AD
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>holy
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the roman empire ended when the ottoman sultanate was abolished in 1922. mehmed II declared himself the "ceaser of rome" after the capture of Constantinople. the ottoman empire continued on the roman style of governance.
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The Roman Empire fell in 1920 with the Ottomans

Deal with it.
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Rome died when Caesar overthrew the Republic.
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>>292139
>he thinks the Romans spoke Latin
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>>293246
I want patricians to go and stay go.

Pleb4Life
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>>293246
Caesar did not overthrow the Republic.

He was not the first to become sole ruler of the Republic, and, as happened the other times, the traditional mechanisms of the Republic came back into operation when he no longer held power.
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>>291601

It really ended with the Latin Empire in 1203. The various states claiming the Byzantine throne were independent states and were the legitimate heirs to the Empire.
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>>291601
Shitty Federalism.
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>>291628
forgot England
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>>291607
>HRE fags
Voltaire was right
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>>293942
The Byzantines weren't Roman either, but they thought of themseles as Roman.

The Roman Empire wasn't about Rome or empire. It was an idea. An idea that has survived unbroken to this day.
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>>291601
>byzantine keks
>roman
you must be turkish
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>>292195
This t b h
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>>294029
They were romans at least according to the muslim world though and the roman empire ended in 1923
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>>293291
Wat
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>>293246
>not best monarchy
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>>293042

Somebody should just take that plank and toss it aside.
What's that supposed to depict anyway? Like are they boarding a city or something?
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>>291673

A bunch of Romans who called themselves Roman and their language Roman were Romans. A bunch of Germans who were never a part of the Roman Empire who spoke German are not Romans.

>I don't know why this is such an issue on 4chan when it isn't even up for debate amongst actual historians.

Its not up for debate, anyone with even the slightest knowledge in Roman history knows that the "Byzantines" were Roman. Its just poltards trying to claim civilization for >Muh Germans >muh Nordics
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>>292403

I feel this pain deeply

>>292585

>The eastern Roman Empire wasnt Roman

nice meme
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>>292403

I feel this pain deeply

>>292585

>The eastern Roman Empire wasnt Roman

nice meme

>>293246

Also this
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>>294342
>>294343

Shit how did this happen.
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>The USA is Rome

Best meme of 2015
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>>293327
best possible reply
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>>294168
Just some Romans chimping out in Carthage
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>there are people who don't hold the Holy ROMAN Empire as the official and legitimate successor to the Roman Empire as a whole, after 1453
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>>291601
It ended in 284. :^)
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The Roman empire never existed it was just a prank.
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>>295267
>there are people who don't hold the Russian Empire as the official and legitimate successor to the Roman Empire as a whole, after 1453, since the Tsar married the last Roman princess
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>>294337
The Franks started out as Roman subjects, and the HRE was originally named the Roman Empire. But that Empire is significantly different from the one after the end of the Carolingians.

>>295591
That argument is actually worse than the Sultan claiming right by conquest.
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>>294168
When the Romans stormed Carthage there was a lot of urban fighting and they had to cross between roofs on boards to kill everyone at the same time as they moved through the streets
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>>293246
WE HAVE LOSSTT RRDRDRDRRROOOMME
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>>293246
>Optimates are still this mad ~2000 years after
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>>294004
ALL ROADS MOTHERFUCKER.

I agree. A large territory united in the welfare of its heart, from which all power and wealth flows. Basically a modern nation, if we're simplifying.

>“Rome is our king , Lord Orobazus , though we give Rome the feminine form, Roma, and speak of Rome as 'her' and 'she.'

>The Greeks subordinated themselves to an ideal. You subordinate yourselves to one man, your king. But we Romans subordinate ourselves to Rome, and only to Rome. We bend the knee to no one human, Lord Orobazus, any more than we bend it to the abstraction of an ideal.

>Rome is our god, our king, our very lives. And though each Roman strives to enhance his own reputation, strives to be great in the eyes of his fellow Romans, in the long run it is all done to enhance Rome, and Rome's greatness.

>We worship a place, Lord Orobazus. Not a man. Not an ideal. Men come and go, their terms on earth are fleeting. And ideals shift and sway with every philosophical wind. But a place can be eternal as long as those who live in that place care for it, nurture it, make it even greater. I, Lucius Cornelius Sulla, am a great Roman. But at the end of my life, whatever I have done will have gone to swell the might and majesty of my place Rome.
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The roman empire is still going strong in the vatican
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>>294337
>A bunch of Romans who called themselves Roman and their language Roman were Romans. A bunch of Germans who were never a part of the Roman Empire who spoke German are not Romans.
They're not Romans but they still represent the Roman Empire due to being led by the Emperor of Rome crowned by the Bishop of Rome who has the legitimacy to bestow that title.
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>>296464
>crowned by the Bishop of Rome who has the legitimacy to bestow that title
top lel
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>>296464
>the Bishop of Rome who has the legitimacy to bestow that title.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>296042
I'm getting such a hard on right now.

Was there any civilization that served an idea rather than a man any more so than Rome? China was always about serving those above you in the Confucian hierarchy.
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Some of the comments in this thread are making sweeping generalisations about what Romans thought over periods of hundreds of years... You can't assume the same cultural outlook for someone living in the Republic at the time of Scipio Africanus as someone living in the Empire of the second or third centuries AD.

For example think of the changing attitudes of the British to the Germans or the Russians over the last 300 years. Cousins, rivals, allies, mortal enemies, mates again, enemies again...
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>>291610
As related to Rome as a primitive amazonian jungle tribe.
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>>297087
>implying Rome didn't invent the idea of a nation-state to which everyone serves, more so than they serve any one man
>implying that every nation-state ever since hasn't explicitly been trying to imitate Rome
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>>297112
So basically the USA is a cheap imitation of Rome?

And no, it was invented in Athens.
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>>297146
Athenians created the repbulic which took the power out of kings, kings that monopolized national identities up until that point. It was Rome that took the next step in creating a strong national identity that went beyond any one person or group of people. The idea of Rome went so far as to become synonymous with human civilization.
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>>297165
>kings that monopolized national identities up until that point. It was Rome that took the next step in creating a strong national identity that went beyond any one person or group of people. The idea of Rome went so far as to become synonymous with human civilization.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm not sure that even you know what you're talking about,,,
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>>297199
Nation building. Rome had the strongest national identity that went well beyond anything up to that point.
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>>297217
And you base that on what? How was their identity stronger than the greek one for example?
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>>296042

>“I am Rome, Lord Orobazus. So is every single man who calls himself a Roman..."

It's patriotism done right.
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>>297300
For one it lasted much longer. Also it was so strong that the people of Constantinople called themselves Roman. That's a powerful national identity.
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>>293042
Any more work by this artist?
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>>298004
I'm not sure, I just saved this picture in google images. Reverse image search for the name, I don't know that either.
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The roman Empire simply became the church. Therefore it never ended.
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>>293042
>509 BC
>empire

you

fucking

what
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>>298477
The Roman Empire simply became the nation-state. Therefore it never ended.
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
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>>300001

No romans, no Rome 2: Total War. My fav game. So there's that.

Oh and the aqueducts.
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>>291601
Over 1 billion people all over the world, 17.3% of the world population.
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