A key reminder.

>>2908682
when this wewuz meme will finally be over and people will start being proud of their personal achievements, studying the past and being inspired by different eras and civilizations instead of looking at a better moment of "their own civilization" and simply saying "muh ancestor" as if they were part of it.

>>2908682
No European has claimed to be a part of Persian or Indian civilization. However these are all indo-European civilizations that have many similarities.

As for Southern Europeans vs other Europeans, Rome spanned a large area and celts where absolutely sharers in Classical civilization. Also you have nations like Russia which by virtue of their conversion to Orthodoxy by the Eastern Roman Empire share in Greco-Roman civilization.

According to genetics Sardians and Portuguese are closer related to carthaginians than modern North Africans.

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Maybe I don't come to this board nearly enough but I have rarely every seen anyone claiming that the men of these civilizations were "aryan" or white.

>>2908682
AYO NIGGA THE ROMANZ AND GREEAKS WERE BLACK. WHACHU DALKING ABOUT SON?

You forgot Sumeria, Babylonia, and China

>>2908850
Nobody does except this retard. He does this same shit on /int/ as well. I don't understand why he hasn't been banned yet. He posts literally nothing worthwhile.

>>2908843

> According to genetics Sardians and Portuguese are closer related to carthaginians than modern North Africans.

Canaanites were found to be both different from modern Lebanese and closest to modern Assyrians among the sampled populations (and not Palestinians).

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>>2908682
Euros can claim Phoenicians easily

Especially Iberians, Sardinians and Sicilians

>>2909023
Levantine Arabs and north Africans are more rightful for that

>>2909030
>North Africans

No.

>>2909023
>South Spain
>South Italy
They're pretty much half arabs anyway

>>2909023

They didn't found Carthage, Phoencia, or were actually Carthaginians.

>>2909033

If north Africans can't then Iberians, Sardinians and Sicilians sure as shit can't.

Is the "Persians were more similar to Europeans 2500 years ago" claim substantiated at all? It's possible they were more like eastern slavs/original IE peoples but I've no clue as to how true that is. Please "red pill" me /his/

>>2909036
Phoenicia isn't a city, I don't know how you can found a loosely defined region in the Levant.

Also their ancestors were Phoenicians so they did come from Phoenician (especially from Tyre)

>>2909037
Explain why

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>>2909033

And what were those North Africans?

>>2909053
As you can see from your own picture modern North Africans are 1/4 negroid

>>2909048
They're all just Phoenician colony, either count them all or only Levantine are the Phoenicians

>>2909048

>Carthaginians weren't migrants who used already settled North Africans and Euros as goons.

>>2909035
>Sardinia
>Arabs
Nice meme.

>>2909064
Carthaginians displaced the locals mercilessly and resettled the regions they colonized

>>2909067
Sardinians are arabs in the sense that they are genetically identical to Levantine arabs (in the past known as Phoenicians/Canaanites), the same goes for South Iberians and Sicilians

>>2909058

And yet the Ancient Egyptians were apparently close to select Bedouins and Palestinians.

>>2908682
Why u mad Ahmed shouldn't you be getting in your truck around London

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>>2908682
>Hebrews

South Italians and Greeks can easily claim that heritage as well

>>2909069

> Carthaginians displaced the locals mercilessly

And where this great North African to.Spanish genocide mentioned?

>>2909099

Only if their Ashkenazi Jews. And besides, Samaritians with Mizrahi Jews are around.

>>2909101
Look at the Spanish today, the Greeks first recorded them as tall, blonde celts and we know they were celts, then they were displaced by Levantines, same thing happened in Sardinia and Sicily (in Sicily we had Italio-celts, in Sardinia we had Iberian like celts)

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>>2909111
lol. The genetic impact is a minority, which indicates that 'colonization' wasn't as widespread enough to make them similar or identical to Levantines. The populations of Spain and Portugal haven't really changed much at all.

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>>2909071

>WE

No. Sardinians aren't MENAs. And Spain from avaliable evidence has long had an affinity to North Africa.

>>2909111
>in Sardinia we had Iberian like celts
No. There was nothing like that. Sardinians are genetically the same since the Neolithic and the Nuragic era, Carthaginians (and everyone else after them) didn't do shit.

>>2909142
Spain doesn't have shit to do with North Africa and your autism map shows it, Spaniards and Sardinians are close together being Phoenician brethren, odd that Sicilians are so far away but the Greeks must have made a number on them

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>>2909149
They had celtic like swords and ibero celtic swords, plus the bell beaker pottery typical of proto/ibero celts.

These genetic studies bullshit needs to end, archaeology tells a different story, one of a celtic Europe way before we imagined

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>>2909158
You can see from this and other similar maps that Iberians, Celts, Sards and Sicilians shared the same celtioiberic pottery

>>2909152

> Spain doesn't have shit to do with North Africa

Spanish North.

> Spaniards and Sardinians are close together being Phoenician brethren

>Lebanese are far away from them

>>2909158

> These genetic studies bullshit needs to end

>Genetics is witchcraft

>>2909152
>autism map
>shows how distant Lebanese are
>lol no they're Phoenician brethren

>>2909196
Yeah because Lebanese=Phoenicians, right?

No.

an ancient Carthaginian's DNA was studied and he was similar to Portugal, AKA Iberian.

Food for thought.

>>2909158
>>2909172
>Celtic
No. They spoke a pre-indoeuropean language (similar to Basque), and were a pre-indoeuropean civilization. The Celts took after them and their "brethren" (that, like the Basque, existed on Iberia as well), not the opposite. It's like saying everyone was a Celt because of megalithic structures like menhirs and dolmens, that existed way before them.

>>2908843
>No European has claimed to be a part of Persian or Indian civilizatio
Then whats with the Aryan memeing that is going on till today.

>>2909223
That in itself, is a meme

>>2909202

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448.figures-only

The Canaanite sample was closest to Near Easterners like Assyrians, Mizrahi Jews, and Druze.

>>2909202
Yes, Lebanese are Phoenicians.
The DNA they found was rare European hunter-gatherer, that persisted in Northern Iberia before the Phoenicians even arrived in South Iberia. Also, Spain and Portugal hold some of the oldest continental European DNA.

>>2908682
Its the daily "nords wuznt kangz" thread!
Oh wait... there are atleast one of those every hour...

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>>2908682
>It's a lazy leftcucks completely miss the point of a meme and ape it's construction screw for screw with a slap of new lefty paint on it episode
BOOOORING

>>2909105
>>2909101
>>2909099
>>2909097
All this "we wuzing" still,going on by,whites on the low. Are we forgetting that modern racial,classifications are useless for the past and race is,much more nuanced than that? Or will we continue to use blanket terms to describe all regions of people as white or black.

>>2909211
to be honest greeks have been wewuzzing about mycenaeans for about 3000 years now, i think sardinia can claim a proto indo european civilization

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>>2908857

The mods on /his/ are some of the most lax I have ever seen. I regularly shit up the board with pol-tier threads and never get banned, just warnings. Some mod even knocked out 3 of my threads at the same time and I still didn't get banned.

Based /his/ mods. I am guessing they either think it's funny or are poltards themselves

>>2909497
Hi there, I'm probably the guy who reported most of your threads. Just letting you know I hate you but if the mods aren't willing to do anything about you they are complicit in your crimes against this board.

>>2909497
Good, mods are for cucks
>>2909539
Faggot

>>2908843
>According to genetics Sardians and Portuguese are closer related to carthaginians than modern North Africans.

No, you're drastically misinterpreting the results. What the test found was that ONE specific genetic sample was the closest to ONE specific man living in southern Portugal, not that all Portuguese are the closest to Carthaginians. Which would have more to do with the fact that the Carthaginians ruled Iberia and there was a lot of trade between those regions. Meanwhile the Canaanite test outright states that the results suggest significant genetic continuity in the Levant.

>>2909071
Sicilians, South Spaniards, and Portuguese are not "identical to Levantine Arabs".

>>2909105
Are you implying Sephardic and Italic Jews don't exist?

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>>2909473
They were definitely connected. Also had similar deities and (to some extent) architectural knowledge.

>>2909071
proofs with citations?

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>>2909668
Also this.

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>>2909677
Don't forget this

>>2909760
I didn't have that one. Thanks.

>>2909593

Sicillians and other South Italians are closest to Ashkenazi Jews of all MENA populations as seen here>>2909142.

>>2908836
Never.
People did that all the time.

>>2909332

>pol

>>2908682
Except it's only you fucking yanks that like to larp about this shit

>>2910717

>Pretending Europeans Weren't We Wuzzing

Aryans.

>>2909635

Still not the closest to Isrealites.

>>2908843
>However these are all indo-European civilizations that have many similarities

Like what? How were they similar to Europeans?

>>2909332
What was the point of the meme?

>>2909405
Nigger

>>2909142

Sardinians are paleo-MENA though. They have significantly Natufian related origins and if Natufians aren't MENA then no one is.

>>2909099
>can easily claim that heritage as well

That's true, so can Spaniards. 1 in 3 of them Jewish ancestry if I recall.

>>2908857
What about richard spencer?

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>>2908682
>Egypt
White. DNA proved they were British. Ruling class atleast
>The Hebrews
Undoubtedly white. King David was a red head. Just look at pic related the Jewess on the right is from Egypt and the one on the left is Eastern European Jew. It's the eternal Jew they've always been this way, the darker ones have been tainted by Arab or African blood.
>Carthage
They definitely weren't black.
>Persia
They are Indo-Europeans, the ones who never practiced Islam like Freddie Mercury are still white because they didn't mix with Arabs. The ones who still practice Zoroastrianism have the best claim on Persia and in most cases are white.
>India
Lots of Northern Indians are objectively white, plus the shared Indo-European heritage

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>>2911833
>the ones who never practiced Islam like Freddie Mercury are still white because they didn't mix with Arabs. The ones who still practice Zoroastrianism have the best claim on Persia and in most cases are white.

This, people who think the modern-day Iranians look like the Persians did you are clueless

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>>2908682
These are all objectively white.

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>>2912023

>>2908682
Why do you hate Scandinavians?

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>>2908682
>Euros (or "Whites) don't have a legitimate claim to these civilizations

They objectively do. King Tut was British.

>>2909497
Weird, I got a 1-day ban on here for posting a nigger-ized picture of Hitler a few days ago.

>>2909058
It's always hilarious when MENAs claim to be whites but look just like Mulattos/Quadroons.

>>2909183
lmao

>>2910717
He's not American, he's Swedish. Or at least uses a Swedish proxy on /int/.

>>2911816
I'll grant you that much, but Spencer's views aren't even mainstream within the Alt-Right.

>>2908836
As long as there is collective guilt there will be a collective swingback. As long as people are held to account for being white they will expect to be given credit (or they won't lol as we're seeing)

>>2910935
Language for one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_vocabulary

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>>2908836
>t. descended from Irish peasants

Sorry, but some of us really were kings. I am the rightful heir to Rome.

>>2911797
No, they are not, they have substantial WHG admixture and some minor Yamnaya

>>2912037
Not OP vut
>protestants
>cucks
>Elitist with nothing to boast about beyond finding elements on the periodic table (something other groups would have found eventually)
>Historically assaulted Greco-Roman and Latin-Orthodox civilization
>Brutally attacked Poland while sucking Jamal's cock
>Wewuzing as Romans because they can't admit they got btfo by hairy Italian manlets
>Neopaganism
>Feminism
>liberalism
Alot of reason exist to hate scandies desu.

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>>2911841

Nice try, but Zoroastrians look little to not different from Muslim Persians in Yazd (where they come from largely).

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>>2912139
Pic related, they cluster very far away from Natufians

>>2912150
people in that pic look so "JUST" lol.

>>2912125
No shit. He obviously meant apart from that

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>>2912150

>>2912155
If you can't see how language similarities would effect society and lifestyle as a whole I really pity you. Indo-European civilizations shared a religious pantheon for thousands of years as well, a pantheon which still has great importance in society even if they are no longer worshiped.

>>2912118

>It's always hilarious when MENAs claim to be whites but look just like Mulattos/Quadroons.

Except the point of the chart was to show that North Africans back in the day had core ancestries like other MENAs. Note the brown.

>>2912167
>language similarities would effect society and lifestyle

How?

>>2912218
http://jonathanbecher.com/2010/09/12/does-language-influence-culture/

>>2912167
>a pantheon which still has great importance in society

lol

>shared a same pantheon

They vaguely shared a few divinities, very, very vaguely, and the Greek pantheon ws also influenced by the Near Eatserners god and demi gods such as Herclues

>>2912228
>They vaguely shared a few divinities, very, very vaguely
It wasn't vague at all you retard.

>>2912228
indo-European societies place great importance on cows and bulls.

>>2912224
>jonathanbecher

Literally who? Not gonna waste my time reading that

>>2911833
>>2911841
WE
>>2912089
>cherrypicking

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>>2908682
Why would we give a shit about Rome or Greece when we already have the greatest empire that has ever existed?

>the Persians were more similar to Germanics than to their Mesopotamian neighbors

This is what nu-/his/ actually believes

>>2912231
Yeah it was, you insecure wewuzzer retard, the are only vague similarities apart from the Deus Pater, and most of those vague similarities are foten only shared by a few indoeuropean peoples, almost never by all.
>>2912235
So did non Indoeuropean societies such as Sumerians, Egyptians, Neolithic Anatolians and Europeans

>>2912248
>the are only vague similarities apart from the Deus Pater,
the father god is the most important you idiot but they have several gods and goddesses being the exact the same as well as reoccurring motifs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion#Pantheon

>>2912224
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+language+affects+culture&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS729US729&oq=how+langague+effe&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.3583j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Pick whatever you want, faggot.

>>2912274
See >>2912238

>>2912267
Yeah if you read your page it's mostly vague connections, some of which are contested by most academicians and they often aren't shared by all indoeuros, just a few branches/populations

>>2911841
>>2911833
Um sweeties, Persians are dark because they mixed the non-Indo-Europeans who already lived in Iran.

>>2912282
>Yeah if you read your page it's mostly vague connections
How you reach the conclusion those connections are vague is a mystery. Those connections seem clear as day.

>>2912287
>seem clear as day

List one connection that is clear

There are things like

>flood myths

>serpents

>twins

In that page, which are shared by basically all Eurasian mythologies

>>2912306
>In that page, which are shared by basically all Eurasian mythologies
No shit Sherlock. That's the point.
>Eurasia has shared cultural motifs
Good. Good. you're getting somewhere.

>>2912309
>That's the point.

Are you retarded?

Eurasia doesn't mean Indoeuropeans, it means all of the cultures in Asia and Europe, so many of them are not Indoeuropean

Plus the flood myths are widespread in the Americas and even Australia too

>>2912316

>inb4 Christfags run in here.

>>2909071
lol completely untrue

>>2912316
>Eurasia doesn't mean Indoeuropeans
That doesn't change the connection between indo-European civilizations. Denying indo-European exist is like denying slavic exist.

>>2909053
The light green component I'm assuming is European?

It's interesting that Jews always have less admixture than their neighbours. It shows how endogamous Jews once were, proselytism really is quite modern in Jews.

>>2912351
>proselytism really is quite modern in Jews.
Jews Proselytized more in the past than they do today.

>>2912368
It's pretty obvious that proselytism hasn't been a thing in Judaism since the Hellenic days. They wouldn't be so genetically distinct if proselytism was common.

>>2912375
>that proselytism hasn't been a thing in Judaism since the Hellenic days
It was big in the Roman empire to the point where comedians would make jokes about it. Roman Empire is post-Hellenistic era btw.

>>2912342
I don't deny they exist, i deny that their pantheon is still influential or that it was exactly the same everywhere, there are a few vague name similarities but most myths differ

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>>2908682

>>2912378
And yet population genetics shows a different story. I don't trust unreliable historical accounts.

>>2912274
>Language is more than just a means of communication. It influences our culture and even our thought processes. During the first four decades of the 20th century, language was viewed by American linguists and anthropologists as being more important than it actually is in shaping our perception of reality. This was mostly due to Edward Sapir and his student Benjamin Whorf who said that language predetermines what we see in the world around us. In other words, language acts like a polarizing lens on a camera in filtering reality--we see the real world only in the categories of our language.

Nice pseudoscience

>>2908682
WE

>>2912384
>i deny that their pantheon is still influential
The pure amount of poetry, art, literature and references to Greco-Roman gods is staggering in European society. That has been the case and even today people utilize them for various story telling or artistic purposes. In this way I say the pantheon is still relevant in Europe.

Obviously Hindus still worship the gods so that's a given. The one group i'd say perhaps the pantheon lost its relevance is the Iranians who seem to have rejected it during the zoroastrianism era and again during Islamic era but I don't know enough about Iranian culture to really say for sure.

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>>2911841
Ebin

>>2912414
>The pure amount of poetry, art, literature and references to Greco-Roman gods is staggering in European society

yeah Greco Roman Gods are not synonymous with PIE God, they were respectively influenced by Minoan, Levantine and Etruscan deities.

>>2912139

So? They are still paleo-MENA. Natufians also had WHG related admixture.

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>>2912492
No they didn't, either way they're completely different from Natufians and are not even the same as Neolithic Anatolians, see this and pic related
>>2912153

>>2912502

The point remains that they are predominantly(80~%) paleo-MENA and less European(WHG) admixed than just about everyone else in Europe except Sicilians and such. .

Do serbs or other yugoslavs have a rightful claim on Byzantine/roman lineage?

Afaik there were some serbian/slavic royalties in the byzzy empire and the city of Sirmium was quite important

>>2912525
Paleo mena don't exist

As you can see from these and other charts Neolithic Anatolians, Levantines and Iranians were different from on another

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>>2912563
Forgot the map, you can see they are distinct, Neolithic Iranians are up above, Natufians all the way to the right and Anatolians in the middle

>>2912563

Irrelevant. They all had the Basal Eurasian component indigenous to either Middle East/ North Africa even if their substate components differed. MENA is a sensible grouping since Basal Eurasian isn't natively found elsewhere.
Sardinians fit the profile of an archaic MENA population as their Basal Eurasian is high, thanks to their low rate of WHG admixture.

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>>2912589
They have higher WHG admixture than Italians and Greeks, and neolithic Anatolian themselves had some WHG admixture to begin with

Either way Sardinians are distinct from proper Neolithic Anatolians, let alone Natufians

>>2912595

They are slightly distinct because of low WHG admixture but this does not change the fact that they are 80% indigenous to the Middle East. Northern Italians are more WHG than them.

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>>2908682
Add the Franks to the list

Fuck these nordshits

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>>2912607
North italians have the same amount of WHG but more ANE/Yamnaya admixture

>>2912607

>middle east

And yet they don't cluster with any MENA populations. Not even Jews with major Euro blood.

>>2912626

Modern ME populations have Iran/Caucasus related admixture from the last 3000-4000 years.

>>2912635

They don't cluster with North Africans, Arabians, and Palestinians either.

>>2912650

Arabs/Palestinians are ME populations.
The Bedouins are different and are almost on a cline between Sardinians and Natufians except that they have notable Sub-Saharan African admixture. North Africans have even more of that.

>>2912656
>>2909053
>>2909142

The BedouinB has the most Natufian or close mixing. It also clusters the most with Saudis.

>>2912743
Sardinians are closer to fucking Germans than to Bedouins

>>2912750

And Georgians are closer to Germans than they are to Sardinians. Very interesting?

>>2909240
Aryan is more than blue eyes and blonde hair you illiterate retard.

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>>2912589
not sure where you are getting all these numbers about Sardinia, especially since "Basal Eurasian" is still a speculative component(which is compatible with the existence of multiple populations) and anatolia_neolithic had a large part of its ancestry from some population seemingly related to the WHGs

also, PCAs aren't the end of it, I see too many people basing all their ideas on PCAs while the latter, while useful, just represent a part of the genetic variation that exist between two populations, not to mention that they suffer from projection bias especially when using ancient samples

>>2911559
To show that the skull shape of an African in no way resembles that of an ancient Egyptian by highlighting the differences in profile through exaggerated but mostly accurate caricature.

The fact that the meme appropriator didn't create a new caricature that exaggerates and lampoons the physical differences between northern and southern Europeans indicates either a profound laziness, or a complete misunderstanding of the meme beyond "hurr durr mean old Nazis making fun of teh blacks".

Either way exactly the sort of performance I've come to expect from leftists.

>>2908682
>romans
You do know that the tribe that would one day become the romans migrated down from what was once germany, yeah?

>>The Hebrews
Who in their right mind would be proud of being part of the group that unleashed the abrahamic cancer upon this earth?

>>2912120
Also, what this guy said.

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>>2912896
Yep buddo. They wuz regular Germanics n sheeit.

>>2909039

No they were not eastern Slav at all the ancient Persians were an indo-Iranian peoples just one group of the many that split off after the Indo-Iranians migrated from central to southern Asia

They have hardly any Slavic influence at all besides some linguistic similarities given the indo-Europeans spawned a ton of other languages

>>2912141
So in other words, contrarian memes from the sorts of idiots that like to pretend to be traditionalist catholics on a japanese pornography board.

I mean fuck dude, I would even agree with you somewhat on the whole feminism thing, but when you add in all the rest of that crap you come across as less of a person and more of a tiresome caricature of one.

>>2912905
>contrarian memes from the sorts of idiots that like to pretend to be traditionalist catholics on a japanese pornography board.
What have Scandies ever done for the Southern European man? Whether past or present they've only caused conflict with us.

>>2912901
>>stupid picture in place of an actual argument.
Typical and stupid as always.

>>2912910
I cannot honestly think of a time when the scandinavian countries were involved in a serious war with places like spain or italy, so you're going to have to clarify what you mean by cause conflict.

>>2912919
>I cannot honestly think of a time when the scandinavian countries were involved in a serious war with places like spain or italy,
Yet dutch, Germans and Anglos have caused serious conflict with us and it's the same shit.

At the same time, Scandinavian absolutely was a bastion of Protestantism against Catholicism which does indeed justify ire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)

>>2912879

All I'm saying is that Sardinian ancestors predominantly hail from the Middle East(Anatolia, Lebanon etc) 10k years ago. This is not in any way controversial but the Sardinian nutjob keeps trying to argue that they are actually the purest Europeans.

>>2912919
>What are vikings
>What are Germanic raids from the North
DURRRR

>>2912927
>>dutch, Germans and Anglos
Aren't scandies so this is irrelevant.

>>At the same time, Scandinavian absolutely was a bastion of Protestantism against Catholicism which does indeed justify ire
Actually, people adhering to a christian denomination you don't like ISN'T a valid cause for ire and hatred. It was the roman catholic nations of europe who did everything in their power to stamp out protestant reformers who are to blame for the havoc that followed the reformation.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)
Poland isn't a southern european nation, and my cursory reading of that link shows that the event in question has no business being interpreted into some sort of "scandie protestants bad, catholics of any sort good" false dichotomy.

>>2912950
>What are vikings
Were wildly successful pirates, mercenaries and explorers. Not state actors in and of themselves necessarily.

>>what are germanic raids from the north
Depends on the era, in pre-christian roman times they were for booty and plunder. Once the catholics started to force germanics to convert to a religion they weren't interested in it became retaliation for campaigns of oppression and war waged against them.

>>2912961
>It was the roman catholic nations of europe who did everything in their power to stamp out protestant reformers who are to blame for the havoc that followed the reformation.
Nordshit detected. You Nordshits continue to do nothing but be bane on all forms of justice and decency.

You've failed to name one thing nordshits have ever done to the benefit of Southern Europeans meanwhile you treated us like shit in the USA, generally treat us like shit and are opposed to all our interest.

>>2909240
see>>2912023

>>2912973
not the same anon but is german considered nordshit or just the scandinavians?

>>2912973
>>nordshit
Nope.

>>blah blah why must you bully us so
Hilarious coming from people who will argue that the inquisition was a good thing. Oh and it was northern europeans who built the most wealthy and powerful civilization that has ever existed, so I wouldn't act so tough and smug, Diego.

>>2912988
>is german considered nordshit
Every german but Southern Germans.

>>2912991
>Oh and it was northern europeans who built the most wealthy and powerful civilization that has ever existed
Lol. Scandinavian countries were absolute backwater until the world started to value being a materialistic robotic whore state. I can't wait for your countries to go to shit again which will inevitable happen.

>>2912992
meh they redeemed themselves with the third reich

>>2912998
And yet it was people from northern europe, scandinavians very much included in this, who came to the USA and made it the single most powerful and wealthy nation on earth. Meanwhile, places like italy, spain and greece only have faded memories of past glories and debt payments to make.

>>2913008
>And yet it was people from northern europe, scandinavians very much included in this, who came to the USA and made it the single most powerful and wealthy nation on earth.
Really now?
>Meanwhile, places like italy, spain and greece only have faded memories of past glories
Our nations have consistently been great. We have better society, food, religion, philosophy, culture, values and history. The one thing Scandies have is shekels.

>>2913024
yet you guys can't colonise shit
look at south america versus north america where eventually "nordcucks" settled.

>>2913028
Are you kidding? At least Southern America retained some sort of Spanish identity. Meanwhile any country colonized by nordshits instantly rejected them and have no traces of them left.

Name one good Nordic colony

>>2913024
>>Really now?
Yes, really.

>>Our nations have consistently been great.
No they have not.

>>We have better society, food, religion, philosophy, culture, values
wrong on all counts.

>>and history.
Partly true, but only because written records from scandinavia are rare as fuck.

>>The one thing Scandies have is shekels
Oh is that the buzzword that you're using now to mock people who spend taxpayer money on social welfare programs for the poor rather then on mistresses and fancy sports cars?

>>2913038
It doesn't matter if they retained identity if all of the southern american countries are fucking 3rd world backwater places everywhere.

>>2913042
>>only because written records from early middle ages scandinavia are rare as fuck.
Fixed.

>>2913042
>wrong on all counts.
>Nordic langue
Ugly as sin
>Nordic food
Disgusting
>Nordic clothing
Mediocre
>Nordic poetry
Nothing compared to Orthodox or Latin
>Nordic values
Being a nasty shit or a cuck with no middle ground?
>Nordic philosophy
Shit tier. Close to non-existent. If you count Germanic as a whole you have Kant, Marx, nietzsche, Stirner, Spengler and Engles. All who suck. I'd say Hegel is the only redeeming German philosopher.

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>>2912896
>You do know that the tribe that would one day become the romans migrated down from what was once germany, yeah?

Yeah das rite, the Romans wuz Germanic

>>2913042
Forgot
>Nordic theology
Worse than worse. Even if you count Germanics (as scandie theologians a literal whos) you have luther, calvin, and other shitheads.

I guess you all have swedenberg who's nothing but a protestant newager.

>>2913061
desu senpai I prefer nordic languages to fucking irritating italian or spanish
but that's just me

>>2913080
ahh yes. The graceful and intricate Germanic tongue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0Hsx-yHiI

>>2913061
>Ugly as sin
Nope.
>Disgusting
Some of it is, but not all.
>Mediocre
By which you mean not everyone is dressed like a flaming queer, right? lol
>Nothing compared to Orthodox or Latin
Orthodox isn't a language and while latin poetry is quite nice, the various sagas of the germanic tribes also have a great deal of merit.
>Being a nasty shit
What's the problem? In southern europe, nasty shits are considered the best leaders.
>or a cuck with no middle ground?
Southern euros are the biggest cucks in europe, descended from cucks, being led by cucks, and being cucked as we speak.
>shit tier philosophy
I'll let all the people who actually care about intellectual masturbation argue this one with you. That said, you're still a faggot.

>>2913071
I'm not a christian, so I could care less about theology.

>>2913042
>You think Germanic farmers in the dust bowl or Scandie farmers in michigan built America? I'd say British built America (including Irish) more so than Germanics and Scandies who by the time America became a great power already lived side by side with poles, Italians and other European immigrants.

>>2912937
>Sardinian

No

>nutjob

It's true that Sardinians aren't paleo mena, they're a mix of whg and neolithic anatolians, they don't have more basal eurasian component than other south europeans, they just lack the chg component and thus are genetically isolated, they cluster close to neolithic europeans who are a mix of whg and neolithic anatolians, not much to do with natufians

Why wouldn't you make a stereotypically nordic looking dude? Why would you just paint the obviously negroid face white?

>>2913186
Scandos tend to have quite piggish features. Snub noses and duck lips are characteristically nordic.

>>2913166

They have a lot to do with Natufians as they and Neolithic Anatolians are a cross between Natufian related people and some WHG related people with the former being the dominant fraction. Natufians themselves also had some link to WHG related people that Iranians etc lack.

>>2908682
Let's be perfectly honest here: for the purpose of racial pride, western civilization is all that is required to utterly crush everyone else anyway, so why don't you go be butthurt elsewhere?

>>2913242

Still ignoring genetics.

>>2913517

You have no clue about that subject. You're just here to spread misinformation.

>>2913551

>Says Sardiniana are MENAs despite not at all clustering with any of them

>>2913551
>>2914117
Sardinians are Anatolians, Anatolia is a bridge between MENA and EVROPA, they're a mongrel race

>>2909058
>As you can see from your own picture modern North Africans are 1/4 negroid

Except that's fucking retarded. Egyptians had continuous contact with Sub-Saharan Africa throughout their entire history and was a nexus of the slave trade, yet that recent publicized genetics test found them to be 14-20% SSA on average, which is not that high above the 6-15% of ancient Egyptian samples. And the ancient Egyptian themselves clustered with the Bedouins. North Africans today looked like North Africans thousands of years ago, especially Tunisians who have been found to have basically no SSA admixture.

>>2909053
Can you link the document you pulled this from?

>>2914201

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

>>2914247
Thanks. So the ancient Egyptian samples were very, very close to Bedouins and modern Levantines (Palestinians and Jordanians), and also pretty close to modern Egyptians, being primarily differentiated by a missing 7-8 points of Sub-Saharan African DNA. 6-15% for Ancient Egyptians and 14-21% for modern ones.

>>2914154

>especially Tunisians who have been found to have basically no SSA admixture.

The Egyptian study has modern Tunisians with some Yorubaish admixture.

On a completely different note,
whats the best website to go to for DNA testing into region of origin?

>>2914525
or haplogroups/ethnic origins

>>2913097
>he says while it's G*ermanic countries that are being flooded by immigrants
How can you say that with a straight face?

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>>2908836

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>>2909223
Reminder that Indo-Iranians literally originated in Northern Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture#Predecessors:_Poltavka_culture.2C_Abashevo_culture.2C_Corded_Ware_culture

>>2914701
>destroy all cultural continuity and pride in your ancestry goyim! Only the present matters. Not the past or the future!

>>2914716
more
>get over yourself you fucking retard, you've done nothing with your life

>>2914701

Nigger's genes stop them from doing actual civilization long enough.

>>2914716

>pride in your ancestry goyim

WE

>>2914723
Actual ancestry ≠ wewuzing

>>2914732
It's only slightly better.

Hey i'm Italian and love italian culture and italian history. I'm proud of my ancestors accomplishments and while not claiming them as my own i'm happy to be part of such a glorious civilization
>>2914734
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2914746
>part of such a glorious civilization

You're not.

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>>2914723
Fuck off I wuz Islam

>>2914747
>You're not.
Thanks for your opinion, stretch. I still like Italian civilization despite all the haters.

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>>2914734
>t. germanic pagan

Fuck off. My ancestors were the cradle of civilization.

>>2914767
So were everyone elses.

>>2914747

Hey there pol. Still LARPing as da reel Romans while Italians are Arabs?

>>2914753

Islam is for the Niggers.

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>>2914774
Bullshit. You were naked Teuton tribesman when the Romans found you dangling in trees. Barbarians need to quit being so full of themselves.

Nope. The last time Italy was anywhere close to "great" is so far removed from anyone alive today it might as well be ancient rome we're talking about.

>>2914753
fug

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>>2914787
>jews being white europeans

This actually hurts me a lot

>>2914753
http://www.rasulallah.info/id56.html

Is this you?

>>2914790
Italy is still the #8 economy in the world and won one of the largest wars in history about 100 years ago (the Italian Front of WW1 involved 11 million soldiers and 4.5 million military casualties in total).

>>2914120
>says against all genetic studies
They are not a mongrel race, you moron. Genetics>>>your dumb pseudo-geographical bullshit. Learn2science, faggot.

>>2914804
California has a bigger economy, my dude, so that's not really anything to talk about.

>Italy did something in either World War
That's really funny, bud.

The last time Italy was worth anything was when Venice was still hot shit.

>>2914796

They're not. Ashkenazi are only about 50% Euro. Other Jews are much lower.

>>2914819

>California

You mean the State that is more productive than loads of Red States.

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>>2914826
>Ashkenazi are only about 50% Euro.

Nice try Shlomo, it's like 30-60% but most are 35-40%

>>2914896

Still not Euros.

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>>2914896
>Average White American
>colonial ancestry
Pick one

>>2914896
That map is so small how can we even trust it?

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>>2908836
>Implying anyone on this site can accomplish anything

>>2914907
You know there's way more patties in their but they'd rather claim to be British than Irish

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bing got me fuck up

>>2914819
Venice was never the #8 largest economy in the world and didn't win one of the largest conflicts in history.

>>2915253
Economy size means fuck all, you retarded monkey.

>>2908682
>>Persia
>>India
are Indo-European and therefor white

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>>2908682
>that skenderbeg helm

>>2908682
i get this is a dank meme, but the huge lips and outwards slopping jaw isn't characteristic to white people

>>2914805

Do you have some brain problem?
It's a very easy to understand thing that Sardis are a bunch of mutts but predominantly paleo-MENA eg. Natufian related.

>>2914706
That's not northern but eastern europe.
South-east Russia/northern Iran to be specific.

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>>2914706
>Corded ware

Ogga Booga Boola we stone axes n shiet

>>2911833
Egyptians
White

Nope
Tuts dad married a european (Mittani) princes (which was normal to forge relations) and the dna test showed it.
Thats all your article was saying.

>>2916219
>a European (Mitanni)

lol

Mitanni were Hurrians with maybe a mixed Indoeuropean/Hurrian elite

>>2916221
Tuys dad and his dad still married Mittani princesses.
Ce back with a sample of the old pharaohs like Djoser not these new age hippies, but nobody can because they wont have partial euro ancestry

>>2916122
No, you retarded cunt. Look up the actual studies.

>>2916507
He's right they're a mongrol mena race (just like all Southern Eurpeans, but still)

>>2916520
>muh southern europeans are mena
>shitposting germ, anglo or nord
You are the mongrels in Europe, if you want to say otherwise post the studies. Otherwise shut the fuck up and >>>>>out

>>2916655

So Anatolia is in Europe? It's definitely more of a Middle Eastern place both geographically and genetically.

>>2916520
It's true. Southern Italians are closer related to Lebanese than with Germans.

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There is a board for this nonsense and it's called /pol/, get back in your containment tank.Stormfags off my board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

>>2916721
>Be southern Europeans
>Name Europe
>Create Europe
>Thousands of years later the tundraniggers claim YOU'RE NOT REAL EUROPEANS
Please kys

>>2916743
>Southern Italians are closer related to Lebanese than with Germans.
No wonder they don't suck dick.

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>>2916721
Wrong. Anatolia is massive. The Middle and eastern parts may be Middle eastern. The Aegean coast and the south of the country is like Greece or Balkan climate and atmosphere. The Black Sea is by no means Middle eastern in its geography or culture. Pic related.

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>>2916721
>Anatolia = Middle eastern genetically.
>who are the Lydians, Hittites, Lycians, Thracians and Byzantines?
>what is the Anatolian branch of the indo European language tree?

>>2916806
Anatolian branch of the indo European language tree = GOAT

>>2916655
What is wrong with being related to MENA? Im sure the ancient greeks and romans felt closer to them then to the northern barbarians

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>>2916810
It's super fascinating isn't it? They Still haven't fully deciphered Lycian yet, it's a mad mix of their own language and a bastardized Hellene script.

>>2915876

KANGZ

>>2916122

>still ignoring genetics.

>>2916520

>pol

>>2916824

Nobody in Southern Europe clusters with MENAs outside of Jews with major Euro blood.

>>2916824
>Im sure the ancient greeks and romans felt closer to them then to the northern barbarians
They did. It's kind of funny reading it now a days

>>2916889
They really didn't, Romans hated Phoenicians with a passion

>>2916894
They still respected them though. They theorized the heat allowed them and the Near Eastern/African people be civilized while the Northern Europeans were bitter and barbaric due to the cold weather.

>>2916894

>Phoenicians are the whole MENA

>>2912284
They were "darker" because of the climate and weather, not because the near decimated remnants of small pockets of Elamitse mixing with a small portion of various Iranic people had any notable genetic influence on them. As for the Zagros farmers and others, its the same with Indo-Iranians as it is with "European" Europeans who mixed with them to become lighter skinned.

>>2916806
Um sweetie, he was talking about neolithic Anatolia. There were no Indo-Europeans there back then

>>2916884
No but some Southern Europeans cluster closer to Middle Easterners than to other Europeans

>>2916884
Sicilians, Greek Islanders, other Southern Italians do often times. the Phoenicians made a huge genetic impact.

>>2917394
It's not because of Phoenicians, they were already paleo menas, Phoenicians made more colonies in Sardinia than in Sicily but they had little genetic impact if any

>>2917394

Southern Italians are only clustering with Ashkenazi and Maltese here>>2909142.

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>>2916894
>Forgetting that the Rome had a Punic Emperor (Septimus Severus)

>not knowing who Ulpian was

>>2917400

>paleo menas

Still ignoring genetics. Where's the clustering with Bedouins, Egyptians and Saudis?

>>2917446
I suppose the Punic emperor fucked everyone's wife?

What the fuck has this to do with Phoenicians impacting native Italians?

>>2917467

>Punics are Niggers

KANGZ N

>>2917467
Calm down Luigi, I never said Italians are genetically MENA. Did you look at the post I replied to?

>>2916884

Greek Cypriots cluster between Jews and Arabs

Not that they really count as Cyprus is an island of the Near East but culturally Greek Cypriots have a lot of European influence.

>>2916894
One of their emperors was a Punic who was raised in Punic culture, spoke Punuc as his first language, spoke Greek and Latin with a heavy Punic accent, and introduced Punic deities to the pantheon. Punics were a Phoenician/Berber mix both culturally and genetically.

>>2917453

Mexicans don't cluster with Amerindians but they have Amerindian DNA. Very similar situation with Sardinians.

The genetic studies say that 1. Sardinians have a very small slice of European admixture compared to 99% of Europeans but it's still there and 2. there has been a significant population turnover in the Near East since the Sardines left it with no population resembling the original people in full.

>>2911833
>>2911841
You are both retarded.

>>2917555

> Mexicans don't cluster with Amerindians but they have Amerindian DNA. Very similar situation with Sardinians.

Irrevalent since Sardinians haven't been shown to be as mixed as Mexicans are.

> The genetic studies say that 1. Sardinians have a very small slice of European admixture compared to 99% of Europeans but it's still there and 2. there has been a significant population turnover in the Near East since the Sardines left it with no population resembling the original people in full.

Sure pol.

>>2917555
>>2917671
You are both retarded
>>2917547
And?

>>2917682
>>2917671


http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/16/059311

No /pol/ here just objective facts. Middle East used to be genetically fractured into Sardinian(minus more WHG with distance from Europe)like people and Iranian like people who over time became more and more mixed with each other, a process which did not affect the island of Sardinia.

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>>2917738

>Iberia is where European farmers are

Nice try Stormfag.

>>2917738
Modern day ethnic Iranians cluster almost EXACTLY the same genetically today as they did in the Iron Age.

>>2917866
Iberia bronze age isn't modern day idea, and it's still pretty close, also he never said that

This is old as fuck b8 on /pol/.

These threads are hidden and ignored, yet you autists at /his/ circlejerk around them for 2 days?

Sage.

>>2917866

Harvard are stormfags?

>>2917874

I'm not talking about the iron age?
This is about the Neolithic and the very early metal ages.
There was increasing mobility across the Middle East so Iranian-like DNA made it to Anatolia, Israel etc and the other way around which radically changed the way the populations of those regions behave on genetic maps as the initial genetic distances pre-mixing was absolutely enormous.

>>2914783
>>2914747
>>2914774
>>2914723
>>2914701
>>2908836
t. Literally descended from worthless farmers.

My ancestor is fucking Rollo. I share the blood with half the monarchs in Europe. I'm proud of my ancestry, you're a nobody and you want to reduce everyone to that status.

>>2912893
>>2909332
This.

It's a blatant attempt from the leftists to fuck with the European unity when it comes to History, but as always, it fails flat because it's outright fucking terrible, unfunny and wrong.

Why are leftists so sad? They're like the women of people, unfunny, jealous and petty.

>>2917670
nice argument

>>2912611
t. shitskin

>>2917908
Easy to be proud of something unearned and assumed.

>>2917954
Not an argument.

>>2917892
Iranians haven't changed since the Iron Age was my point, in any significant way genetically, or racially. Andronovo culture which Proto-Indo-Iranics and other Proto-Indo-Europeans stem from migrated from the Caucasus areas and Southern Russia into Central Asia and the Near East and mixed with Neolithic pastoralists and already settled people.

>>2917985
>Unearned
Someone had to fuck to produce me. Some peoples had to struggle for centuries to get to me. My country sustained me, gave me an education, made sure I had the tools to survive and be productive.

This wasn't "an accident" as you claim. Stop being retarded, just because you have fuck all to be proud of it doesn't mean everyone else is like you. I take pride in a friend winning a race, you think I wouldn't take pride in my close family in the same position? You think I wouldn't take pride in ancestors of mine who did great deeds? You're too intellectually stumped to differentiate between personal pride and the pride you have in others.

What an idiot you are, honestly.

>>2912384
i mean im not that guy, but aside from language and cultural similarities, all indo-europeans are fairly related genetically.

>>2917993

No ones talking about Andronovo or Iron age Iranians. Stop rambling about irrelevant shit which has nothing to do with the subject. The point of the paper is that 10000 years ago the people in Iran and the Mediterranean Near East were genetically VERY divergent and this divergence over time became less significant because of admixture going both ways but not to Sardinia which is a genetic relic. Nothing whatsoever to do with Andronovos.

>>2917874
Cool, that means the Achaemenid Persians had very little Aryan blood.

/pol/ BTFO

>>2917993
yeah, that's what i said, calling people retarded isn't an argument

>>2914747
Italian culture is fucking nice though, and he has the right mindset about it. You should probably fuck off though.

>>2918021
>Achaemenid Persians had very little Aryan blood.
Wrong.

>>2918021
>>>/leftypol/

>>2908682
Euros / whites don't have a claim on
>Babylon
>Sumeria
>Assyria
>Hittite
>Mongolia
>China
>Japan

>>2908682
>>India
Stop this meme. India was a shithole , only in some city they amount to something but more then half of the country is truly barbarian up untill the 20 century (maybe even today)

>>2918066
Look at modern Iranian genetics. They're very different from the Indo-Europeans who left the Pontic-Caspian Steppe

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>>2918127
All modern Indo-Europeans genetics tend to be very different from each other, Italians and Greeks are not similar to Germanics or other Scandinavians for example. There is no to very little difference between current Persians and most other ethnic Iranian groups and those in antiquity.

>>2918422

>All modern Indo-Europeans genetics tend to be very different from each other

Not in NW, North and NE Europe though.

>>2918422
Yeah but some Indo-Europeans have more steppe ancestry than others. Persians have almost none.

>>2918456
>Not in North

British and Finnish people are clearly distinct groups

>>2918484

Finns still have very significant Indo-European admixture as well as neolithic farmer but sure if you say so.
There's still insanely little genetic differentiation between Brits and East Slavs for example. They descend from the same Indo-European and Neolithic people to a very large degree.

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>>2917965
t. nordshit LARPer

>>2918507
Just look at all the cluster maps and you'll see Fins are clearly distinct from Western Europeans

>>2918529

It doesn't matter at all. You said

>All modern Indo-Europeans genetics tend to be very different from each other

Finns are not Indo-European. Brits and Slavs on the other hand are.

>>2918535
I didn't say that, that's another anon

>>2918478
That's because most Iranian/Iranic groups in the Iranian Plateau and the Near East mixed over and over with sedentary Caucasus hunter-gathers, pastoralists and Zagros farmers. Pashtuns in Central Asia for example have more because they tended not to fully assimilate invaders, who also tended to usually be from the Steppes so that admixture is much more pronounced.

>>2918507
>There's very little genetic differentiation between Brits and East Slavs
Okay, Vasily.

>>2918535
Whatever man, not OP but, Europe has some weird genes going on in there, and those threads stretch to vast and strange places.

the only commonality is people tend to be of fairer complexion and pigmentation, but this isn't even 100% accurate.

with language it seems to be a confluence, a back and forth of loanwords and pidgins, take, Etruscan or Pre-Greek or Galician or Basque and they have undeniably early roots which don't originate in the east. Genetically the English have very little Y-DNA in common with Danes, but rather Iberians, more native ones in fact I believe but I could be wrong since new studies pop up every 3 months suggesting people with streighter teeth are 22% more closely related to some type of squash vegetable.

>>2918553

If you compare both to for example Albanians or Romanians then yes there isn't a big of a difference.

>>2918579

>Genetically the English have very little Y-DNA in common with Danes

This isn't even close to true and Y-DNA is a really small part of the big picture because of founder effects.

>>2918627
it is true, and thank you for reiterating my point .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles#Y_DNA

maybe you can make something of this while we're at it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)

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>>2912893
>The fact that the meme appropriator didn't create a new caricature that exaggerates and lampoons the physical differences between northern and southern Europeans indicates either a profound laziness, or a complete misunderstanding of the meme beyond "hurr durr mean old Nazis making fun of teh blacks".
What do you mean i've seen this variant posted here numerous times. including this thread>>2912901
also >>2915890

>>2917378
Cool, so people didn't speak or have languages in the Neolithic? Was it black and white back then too?

>>2918000
Do you look down on people with a bad ancestry?

>>2918000
You're LARPing and literally everyone else can see it. I've seen people like you before irl and it's always the same. You have such a limited understanding of human interaction and are so barely socialized, people look at you like they look through a fucking window.

>>2920719
They didn't speak Indo-European languages if that's what you're asking