How did Germania, the region in the north of the Roman Empire,

>living in mud huts
fuck off
seriously
I'm so tired of this anti-Germanic sentiment
PEOPLE LIVED IN HOUSES
real houses, with farms, fences, longhouses, storage units, weaponsmithing
your question of the development of the region is interesting, but you are obviously just trying to smear Germanic peoples, as /his/ is so wont to do
fuck off

>>2906741
Do you get paid for this?

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>>2906741
spotted the G*rman

A lot of the cities in the west were either developed by the Romans or were important centers of trade during Roman times. The eastern part was less developed in the middle ages. Berlin was still considered a bit of a backwater in the early 1700s.

>>2906741
houses made of straw, sticks and mud

>>2906786
Don't forget the animal shit for plaster

>>2906769
>>2906786
>>2906791
thank you for proving my point
/his/ is so paranoid, that any facts in favour of Germanic peoples being positive is declared to be /pol/-tier and scoffed off
this has allowed infiltrators to spawn anti-German sentiment in general
you are being pawns, think about that

>>2904520
Roman era Germania was densely populated and extremely fragmented.
Middle ages Germany was densely populated and extremely fragmented.

I really don't see what you find hard to understand.

>>2906799
Why are you so upset about your history anon? We can't all be Roman

>>2906799
It is a fact that germans lived in houses made of mud, sticks and grass, plastered with shit.
You can go to open air museums and see some restored ones, for fucks sake.

The region was a shithole until Napoleon woke them up and they later united.
Germany as a relevant place is a very recent development.

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>>2904520
Fragmentation and cities are beneficial to society, and helps you not ending up as a serf.

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>>2906813
REally makes you think, in the high medieval the HRE was the superpower of Europe, yet they did not develop into a centralized shithole.

>>2906813
>Fragmentation and cities are beneficial to society, and helps you not ending up as a serf.

Explain. As far as I know, people in Germany were subject to gruesome dukes more so than the French or the British to their respective monarchs, especially during the age of absolutism.

>>2906984
HRE had serfdom, the guy is clueless.
You couldn't travel freely, you were chained to dukedom/state you were born in, and would be forced to stay if needed.

>>2906984
>people in Germany
What Germany you stupid fuck? it simply didn't exist back then. Look at the bloody map for reference.

>>2906984
>were subject to gruesome dukes
Now what gruesome dukes would that be then? Early Republics? Church states? Or territories run by major noble houses who where competing all the time?

>>2907022
Source please

>>2907034
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_Patent_(1781)

The first major (and somewhat successful, sorta) attempt to remove Serfdom. You should be aware of it if you are a student of history.

>>2907046
Thats Habsburg lands in Bohemia, Morovia and Silesa, so thats the slavic part of the HRE, not the HRE itself. So the most retarded and conservative part of the HRE abolished serfdom 8 years earlier than France did.
Serfdom in the more developed parts of of the HRE was abolished centuries earlier, and in large parts of the Germanic parts never existed.
Now please compare that to underdeveloped countries, like France.

>>2907022
>implying the HRE isn't the mother of all exceptions

>>2907025
>what is king of the germans

>>2907107
This, European Utopia became reality for a 1000 years.

>>2907097
>Bohemia wasn't HRE emperor five times

>>2907097
Habsburg lands tried to STOP serfdom. Everyone has it, they tried to stop it.

>>2907113
Bohemia never was HRE emperor.
Otherwise bring a source.

>>2907120
Well, in Habsburg Austria serfdom was essentially not practiced anymore in the 15th century, the last remnants where a few Serfs in Imst, but they where freed in 1563.

>>2907110
It is fair to say that the average HRE citizen had more rights and privileges then the European average of the time.

>>2906741
Shut up servus

>>2907136
The average HRE citizen wasn't allowed to carry a long knife, or leave the country, or own land unless he was part of the aristocracy or clergy.
How quickly and willingly germans joined revolutionary France during its wars with Austria is proof enough.

>>2907150
>The average HRE citizen wasn't allowed to carry a long knife, or leave the country, or own land unless he was part of the aristocracy or clergy.
Thats complete bullshit and you do not have a single source for this.

>>2906799
>this has allowed infiltrators to spawn anti-German sentiment in general
>you are being pawns, think about that


Pawns of what? The Eternal Anglo? This is an American site, we're all pawns of the Eternal Anglo here.

T. (((White))) American.

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>>2907150
>The average HRE citizen wasn't allowed to carry a long knife
Lolwut?

>>2906813
France is so small here. Cute.

>>2907025
>accuses me of not looking at the map
>fails to search the map for duchies

Also, King of the Germans, you piece of nigger shit.

>>2907208
Admit it, you do not know shit about the HRE and need to consult wikipedia before you post your valuable information ;-)

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>>2906741
You're wasting your time. Many here are under the impression that all Romans lived in marble palaces and villas and that the majority weren't just peasants only slightly better off then the North European ones.

>>2907256
Why did you reply to yourself?

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>>2906741
LMAO

>>2907265
Are you retarded?

>>2907282
>Replies to himself
Are you?

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>>2906813
>Little Poland is larger than Great Poland
heh

>>2904520
The poorest countries have the highest population numbers.

>>2907850
Thats actually a modern thing. Back then high population numbers indicated a high work ethic and good personal hygiene.

>>2907957
Back then high population numbers indicated your land is good for wheat.

>>2908423
population is more of an indicator of the amount of Neanderthal DNA in the stock
Homo sapiens are more numerous, while Neanderthals kept small groups of ~20 people, totaling around 75 000 at any time

Most historians are communist, they consider extremely centralized, totalitarian states, the pinnacle of human social organization. The Holy Roman Empire, as an extremely descentralized confederation of aristocratic polities, free cities, peasant republics and even sovereign individuals, goes against everything they believe.

>>2908569
>its a /pol/ in charge of genetics post

>>2907315
little poland was a historic region it's not just called that for no reason if you didn't know anon

>>2908608
This, the Empire is just too good to be true, too perfect and multifaceted to understand for normal people!

>>2908608
>Most historians are communist
they're not. It's true historians have focused on states, but a lot of that is because most historical sources come from state documents, thereby skewing historical narrative in this fashion.
>...goes against everything they believe.
Plenty of historians have recognized this over the last century. Why the fuck do you think they made West Germany a Federal State? Because it had deep precedent in German history.

>>2909406
They just have not understood yet why it was and is the superior System.