Socialism vs. Communism

>>2894675

What's the dichotomy?

>>2894675
Socialism is the preparation to currency-less communism. All else is revisionism.

>>2894684
Socialism: Social ownership and democratic control of the means of production
Communism: From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.
Socialism

>>2894675
The workers create the wealth we enjoy. But the people who benefits are lazy rich boys. Fuck them

>>2894803
Yeah so much we already know.

>>2894780

I'm aware of the definitions, what is the dichotomy in OP's post?

>>2894840
Well excuse me you bitch. Fucking contribute to the thread if you wanna sound your whore mouth

>>2895018
Socialists argue that workers should own the means of production, and own everything that they produce with them; enabling them to sell and trade the product of their labor or their services for money, tokens, or other products and services.
Communists argue that fair wages cannot be measured because there are so many factors contributing to them: The people who made the tools, built the factory, work together with you, who researched the necessary technology, etc. They argue that everyone should contribute as much work as they can, and as it is necessary to fulfill the needs of the worker and everyone else.
The worker then has no claim on the service or product they provide, or on a wage of any kind. They cannot sell their product or exchange it for other goods. What they have a claim to is the fulfilment of their needs instead.
That is the dichotomy.

>>2894692
Whats wrong with revisionism. It might have been the original purpose, but what's stopping you from simply adopting Socialism, without wanting to create a communist society?

>>2895077
This. Also nice holy dubs

>>2894675

A worker is entitled to, and only entitled to, whatever the employer is contractually obligated to pay in accordance to the voluntary agreement that is employment.

>the worker cannot be stolen from as his the worth of his labor is decided by a free market
Refute this

>>2896666
Yes especially if that contract is the livelihood of the worker. Get fucked you cunt

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>>2896666
>666
How surprising

>>2894803
You "create"?
Lmaoooooo

>>2894692
"""""True"""""" Communism doesn't work in an industrialized society.

>>2897122
We create everything. I've worked at a factort I've worked at an old folks home. I've fucking seen it and I believe you're full of shit.

>>2897171
proof

>>2897888
show me where communism happened that wasn't a tribal society

>>2894803
a snake needs its head, so does corporations

>>2898457
Soviet Union, there it was a genocidal society, checkmate capitalists

>>2894675

The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Socialism is the stage in human development after capitalism and before communism according to most socialist ideologies however there are numerous other ones that believe in socialism as an end in and of itself.

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>>2894675
All of it