Were the Mandates the worst failure of the 20th century?

>implying they weren't designed for that exact purpose
The mandates were explicitly designed to exacerbate inter-ethnic/religious tension

>Hamas
>Terrorists

American detected

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>>2894380
>Pakistan
I know you all like Gandhi but he should have let us get rid of the moslem when we had the chance

now we have a 95% Moslem with 140 nukes and they are still making more

>>2894404
>Hamas
>Lebanon

Brainlet detected.

>>2894404
>Hezbollah
>Not terrorists

They were a militant group unaffiliated with a government that fought against a government that wasn't their own. Whether you agree with their motives or not, they are technically terrorists.

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What's wrong with Israel? It's a successful, prospering, stable country

Palis are trying to fuck it up but have failed

Hezbollah assassinated the democratically elected leader of Lebanon because he was against Syrian troops being stationed in the country. They're a cuck for foreign powers, not some noble resistance group

Go ahead and call me JIDF tho.

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So you be saying...

Heterogeneous countries are prone to failure?

>>2894440
Also they're a proxy of Iran with most of their funding coming from foreign regimes and IRGC officers literally commanding Hezbollah troops in the field in every conflict they've fought in.

>>2894464
Israel is extremely diverse, what are you talking about?

>>2894468
Israel is an apartheid state, South Africa was perfectly stable for a long time too...

>>2894380
what was your plan for the collapsed ottomans?

>>2894476
>Israel is an apartheid state,

No it's not, its Muslim and Christian citizens have full rights and currently make up around during 25% of the population. And its Jewish population is enormously diverse on its own.

>>2894479
Not collapsing the Ottomans

>>2894479
A federal, constitutional caliphate with a democratically-elected Grand Vizier

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>>2894476
>Apartheid State
>Ethiopians, Arabs (both Christian and Muslim), and Russians have full rights
>Official Languages: Hebrew and Arab, non-Official: English and Russian.

Sure sounds like Apartheid, anon.

>>2894630
Not an option. They would collapse by themselves.

>>2894380
At this point wouldn't it be best to button up and let them sort themselves out? We can't just keep intervening and think that everything is going to work out, we have to let them be the agents of change, not us

>>2894644
Nigga please, Israel is a militarized apartheid state in perpetual war with its citizens and the surrounding 12 countries, if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does they'd be just as stable too.

>>2894649
This was the meme for 400 years and it didn't happen until the British forced it

>>2894669
is that why israel did better economically and militarily before it began to receive US aid in the 60s?

>>2894709
They could barely protect their own capital from a coalition of small Balkan states. The Ottomans were extremely weak at that point and their model was unsustainable. They were a corpse propped up by the French and late the Germans.

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>>2894669
>Still using apartheid incorrectly

Anon, aside from the Palestinians, general life in Israel is better than the rest of the Middle-East combined. That same quality of life is equal among the Arabs, Ethiopians, Russians, etc, etc.

Yet Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon supported by the rest of the Middle-East couldn't even do what you're saying, and they had Soviet training and weapons.

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>>2894669
lmao, Israel was beating up syrians before the US even began aid. Israel's GDP surpassed Syria's in 1952 while the US still had an embargo on it and has remained far ahead ever since.

>>2894669
>Israel is a militarized apartheid state in perpetual war with its citizens

Repeating a lie over and over again won't make it true.

>and the surrounding 12 countries

They defended themselves against many invasions, and when Egypt agreed to stop starting wars, Israel gave them back all the territory they had occupied (despite being the clear winners of every conflict) and let that peace sustain itself. They're going on 44 years with no war with Egypt.

>if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does

This wouldn't do anything to change the fact that by 1970, before Israel had received any significant aid from the US, their GDP per capita was already five times Syria's despite having no oil, starting with a population from all over the world that spoke a dozen different languages, and being attacked constantly by their neighbors. Keep in mind that under the British and French, these regions had roughly the same GDP per capita.

https://ourworldindata.org/economic-growth

>>2894669
>if the baath parties of Syria and Iraq had nukes and a strong lobby in america for their interests like israel does they'd be just as stable too.

Soviet stipends accounted for literally 10% of Syria's GDP in the 50s and 60s, and the vast majority of weapons used by the Syrian military were donated Soviet surplus. They also had thousands of Soviet and Cuban advisors directly participating in their wars. Israel never even got close to that level of economic and military dependency with any country. This propping up continues to this day. In 2005 Russia effectively gave Syria $10 billion by forgiving $9.8 billion of Syria's Cold War era debt, a number equivalent to over 25% of their entire GDP for that year. That is fucking ridiculous.

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>>2894768
>Anon, aside from the Palestinians, general life in Israel is better than the rest of the Middle-East combined.
>aside from the Palestinians living under the jackboot of apartheid everything is great!
Hurrrr (You) fuck off jidf

>>2894865
Palestinians are not and never have been Israeli citizens, and have made that quite clear themselves. Try again.

>>2894865
He's absolutely right though. It's over said but absolutely true. Arab Israelis have rights in Israel they don't have in a single other Arab country. Until the Arab world can figure that out they have no right to accuse them of Apartheid/Genocide/etc. They are hypocrites and no this isn't whataboutism.

>>2894865
Anon. . . Palestinians are a separate nationality from Israelis. Apartheid is literally defined as racial segregation and discrimination. Palestinian / Arab, get it? You DO know the history of Israel-Palestine, RIGHT?

>>2894776
Would Israel be as how it is currently if there were religious jewish extremists that tried to overthrow every attempt of a modern world for sharia law? Tho I dont think that could ever happen since jewish religion is not one of murder. But still Israel had a vantage ever since its creation against is muslim neighbors in an economically, cultural, political and military way.

>>2894917
...so if the bush niggers of Rhodesia were given more state autonomy it wouldn't be apartheid then?

Fuck off schlomo you're pathetic, all the heterogeneous societies of MENA would have worked just as well as israel they simply didn't have nukes.

If you want a multicultural society you need apartheid and nukes.

>>2894922
Turkey is Muslim and its GDP per capita is three times that of Syria's despite not having anywhere near as much as the money-printing machine known as oil (which was 23% of Syria's GDP in 2008). It's also considerably more stable than Syria despite being just as multi-ethnic as Syria. It's an Arab problem, not a Muslim problem.

>>2894954
Turkey doesnt have extremist right? As another question, whats the difference btw Sunni, Shia, Beduin and such that seem to live together in the middle east and which one could be blamed for how shitty is it currently?

>>2894977
>Turkey doesnt have extremist right?

They do, just not as much as the Arab World and they mostly keep a lid on them.

>>2894948
as someone mentioned earlier, there are palestinians who are Israeli citizens and have full rights of citizens. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza don't want to have the full rights of Israeli citizens, what they want is to be more autonomous, in fact their ultimate goal is an independent state. if Israel tried integrating them into the state of Israel there would be a shitstorm

>>2894380
Lebanon is proof that you should never let fucking refugees into your country.

>>2895014
Not a really comparable situation to pretty much any other state in the world. Lebanon's population is literally 30% refugees at this point because their neighbors (particularly Syria and Palestine) suck so much. Feel bad for them desu.

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>>2894948
Nazareth, the Arab capital of Israel, home of thousands of ex Palestinian Arabs who became Israeli citizens. Totally apartheid. They clearly don't have the same rights as "muh schlomos".

Also, Pakistan has both nukes and US support, still an utterly shit country that makes empty threats against Israel.

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>>2894948
>MUHH SCHLOMO

You refuted nothing. Palestinians aren't Israeli citizens. They are cry babies who have done nothing whatsoever to help the peace process. They should have accepted the 94% if they wanted a state.

>>2894405
India should have allied more strongly with the U.S., maybe then we wouldn't have had to use Pakistan as a missile silo

>>2894380
Jordan is a shithole that woulde be worse if the US and Israel stopped funding it

>>2895123
I'm not Jewish, you still haven't brought up a single point. Why should Palestinians get Israeli rights when they aren't Israelis? Is Puerto Rico an Apartheid state?

>>2895123
>typical jew LOL JOOS le redpilll

I'm embarrassed for you

>>2895137
Puerto Ricans are us citizens. Keep on walking Moshe.

>>2894401
Bullshit

>>2895137
>Is Puerto Rico an Apartheid state?

Yes, it is. The fascist USA has Puerto Ricans in an open air prison and refuses them basic human rights. They can't vote in elections, and can't travel in the same way a regular American can.

>>2895146
>Puerto Ricans are us citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_voting_rights_in_Puerto_Rico

>Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President.

Why aren't citizens of the US allowed to vote? Why do you allow this apartheid to continue?

>>2895146
>everyone who BTFOs me is a Jew
Jews must really be the master race then

>>2895157
Puerto Ricans can vote all they want to on the mainland us.

Can Palestinians?

Moshe you are sad and pathetic

>>2895164
>Can Palestinians?

Yes, if they decide to become Israeli citizens. They refuse to because they don't want to recognize Israel. Israelis who live in the west bank can't vote for Palestinians, why is that?

>>2894435
It's really hard to do this when you have American and Germans using taxpayers cash to prop up your economy

>>2895168
>Israelis who live in the west bank can't vote for Palestinians, why is that?
Because they're settlers expanding the borders of their apartheid ethno state illegally?

>>2895164
>Moshe you are sad and pathetic
>>2895146
>Keep on walking Moshe.
>>2895123
>op kek typical jew
>Can you kikes BE any more predictable?
>Oh well what can you expect, you people
>>2894948
>Fuck off schlomo you're pathetic

Where the fuck are the mods at. This bullshit /pol/-tier discussion shouldn't be allowed

>>2895164
Palestinian Israelis can. now if Israel is an aparteid state, why does it not matter what race or religion they are, but where they were born? hmm... the people who are seekinf independence and live in territory that Israel never integrated into their state for this reason aren't allowed to vote in Israeli elections, but are allowed to vote in elections for governing their own territory. that doesn't sound like an aparteid state at all.

>>2895184
Adding insults at the end of an argument is against the rules on 4chan now?

Lol you're a faggot

>>2895174
My point was Palestinians have their own elections. Israelis living their can't vote, in the same way Palestinians who aren't Israelis can't vote. The fact that you can't comprehend this is worrisome.

I blame Jordan for not nationalizing the Palestinians more than I blame Israel. After the 1948 civil war resulting in the establishment of the Israeli state, as far as Israel was concerned the so called Palestinian state was part of Jordan and was Jordan's responsibility. Jordan didn't want them, however, and only granted them permanent alien status rather than just annexing the Palestinian populations and assuming responsibility for the rebuilding and support of what was, for all intents and purposes, a Jordanian province. It would be like if the US lost Florida to a Jewish uprising, then refused to recognize the population of the Panhandle as having citizenship or voting rights because we were now the "States of America" rather than the "United States of America."

>>2895189
>argument

The problem is there is no argument. Every response is "LOL TYPICAL KIKE SHLOMO MOSHE HAHAHAHA" there is zero substance.

>>2895189
>Adding insults at the end of an argument is against the rules on 4chan now?

/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected.

>>2895197
Well sure if you ignore half the post. Faggot.

>>2895174
>Israel is an aparteid state for not allowing West Bank and Gaza Palestinians to vote
>Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegally expanding their borders
you can't have both

>>2895188
Israel disenfranchises large swathes of their entire territory, it's an apartheid state whichever way you want to slice the cake friendo...

>>2895206
There is no other half of the post. No argument whatsoever. Fuck off faggot. Find me one argument in >>2895123 I promise you can't. Find me one argument in >>2894948 I promise you can't.

If your argument is calling be kikes, i'm sorry you don't have one.

>>2894479
Revival of the ancient kurdish empire, for starters

>>2895192
good post

>>2895215
There is. Can you not read? The idea that it's not apartheid because citizenship is being denied is being called out.

You illiterate shit for brains.

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>>2895192
Fuck off Israeli apologist. Jordan has does more for Palestinians every year than Israel has in it's entire inception. Israel is objectively the most morally reprehensible country in the world. The Apartheid in Israel makes South African apartheid look like nothing.

So receiving hundreds of millions and eventually billions of aid from USA doesn't contribute anything to israel. Srs question

>>2895225
>citizenship is being denied

Citizenship isn't being denied dipshit. They refuse to obtain Israeli citizenship because they don't recognize it.

>>2895214
aparteid state implies racial descrimination. the difference is citizenship status. West Bank and Gaza Palestinians don't even want to be Israeli citizens, they want to be independent. if they actually wanted to be Israeli citizens they would have it because the ultra-orthodox jews would be perfectly happy with the whole region being fully integrated into Israel and open to unlimited settlement

>>2895231
I think people just lack a sense of scale. Israel has a GDP of about $300 billion. US aid is a few billion a year and only started in earnest in the 70s. Foreign aid and especially favorable arms deals help, but they're not the reason Israel is a success.

>>2895230
more emotional, uninformed shilling

>>2895225
Okay i'll look for the argument. Let's go one by one.
>>2895123
>top kek typical jew
>the only thing that matters is the letter of the law but not the spirit
>Can you kikes BE any more predictable?
>Oh well what can you expect, you people built an entire religion out of being "technically" correct.

If you think this an argument you are the illiterate shit for brains.

>>2895248
>emotional

Very typical of your kind. I know you feel no remorse for the thousands of kids you kill and the children who are brutally slaughtered every day by Israel but I do. I feel bad for them because I have a soul and when I see kids every day slaughtered to bits and pieces by Israeli terrorists, it is sad. I'm sorry your kind has no empathy.

>>2895243
Aid started since the 40s tho

>>2895263
It's Israeli aplogetics 101
>THEY DO IT SO WE CAN DO IT
>SO? THEY ALSO DO IT
>PALESTINIANS AREN'T ISRAELI CITIZENS
>IT'S NOT APARTHEID, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXACTLY LIKE APARTHEID IN EVERY WAY

>>2895274
Literally what do you expect from people who do shit like this:

https://youtu.be/NdbkvJznmwU

>>2895264
no it didn't. the only thing the US did for Israel until LBJ was recognize them as a state. Eisenhower particularly was wary of supporting them because he thought that Israel was likely to become a soviet client state. Israel didn't gain US support until Egypt stopped wavering between the US and Soviets and went firmly into the soviet camp

>>2895274
>>PALESTINIANS AREN'T ISRAELI CITIZENS

Typing something in all caps doesn't make it untrue. Palestinians are their own state. They should have been Jordanians, but that didn't work out.

>>2895149
Why do you think Lebanon's president had to be a Maronite Christian? That Israel was created after they promised it to the Arabs. These mandates were created to be inherently unstable

>>2894885

There are plenty of Arabs who decided to be peaceful and were allowed to live in Israel proper.

Palestinians fucked it up by joining the Arabs that attacked and left their homes expecting to get it back when the Arabs one, but only thing is they lost horribly and now they got fucked over by the Arabs.

Oh and Palestinians are technically Jordanians but Jordan fucked them over by disavowing them and not letting them into the country except for camps.

>>2895288
This isn't true. Israel has been running off of other countries money since it's inception. Without the support of the West they would be nothing and wouldn't have won any of their wars.

>>2894954

Turkey was technically setup as a secular state, but Eurogan seems to be fucking that up at this point and the Turkish economy is suffering.

>>2895313
Most Turks never wanted that. Ottoturk was a Donmëh, or a Crypto Jew who ruined Turkey by trying to rid the influence of God. No one is falling for that secular shit anymore.

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>>2895274
It's not like apartheid in every way lol.
Palestinian Arabs who moved to Nazareth, got citizenship, and settled down, are treated no differently than the rest of Israel's citizens. That doesn't sound like apartheid at all.

Arabs in Israel can vote, Russians can vote, Ethiopians can vote. Why? Because they are citizens lol. So stop memeing and get to reading history books on both South Africa and Israel.

HURRR (you)

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>>2895310
They would be nothing without US aid. There is a reason the UN declares Israel as having the World’s worst human rights.

>>2895326
>There is a reason the UN declares Israel as having the World’s worst human rights.

Apparently people really hate Apartheid.

>>2895326

Hold up. The Palestinians shat in their beds years ago. Any criticism of Israel is pointless at this point. Unless you like living under Islam.

>>2894644
>literal forced sterilisation of ethiopian women

lol

>>2894380
>Were the Mandates the worst failure of the 20th century?

It would have been fine if the British hadn't tried to give land to Jews. They should've cut up Australia or Poland or something and given it to them. Why punish Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Holocaust?

>>2895288
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-1949-present
thanks for trying tho

>>2895317
>a caliphate that does not control any of the holy lands
what is the fucking point? mustafa kemal dindu nuffin wrong

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>>2895379

Palestians didn't exist in 1947 and the Jordanians living in the territories weren't forced to leave.

They left so they could join the Arabs declaring war on them thinking they get even more land when they get back.

Really, if the Arabs not declared war, then Palestians would stillb e Jordians and they would have plenty of land.

So its really their fault they fucked it up. Had their armies not been corrupt to the core and thought they could kill off all the Jews and take everything then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Other than a second holocaust.

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>>2895362
Didn't even happen. I have an Ethiopian friend with senpai in Israel and she told me all that's bullshit. It's less than half a dozen women making the claim that they didn't know the birth control lasted months? If you think that's sterilization I don't know what to tell you.

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Israel is cultural appropriation on steroids
>Steals Hebrew/Israelite identity from the indigenous people of the land (Palestinians)
>Claims divine right to steal land, slaughter children with no remorse
>Steals falafel, knafeh, sahlab and, of course, hummus.
>Bans Muslims from their holiest sites
>Commit cultural genocide on the Palestinian people
>Whitewash the history of Palistina
Why is this okay?

>>2895555
>Israel is cultural appropriation on steroids

No one can know the facts about them and still support the Zionist regime. They build settlement on privately owned Palestinian land then tell them to fuck off. Somehow a permanent occupation isn't considered Apartheid.

>>2895561
>>2895555
samefag

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>>2895285

I watched the entire video and still have no fucking idea what’s going on?

“Oh no, it’s the sabbath, I can’t flip a switch!”
“But with Kosher Switch, all you need to do is flip a switch and Yahweh isn’t pissed off!”
Wow! Thank you, deranged fundamentalist Jewish inventor!”

>>2895582
Something something quantum physics

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>>2895576
Are facts too hard for you to handle?

>>2895555
Never mind that genetic testing of the Samaritans, the only remaining indigenous southern Levantine population, show them to be genetically closer to Jewish populations then Arab one.

Arabs are not natives to the Levant or Mesopotamia they are historically recent invaders from the south that fucked up west Asia for all time.

>>2894420
That's not an internationally accepted definition of a terrorist organization

>>2894468
Israel is basically a failed state

American foreign aid to Israel represents something like 1% of Israeli GDP, 70% of said aid must be spent of American military equipment. There are factions in Israel that oppose aid from the United States because they think it makes America feel like they can dictate policy to Israel.

The idea that Israel is a paper tiger without America is a stupid meme created by Arabs to make them feel better about their own failed societies.

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>>2895660
>There are factions in Israel that oppose aid from the United States because they think it makes America feel like they can dictate policy to Israel.

MOSHE

>>2894404
>Hamas
>Major political party in Lebanon

t. burger kang

>>2895582

The idea is that the device is continually trying to turn itself on but being suppressed, so you're not actually "turning it on", you're merely "preventing it from being prevented from being turned on". Yes it's retarded, welcome to religion.

>>2895306
>Palestinians are Jordanians

Only because Palestinians displaced by the war which resulted from the creation of an unjust colonial state on the territory on which they used to live ended up taking shelter in Jordan, and Israel decided to call them jordanians so they didn't have to deal with a huge amount of returning Arabs who didn't want anything to do with a Jewish settler state after the war was over, but OK

>>2894405
t. rajdeep prukasamutra

>>2894954
>completely ignores any differing circumstances(the centuries long buildup of history and geographical location has no part to play in discussing a compare and contrast between neighboring countries) and assumes all muslim nations must develop the same otherwise it's a race issue


I can't believe I share this board with these idiots

>>2894776
>unironiclly posting that picture


There's fun ironic humor and theres obvious ignorance, at least try to be somewhat clever, this is trash shitposting

>>2896328
Arab isn't a race.

>>2895136
>person who has definitely been to Jordan or at least read more than a headline about the country

>>2895352
That's it, you settled it. Your knack for geopolitical problems is outstanding, you need to write a book

>>2895295
>Why do you think Lebanon's president had to be a Maronite Christian?
Because Christians are all around more civil than Muslims?
>That Israel was created after they promised it to the Arabs.
That's another story entirely but has nothing to do with the borders of the mandates. If the world still used those borders Israel would be combined with Jordan right now.

>>2895408
>Palestians didn't exist in 1947 and the Jordanians living in the territories weren't forced to leave


'Jordanians' didn't exist, 'Lebanese' didn't exist, 'Iraqis' didn't exist, 'Saudi Arabians' didn't exist, 'Kuwaites' didn't exist, 'Somalians' didn't exist, 'Pakistanis' didn't exist. You can say that about most post colonial nations, you say because there wasn't a country of Palestine but the word 'Palestinians' is the word for the people living in the area as its been centuries, just like most of those post colonial nations formed after WW2. The only reason this argument isn't used anywhere else is because Isreal has no interest in the land. If they sent them to Madagascar they'll be claiming there's no such thing as 'Madagascarians'

>>2895157
You can't vote if you live in Washington, D.C. either. Just saying

>>2896379
>, 'Lebanese' didn't exist,
False you retard. Lebanase are an ancient nation/region like Greeks or Armenians. Same with Jordanians. Saudi Arabians are just Peninsula Arabs who live in the realm of the house of Saud.

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>>2894479

>>2894405
your entire people were ruled by an outnumbered muslim dynasty for almost 600 years

>>2895022
Should've never let them in. Phalangite killing squads when?

>>2894669
>another episode of yo evil Yisrael funded by the great satan lobby

>>2896399
You're right, noone lived in modern Israel until 1948. Good job bud.

>>2894404
>Hamas
>Lebanon

American Detected

>>2896446
>secular islamic republic of rom
what did he mean by this?

>>2896446
>secular islamic republic of rom
lol
also, you still kick out the Palestinians, but this time it's even less justifiable!

>>2896399
You are literally arguing against yourself. The people of Lebanon were called Lebanese because they inhabited the region of Lebanon, there was never a Lebanese nation with Lebanese citizens or subjects exactly like Palestinians from the region of Palestine. And Jordan is a made up nation conforming to the 'transjordan' region of the Roman Empire, it didn't ever exist or was ever referred to a seperate entity, let alone a region, under the arabs. And it's amazing that you ignore every other country in listed..

>>2896500
>>2896560
Both of you fail to address the fact that the mandates have nothing to do with what you're complaining about. I may as well complain that the Ottoman empire had a province called Mosul which didn't sync up to ethnic homogeneity.

>>2896560
>The people of Lebanon were called Lebanese because they inhabited the region of Lebanon
How do you think nation form? A group of people in a shared region with shared customs create create them.

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>>2896446

>secular islamic republic

Laughing at all of you saying MENA isn't diverse Lololol.
Kurds, assyrians, Arabs, iranian, shabak, mandean.

>>2896685
>Kurds
Arabs don't want them to have a state, most see it as the West "carving up arab lands" like Israel
>Assyrians
They deserve a tiny nation or autonomous region, but because of their beef with Kurds probably won't happen
>Shabak
Aren't these guys just a sub-set of Kurds?
>Mandaeans
There are only 70,000 of them left, mainly because they've been slaughtered so relentlessly over the years for being pagans

>>2896689
>There are only 70,000 of them left

This is the case with most Middle Eastern non-people of the book. It's sad so many Semitic languages will never be spoken again because their cultures were annihilated by Arabs. Imagine if Lebanese spoke Phoenician, Syrians spoke Aramaic, Egyptians spoke an extension of Egyptian language (which only Copts do)

>>2896664
When did I dispute this? I'm arguing the legitimacy of these post colonial nations is the same as the legitimacy of the Palestian nation, you are describing the reason the Palestinians have the same level of reference as the Lebanese before WW2

>>2896689
And nothing you said doesn't take away from the fact that these countries are diverse. Kurds make up a huge chunk of Iraq.

>>2894404
Hamas are freedom fighters

>>2894401
This. The British were keenly aware of how much multiculturalism makes a state weak and vulnerable. It's how they took India, after all. Drawing borders to include different nations of peoples under the same state is so obviously going to end poorly that it can only be explained as deliberate..

>>2894465
On the other hand they're Shia and not Sunni so that makes them preferably by default.

>>2894401

They didn't do it on purpose. The Europeans were just fucking retards, and for all of their orientalist studies they didn't know jack shit about the ethnic/religious differences within those areas. For example Orientalists did study Islamic history,but they didn't know how to differentiate the Alawites from the Sunnis.

This shit is so obvious, by even the names they chose for the middle-east provinces, like Lebanon, Syria and Palestine which were drawn up during the Roman empire and hadn't been in use as ethnic self-designations after the spread of Islam.

Look up how they drawed up the borders in Africa, separating entire ethnic,language,religious,tribal groups into artificial borders because they didn't know jack shit about indigenous history or because of inter-colonial competition.

>>2894380

Everything the British touched were a failure (especially in the 20th cen.)

>>2894440
>cuck for foreign powers
>literally created to kick out foreign forces

>>2895408
>Palestians didn't exist in 1947

Neither did Israelis. Fuck off kike

>>2895243
>Foreign aid and especially favorable arms deals help, but they're not the reason Israel is a success.

US aid to Israel is about 1% of its GDP. Now government budget of Israel is 100 billion dollars which would put US aid to 3%. Consider this: Most countries' military budget doesn't come close to topping 3% and Israel gets more than that for free every year from USA.

>>2895326
>There is a reason the UN declares Israel as having the World’s worst human rights.
And considering the UN is so non-biased
on the subject of Israel that means a whole lot. Oh wait...

>>2897154
Why do those ethnic and religious differences matter when diversity is strength? They should have been helpful, not hurtful.

>>2896724
Some Christians in Syria speak their own form of Aramaic (along with a portion of the speakers in Turkey). The religiously mixed villages of Maloula also speak a unique form. By that post you probably know some Mandaeans speak it too. I also speak it.

>>2896689
Are you sure Mandaeans are considered pagans / not people of the book? I think I heard otherwise.

>>2896904
Bullshit. The British ,mandates weren't any more ethnically divided than the Ottoman Empire or any state which has ever existed in that empire.

>>2896724
>>2896689
>>2897643
Mandaeans are considered people of the book (Sabians) and are gnostics. Not pagans. They venerate Saint John the Baptist. The reason for their demise was the Islamic fundamentalism spread because the USA destroyed Iraq. Before hat they were doing pretty good.

>>2897647
They were in proportion to their mainline cultures and therefore the power to survive them.

The primary culture and ethnicity in most regions were cut up enough to make their minorities a still larger in proportion. It's a lot like gerrymandering when you break it down.

>>2897678
Again, bullshit. Do you think the Babylonian empire, Umayyad Caliphate or Assyrian empire formed around muh ethnic lines? Also do you have a single citation back up your claim which is nothing more than a baseless liberal circle jerk?

>>2896689
This is total nonsense. Christians and Jews have lived in complete peace under Islam since it's inception. It wasn't until Israel tried to carve out Arab lands that there was a problem.

>>2894405
Pakistan is pretty much one of two or three countries, along with Saudi Arabia and maybe Israel, where the world would be a better place if it was wiped off the map.

>Promise Arabs independence if they help fuck up the Turks
>Promise Jews independence
>Neither get what they want
>Start fighting the minute the first Jewish settlers come in
I'd say it's part of the problem, but not the biggest one when Shia and Sunni still fight over shit based on who should be in charge of a Caliphate that collapsed before the turn of the first century is somehow still a major issue

>>2894476
It's almost like apartheid works.

>>2897808
>Christians and Jews have lived in complete peace under Islam since it's inception.
All those Christian women raped lived in such harmony, amirite?

>>2898013
>first century
I think you're off by a few years there buddy. But I agree.

>>2898013
>Shia and Sunni still fight over shit based on who should be in charge of a Caliphate

They do? I thought Shia were done with that and started just doing ayatollahs

>>2898524
Syria is a microcosm of it, they already won Iraq

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>>2894380
>Were the Mandates the worst failure of the 20th century?
No. The mandates were going to work, but after WW2. The European Empires collapsed and America became the world Hegemon. America is an insanely Zionist country. They have started multiple wars just to defend Israeli interests.
Pic related is from Hilary Clinton's leaked emails.
America literally fucked over Syria and Assad just to make sure Israel keeps hold of its Nuclear Monopoly.

>>2899707
>That pic
Thank God Hitlery Cunton isn't president.

>>2895408
First of all, Israel's main ideology is Zionism, which is a supremacist ideology, Hell, even the original jews who lived with Palestinians in peace during that time OPPOSED Zionism, but guess what happened to them? Zionist sanctioned assassinations on these jews

Second, A nation that relies on genocide,assassinations and forced deportations should not exist, for example the Qibya massacre, the assassination of political leaders OVERSEAS (like the attack at the PLO organization in Tunisia in the 80s-90s)

Third, Israel is not only a danger to the Palestinians or the inbred Hamas retards, they are a threat to the middle east (Israel fuelled unrest in the middle east, by helping groups like ISIS)

Fourth, Israel blackmails the entire world with the Samson option

Fifth and last point, Israel is nothing but an Ethnostate that treats Palestinians, Druze, Ethiopians and other ethnic and religious minorities as second class citizens, So much for "best country in the middle east"

Jewish Terrorism in Israel (Columbia Studies in Terrorism and Irregular Warfare)
Discusses how Jewish-Zionist ethno-nationalist terrorism was keystone to the formation of the State of Israel and the expulsion of Arabs from Palestine and Israel
http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Columbia-Studies-Irregular-Warfare/dp/023115447X

Lehi and Irgun, two Jewish terrorist groups that terrorized Arabs and Brits in pre-Israel Palestine in the 1930s and 1940s.
Guess who headed them? None other than future Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29

>TLDR jews created an illegal state using terrorism and massacres
>and yes, this is a pasta, you fuck.

>>2899945
>Hell, even the original jews who lived with Palestinians in peace during that time OPPOSED Zionism

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

At first maybe, but after the Hebron Massacre where Hebron Jews one of the most ancient Jewish communities were slaughtered was way before any Zionist militias started.

That was what triggered the Zionist Militias.

>>2899945
>Lehi and Irgun, two Jewish terrorist groups that terrorized Arabs and Brits in pre-Israel Palestine in the 1930s and 1940s.

It's inconvenient for you to mention why they were created in the first place I see. Typical partisan, just point out how "Jewish terrorists" popped up but not what created them.

>>2898086
>All those Christian women raped lived in such harmony, amirite?

That never happened. Islam forbids this. Christian and Jews have lived in complete harmony with us other than a couple incidents over the past thousand years. This whole "bombing churches" is very new and not Islamic whatsoever.

>>2894644
>50℅ of people are stateless and under millitary occupation

>>2900589
They have the PA, they signed the Oslo Accords so why do they get to bitch about it now? Israel has area C, they have area A and B

>>2900622
Ignoring the fact that Bibi prides himself in stopping Oslo, that 50℅ are still under occupation, stateless, and bombed to shit every couple of years.

Ignoring all the historical butthurt and nationalist bs, the occupied territories is the biggest stain on Israel's claim to first-world status

>>2900573
Not the guy you're talking to, but go ahead and list the reasons they were created for?

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>>2896446
>Herat a part of Pashtunistan
>Mashhad a part of Turkmenistan

>>2900732
It's unfair to say either one started this whole issue, because the early Zionists were doing a lot of petty things when they arrived in Palestine. However, these were the main events that led to the militia groups and terrorism.
>1929 Safed Riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Safed_riots)
>1929 Hebron Massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre)
Keep in mind, these were both over conspiracy theories that Jews were planning to take over the Al-Aqsa Mosque so they went and started killing Jews. Most of the Jews killed were not Zionists, but were Mizrahi Jews. It's worth noting there most of the Jews were saved by Arabs, but every single Jew not hiding in an Arab home was killed and most women were raped. The 1929 riots led directly to these Militia groups forming. However, the real terrorism later on happened because the Zionists were pissed off that Brits were restricting Jewish immigration. However at first it was a direct response to 1929. It wasn't just European Jews who created these militias too, there were some Iraqi/Kurdish Jews who played major roles.

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>>2894380
>hezbollah
>terrorists
Go away, chaim

>>2900796
>these were both over conspiracy theories that Jews were planning to take over the Al-Aqsa Mosque

They were? I always heard they were a response to Zionist aggression...

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>>2897927

Ok Pajeet

>>2900804
Sounds like a sweet kid.

>>2900578
>That never happened.
>What is the entire history of the Balkans under Ottoman control?

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>>2896446
I raise you

>>2895619
We wuz..

>>2900578
>This whole "bombing churches" is very new and not Islamic whatsoever.

Exactly. Only burgers think this shit is old. Christians and Jews were brought a lot of opportunity because of Islam

>>2900948
>Christians were brought a lot of opportunity because of Islam
Opportunity for your mother and sister to be sex slaves in a harem, sure.

>>2900957
>Opportunity for your mother and sister to be sex slaves in a harem, sure.

Source?

>>2900932
my jibba

>>2895205
Lmao who gives a fuck nigger? GR 3 doesn't even mention /pol/ anyway faggot