What went wrong?

>>2893286
The government lost the ability to change with the changing economics. Same thing happened around late 19th century.

>>2893286
2008 season happened.

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>>2893286
Cold war legacy and being the sole superpower after 1991 leading to imperial overstretch. Combined with an overreaction to 9/11.

>>2893286
Philosophy doesn't contribute to capitalism. Why refine yourself if you can go through the motions—to school, to your job—and be a good little consumer—buying fidget spinners and iPhones until you're dead?

Overconfidence after 1991. America had another opportunity to basically rewrite the global order (the first opportunity was in 1945, when they were about 60% of the global GDP by themselves), to make things better. They got off to a good start with the Persian Gulf War, then fucked it up and decided to start intervening all over the world with no clear strategy or goal other than "muh freedom".

And now half the world hates them and the other half only likes them because they're useful. They were honestly more popular and influential when the Soviet Union was still around.

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>>2893286
The Counter Culture movement.

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>>2893286

Unbridled Turbo-Capitalism

>>2893286

Nothing. Go cry to your climate alarmist cuckolds.

>>2895043
This.

Biggest meme in I don't know how long.

>>2893286
SJW and feminism

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>>2893286
The delusions of the rest of the world

>>2895729
>Saved civilization
Name one trouble after WWI where the us wasn't part of the cause

Second gilded age, and rampant interventionist policies

The old WASP american was whittled away at and deconstructed. Who is an American any more? Who cares. America is a money transfer station for Chinese technocrats and Mexican day laborers now.

>>2895761
Being such a major world player our actions will always have some impact on issues all over the world. Being part of the cause is easy, being part of the solution is what counts.

>>2895761

Being the world hegemon has its downsides.

>>2895791
>>2895793
For how long tho? Looks like you cucked yourself with china

>>2895729
>Greece created civilization

Why are you even on /his/? The first civilisations were in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley.

>>2895810

>1.3 billion highly nationalist people who don't mind living shittier lives to please their government with nukes

what can you even do

>>2895026
Nothing went wrong there. They killed the potato nigger Catholic. Should Lyndon have finished his wife, too?

>>2895813
Good job opening your his textbook. We are clearly talking about western civ as is made obvious by the context. I see all that critical thinking training they do in HS has paid off.

>>2895810
china becoming the world hegemon is a complete meme.

>>2893286
>What went wrong?
Nobody knew or agreed upon what the hell America was suppose to be. Of course the answer is that America is a business.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

>>2895898
Western civilization was created my Mesopotamians you imbecile

>>2893286
PC

>>2896461
Not him, but...
>Not taking the Danube pill

>>2893286
<60% non hispanic white

>>2896461
Yeah totally, because we obviously share so many traditions and cultural aspects with mesopotamians

>>2893286
Classic case of rich child with no parents around. With no enemies after the Soviet Union we had literally nothing standing in our way of making fools of ourselves like sole powers tend to do. Additionally, or industrious and individualist culture turns against us when we are the uncontested super power and need to make collective, calculated decisions because we affect the entire world.

>>2893286
Boomers and the 60's

>>2895043
This more than anything

1965 Immigration act.

>>2893286
South won.

>>2895043
This demented faggot is singlehandedly responsible for no level-headed moderate ever voting Republican again.

>>2893286
Inherent problems of having a presidential system instead of a parliamentary, plus deification of the constitution and status quo government structures making it difficult to make necessary reforms. Sprinkle in a ton of sp00ky nationalism on top that has made accurate understanding of the rest of the world and how the US compares near impossible for your average American to get.

Nothing, everything's fine here. We could do some work on closing the income inequality gap.

I really don't care what people across the world think of our retard president or our foreign policy. If they're dumb enough to base their opinion of an entire country on our politicians, celebrities, and 4chan memes then fuck em.

>>2897192
>>2896987
>>2895574
Stay butthurt

>>2898055
>If they're dumb enough to base their opinion of an entire country on our politicians
I'm not entirely sure what you mean here, why would they not base their opinions of our country on the people who dictate our country's policy on the global front, especially certain politicians who institute a travel ban on countries whose people he said are a global threat or pulling out of a climate accord that only 2 (two) countries did not sign on to in the hopes of renegotiating a deal that would drastically favor US short term interests more than long term global economic prosperity. Plus when EU news outlets hear of how poorly the G-7 meeting went and see the tweets of our president they wonder how such a leader could continue to be so well supported by his countrymen.

Trump.

>>2898055
>If they're dumb enough to base their opinion of an entire country on our politicians,
America is a Democracy. The people are the ones who elect the leaders. If the leaders are dumb, then the people are dumb.

America deserves this. The rest of the world made it abundantly clear they weren't going to tolerate that absolute retard Republican behavior, and Republicans held fucking back and went full stubborn retard on everyone with absolutely no compromises, honestly idk what the fuck they were thinking strolling in like some sort of dictatorship throwing executive orders everywhere and fucking up everything like there would be absolutely no consequences

Engaging in the Cold War and not just reaping the benefits of the post-war economy and eventually returning to isolationism

>>2893389
This.

and because our government spends absurd quantities of money on "defense" spending when it should be addressing glaring problems like education, infrastructure, and corrections

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>>2893286

September 17th, 1862

>>2893383

>imperial anything

>>2898322
>I don't pay taxes
>I wouldn't vote for a tax increase
The state government pays for a majority of interior works projects

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>>2893286
Institutionalized corruption (lobbying) since the gilded age, consumerist cuture that promotes anti-intellectualism

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"'.
Isaac Asimov, Column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)

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>>2901023
>"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"'.
>Isaac Asimov, Column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)
Holy shit this quote is so fucking true. As an American, I see this attitude everywhere like relativism, "just do what feels right," and contemporary brand loyalties (ie. iOS vs Anroird fanatics)

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>>2901050
It's a symptom of marketing, which has permeated almost every aspect of life in America. Objectivity is marginalized in favor of relativism in a consumerist culture based on equally-meritorious individualist preferences. Politicians use marketing strategies when running campaigns and testing positions/slogans for popularity. Unqualified political positions on scientific matters are given the same consideration as facts they conflict with.

These are all symptoms of the economy's financiers' and owners' stranglehold on policymaking through lobbying, made palatable by an army of Madison Ave-style snake oil salesmen masquerading as subject matter experts

In the short term: Idiocracy actually happening.
In the long term: being a thing in the first place.

>>2898189

I love how you braindead morons have to fabricate some apocalyptic fairytale land where the country is in shambles to fit your narrative. America is still lightyears ahead of every other country on the planet in terms of wealth, military power, technology, medicine, etc... and hasn't even yet come close to wavering in any sector...other than not appealing to some beta Canadians and beta Europeans which I have found lately to be the most vocal about America's policies when it comes to shit you read online. Fuck off

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>>2901119
There's no need to be upset, friend. Pointing out things you don't like about something shouldn't provoke this kind of hysterical rant

>>2901109
In idiocracy they listen to the smart person

>>2901119

who knows why they are like this

either way, they are pathetic

>>2901133
sorry its the autism

i stand by what i said tho

>>2901119
The Midwest is like a third world nation

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>>2896798

Money don't get everything it's true
What it don't get, I can't use
Now give me money
That's what I want
That's what I want, yeah
That's what I want, wah

>>2901150
Sorry for the browbeating, I'm sure most people itt agree the post you replied to was pretty theatrical desu

>>2893286
Nothing if I had to guess. It feels awesome here. Idk how it looks from your side. I travel a lot and I'm glad to be back every time.

>>2895037
I can't tell if this is serious or not

>>2898081
t. Someone who doesn't understand economics

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>>2895043
FUCKING HIRING AN ACTOR OR TV PERSONALITY AS THE HEAD OF STATE DOESNT WORK OUT DOES IT?? (Small letters)

jews took over both major political parties and it became a puppet state of israel

>>2894998
merely a side-effect

>>2895813
to /his/ western civilization is the ONLY civilization

>>2896789
Only slightly less than we share with ancient Greeks

basically really just 9/11

oh and 4chan

Let's crash this
See the truth from the womb is a fool-proof plan to be doomed while the damned do they dances
So I move through the room like an animal fooling a master
But I don't got love for the hand with the food, matter fact I am drooling at that shit
I don't only bite, but I'm rabid
Try to pet my fucking head again and I'mma put a tooth through the flesh of the palm that you jack with
This city just screams black magic, and the threat to my heart got traction
Maybe should've never started this path
Every time I get a chance to advance, it's backwards
No thanks to my very own actions
Get a couple good drinks in the kid
I can flip on a friend, take a drug, fuck a chick that I shouldn't
Oh god, I am one of those mad men

Made in America home of the (eagle)
Home of the (anger), home of the (evil)

>>2893286
It's garbage by design. What can you expect of nation created of thugs and plebs migrated from Europe.

Don't wanna be an American idiot
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind-fuck America

>>2901432
>to /his/ western civilization is the ONLY civilization
Now i understand why this board isn't taken seriously anymore.

>>2902144
Prove it wrong.

>>2893286
They started to add stars for the new states and thus ruined the aesthetics of the flag.

>>2902434
>Prove it wrong.
I don't need to. Anyone can pick up a history book and see the claim that ''Western civilization is the only civilization'' is pure and utter delusion. Every civilization no matter how formerly great, has ended. The Liberal Hedonistic Materialistic Western civilization that you Lionize and glorify so much will not be any different.

Shows like Jerry Springer and shit showing the US for the degenerative state it is.

>>2898055
>democractically elected governments are not representative
Okay

>>2901023
Good post

>>2901432
>>2902144
/pol/ doesn't consider anything except Western civilization as civilization.

/his/ does, and it triggers /pol/tards endlessly.

>>2893286
60 years of industrial grade propaganda has turned the general electorate into simple minded morons incapable of telling fact from fiction, truth from lies.
The human mind is very much like a computer. Garbage in == garbage out. American media is thoroughly saturated in propaganda of all sorts and kinds leading Americans into a morass of bad information, bad choices, and bad decisions.

The only way they can save their republic would be to outlaw lying, and raise the consequences to include even execution for the most grievous cases. But we know they will never do that because they've enshrined lying as free speech right along with almost everything else. Even libel and slander is damned hard to prosecute in the U.S..
Now every group of Americans with any axe to grind and a few dollars in their pockets can wage a propaganda campaign nationally on an industrial scale. And people no longer give a fuck about truth, honesty, facts, or ethics. They just make shit up and scream it loud and often till others start believing it.
This is true of everything from "global warming is a Chinese hoax" and "pizzagate", to "666 genders", and "Black Lives Matter". Everything, absolutely everything, is now a propaganda campaign.
Propaganda now permeates every news and information source in the U.S.. Nothing is safe, not even universities and govt. research institutions. You can't rely on anything coming out of the United States anymore. If a source is in any way associated with the United States, then it is probably propaganda.

In that environment, there is no way an average citizen can make intelligent, informed decisions. Not for living, not for buying, not for voting. The result is as you can see the state of American affairs today.

>>2895043
Reagan is a fine example of what I'm saying.
Look at Reagan's history before becoming Governor of California.
He was a propaganda mouthpiece for 30 years. He got the job because he was so charming and charismatic.
The national Association of Manufacturers used his charm and charisma in their anti union//pro business propaganda campaign for 30 years. 30 years in which he literally had "handlers" who shadowed him everywhere he went, feeding him pro business propaganda.
After 30 years, there was not a thought in Reagans head that was not put there by his handlers.

And the result is as obvious as it was predictable.

Nothing, in the end the country's gonna cannibalize itself

The only hope (and what is likely to happen), is an internal coup that ends up just being the CIA holding a gun to everyone's head while they reform the constitution. .

Success of the cold war.

Our democratic republic was never intended to rule the entire world nor was it designed to.

We'll lose the global hegemony thing someday but we'll never be a shithole.

The day the rest of the world volunteers to become like us is the day the world starts to straighten itself out.

>>2902678
Truth is overrated

>>2903253
This

Ironically enough, the phenomenon represented by Trump is its own cure.

We will pull back some from the world, focus on internal issues, and prepare for when we are ready to save everyone again.

>>2893286
Stoping eugenics and making the best region for empire get ruled by a bunch of consumer drones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUsVZ-gF0GA

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What do you think

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The fact that it is becoming increasingly non-white and the size of federal and local government is creeping ever larger.

>>2903589
this is a fucking travesty, and no one in the political mainstream dares talk about it

>>2895043
nah, ronny was probably the last good president. LBJ was the one who allowed tens of millions of spics and africans to flood into the country

>>2893286
It gained independence.

>>2902678
>There is no way for average citizens to make intelligent informed decisions
Please don't project your failures onto an entire nation.

A: The rest of the world not being America.
B: The government becoming hopelessly convoluted and overbearing in some areas after 240 years of democracy.

Puritans
>Love of Jews
>Hatred of any dissent
>Hatred of modernity
It's literally everything wrong with America

. Florida here. Is there anything that's going on that I should be worried about? It's just another comfy rainy day, most people I know are working and the ones that aren't are bums. My cousin's business are doing well, my coworkers have been taking their vacations and not complaining about pay. Even though I live in one of the, if not THE most diverse part of the country , there is no racial tensions or refugee crisis and everyone gets along here great (except the new Yorkers, fuck them). And as far as I know no one is being beheaded in large groups of numbers.

What's going on? Plz explain it to me

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>>2893286

1960s unrestricted immigration. The founding fathers would be ashamed.

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>>2904476
>there is no racial tensions

>>2893286
Neoliberalism

>>2901152

t. Miguel Rodriguez de la Rosa

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>>2893286
Over-expansion.
Bringing in slaves.
Messing with the Constitution.

The United States is better smaller. As it is now, it is just a matter of time for the country to fracture when this current cold civil war gets hot. Once it does, we'll get some new country that carries on as the legacy of the original, smaller United States established at the beginning.

>>2904585

what a lot of rot

Liberalism.

>>2893286
Everything.

>>2903589
>America on the decline because of brown people
>Not because of the the economic growth of other nations

The biggest reason that we did so well post war was because we had very little to compete with on the global scale. Our fortune declined as the rest of the world developed.

>>2903638
What's a travesty about it?

>>2904611

uneducated hordes of short brown foreigners taking residence in our country

>>2904616
>our country

Lel you imported them for cheap labor and now you're upset they're outbreeding you?

You're as uneducated as they are.

>>2904630

no one imports them, they flout our laws to stay here

a pox on them

>>2904630

I would put forth that you're uneducated

you're a foreigner after all

common core

>>2904635
>flyover state denizen calling anyone uneducated

>>2904642

You haven't any idea where I live.

>>2904633
You imported blacks en masse and plenty of Mexicans were brought in to work for cheap. The entire agriculture industry of the US is run on illegal imigrant labor.

>they flout our laws
Nobody is stopping you from working in the fields for $2.50 an hour. You can replace all of those illegals you hate so much with just a little hard work.

>>2904665
>burgers
>working in manual labor.
nah, they will collect their neetbux from functional states and whine about it. Middle america is literally /r9k/: the geographical expanse.

>>2904665

your reply is nothing but a lot of nonsense

illegals either crossing illegally, or skipping out on their visas is a crime, and has nothing to do with whether or not I work below the legal wage

secondly, I did not import blacks, the south did, much to the chagrin of everyone else, and I'd like you to prove that everyone in agriculture is an illegal

>>2904671

maybe we'll just shoot you, we do that too don't we

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Has any other country willingly given up their status of global dominance and primacy?

>>2904679
>shoot
all you shoot is opiates son.

>>2904679
>When faced with the facts, the stupid american will resort to violence in its confusion

Pottery

>>2904686

speak for yourself faggot

>>2904689
Great comeback faggot

>>2904688

I'm not surprised this went over your head. Foreigners aren't known for critical self aware analysis.

>>2904692

Thank you. ;)

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>>2895043

>>2903791
The average citizen objectively has not the time, money, skills and perseverance necessary to research the truth of every piece of information he receives.

Thus, the average citizen, objectively, cannot make intelligent informed decisions.

>>2904684
England did after WWII. They divested themselves of most colonies.

>>2893389
Fuck you fidget spinners are great

>>2904715

what is the deal with this annoying fad

it literally wasn't anywhere a month ago

>>2904684
The Paris Accords are nothing. Literally nothing.

>>2904714
they were forced to by the americans.

>>2904750

well to be honest they were giving the egyptians a raw deal

>>2904739
>can't even sign a non binding pledge to reduce carbon emissions

>>2904751
they wanted to continue in india and proposed dominion status in the distant future.

>>2904616
How is this good or bad? They're basically doing the same thing that lower class white Americans have been doing.

As far as I can see they're no better or no worse.

>>2904758

except that they are not wanted, there are way way too many of them, and they are ugly

>>2904752
Surely if the rest of the world really cares about the climate they won't mind picking up the americans' slack?

>>2904771
that's literally what is happening. It's just going to be pretty fucking shite now that the second largest producer of greenhouse gases and the largest by capita is not going to do a thing about it.

>>2904764
Except that we have visas being handed out left right and center and a lot of people want cheap migrant labor.

It's pretty obvious that people want them.

>>2904818

no, I don't and I'm not alone

if you have no legal basis to be here you are not wanted here

end of the discussion really

>>2904821
Except plenty of them have legal basis to be hear. We have a lot of people that come here on visas. My family included.

>>2904823

if you are living and working in the united states on a travel visa or expired visa, or in any other way operating outside of the law in terms of your status, then you fall into the category of illegal alien

>>2893286
Lost their idealism

>>2896789
Society in the western world hasn't changed that much in terms of structure since it's inception in the fertile crescent. The main difference being that the Greeks made human sacrifice unfavorable.

>>2893286
Nothing, because it was bound to happen anyway

http:// bit dot ly forwardslash 2qz8rbF

>>2898055
>democratically elected politicians
>politicians need to reflect their voters' interests to stay in power

The good thing about Trump and the Republicans is that they've exposed just how selfish, ignorant and greedy the average American really is.

>>2901119
>muh top line figure

And how much of that are you personally benefiting from, retard? Enjoy being a slave to health insurance companies for the rest of your life.

>>2905214
To which a Republican voter might reply:
The good thing about this election is that it shows how Democrats do not care one iota about the manufacturing and agricultural jobs that the South and Rust Belt rely one for their livelihood, they would rather gut those jobs and create new jobs in clean energy that you need an engineering degree for even though they know we can't pay for college and would rather import cheap foreign workers than help out their felloe American because they see us as backwards, xenophobic, and racist.

>>2893286
Nothing.

>>2905246
There are twice as many jobs in solar than coal in the USA today.

>>2905262
And how many of those solar workers came from the coal industry, close to 0. I'm not trying to knock clean energy alternatives or even try to justify the asinine continued reliance on an industry that no one wants to use price wise, all I'm saying is so many people miss out on the human element of the equation. When you grandfather was a coal miner, your father was a miner, and you're on welfare not able to pay your second mortgage on a $200 a month trailer you would be understandably upset when someone tells you you are never going yo get your job back and aren't qualified for any other job than working at WalMart

>>2902694
>pro business propaganda
>privatized propaganda
no

>>2904684
>refusing to hamstring your own industries and simultaneously shell out neetbux for other shithole countries to reduce emissions that they barely produce
>willingly giving up global dominance

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>>2895729
>Rome
>not shown as "ultimate civilization"

>>2905338
By refusing to invest in long term sustainable energy his policies are hamstringing our long term global dominance; by the time solar and other sustainables are cheaper than oil and natural gad other countries will be years of not decades farther along in infrastructure and the US will have to play catch up, and that's not going into the massive trade imbalances that will arise when China takes over the US's spot in the TPP. Stripping environmental regulations as an attempt to help the coal industry won't save it simply because there is no desire to buy coal when natural gas is cheaper and more energy efficient, literally every state except for Nebraska has seen their coal demand plummet in the past 2 years.

>>2904585
>Cascadia doesn't include the Cascade mountain range

kys my man

>>2895761
>after WWI
>implying western civilization was saved

>>2893286
turning their back on God, King and Country
>protestantism, aka atheism lite
>autistic screeching at a king who had essentially become subordinate to parliament
>open borders for the last 50 years

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>>2901152
>The Midwest is like a third world nation

>>2905309
Which is why an american candidate literally had pages upon pages of plans to actually train coal miners and help them find jobs in more emerging industries.

Oh wait, coal miners voted for the person who said that he had a secret plan to make coal great again.
>>2905246
Those manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. You were offered training and a way out of that gridlock, you chose to sit there and keep waiting for coal to pick up again.

>Federal Reserve
>Progressive Income Tax
>Senate no longer representing the States
>giving women the right to vote
>lowering the voting age to 18
>Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid Pyramid scheme
>War on Drugs
>War on Poverty/GreatSociety
>nigger culture/ignorance being lauded instead of shamed
>cultural relativism/critical theory running rampant in academia

All these and more are the cancers ruining America.

>>2893292

Kind of a nutshell analysis that fails to take into account our overseas interventions, demographic insecurity among the majority, Reagan, and many other things. But not totally wrong.

>>2893286
They are a victim of their own success.

>>2906335
>>2906335
Victims of their own propaganda is more appropriate. America was at it's peak when the rest of the world was a crater that was recovering from 2 world wars and their biggest challengers were an inefficient oil trading economy.

Democracy.

>>2893286
Woodrow Wilson