When did you start believing in God again?

Are unironic sperge lords the Nietzschean ubermenschen of OUR time?

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I think you mean gods in which case, when I raided Christcuck monasteries and took all their shit

where did you find this pic of me

>>2888458
t. James 'Thorsbjorn' Smith

First year of uni, went full Orthodox, with the fasting and all. I spent two years studying various religions, especially the Abrahamic ones and decided to become a Catholic for rationalistic rasons, but in the last minute, I've felt a mystical, powerful and unexplainable calling toward Orthodoxy and went with it.

>>2888568
>tfw when you let your reason become the slave of your passion

what else is new with theists?

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when the pink laser hit

when I was too much of a coward & brainlet to overcome nihilism..

>>2888427
I never did. But I view christianity and christians with great respect now, and visit churches whenever I travel somewhere.

>>2888427
When I realised that philosophy and science can't answer fundamental questions.

It's so fucking lame when people become religious by studying and picking which one "makes the most sense" or whatever. If you're going by what makes sense and is the most rational, you should be a fucking material reductionist or something. It's why converts are always extra fanatical. If you weren't born into it you're basically LARPing

>>2888427
was raised catholic and went pantheist.

>>2889010
That happens with teenagers and middle age crisis people. And they are mostly neither zealous nor sincere. What you fail to see are the people who converted because of some unique event that transcended the profane, like the self-sacrificial actions of a priest, or the beauty of a church or sermon.

College freshman year

When I realised I could become a pedo and get the protection of one of the most influential and richest organizations in the world.

>>2888427
When the thought of total annihilation of my conscious mind became too unbearable, I decided willing ignorance was the only way to stave off the unfathomable sadness.

>>2888427
i imagine that if i develop alzheimer's there could come a time when I'm transported back to the mindset of when I was a teenager and the fears of hell return. perhaps then I may believe in God again, or at least I'll go back to the madness of my freshman year of high school where I would lie awake at night worrying that if I slipped up and allowed myself to think "God does not exist" a demon would take over my body.

>>2888427

The older I get, the more I hate the idea of god. I'm past thirty and have never had any significant challenge to this view, so it's fair to say that I'm not changing. Even and especially in the case that god(s) actually existed, it would be necessary to /reject/ him.

>>2889010

This post is nice in that it (probably not intending to do so to read it, but it ends up doing it, all the same) implicitly shows that there are no valid reasons to be religious. The post correctly points out the disingenuous nature of "shopping" for religion, but at the same time, being accidentally born into a religion and "just going with it" is no better either, though the post suggests that it is.

>>2889371

There's nothing the least bit wrong with this. The idea is infinitely more humane than hell, for example - which is why, despite the adherents being stupid people who ruin the lives of their issue, I nevertheless like the doctrine of annihilationism as espoused by the jehovah's witnesses. Ironically, and along similar lines to the above, the witnesses are however not at all praiseworthy for believing this doctrine; rather, they are simply following their interpretation of a book.

>>2889433
agreed

When that water hit my forehead and the Holy Ghost was in me.

>>2888427
When I beheld the Almighty Glourie of the Amazing Dildoni.

>>2888979
>fundamental questions
Like?

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>>2888451
according to icycalm and the nrx blogosphere, yes

>>2889678
Like am I the only cognisant being and is all I see an illusory projection of my own consciousness? Don't even try to tell me that science or philosophy can answer this, you will look stupid.

>>2888427
when I saw that picture, even though he is a fat antisocial piece of shit he doesn't give a fuck, it is proof of the divinity of the soul

I didn't

>>2889737
No the question is whether the only cognisant being is ME

>>2889737
Why do you assume you are a cognisant being?

>>2889933
A better question is why do you assume I am?

>>2889933
>>2889963
Why aren't you talking about me? I am the only being that is certainly cognisant

>>2889766
>>2889933
>>2889973
You can joke, but you can't prove or disprove it.

>>2889979
I don't have to prove anything to you, you have to prove your consciousness to me. Your metaphysical considerations tied to solipsism are irrelevant because you wouldn't be the cognisant being, that is me.

>>2889979
That's >>2889933 no joke friend. You could be an automaton put through the motions of thinking, and thus be under the illusion that you are cognisant without ever experiencing an unguided thought.

>>2888458

>can't win real battles
>have to raid monasteries

Pathetic

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>>2890269
>muh vikings never won any battles meme

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>>2890283
>settlements

>>2890293
Oh yeah, Christians are so charitous, they just gave them their land

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>>2890300

>>2890283

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tara_(Ireland)

>>2888458
Our God is the God of your gods.

>>2890283
why fight a fair fight when you can exploit the weak links?

>>2890352
other way around sweetie

>>2890352
You will burn for your heresy
There is only one God, all others are false idols

I'm not sure I believe in God, but I'm certainly not the edgy fedoratheist I used to be.

This is partly from growing up, but also partly from reading a lot of writers who were and are religious, and watching Jordan Peterson's lectures.

>>2890365
Wrong, you will burn for your heresy
There are only the Norse gods, all others are false idols

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>>2888458

>>2890392
I agree that Vikings are no better than any other raiders morally speaking, but they are fucking cool with an interesting mythology

>>2890402
>mythology
When will autists stop caring about this?

>>2890405
>IF IT AINT MY RELIGION ITS AUTISTIC AND FEDORA
When will you stop caring about whatever bullshit you're into?

>>2890405
>when will people stop caring about good literature
Probably never.

>>2890409
Woah, don't speed out on us. We're trying to have a civil conversation here.

>>2890415
>mythology
>good literature
You're being sarcastic, right?

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>>2890422
You're right, I'm pretty mad. I'll chill out. Thanks friend.

>>2889678
Origin.
Purpose.
Meaning.
Destiny.

You can bullshit yourself all you want, but without a transcendent answer to the above, you're just kidding yourself that you're an animal, created from exploding gases that came from nowhere.

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>>2890451
>you're just kidding yourself that you're an animal, created from exploding gases that came from nowhere

>>2890451
DUDE ALLAH LMAO

>>2888427
Raised Catholic, learned about Eastern traditions thanks to martial arts.
Read the Qu'ran to be able to properly participate in the religious debate.
Read about more religions.
Learn their history and see that their historical claims are all lies, no exceptions.
Not interested in metaphysical nonsense wrapped up in historical lies.
Turn my back on religion, started blogging, studying physics, discover Hitchens and now label myself as an anti-theist

Religion is an opium, an drug that doesn't lets you know how weird you're actually acting.

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>>2889737
The world continues when you're unconscious.
We can test this using the scientific method if you want, just let me knock your lights out.

>>2890543
You're extremely fucking stupid.

>>2888427

Once I stopped drinking.

>>2889678
Should you mix wine with watermelon?

>>2889561
holy shit is this me?

on the miraculous chance the author of this screenshot sees this, hmu sometime if you're ever in canada. we shall be bros everlasting.

>>2888470
you're me?

>>2888427
after I fucked up my life and ruined everything.

>>2888427
What an inconsiderate asshole

>>2888427

When I found out Redditors tend to be atheist.
Turns out I never gave a fuck about reason. It was an in-crowd thing.

>>2889433
While I'm a pretty firm believer that nothing happens when you die, I disagree with the idea that complete destruction is more humane than hell or whatever afterlife people believe in. My hell would be the total annihilation of my conscious mind. I understand where you're coming from, I think to be nothing is probably a very comforting thought to some people, no more worries and no more people bothering you, but it doesn't appeal to me at all. To be nothing... it's too final.

>>2889371
I share your fear of nothingness, but I am too stubborn to go back to religion. Committing to a faith to stave off sadness used to appeal to me, but it scares me now. I'd be, as you described it, willingly ignorant. To me it's just as bad as becoming nothing, because I'd be numbing my real emotions instead of facing the facts (or possible facts, idk, "nobody knows, nobody can no, so it's pointless to talk about.")

>>2888427
I think I tried going back in middle or high school because I wanted comfort/have a fear of becoming nothing after death, but I couldn't make myself believe in it. Then something really bad happened to my best friend and I decided if there is a real god who is all powerful, he's a dick. If he's not a dick and he "does everything for a reason," or is the great watch maker kind of god then I'm sure he's smart enough to understand my anger and disbelief and forgive me.

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>>2891071
>we shall be bros everlasting.

We already are.

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>>2888427
The Bombing of Dresden. God does Punish Evil People.

Never.
Following a religion that isn't a part of your families tradition is just LARPing, e.g it's edgy as fuck.

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>>2892052
same, good thing I stored my self out

He started off with about fifty corny jokes, just to show us what a regular guy he was. Very big deal. Then he started telling us how he was never ashamed, when he was in some kind of trouble or something, to get right down his knees and pray to God. He told us we should always pray to God—talk to Him and all—wherever we were. He told us we ought to think of Jesus as our buddy and all. He said he talked to Jesus all the time. Even when he was driving his car. That killed me. I just see the big phony bastard shifting into first gear and asking Jesus to send him a few more stiffs.

>>2888427
Can't remember ever believing in God.
Why should I start now? Convince me.

>>2888427
When I became so miserable that I needed someone all powerful to beg help from, even though it won't come.

>>2892176
>Conversion
>Edgy

It's only edgy if you say you're a member of the faith and then don't practice and adhere to ritual. Your way would have us all still being rude animists.

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While I wouldn't go quite as far as >>2892176, I must for myself say that I support the religion I was brought up with, even if I'm not a believer as such.

So my answer to OP would be...I didn't. But I lost my teenage atheism, so I guess that counts for something?

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>>2888973

my nigga

>>2890311
Hollywood.

People forget where they got their information from, but the precept is still there.

>>2890392
They get what they glorify.
Listen to death metal, don't be surprised when death shows up.

Like watching women get raped? Don't be surprised when you get butt raped.

What comes around, goes around.

This picture is funny because it's true.

The greatest part of all is that the viking will still be seen justified for "reasons", even though the "blacks" have their reasons too.

The irony in this is that everyone is wrong.

Glorify shit, get shit. Justice is served nerd. Hates their own because of different environmental factors that caused them to be that way, but will hypocritically defend other people who have similar behavior.

The worst kind of person. I love x and y, but hate z even though all the letters are from the same alphabet.

You learn how environment, social factors, and income can play a role in a person's psychology, but when it happens irl, you people get retarded as shit.

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>>2892334
I don't even know why I bothered reading that bullshit.

>>2888427
when i started seeing Allah's word as the truth.

may you unbelievers take your profane belongings to hell with you

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>tfw I believe in God, but do not believe in the Bible
>tfw I believe that God create everything, but he is cool enough to leave us alone
>tfw I believe he will do nothing if we destroy Earth, destroy ourselves

>>2888427
I would prefer to believe in God but I struggle to reconcile Satan's actions with his punishment

Non serviam

>>2888645
underrated

>>2890352
>my God can beat up your gods

>>2888427
>When did you start believing in God again?

Hopefully never.

>>2893070
So you just worship the big bang?

>>2893209
>Not understanding the meaning of the prime mover

kys brainlet

>>2893225
"the prime mover" is a meme
its means you know you are wrong, but won't admit it

>>2893235
>If you aren't a foaming-at-the-mouth evangelical you're just an atheist in denial

When will this meme die?

>>2888427
I experienced senseless personal tragedy, which demonstrated that Nietzschean ubermensch ideals didn't amount to squat, and showed me no man's will or ideals are an adequate barrier against the destructive force of nihilism. As I lay there at night muttering, "it don't matter, none of this matters", over and over again, it suddenly occurred to me that in a world where nothing matters the logic and "reason" I had used to kill God and construct my prison of nihilism didn't matter either, and could be safely put aside.

At which point the walls of my prison crumbled, and God revivified Himself before my eyes.

>>2889010
I would say the fanaticism comes less from a belief in the new and more of a hatred from the old. It's why there's such a stereotype about religious people falling off the wagon and basically becoming hedonistic hellions to distance themselves from their old life.

>>2893326
so feefees>reals?

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>>2888427
When I read the Iliad

>>2890505
*tip*

>>2894138
*collapses into a million sects*

>>2894147
*tip*

>>2894152
*schisms*

>>2888589
Read Dostoevsky

>>2890392
>over thousands of years apart

lmao

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>>2894187
You mean I shouldn't have used this as a substitute to my coach's leg?

>>2889692

Those autistic enough to use the machines will inherit the Earth. And no others.

Posting a picture on 4chan doesn't disprove anything. Not to mention that we haven't even scrounged the very surface for algae of thought. What will happen when genetically enhanced children decide to start a new Titanomachy?

The history of the Earth, as in the past 10,000 years, pales in comparison to the amount of cognitive frames our descendants will be able to process.

Assuming no nukes stop the accelerating evolution train.

>>2888427

Only when if I can ever verify that the life of religion, or as much as is possible in the modern day, has a greater aesthetic-moral value in spite of the lack of what normally we would call a "truth" value.

But as is, the set of possible of deities include those which reward and punish in ways completely unaffected to the actions of moral agents on this planet.

>>2888427
>believing in God
Any proof that g*d exists?

>>2894235
>Dostojewski

>>2894235 (You)
>((((Dostojewski)))

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I had my doubts, but after I did some research, I realized that there must be a god

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>have a dream I'm wandering around a woodland
>happen upon a small settlement, talk to some people but I eventually realise that a man in a black cloak, with a spear/two ravens has been floating in my peripheral
>wake up, start looking up who it could be
>it's Odin
>yeahokay.avi
>go about my day, drive to work alongside vans with 'Odin' emblazoned on them
>all the stuff that I specifically had to deal with at work were pieces concerning the names of germanic deities
>go to the cinema to watch mission impossible with a couple friends in the evening
>'ODIN' comes up right before the film starts

I toast him with mead every other Wednesday. That shit was intense.
>inb4 confirmation bias

>>2895153
kek

>>2895153
>574 pixels
What is this supposed to mean ?
>by accident
After millions of years, and on one planet out of the gorillions of planets you can find in the universe. If the universe is infinite, then an eye is created by accident every second.

>>2895370

If.

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>>2895331

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>>2890311
>~25 cherry picked battles out of a +300 year period of constant raiding and battles
really makes you think

>>2894116
Of course!
"Real" is derived from "fee-fees" and arguably inseparable from them.

>>2894282
>Assuming no nukes stop the accelerating evolution train.

Don't worry, they will.

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>>2895405

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>>2890311
>decides to check out one of these battles at random
>picks Battle of Brisarthe because it sounded pretty chaotic
>the Frankish army succeeded in intercepting the Danes before they reached their boats on the Loire River. The Danes attempted to take refuge in a church, but the Franks besieged them. During the night, the Danes attempted to escape. During the ensuing battle, Robert was killed, Ranulf mortally wounded by an arrow, and Hervé injured. With the loss of their leaders, the Franks had to retreat.
hmm

>>2895435
feefees always come from reals unless you can give evidence if it being the other way around, you are making the mind boggling claim here

>>2890505
In the native tongue or in the translations? Because the translations are very flawed and many things are lost in translation or assumed?

>>2893130
He wasn't punished by being cast into hell. Hell was the hole he dug for himself to escape facing God's judegment

>>2893208
Have fun in hell

>>2894157
*tips civilization toward its end days of decadence and pointless argument*

>>2895444
I've had an odd thought kicking around my head for a bit.

We all know that hard-line Christians consider pagan gods to be demons, and I'm sure we've all gotten a little offended about that notion at some point (even some Christians will be irritated by the hard-line idea that the storied myths of yore are demon inspired), but let's think it through, without the baggage.

Demons are angels that rebelled against God, but does that make them all INHERENTLY evil? Sinners certainly, but ALL evil? I'm not so sure. What if some of them could be redeemed?

What if Christ extended His grace, not just to mortal man, but to fallen angel as well? Maybe that's where the old gods went, back into the service of God. We would never know, it's not actually relevant to our salvation.

>>2895472
>feefees always come from reals
If that were true there would be no lunatics.

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>>2895520
Well pagan gods are powerful and supernatural, but in a relatable way. They have personalities and care about things and are led to sin and virtue by their beliefs and the world.

I could see pagan gods as angels that refused to submit to God, and eventually realized that supernatural power is not the same as omniscense and their plans just can't match God's design.

How heretical is this view? I'm just a cultural Christian or whatever I don't actually know a whole lot.

>>2888427
I never became really atheist, I mean I did question my faith but in the end how can everything be if god didn't create it?

>>2888427
When at the end of my journey to understand the world and how to live I found that all I had done is rediscovery christianity. If I would have started by reading the gospels I would have saved myself alot of time.

>>2888427
Jail

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>>2890543

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When I realized my beloved White race has been in a perpetual state of war with international Jewry since at least the 18th century. We will prevail, comrades.

By fighting against the Jew, I am doing the work of the Lord. AMEN! AVE MARIA!

>>2888427
I had a really bad stomach ache and I thought I was going to have a horrible time on the toilet but before I got down to business I muttered: "Oh God, help me..."
I let my shit out but it was only one large unbroken poop. It was so big and it took a while to come out but there was no pain involved.
Most of the time I have to deliver the crap in chunks and wipe my asst, but I didn't even need to do that. My asshole was completely clean and the giant poop didn't splash any water onto my ass either.
It was the most perfect poop I had even had in my life. My brother says it's a miracle. I wouldn't call myself a Christian but I do believe in some type of higher power now.

>>2892239
This. Muh noble lie. Muh societal glue for more earthy personalities.

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>>2892334
that is pretty enlightening, good post.

>>2892334
And when you act like a sanctimonious, thick headed cunt you can't act surprised when people throw it back in your face

>>2895153
I don't understand evolution the picture.

>>2895510
*schisms again*

>>2895529
That still comes from reals, namely something getting fucked up in your brain

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>>2896473
AMEN!

>>2888645
Kek

>>2894282
Hi Icycalm

>>2900501

icycalm would just say "faggotry" or some shit. Also he's probably sociopathic or something in that manner.

I'm just an autist who used to try to get the "best ending for everyone" in games. And then in real life...well let's say utilitarian aims and means differ in the vastness of the world than from the limited flag triggers of games. Not only that but the terror of asymmetric.

Our problem-space has an asymmetric relationship to the ability to scale ape cognitive power. The higher they want to get to holiness, the more the devil in the details fucks with them.

>>2895520

When you realize the diversity of beings, psychologies, neurologies, neurologic analogues, etc. that exist in the set of possible dieties...

Well we have the almost unfair asymmetry of the possibilities against our limited cognitive ability to evaluate our options.

The question of whether Christ himself was a demon, a trickster god, an insane god, etc. should shake you more than the notion of grace.

>>2888427
I fell out of the faith in middle school like most bullied teenagers and have struggled to ever find it again, not for a lack of trying, but because every time I feel close I'm hit with a million "dude there's no proof of god also the universe is going to go through heat death and nothing matters faggot there's no afterlife" and I'm like oh I guess there isn't much proof and then go wallow in existential angst until the cycle repeats. I'm like a less intelligent, less mature Carl Sagan; I'd like for there to be a God(s) and an afterlife, but have not seen any sufficient proof either. I try to keep an open mind about it, though.

>>2888458
Didn't the monks pushed their shit in after they realized that the vikings were never gonna learn?

>>2888427

I remember being 10 years old, sitting in mass and thinking about how none of it really made sense. I couldn't articulate why, but there was always this barely tangible feeling that religion was just wrong.

32 years later and I still feel no need for religion at all. That doesn't mean that I oppose it. I find mythologies of all stripes fascinating and I respect the individual right to worship them. But I never felt any pull towards religion.

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>>2894126
Unironically this

when i realized that jesus was the original antisemite and tried to warn us about the satanic jews who now run the world

>>2890363
Nice try honey

>>2890387
All you did was spin his words around.
Pagans are truly pathetic.

>>2889010
>implying everyone isn't larping 24/7

Sometimes you gotta play that role, anon

>>2889678
Like the origin of the universe. It's hard to believe that in the beginning there was nothing ness and then it exploded. That's what basically atheists believe in.

>>2888427
I haven't and I won't. Especially if the deity we're talking about is the christian one, as that whole concept is absurd for all sorts of reasons.

>>2901145
That happened once or twice at most. The norse wound up dominating most of england and only got pushed out of ireland after killing a stupid number of irish soldiers and killing a bunch of their nobles.

>>2890451
But we are animals and we don't have a higher purpose. I have accepted this fact.

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Please go ahead and prove me that a God exists. Everyday I beg there is some kind of salvation after death but we all know that's not true. Even if there is a godlike being out there he most certainly doesn't care about us. Just look at earth. See all the war, the arguing between families, the famine, the murder, the rape. Would a God of justice and benevolence have let this happened to His own sons? Im not even mentioning there's no proof of God existing. Even if you do take the leap of faith that the Bible is all just metaphors then still, where is the proof? There is no God, or at least he doesn't give one fuck about humans. We're born into this world to suffer and theres no salvation.

>>2903075
>Would a God of justice and benevolence have let this happened to His own sons?

That's one of the asymmetric problems in regards to "God(s)"

Don't you think the crafter of Leviathan and Behemoth, the undying hand which envisioned them and molded them, would have a far longer view of what justice and benevolence ultimately means than his sons? That in the "long game", the aeons of suffering beings might be a precondition to creating more and more perfect beings who evaluate local suffering and build and explore ways to solve their local suffering?

Would we not sacrifice everything, even happiness and holiness, to make our children more perfect?

>>2903442
Ridiculous. Why would a loving God create his sons purposefully to suffer? If His intention is to let us learn how to perfect ourselves, why not just teach us from the start? And if benevolence and justice are things far greater than we can merely comprehend, why would He not just tell us the truth or at least try to explain what that benevolence and justice really is? To me, the notion of a benevolent God is just a consolation for humans. Even if the creator of humanity is some being of superior being, He most certainly doesn't care about humanity the way we care about ourselves. Even if I was a God I can see myself giving up on humanity as it is extremely evil in nature. If only we taught our children the right things.

I didn't

I tried, but I couldn't change my own opinion of it

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In an ironically round about way, only after I left Christianity

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>>2904887
Sounds like you are experiencing what is called "the dark night of the soul". I would suggest reading the Gospels with an open mind, and focus on Christ's teachings independent of whether or not he was the Son of God, or if God even exists, and see if you find them good and just. I shall pray that your spiritual burden shall be lifted, for I can do little else. Don't give up, brother.

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>>2896916
>Teenagers from small town America pretend they are nazis fighting for something then go out for ice cream with their mum

This site is getting more and more embarrassing.

>>2889010
It has been on my mind for a long time. I wasn't raised in a religious family and it is mind-boggling to me that anyone can convert to any religion through actual faith. I mean, there's no evidence for or against the existence of a higher power so how can anyone claim that his iteration is the only true one without any evidence for it? I can understand someone being religious due to being raised such (although even then it's still a belief with no actual real life basis) but someone converting later in life just seems strange to me.

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>>2888427
I was raised Catholic, then as all edgy teenagers of my generation I became atheist.

Then for purely political reasons I started to associate with religious people again, and then as I grew older, the more I tough about it, the more I was unconvinced of the impossibility of god.

And then I started to speak to god. Not in the crazy way, it's not a 2-way conversation, I don't hear voices in my head, but it calms me to thank god every time something good happens to me.
And over time I've started to, at least feel like I notice, that doing good actions and behaving in a moral manner seemed to bring me good luck.
At first I did it because i'm just a faggot and I feel bad for doing bad things, but now I almost feel like I am rewarded by being a good person, which is a bonus really.

I have no concrete proof of the existence or nature of god, I don't go to church, but I do thank god for every good day I have, and I let him guide me indirectly, I take, not all, but a lot of good luck I have as a sign that this is the path god wants me to take.

Wew, this is the first time I actually sit down and consciously take the time to think about it, and it's in a fucking shitpost on a Vietnamese parrot training chatroom of all places.

I'm not very religious, i sometimes pray to God, when i'm feeling down or have something important coming up.
I frankly never really cared about religion or atheists for that matter, i just found vocal atheists to be pieces of shit. I mean, just don't believe in God, why do you have to push it on people?

>>2895621
It's ok, as long as you don't think of those other deities as gods it's not a heresy AFAIK.

So as of late I've been thinking this:
All of humanity, since we have any memory of, has believed in some form of deity.

So why then, must they prove that there is one? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't the anti-theist prove that there is no such thing as a god of some kind? I mean, the status-quo is, most people believe some kind of god exists, regardless of which one, so the burden of proof should be on those saying there isn't one, right?

>>2907449
Neither can prove either way and ultimately, no proof will ever exist apart from a hypothetical higher power actually showing itself.

>>2890283
You don't help your point by posting inaccurate maps

Vikangs never raided Sardinia and Corsica, or at least, it's never been recorded nor archaeologically supported

>>2907470
I know, which is why it kinda bothers me that people are always asking for proof.
It's kind of like asking people from 2000 b.C to provide proof of the existence of black holes. To me it feels like they should just as well say "I don't want to believe" and be done with it, wording their question in such a way that it makes the average person think they are somehow more rational for using flawed logic like that is kind of insulting and honestly anti-intellectual desu