Is he right?

Are you kidding? Not even he thinks he was right.

>>2885903
Are you fucking stupid? Isn't it obvious that the today world is different from the immediately post-Cold War world?

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>>2885903
The sooner we all embrace neoliberal world order the better

I dunno...kinda. Islamic terror is kind of overblown so some guys are giving him credence again. Demographic shifts tho which he didn't predict.

I think yes for the most part.

We are already at the endgame in philosophy, and now it's just a matter of letting time and technology take its course.

The basis of western liberal democracy is really solid. If you have a population that is as educated and qualified to make decisions as it's leaders, that will beat any authoritarian oligarchy regime where a handful of smart people order around a bunch of dump pawns.

What possibly could be better than having a society that has the freedom to make good decisions and DOES make good decisions?

It was a foolish thing to say. Asians would never embrace western liberal democracy, they don't have a culture that would enable it and they aren't going to embrace that slice of western culture for no reason.

>>2885996
What about Japan and South Korea? ROC and PRC are the same people and same civilisation yet one is democratic.

>>2886053
>South Korea
Two decades of authoritarian regime, even once it was gone ruling party hasn't really changed, just got re-branded (multiple times) There's also history of corruption at the highest levels.
The same authoritarian regime created Chaebols as they currently are. Far more important than american banks they hit the point where they are so big government revolves around them and they keep entrenching deeper and deeper into economy.


>Japan
One party dominates the politics through almost all of its democratic history. Revolving door of prime ministers. Strong voter apathy.

They are "democratic" but so is Russia.

>>2885903
That depends on whether you view conflict as a product of ideological clashes, or struggles over resources.

>>2885903
>Francis Fukuyama

My Gott *sniff*

>>2886225
>One party dominates the politics through almost all of its democratic history. Revolving door of prime ministers. Strong voter apathy.

Still democratic. Compromise does not mean lack of democracy.

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>>2885903
>Francis "Democratic liberalism is the salvation of mankind" Fukuyama
With recent events, I'm inclined to believe otherwise

>>2886416
And yet it's not western liberal democracy. Their system operates in a distinctively Japanese and Asian style because of the cultural differences.

>>2886364
Genuinely pleased to find a Zizek post here.

>>2885903

Didn't this guy retract this statement?

>>2886480
It's still liberal democracy, just in isolation.

It might be racist to say, but Asians have always been great at solving given problems and achieving immediate goals, but terrible at thinking outside the box and creating goals for themselves. China has notoriously throughout history built themselves up as an intimidating power only to constantly collapse for stupid reasons.

>>2885903
Lel neoliberal delusion

>>2885903
He's about as correct as those in the late 19th century who thought that liberal imperialism was the final form of government.

We're going to have another ww1-tier catastrophe before the end of the century.

>>2886571
Liberal compared to japanese history perhaps, but japanese society is hardly a western liberal democratic society. Thats not a value judgement btw

Liberal democracy is in decline worldwide after a brief revival, so no. The future isn't totalitarian, though, but more hybrid regimes like the ones we see in Russia and Turkey, plus lot of surveillance (both public and private; with the latter having heavy sway over the former).

>>2885903
Kind of. I mean we didn't see the end point of ideological evolution since we have a little way to go, and I don't mean that exporting freedom bombs on key military targets in the Middle-East will bring about that ideological evolution elsewhere, but I do believe in the primacy of liberalism in a Hegelian sense, which is not strictly a Western thought.

>>2885996
Meritocracy is Chinese.

democracy was a mistake

>>2886683
The Chinese did implement meritocracy, but in a Confucian or Legalist sense. Pre-modern China would never have let commoners anywhere near government affairs.

>>2886571
the most reddit post i've seen today. congratulations.

>>2885903
Neo liberals deserve the gulag in my book

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He was completely right. We are living in a period of enormous freedom and prosperity. 500000 people died in Syria? That is 0.007% of the world's population. It is like 1 person dying in gang related violence per year in a town of 100000. Objectively it is an order of magnitude below car accidents. The biggest problem you face right now is some shitty personal choice you've been making, all the candy you eat or you should be studying right now.

The "people in the past had it worse" argument is completely logical and valid. Low white birth rates? Entire races were wiped out in the past. Meany trolls saying things you don't like on the internet? Hating other people for no reason is the norm not an anomaly. Your problems are bullshit. They're nothing. You are only wasting your limited lifespan just thinking about them.

>>2886878
just because bad things happened then doesn't mean bad things that happen now aren't bad

>>2885903
When Peak Oil has been reached, and the Automation of Jobs is complete, and Climate Change had reached critical levels. We will be completely and utterly fucked. The Liberal hedonistic Materialism of the West
is unsustainable in the long run.

>>2885903
no

>>2887103
Is it possible for history to end even though we still have mundane problems like obesity and car accidents? If so then pretty much every "problem" we have today is well below those levels.

The "people in the past had it worse" argument is completely logical and valid like I said.

>>2885903
no, not at all. he even revoked that statement himself if i not mistaken. history flows forever.

>>2888159
just because he revoked his statement doesn't mean he was wrong

History has ended. The world will now make a slow steady progression towards global capitalism where everything is decided by market forces. Technology, development and global trade will offset resource depletion and climate change.

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>>2888164
>just because he revoked his statement doesn't mean he was wrong

>>2888172
it's true

>1+1=2
>no wait I revoke that statement, 1+1=3

>>2888168
That sounds like great optimistic delusion to me.

>>2888172
>implying he is not wrong about being wrong
checkmate atheists

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>how to rebuke fukuyama with one cool trick and basically you are fucking stupid

>>2888164
but he is still wrong, just as Marx tought that Communism was the final stage of humanity. Teleological and deterministic thinking is always wrong.

>>2888181
it's not, look at the facts, once a country has developed things have to get pretty fucked up for them to return to being some kind of corrupt dictatorship with a backwards economy

>>2888176
Except he wasn't solving a mathematical equation. He was making a prediction about the future and then admitted that his prediction was wrong. Predictions are not absolute like Math, so what you did just now is false equivalence.

>>2888187
superficial differences don't matter, terrorism kills like 0.00001% of the population, if the world was a village it would be the equivalent of the village drunk shitting and pissing himself and passing out on Aunt Dory's roses garden in terms of how much of a problem it is. Open up a history book and you will find far worse.

It is only because of the media that you think it is a big deal

>>2888192
>once a country has developed things have to get pretty fucked up for them to return to being some kind of corrupt dictatorship with a backwards economy
And that's exactly what i'm saying. Things will get pretty fucked in the future. The future Optimists are delusional for thinking the future is going to be Rosy.

>>2888196
Why don't you stop being a redditor and actually read that book Huntington basically predicted every ethno religious conflict and flashpoint of the last 25 years including stuff like Crimea/Ukraine, Syria, ongoing Iranian meddling in MENA via shia proxies and the imminent collapse and civil war in KSA.

>>2888193
that wasn't a false equivalence, I was merely using an example to illustrate a simple logical concept which was in turn part of a larger argument

you forgot the larger argument and claimed that 1 bit was the whole argument, what you did just now is a no true scotsman fallacy

>I predict 1+1 will equal 2 tomorrow
*1 day later*
>wtf, 1+1=3 now? I was wrong??? I revoke my statement

>>2885903
He's right that the West, headed by the US, has expansion to do, but he's wrong that it will be liberal democracy. More like an imperialist socialist hybrid. (Bread plus circuses) He's also wrong that anything lasts forever (if that's indeed what he was claiming, rather than simply claiming that it feels that way in post-Cold War world) and hasn't acknowledged that historical patterns could be derailed by technological innovation.

>>2888187
>He didn't read Fukuyama

>>2888210
>that wasn't a false equivalence, I was merely using an example to illustrate a simple logical concept which was in turn part of a larger argument
Nah it was. You were comparing something Objective like Math to something Subjective like making a prediction.
>I predict 1+1 will equal 2 tomorrow
*1 day later*
>wtf, 1+1=3 now? I was wrong??? I revoke my statement
Again. This example is not equivalent to making a prediction

>>2888205
Huntington is good for having the foresight to predict that the world will gradually shift toward multipolarity.

>>2885992
Oh man. I hate to say it but you're already witnessing the downturn of democracy. Probably hit peak democracy in America during Nixon. Since then, Reagan, Bush, Obama and Trump have progressively trashed laws and norms normal to liberal democracy.

You people are completely and utterly delusional if you think the West is going to last forever. Every civilization, no matter how formerly great has ended. Western civilization will not be any different.

is this video right anons?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcwaR2xW1Q

>>2886571
It is certainly strange that China, afaik, hasn't really been more than one civilisation since Qin Shihuang was on the throne. Despite the central state collapsing many times, it's not like the two very distinct civilisations we've had in Europe since that time (classical and Faustian/Greek and German). Same with India. Or I suppose that makes Europe unique. Or maybe it's that there have simply been many civilisations overlapping the same space in Europe and there's some sort of necessity to starting a culture that becomes a civilisation as farmers so that the steppeniggers north of the Great Wall and the Himalaya only assimilated or fucked off and never made anything.

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Once Western civilization inevitably gets BTFO'ed this century, which civilization will replace it as the world Hegemon?

This guy sounds boxed in.
Like hmm looks like history only seems to be repeating itself.
Looks like all the ideologies that could ever exist have already been tried.

>Doesnt consider that humanity is still stuck in a vicious cycle that can only support these ideologies. What happens when we break the vicious cycle?

>Whos to say we arent just building on foundations with ideology instead of trying on different hats. Maybe ideology is more like technological advancement and there is no mutual exclusivity, or ideologies being formed in vacuums, and that intead ideology is just another part of momentum in the progress of ideas.

Also history needs to be reconsiled much like evolution, as there is a macro history and a micro history, much like evolution.
Which i think is why history is doomed to repeat tself, becuase memory is ultimatly emotionally charged and very transient.

>>2888254
Is gonna be african warlord style
But the factions are going to appear much more legitimate becuase they will all have a professional marketing department.

>>2888254
Brazil will rule the world. The future belongs to the Bronze race.

>>2888196
>>It is only because of the media that you think it is a big deal

Democracy is driven not by reality but by what a bunch of irrational actors believe to be a "big deal", goofball. We live in the greatest period of safety and material prosperity ever known. So what? We're talking about mobs of people here. They're eventually going to fuck society up all the way back to the stone age.

Fukuyama is ultra based, though.

>>2888254
If Spengler is right we've still got about 200 years before we get rolled back

>>2888254
Obviously Sinic and Hindu; China and India's economies will take over the USA's very shortly.

>>2888278
>China and India's economies will take over the USA's very shortly.
China has already taken over in terms of PPP.

>>2888278
>Hindu
Come on now.
India has no future.

>>2889428
>beliving /int/ memes