Where the French psycopaths? Why did they went full psyco on Haiti?

france did nothing wrong

>>2878730
I would't bother trying to get /his/ to say a negative thing about France its like pulling teeth

>>2878733
Edgy

>>2878745
But reading about Haiti is just brutal.I don't think there has ever been a bigger work of explotation in the history of mankind

>>2878730
What happened?

What went wrong ?

>>2878730
Haitians are ungratefull for turning against those who saved them from certain death in africa. Heard poles helped the slaves. never trust the eternal pole.

>>2878751
Leopold II?

>>2878791
France exploited a bunch of niggers to death and for profit they started importing more niggers to Haiti than the Portuguese to the whole Brazil in the same period of time.Haiti ended up as the most populated country in the Caribean.When the nigs got tier of being exploited to death they chimped out and killed all the Frenchies and as they had no education,they destroyed their little side of the island as they just knew how to cut trees to make a fire

>>2878791

That Spaniards are evil colonizers unlike nice English and Frenchmen.

>>2878820
>Leopold II?
That was just incompetence. The French did it deliberatly to have a bigger profit

>>2878826
The left one is Haiti pal

>>2878730
Name one thing they did wrong

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France bought slaves from africa, brought them into an island, made the island very productive, the richest colony of the new world. the french revolution kicked in, they decided to set everyone free.
Napoleon came into power, total wars were raging in europe, Napoleon decided to reinstate slavery to produce more wealth for the war effort.

Haitians chimped out, France couldn't afford to send forces to Haiti, Haitians genocided the whites and ever since God punished the Haitians.

>>2878846
not castrating the slaves.

the arabs got it right with their african slaves, they had far more african slaves in their land that american colonies ever got and nowaydays where are the africans in the middle east, almost nowhere, and they are hundred of a million in the colonies.

The white man creates life.

>>2878846
Overpopulating their little side of the island transforming it into hell on earth
>>2878854
>Richest
It was profitable as no one had the levels of psycopathy that the French had. It wasn't rich.

>>2878861
there were no over population, the slaves were getting fed and worked in sugar cane fields. all the rest is anti white propaganda. The mistreatment of slaves is VERY rare as they are properties and pretty much nobody casually destroys their own property for fun.

>>2878861
It's not their fault if niggers keep getting children

>>2878869
>there were no over population
Haiti had 10 times the population of the Dominican republic. French imported hundreds of thousands of niggers to exploit them to death. The average slave life in Haiti was 5 years. Frenchies are psycos

>>2878871
France imported tons of niggers annually. That is why Haiti was so overpopulated. French people are psycos

We dindu nuffin

From 500 000 in 1800 to 10 millions in 2017 in Haiti

the african man is meant to be ruled by the white man.

REMINDER THAT THE SLAVES FROM WESTERN AFRICA WERE MUSLIMS

DEUS VULT WE EITHER KILELD THEM OR CONVERTED THEM TO CHRISTIANITY

GOD BLESS

>>2878938
>From 500 000 in 1800
Yeah but that would be 1/4th of the population of the 13 colonies in 1800.In a tiny part of island.The French are beyond redemtion

>Although slavery was outlawed, Louverture, believing that the plantation economy was necessary, forced laborers back to work on the plantations using military might.

EVERY FUCKING TIME

MUH FIGHT FOR FREEDOM

>>2878869
>le anti white conspiracy meme
There are reports going back to the colonial days of widespread torture, rape, overwork, and murder of slaves.

>>2878955
if they were overpopulated why did they keep making children?

checkmate

>>2878969
everything is overwork for niggers, only rebels get punished as it should be.

>>2878970
food aid always was and always will be a mistake.

>>2878730
The eternal Frank has an inferiority complex over the eternal Iberian, and tried to compensate for it by killing even more nigs

>people defending the slave owners
kys just kys, these ain't sjw collage students whining about micro agressions, these where men and women who where denied their freedom, they had every right and reason to fight back.

>>2880554
You sound like a nigger lad

>>2878989
No it isn't at all.

>>2878869
>contempory sources are antiwhite propandaganda
it is impossible of a light skinned man to abuse his power or be anything less that a benevolent leader.
>and now one every massarced their slaves ever especially during a slave rebellion

>>2878854
>God punished the Haitians.

I hear that line and it make no sense whatsoever. Like the logic behind it is already nonsensical and cringe at best.

>>2880564
I'm not i am someone who thinks people should be free, and hates oppression regardless of their color

>>2880589
You seem triggered

>>2880586
>hey guys there a magical man who will punnish you unless you do what i say, so stay inline fellas
it makes perfect sense (at least to say that to your slaves)

>>2880594
>lol triggered
why do you hate freedom so much?

>>2878962
>hey guys the actions of the original tyrants are rectroactively justified beacuse you ended up with an other tyrant after you overthrew the first tyrants

>>2880597
I don't. It just looks like it is really important to you for some reason

>>2878829
nah leopold knew what was going on

>>2880623
it pisses me off to see people take the side of brutal slave owners because of racial reasons, suffering is suffering no matter who causes it, and we should work on having less man cause suffering, no one should have to live under the yoke of an other. just so you don't think i only care about whites opressing black, i support capetown indepence, the anc has shown the afrikaners how little they care for them and the africakaners should leave

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>>2878730
france are not psychopaths, they simply don't care

>>2878812
>ungrateful

>Indeed, 'it was a sporting pastime to pack the anus of a wayward slave with gunpowder and blow it by a fuse, faire sauter un nègre [to blow up a negro], they called it, to make him jump'.

Yeah, fucking ungrateful niggers, how dare they rise up against their masters who'd beat someone to death on suspicion of licking their fingers clean of sugar juices after 18 hours of back-breaking labor.

>>2880643
>they simply don't care
>Not psycopathy
Ummm

>>2880688

Not caring about ALL people is psychopathy.

Not caring about SOME people is completely within line with how people work and always has been. There is a switch in your head that turns off your empathy, if it needs turned off.

It's a really useful adaptation in... well, pretty much any setting where a human can expect to see fighting, from primitive hunter-gatherer tribes onwards to probably the late Renaissance. How do you think the humans have always conducted their bloody, painful, dragging warfare? How do you think a man stabs another man in the gut and leave him to bleed out without immediately doubling over vomiting from the shame and horror of it? How do you think a soldier can look down a sight and blow another's head to bloody pieces without doing the same?

Not by using their fucking empathy during, that's for sure.

Frogs rebel against unjust aristocracy, killing many thousands of people:
>Liberté, égalité, fraternité

Slaves rebel against unjust owners, killing many thousands of people:
>Sacrebleu! Sauvages noirs! Never forget ze 6 billion innocent slave owners!

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Haiti had it coming.

>>2878730
First Apologize for the French Genocide
And we can start speaking

>>2878869

You are retarded. Sugar cane cultivation will leave a slave crippled after seven years. Cotton and tobacco was much more humane, sugar is completely shit to harvest.

>>2880586
There are Haitians eating mud cookies on a regular basis. That may not be God's punishment, but it certainly isn't normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DymkAsjNtv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3337cj4sJQ

>>2878829
Leopold knew what was happening in the Congo. When he turned over Congo to the Belgian government from his personal ownership he ordered the Congo archives to be burned, telling his aide: "I will give them my Congo, but they have no right to know what I did there." (Adam Hochschild - King Leopold's Ghost page 294)

>>2881553
People do weird stiff when they are hungry to stave off hunger.

>>2880641
>i support capetown indepence, the anc has shown the afrikaners how little they care for them and the africakaners should leave

Lol that delusion.

>>2880595

>except the christian dominicans do 100x better and dont get hit with earthquakes
ok

>>2878812
France made them pay a lot amount of money
>>2878791
>Haiti had to pay a massive sum of money (with fucking interest) to France exchange for having their independence recognized
>find out that it took almost a century to pay off this debt
>they ended up cutting down all their forests to export timber and agricultural products to pay the French (and this is also why Haiti's environment looks like shit compared to the Dominican Republic right next door)
>20th century was rife with political instability (American military occupation, followed by successive unstable or oppressive governments)

>a standalone killer should be punished but not a society of them
or
>eye for an eye only excused if ur black
pick one

>>2881714
Haitians are Christian though

>import shitloads of african slaves to a small strip of land in hispaniola to fuel the sugar cane plantation production because it's cheaper to import them rather than taking care of them
>be brutal as fuck on the treatment of said slaves
>french revolution kicks in and all those slaves are freed

Crowded small part of an island full of angry niggers who knew nothing but the most metal treatment you could get on the new world as a slave...I mean come on you just breed a specific breed of violent sociopathic nogs that would fuck shit up

>>2881714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_War_of_Independence
so both hati and the DR had a war of indepence, what did the hatians do that the dominicans didn't do?
why would god punnish the hatians for declaring indepenace but not the dominicans?

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>>2878730
>Were the Haitians psychopaths?

Yes

>>2881835
Frenchies deserved it

>>2881714
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Trujillo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaqu%C3%ADn_Balaguer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_massacre
bad shit happend in DR

dominicans also did way less shit
voodoo is also prominent religon in haiti as well
>>2881827

>>2881842

shitty people and natural disasters are not the same thing ok

>>2878791
They should have done the smart thing and told France to fuck off we ain't paying you shit.

What happened to the tainos?

>>2881585
>(((Hochschild)))
Nice (((source)))

>>2878854
>France couldn't afford to send forces to Haiti
le clerc expedition, dumbass. it was a substantial force to reconquer the island and it was a brutal slog. the french lost most importantly their army got decmiated by yellow fever

>>2878869
it was literally more profitable to work slaves to death. as another anon pointed out you'd get 5 or 7 good years out of a slave until you worked him to exhaustion and he died. sugar, however, was so profitable and the supply of slaves from africa so cheap that it was worth more to buy new slaves than maintain the ones you had.

>>2881747
Haitians are about as Christian as Mormons.

>>2878955
>tiny part of island
the size of fucking maryland, at that, one of our smallest states in the US

>>2882101
not an arguement

>>2881715
>>20th century was rife with political instability (American military occupation, followed by successive unstable or oppressive governments)
The governments were already unstable before the US intervention. The whole reason Wilson intervened was because the dictator who favored the United States had been hacked to death in the streets by an angry mob.

>>2881855
>>2881855
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Natural_disasters_in_the_Dominican_Republic

>>2882095
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taíno

>This smallpox epidemic killed almost 90% of the Native Americans who had not already perished.[10] Warfare and harsh enslavement by the colonists also caused many deaths.[11] By 1548, the Taíno population had declined to fewer than 500. Starting in about 1840, there have been attempts to create a quasi-indigenous Taíno identity in rural areas of Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico. This trend accelerated among the Puerto Rican community in the mainland United States in the 1960s.[12] At the 2010 U.S. census, 1,098 people in Puerto Rico identified themselves as "Puerto Rican Indian," 1,410 identified as "Spanish American Indian," and 9,399 identified as "Taíno." In total, 35,856 Puerto Ricans considered themselves Native American.[13]

2882163
cept both of the nat disasters that happened that were actually bad happened pre 1950 and everything else sited is minor/outside DR
you can try to be right all (u) want but DR is doing awesome compared to other african maj countries

>>2878802
Blacks rose up in Haiti and expelled/killed the whites.

Within a few years, Haiti was a desolate wasteland.

Does anyone know why the Polish mercenaries, or whatever the soldiers were, participated in the second massacre of whites?

>>2881827
Don't you ever again compare our war for independence with the genocidal haitian slave revolt, mofo.

>>2881842
>bad shit
Fuck off haitiano nigger.

>>2878730
has there been any campaign in regrowing the forests of Haiti? :(

>>2882470
Source for their participation in the massacre? As far as I'm aware, the Polish mercenaries just thought fighting for the French sucked, and switched sides to help the slaves in their uprising.

>>2878733
Napoleon lost a european wars sized army in Haiti though, including occupying a fleet.

He should've just sold it to the USA, or traded it to Britain in exchange for them staying out of the continent.
Yes, I know it was a gold mine, but it was a gold mine full of snake and bears. No gold was coming out of there any time soon.

>>2878791
France moved africans to a caribean island so they can be farmers.
They rebelled and with not a single educated man to help them, started governing.
It didn't work out very well.
In modern days they are used to launder money, as donations meant for them end up in other places.

>>2882146
They are Christian though being autistic about it doesn't make you right.

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>>2878854
He wasn't even close, what the hell?
Did he just incidentally happen to run, replacing someone, or what?

>>2881848
2.1%.

>>2882678
Several if you google it up.

>>2882836
>France moved africans to a caribean island so they can be farmers.
Nice way of manipulating Pierre DelaFrog.They brought one trillion slaves and worked them to death

>>2882854

Quintessentially british.

>>2878730
>Where the French psycopaths?

In France probably.

>>2882834
Bitch Britain was never gonna stop trading with continental Europe.

Anyway the problem with Haiti was that there was way less deliberate destruction of African culture, which made it way easier for slaves there to organize. They had a common tongue and culture which they leveraged to build solidarity and slaughter their slavemasters. Fucking shame about Napoleon and Haiti. Probably the most unforgivable shit about him

>treat slaves like dogshit
>literally work them to death
>constantly betray the mulatos
>they fight back and destroy all the whites

WOW WTF

>>2880641
>Cape Town
>independence
Lad, as a Capetonian, that is just a fucked up stupid idea. Cape Town, or even the whole Western Cape, does not have the capacity to support itself as an independent state. What I would push for is a degree of defederalisation to allow the Western Cape to adopt better anti-corruption and pro-education reforms, while still operating as a state under the Republic of South Africa (and benefiting from the ludicrous amount of mineral wealth contained in the greater country).

>>2883054
>now said slaves live in their own shit and eat literal dirt cookies
>according to /his/shits this is preferable to slavery
>inb4 this is STILL white people's fault

>>2882842
i think he pulled his hamstring during the run up, but for some reason didn't stop

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>>2878812
The average life span in Haiti was 3 years coming off the boat. You're bullshitting so hard. I'm literally lmaoing at your life.

>>2883134
>dying in 4 years time from terrible burns, disease, losing a limb in the mill, being hacked to death or exhaustion is preferable to /pol/tards

You guys really are cucks.

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>>2883134
>he would rather live 5 years as a slave than live 2 as a free man

how cucked can you be?

>>2883137
Dang, sucks. Imagine being in this state of mind, one time in your life, one chance, the whole world watching, and then this.

The problem is not slavery.The problem was how french people treated their slaves.The Spanish and the British were not even close to be that brutal and gave the slaves some rights.The French worked them to death

>>2882101
Jewish sounding name = unreliable source, what's the reasoning behind this?

>>2881715
They cut down all of the trees for firewood, not to pay off their debt to France. And that was a pretty recent development.

Also, Hati has never had stable government ever.

>>2882843
>Believing those statistics,
yeah I bet the population on wikipedia is right too,
fucking autist

>>2883054
Except the blacks did fucked up shit to their own mulattoes they killed countless children, they also betrayed the polish who helped them, and the germans who had nothing to do with anything.
All the ancestors lving there should be nuked/tortured to death, if seagulls occupied that island more good would come out of it.

>inb4 they were mad
No, they were mad and retarded

>>2881835
Have they not hung up men with heads downward, drowned them in sacks, crucified them on planks, buried them alive, crushed them in mortars? Have they not forced them to consume faeces? And, having flayed them with the lash, have they not cast them alive to be devoured by worms, or onto anthills, or lashed them to stakes in the swamp to be devoured by mosquitoes? Have they not thrown them into boiling cauldrons of cane syrup? Have they not put men and women inside barrels studded with spikes and rolled them down mountainsides into the abyss? Have they not consigned these miserable blacks to man eating-dogs until the latter, sated by human flesh, left the mangled victims to be finished off with bayonet and poniard?

[...]

We have given these true cannibals war for war, crime for crime, outrage for outrage. Yes, I have saved my country, I have avenged America

>>2884488
Literally comparing evidence to one angry slaves rants and excuses for murder, sorry that isn't even evidence, and I would feel more inclined to believe it but this is the same shit BLM and South Africans are doing to excuse for killing more whites, so no, the dirty haitians shall never get a second chance

>>2884444
>betrayed the polish who helped them
???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Haitians
The community partially descends from the 400 surviving Polish Legionnaries that either defected to the slaves or were taken prisoner.[1] These Poles were naturalised according to the new Haitian Constitution.[1]

Dessalines called Polish people "the White Negroes of Europe", which was then regarded a great honour, as it meant brotherhood between Poles and Haitians. Many years later, Papa Doc reminded about this concept when referring to Polish people.[6][7] For their loyalty and support for overthrowing the French, the Poles acquired Haitian citizenship after Haiti gained its Independence, and settled there to never return to Poland. To this day, many Polish Haitians still live in Haiti and are of mixed racial origin

In 1983, Pope John Paul II visited Haiti. He mentioned how the Polish contributed to the slave rebellion leading to Haiti's independence. Several Haitian Poles were selected from the most populous Polish areas of Haiti by Duvalier to attend the various ceremonies planned for the Pope's visit.


Not sure what happened to the German settlement but Wiki mentions they were part of the whites spared by the massacre

>>2884509
I just assumed they all died because I never saw them brought up again, at least if I betray my countrymen for africans i'll get to starve w/ them

>>2884501
>massacres committed by people I don't like are historical facts, massacres committed by people I like are unsubstantiated rumors
pffft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatien-Marie-Joseph_de_Vimeur,_vicomte_de_Rochambeau
http://islandluminous.fiu.edu/part02-slide13.html
https://www.cairn.info/revue-napoleonica-la-revue-2012-3-page-80.htm
>Historians of the Haitian Revolution credit his brutal tactics for uniting black and gens de couleur soldiers against the French.

>Rochambeau undertook to massacre much of the non-white civilian and military population. Under his direction, the French imported hundreds of attack dogs from Cuba, which were used both in counterinsurgency operations and in grotesque public spectacles in which unfortunate prisoners and servants were eaten alive. Rochambeau also displayed exceptional cruelty in a number of other ways, such as massacring enemy troops after they had surrendered to his forces, burning men and women alive, and executing many soldiers and civilians by torture and drowning.

>>2884551
>The scene is known to us through the French sailor Jean-Baptiste Lemonnier-Delafosse, the French general Pamphile Lacroix, and the mixed-race officer Juste Chanlatte, all of whom apparently witnessed it in person, and the nineteenth-century historians Thomas Madiou and Beaubrun Ardouin, who collected oral histories from Haitian veterans. A black prisoner was dragged into the arena and tied to a pole (according to Lacroix, Madiou and Ardouin, he was the servant of Rochambeau’s chief of staff Pierre Boyer). Teams of dogs next made their entry. Though maddened by hunger and the public’s clamor, they could not understand what was expected of them and stood motionless around their foe. It took some prodding by their drivers – and, according to Ardouin and Madiou, Boyer cutting open the victim’s stomach – before the dogs warmed up to the scent of blood. Then, suddenly, in a whirl of red dust, they devoured their hapless prey to the roar of the crowd and the blare of military music. The execution had lasted but a few minutes. Their appetite for vengeance satiated, the spectators then retired to their domicile, while the dogs, having proven their ferociousness, were prepped for their first mission: a counterinsurgency operation in the nearby island of La Tortue (Tortuga).

>>2884554

>The use of man-eating and -hunting dogs may come as a surprise in a Napoleonic campaign; such barbaric methods seem more appropriate for the decadent games of Ancient Rome than for the era of liberté and fraternité. But the March 1803 execution is well documented and consistent with an expedition marked by numerous atrocities ranging from mass drowning to burning at the stake. The basic facts are not in question, but three important issues remain open-ended: responsibility (who decided to buy the dogs?); motive (why resort to dogs?); and effectiveness (did the dogs fulfill the mission imparted to them?). To these questions, the existing historiography offers a clear set of answers. Rochambeau is to blame; the use of dogs reflected the irrational brutality of French officers such as Rochambeau and Boyer; and the dogs were an important psychological tool as the French army fought to subdue Dominguan rebels.


>The main published source on the military uses of combat dogs during the war of independence is Marcus Rainsford’s A Historical Account of the Black Empire of Hayti (1805). According to Rainsford, the dogs would be locked in a kennel without food during the training period, while a few feet away stood a wicker doll, filled with odorous animal innards, representing a black rebel [figure 4]. After being starved for a few days, the dogs would be unleashed and ravenously eat the entrails, thus learning to associate blacks with food in a kind of Pavlovian reflex. They would then be released into the woods, where they would attack and devour any black person they found, including infants and innocent civilians.

>>2884562
>Under Donatien de Rochambeau, commonly used forms of execution were described in a specialized slang meant to describe each death with appropriate wit. “Netting a prize” thus meant “drowning;” “being promoted” meant “being hanged;” “having one’s face washed with lead” meant “being shot;” a “hot operation” referred to “burning;” and to be crucified was to “rise in dignity.” Last but not least, “descending into the arena” was the code word for an execution by dogs.

>Executions by dogs became relatively commonplace in Cap-Français. The garden of the new government house across the street from Les Religieuses was the site of such executions.

>One such execution, around 12 March 1803, involved the notorious general Pierre Boyer. Angered by some unrelated financial dispute with a white carriage driver, Boyer “wanted to kill a Negro” to pass his nerves, complained an employee of the judicial system. “So, two days later, because one of his guides [mixed-race scouts] had been absent one hour longer than he had been allowed to, he sentenced him to death. He ordered the man sent to the garden of the new government house, to be executed by dogs; which was done.”

>>2884572
>However horrific, the use of dogs and other tortures like burning and crucifixion completely failed to deter the population of color. In a passage that likely referred to the episode mentioned above, a French general described how, even as he was being devoured, “a guide of General Boyer egged on the dogs, yelled to them eat this, and presented to them his own torn-up limbs.”

>Paradoxically, the atrocities’ only noticeable effects were all detrimental to the French side. They contributed to a somber and depressing environment in French-held towns, with devastating long-term consequences for the troops’ morale, and prompted the rebels to retaliate by inflicting vicious tortures on captured French soldiers.

>Critics (including Thouvenot) also lamented that random executions incited soldiers of color still loyal to the French side to join rebel ranks.To explain his decision to revolt, the rebel leader Jean-Jacques Dessalines indeed wrote of the many colleagues who had been “drowned, hanged, or devoured by these animals that our unhappy isle was feeding for the second time in its history” (a reference to the Tainos)
>His subordinate Nicolas Geffrard, writing to the lieutenant governor of Cuba, similarly related how “dogs trained to drink human blood have eaten two or three of our brothers every day in Cap-Français. Your Excellency would have a hard time believing that these cannibals were bred for the honor guard of the captain-general [Rochambeau].”

>Using animals to tear apart fellow human beings also laid bare the intrinsic logic of racism and undermined colonialists’ and slave owners’ claim that they were acting in their wards’ best interest. When attacking Napoléon Bonaparte’s racial policies in the Caribbean, the French abolitionist Henri Grégoire accordingly made sure to mention Donatien de Rochambeau’s use of man-eating dogs (just as Bartolome de Las Casas had done in his Destruction of the Indies).

the old legend goes that some prominent rebel slave made a pact with the devil to get all the white people out of haiti

be careful what you wish for, guys

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>>2884551
damn that wuz pretty brutal, thanks for the bit of info but do you feel it was all justified?
Because right after the rebellion succeed the leader of it got assassinated and then someone else gets elected and gets assassinated and then someone else gets elected and then gets assassinated.

>>2884509

even though papa doc killed mulattos its ok because he was nice to these betrayers!

wtf I love doc now~!

>>2884747
Well, government by assassination makes for a very colorful history
https://archive.org/details/governmentbyassa008235mbp

>>2884831

dont tell me chimping out and removing every good possible leader works just because it's "fun"
also this is what those cucks got for betraying their own race.
>help blacks
>get kicked from nation

wew


>In 1910, Haitian Germans controlled 80% of Haiti’s International Commerce. Though German Haitians only numbered about 200, they wielded a disproportionate amount of economic power. For example, they owned and operated utilities in Port-au-Prince and Cap-Haïtien but also controlled the Port-au-Prince main wharf. These Germans competed with the French merchants over the customs receipts that represented Haiti’s flagrant debts to European creditors as well as control over Haiti’s vulnerable National Bank.[2]

When the US declared war on Germany in 1917, the Haitian government protested against the heavy German submarine activity in the area. Haiti expelled Germans from the country and Germany severed diplomatic ties with Haiti. This gave Haitians the excuse to officially declare war on July 14, 1918. German property was confiscated by the Haitian government and placed in liquidation. In 1918, Germans return to the island after the war, and resumed their old business, and re-acquired their possessions.[2]

also


>In the François Duvalier (Papa Doc) era, the small town of Cazale became a communist stronghold where many young intellectuals clashed with the dictator's regime. As a result of their political indifference, March 29, 1969 became known as the worst day for the people of Cazale as Duvalier's Tonton Macoute (private army), built a barricade around Cazale, and murdered many young men.[2]

ur right poles did end up better off than germans, but still sounds like a pretty shit deal

>>2885018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gaetjens#Death_and_legacy
>be German mulatto Haitian
>love soccer
>nuttinbutsoccer.jpeg

>get murdered because of your bloodline

w e w

>>2884509
>Not sure what happened to the German settlement but Wiki mentions they were part of the whites spared by the massacre

Germans actually were the reason America took over Haiti. Well off German Haitians who mixed into the nation's population but having little to no ties to Germany itself were considered a threat to America in ww1which caused America to take over the nation.

>>2884429
Then you prove that voodoo is rampant in hitting as a religion.

If Haiti isn't Christian then you might as well call most Christian nation's non Christian.

>>2885018
>In 1918, Germans return to the island after the war, and resumed their old business, and re-acquired their possessions.[2]


Lol at least they got their shit back. Japanese leafs and yanks lost all their stuff post Ww2 and had to start from scratch

>>2880671
lol
People actually believe this shit happened?
It's fucking Nazi masturbation machine tier nonsense.

>honhonhon let us waste valuable gunpowder by taking the time to stuff it up a filthy slave's unwashed asshole in order punish him instead of just using the gunpowder to shoot him

It's fucking homo snuff-porn fan fiction.

>>2878823
>they destroyed their little side of the island as they just knew how to cut trees to make a fire
That's a funny way of saying "Had to cut down all their forests because that was the only way they where able to keep their independence because American refused to trade with Haiti out of fear that they would see a similar slave revolt."

>>2885094
Vodou, a religion with African roots similar to those of Cuba and Brazil, originated during colonial times in which slaves were obliged to disguise their loa or spirits as Roman Catholic saints, an element of a process called syncretism and is still practiced by some Haitians today. Since the religious syncretism between Catholicism and Vodou, it is difficult to estimate the number of Vodouists in Haiti

fuckoff

>>2885117
yeah ill give you that, but just think about it if you read the whole german haitian page it describes the fact that they did a lot of work keeping the place together. only to be told you arent welcome here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Haitians

its just crazy to think about living that lyfe

>>2884562
TIL the french was ISIS n sheit

>>2884589
> burning and crucifixion completely failed to deter the population of color

Because their circumstances were so shit those torturous deaths were seens as no worse then their lives as it was.

I think Sun Tzu had some shit to say about this.

Im paraphrasing "if you squeeze someone into a corner with no exit they will ferociously take the only exit they see, which is blocked by your army"

>>2878826
>being this mong

>>2885178
>only to be told you arent welcome here.

Because Haiti was OWNED by America. Have you never heard of the Monroe Doctrine or better yet the fact that Haiti INVADED America?.

>>2885178

And people allover the world do syncretic shit with their Christianity? Also why does it trucking matter that Haiti does Vodou?

>>2886243
Lol no why did haiti invade america?

yeah like two people a year, you asked why god hates haiti, I'm telling you and you are getting angry, voodou is probably the most evil religion out there thank heavens the number of them is as low as it is

>>2886243
So I mixed that up but how the hell is Vodou evil or the evilest region out there.

You think it actually worships the devil or something?

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>>2886323
How could it involve the devil?
A lot of it involves dead bodies, not all of it but it really is resemblant of necromancy, I'd even pick islam over it.

>>2886338
It's not about necromancy though. That's not even the main outpoint of it. That's like straight out of movies type of shit.

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>>2886323
>Animals are sometimes sacrificed in Haitian Vodou. A variety of animals are sacrificed, such as pigs, goats, chickens, and bulls. "The intent and emphasis of sacrifice is not upon the death of the animal, it is upon the transfusion of its life to the loa; for the understanding is that flesh and blood are of the essence of life and vigor, and these will restore the divine energy of the god.

>A man named Boukman, another houngan, organized on August 14, 1791, a meeting with the slaves in the mountains of the North. This meeting took the form of a Voodoo ceremony in the Bois Caïman in the northern mountains of the island. It was raining and the sky was raging with clouds; the slaves then started confessing their resentment of their condition. A woman started dancing languorously in the crowd, taken by the spirits of the loas. With a knife in her hand, she cut the throat of a pig and distributed the blood to all the participants of the meeting who swore to kill all the whites on the island.

w e w

What the hell? Is this thread full of asshurt Frogs or just straight up slavery apologists?

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>>2886520
No it has one triggered anon in it

>>2886467
Theres actyally no record of the oath in the caiman woods i think the only evidence we have is of folk legends passed down from generations and embellished to fit the voodoo beliefs of the descendants of this meeting. Still i like to believe it happened desu

>>2886543
Yeah you're right but do you think possessing animals, people, sacrificing animals, arguing with your family over the correct words every ceremony and casting "spells" and "curses" is a moral religion? Cause I seriously wouldn't want to associate myself with any of that.

>>2886564
>Yeah you're right but do you think possessing animals, people, sacrificing animals, arguing with your family over the correct words every ceremony and casting "spells" and "curses" is a moral religion? Cause I seriously wouldn't want to associate myself with any of that.

And you are basing this off stereotypes developed and propagated in the media.

>>2883011
>They had a common tongue and culture
Do you suppose french had a particular regional slave preference

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>>2886577
Nice dubs and no im not, I literally gave you info detailing what they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou#Loa

>As the songs are sung, participants believe that spirits come to visit the ceremony, by taking possession of individuals and speaking and acting through them. When a ceremony is made, only the family of those possessed is benefited. At this time it is believed that devious mambo or houngan can take away the luck of the worshippers through particular actions. For instance, if a priest asks for a drink of champagne, a wise participant refuses. Sometimes these ceremonies may include dispute among the singers as to how a hymn is to be sung. In Haiti, these Vodou ceremonies, depending on the Priest or Priestess, may be more organized. But in the United States, many vodouists and clergy take it as a sort of non-serious party or "folly". In a serious rite, each spirit is saluted and greeted by the initiates present and gives readings, advice, and cures to those who ask for help. Many hours later, as morning dawns, the last song is sung, the guests leave, and the exhausted hounsis, houngans, and mambos can go to sleep.

>A bokor is a sorcerer or magician who casts spells on request. They are not necessarily priests, and may be practitioners of "darker" things, and are often not accepted by the mambo or the houngan. Bokor can also be a Haitian term for a Vodou priest or other practitioner who works with both the light and dark arts of magic.[citation needed] The bokor, in that sense, deals in baka' (malevolent spirits contained in the form of various animals).[40]

Are we done yet?

>>2886591
That is pretty fun though.

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>>2886629
k so we're done
beace

>>2886586
unironically mandingos, though they were notorious for being unruly and escaping

>Slaves revolt and country falls apart because they don't know how to do anything without whitey!
>ctrl + F reparations
>0 of 0

Heh, great thread /his/

>>2878730
>blacks in charge of running a country
>worst country in the world
Shocking!

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>>2886665
just one more six is all it needed

>>2886591
Not him, but do you actually understand the core beliefs in Vodou though? It's not based on voodoo dolls and folk magic and calling upon evil spirits. It's fundamentally monotheistic. There is a single entity considered to be the supreme god, which they refer to as Bondye. The lower spirits (loa/lwa) which they syncretized with Catholic saints are subservient to Bondye and work as an intercessor in human affairs. Each accounts for a certain aspect of life, so some will inevitably be more agressive and war-like, while others are gentler and benevolent. It's in the wikipedia article you linked, even.

>>2886643
and do mandingos only come from one particular tribe and region of the african continent

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>>2886671
Yeah, some african retards tried to make a religion vvvery fast while hiding it from da white man
Every religion starts of saying we are good
its the shit you do for your religion(suicide bombs, OR sacrificing) that makes up how GOOD your religgion is, so if you want to telll me that they are nicce because they thats what they meant from the start sure, but isis claims the hijab is to keep women safe and untempting but they beat them/killl them if they dont wear them, is that ok?

This is my last post, ive been sittingg heere arguing with mandingo retards all day on my half assed broken keyboard when i could be playing morrowind

>>2886665
>Bring in shit tons of slaves
>Treat them with brutality the likes few men have ever experienced. Average slave lifespan is only a few years.
>Get overthrown by said slaves
>A bunch of uneducated, hyper vengeful slaves are the only ones left to run things

There are far better explanations as to why it all went to shit.

>>2886709
Bad meme, a bunch of bong convicts were able to create a country in a far more inhospitable environment.

>muh education!

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>>2886671
Also the belief in spirits is resemblant of worshipping multiple deities, they are pretty much demigods, they created that religion in the french langguage and started off using saints/candles just to trick french into thinking they were cathholic

forreal my last post you cud call me a gay nigger
c u c k and i wont even give you a (you)

>>2886709
And those explanations can be used during how many centuries of underdevelopment?

>>2886730
I'm not implying that the French are any longer to blame for anything. After a while it became the fault of the perpetual incompetent, corrupt Haitian regimes.

>>2886723
There's a world of difference between a British convict and an African slave.

>>2886703
What's the big deal about animal sacrifice though? If you eat meat, which the vast majority of people do, where's the un-hypocritical argument for why slicing a pig's throat is wrong? None of the other forms of veneration hurt anyone at all, and it's your biased perspective that they're oogabooga even if other religions do similar shit in more indirect ways.

>>2886772
Right, 30 IQ points on average.

>>2886700
yes they're scattered throughout parts of west africa. they're officially known as the mandinke people.

>>2886791
Really anon? You think a slave could be uneducated? Racist pig!

>>2878791

Sicilian Vespers happened.

>>2886820
Huh, this seems to add up.
Carry on, then.

>>2878860
>For example, the mummies didn’t have any DNA from sub-Saharan Africa, whereas about 20 percent of today’s Egyptians have sub-Saharan genes. Study lead author Johannes Krausetold Sciencethat the modern-day variation might be because either the spread of Islam or more trade increased contact between the different parts of Africa.

May also be slavery. Males were castrated but I'm sure SSA females bred with native males.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/30/15713536/ancient-egyptian-mummies-dna-genome-sequencing-near-east

>>2886586
Forcing slaves to not speak their native language or practice their religion was very common practice in the US. Slavers made a point of separating slaves who came from the same tribe.

>>2886774
Uggh we are so close to the amount of grain we need! WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET MORE!?!?

>sees pig
>teleports behind pig
????
profit?

>>2886725
No It's syncretic with Catholicism. Like there's people who do both religiously.

>>2886748
France did a lot of fucked up things though post revolution.

>>2886774
You can clearly show he is shitposting lol.
Always find it funny how people give varying levels of respect to Asian indigenous religions but the minute it's an African one or one descended from one people throw crazed bitch fits over it?

>>2887426
You mean retards who don't even know what their worshipping?

>>2887314
Actually not all men were castrated though.
Men were the ones who mixed with Egyptians because of age dynamics.

>>2887452
They know anon.

>>2887446
I think sacrifice is retarded sorry, If I have x amount of supplies and i need x more, referring to sacrifice as a measure to get what i want, is not only immoral, its stupid as fuck.

>i wanna kill you so i can have good weather not so i can keep my family fed

also i don't stick up for any animalistic tribe, be it white black brown yellow, I like people who are civilized don't pretend to curse eachother or sacriifice animals, period.

So many pussy liberals on this site holy shit.

>>2887462
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

>>2883137
Yeah you can see it when he was running, it was quite an awkward run. It looked like he was limping.

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>>2887468
>when he beats me in an argument ill start posting shitty memes

How about you go gag on a nigger dick, I know that is what you are daydreaming of

>>2887475
Irregardless its the same difference and i literally could care less for all intensive purposes so you're point is mute per say

>>2887491
>haha you stabbed me in the neck but I want to win so u are gonna die
I wish real fights worked with your logic, retard cuck

>>2887475
I'm afraid it isn't pasta. I realize that any posts including over 140 characters are treated with suspicion or instant dismissal in the new, twitterized 4chan but I assure you that each word of that post has its source in objective truth.

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>>2887506
So you didn't copy a shitty meme you made up a shitty meme? good job dude

>>2887510
Guess again, Chief Little Dick. The only thing I need to work is your mom's mouth. I am a man of Jesus, Christ is my nigga and I will use the Bible to its full extent to percecute you. I pray every night that I get shot and die, so that I can come back as a gay ghost and rape you with my spooky cock every night. Get a load of that. Check the mailbox because you just got Alpha Mail. Fucker. Fucker. These are the thoughts that pour through the soul of a superior human being. In conclusion, I wish you the best. I hope you have a great sex life. I hope you get so much pussy you literally drown in it, die, and go to Hell, where I will personally arrange for Hitler to be raping you in the afterlife. He'll cum on your back and won't even call.

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>>2886791
wew

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>>2887525
I'm going to now choose to stop replying to you, this isn't going anywhere by your decision, and it's disrespectful to this board to fill it up with shitposts.
Go to /b/ if you are going to act like this

>>2887532
what a cuck

>>2887462
Like I said, the followers of other religions practice similar shit, just in indirect ways. Explain how prayer like
>hi jeezus im sry i fapped to loli porn 2day but im in a rly tight spot and need ur help so if u could pls help me it would be gr8 i luv u nd im grateful 4 everything uve done already i hope ur listening amen
Is a more acceptable form of worship than making altars, laying out offerings, performing rituals, possession, and the occasional animal sacrifice in honor of the respective spirit(s) to receive help and guidance. Animal lives are pretty much fucking industrialized in the Western world. It's ritualized purpose in Vodou is the same concept as a human eating meat for sustenance.

>>2887568
So if we all play pretend that I can make a castle out of straw it can happen because you pretty much said that because everyone in haiti believes that sacrifice really does help it as just as useful as something more mechanical like lets say offering real help for your society through means of labor.
lol you act like these long time catholic worshipers throw these half assed rituals to respect their beliefs, it's pretty ironic because you are sucking up to a religion that was pretty much made on the way to haiti

What exactly was happening on the Spanish side of the island during this war?

>>2887612
I don't know everything about it but at one point the spanish stood by while the blacks massacred french

>>2887578
Lad, Haitian Vodou is a part of the African diaspora of religions, who have their roots in African religions that have existed for a long time. They didn't just make it up when they got to Haiti, it was syncretized with Catholicism.
>everyone in haiti believes that sacrifice really does help
Well they have their beliefs, it's efficacy can be called into question just like those of pretty much every other religion - ever. As for the society thing, the religion places a large importance on giving back to your community. Ancestral worship is vital and the primary basis for working within the religion and other spirits. People who lived honorable lives pass on to ginen and are venerated by living family members. Those who don't get largely forgotten.
I know you have this preconceived notion about how it actually works when you don't really know much about it, but at least try to keep an open mind.

>>2878730
>French went full psycho
>By asking some money to forget the fucking genocide of everyone even partially French on the island

>>2887612
the british and spanish attempted to invade during the french revolution if thats what you mean

>>2887640
It was synchronized over the years you fucking idiot, they started off using it as a disguise i keep saying it and you keep dismissing it.
I know this is all because you really love niggger digg and you just want to be right but sorry man haitian vodou is unique to haitii, it is based off the french language and while you keep larping as a voodoo expert you never even go into detail about this synchronization you constantly holler.

>>2886709
You forgot French banned slavery, the blacks became free men and were accepted in the army. Some of them even had a good rank.

>>2887640
And don't call me lad you are prolly a 5 ft cuck who lives in oregon

>>2878730
>hey let's kill YT
>uh oh everything is shit now
>help me YT
>this is YT's fault

>>2887675
>It was synchronized over the years you fucking idiot, they started off using it as a disguise i keep saying it and you keep dismissing it.
Alright, so what implications does that have for how it's practiced in the modern day, which is pretty much what I explained to you?
>haitian vodou is unique to haitii
Well fucking duh it is. There are other forms of voodoo practiced in other places, like Louisiana for instance.
>it is based off the french language and while you keep larping as a voodoo
...ookay, so explain this to me. How do you create an entire religion centered around a language?

>>2887715
I asked you to explain how niggers sync it like you are so adamant about and just avoided answering.

The language is important because it is/was commonplace for the singers to just fight about correct word usage, they constantly bickered over stupid shit like song lyrics

and yeah it is practiced other places and it is just as fucked.

Do you have any other stupid questions little cuck?
How about you move to haiti and tell me about how great and peaceful it is?

>>2878730
>Were the french psychos?
Yes. Their most famous national heroes are a schizophrenic peasent girl and a child raping serial killer.

>>2887715
To my understanding this "sync" you keep dickriding is extremely vague, and is hated even by christian Haitians. and laughably by pure vodous.
Do you want to keep arguing with me little baby?

>>2887729
>I asked you to explain how niggers sync it like you are so adamant about and just avoided answering.
They synced the pre-existing spirits with the Catholic saints, pretty sure I mentioned it briefly in my opening post. They attached the spirit to the saint which was most similar in attributes, so that yes, they could practice their original religion undetected in its early days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loa
Still don't see how this is important to how the religion is practiced.
>The language is important because it is/was commonplace for the singers to just fight about correct word usage, they constantly bickered over stupid shit like song lyrics
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that plays importance in hymns and rituals, but not as the foundation for the entire belief system.
>How about you move to haiti and tell me about how great and peaceful it is?
Haiti's infrastructure is completely unrelated. I don't know why you're bringing it up.

>>2885158
The French handling of Haiti was anything but practical or pragmatic, as shown with the dogs. Sorry your ancestors were literally ISIS tier Pierre

>>2887784
Because the entire reason why everyone on /hiis/ started arguing with me is because I started saying vodou is an immoral and retarded religion, which it is.
So yeah, they just all said "no it's not the way you think it is, we love saints"
if that is some kind of reformation i am laughing atm, and the reason why i bring up language is to explain how loosely governed and planned the religion was they didnt even know their own lyrics.
Haiti might have been a bit better if they didn't have autism as a belief system, why are you allowed to criticize paganism and christianity but I can't pick on this new half christian assed poorly arranged mage class larping belief system? that is still going on to this day of all things?
If you STILLL want to argue with me ask yourself this, would america succeed under a majority vodou population compared to a christian one?
If so how?
>Also
How has vodou helped haitian society?

and why do you love nigger cock in your mouth?

>>2878823
>>2881715
>Wampler wondered whether they had set a sufficient minimum area for tree cover. So they used the FAO’s definition of a “forest,” which includes trees higher than 5 meters (about 16 feet) covering at least half a hectare. He ran the analysis again. The computer estimated Haiti’s forest coverage at nearly 30 percent, a number similar to the coverage in the United States, France, and Germany, and far higher than in Ireland and England. Wampler had discovered a rarity in today’s world: a good-news environmental story in one of the planet’s poorest countries. But then he had a troubling thought: “People won’t like this.”

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>>2887814
>vodou is an immoral and retarded religion, which it is.
It isn't. You haven't given any valid arguments as to why it is.
>if that is some kind of reformation i am laughing atm
I'm sure it wasn't meant to be a reformation, and I don't consider it one.
>why are you allowed to criticize paganism and christianity but I can't pick on this new half christian assed poorly arranged mage class larping belief system? that is still going on to this day of all things?
Lol. Vodou is by all means a pagan religion. Do you know what that word means? Anyway, it's not like you actually knew fuck all about the belief system until you started citing wikipedia articles to justify your uninformed claims, which were pretty retarded btw and sounded like you garnered them from a b-rated horror movie. That's the type of shit that doesn't belong on this board.
>If you STILLL want to argue with me ask yourself this, would america succeed under a majority vodou population compared to a christian one?
Not important to me.

>>2887645
That's not why they asked for money at all. They give no fucks about the deaths compared to being able to wring Haiti of its money because until Haiti was recognized no one near it would trade with them.

fucking hate /pol/tards.

>>2887456
age dynamics? pls explain? sounds interesting.

>>2887879
Sacrifice is immoral, any form of "dark"magic is immoral, I have no idea why you are defending it so hard

Lol "and I don't consider it" yeah, you are so full of shit, keep posting smug faces.

>not important to me
yeah ignore the question
you are such a cancer

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>>2886772
>>2886791
holy shit, fucking OWNED

>>2886834
IQ doesn't measure education, it measures pattern recognition.
Its as useful for programming as it is for hunting or collecting berries.

>>2883061
>Lad, as a Capetonian, that is just a fucked up stupid idea.
People in South Africa don't say 'lad', so you can stop larping.

>Cape Town, or even the whole Western Cape, does not have the capacity to support itself as an independent state.
Not true. The western cape could easily function independently. Just because it becomes independent doesn't mean it can't trade for raw materials from the rest of the country.

>>2889037
>Sacrifice is immoral, any form of "dark"magic is immoral,
I already explained why it's for you hypocritical to condemn animal sacrifice, and according to this link which is written by an actual practicioner and not the opinion of some neckbeard on 4chan, they cook it and eat it afterwards as well.
http://vodoureligion.com/2011/04/haitian-vodou-and-animal-sacrifice/
If you want to continue basing your opinions off of your feelings, then do whatever you want, I just hope you don't consider yourself rational or unbiased.
As for the dark magic shit, you're basing that off of the practices of a few outliers in the religion. The excerpt you cited earlier from the wikipedia article even stated that bokor are not recognized to be legitimate by other priests. I gave you some very concise descriptions of the fundamental philosophy behind it which does not coincide with your "evil sorcery" narrative, but you still want to continue believing what's convenient for you. Well, good luck with that.

>>2889005
Women don't fuck young men, old men fuck young women

>>2880586
Their leaders supposedly made a pact with the devil for their freedom. It's an old legend.

>>2878823
Same resources as D.R., they still cut down trees to make charcoal. D.R. chases them away when they make forays in to cut down their trees.

This is happening in modern times. You can't continue to blame the French, the Americans, and the Spanish.

>>2878938
Haiti and the D.R. have similar populations.