Why is Solzhenitsyn considered to be reliable source?

>>2874424
Why is /leftypol/ considered to be better than /pol/?

I see no significant difference.

He's not.

His only claim for relevance is being anti-commie writer during cold war.

>>2874424
>>2874485
>>>/leftypol

>>2874507
Even /pol/tards gaslight more effectively than this.

>>2874517
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c

>>2874428
>>2874507
my point is that people that actualy tried to be realistic like Shalamov dont get attention.

>>2874424
>In 1949 some friends and I came upon a noteworthy news item in Nature, a magazine of the
Academy of Sciences. It reported in tiny type that in the course of excavations on the Kolyma River
a subterranean ice lens had been discovered which was actually a frozen stream — and in it were
found frozen specimens of prehistoric fauna some tens of thousands of years old. Whether fish or
salamander, these were preserved in so fresh a state, the scientific correspondent reported, that those
present immediately broke open the ice encasing the specimens and devoured them with relish on the spot.
With this starts his magnum opus
>preserved in so fresh
>encasing the specimens and devoured them with relish on the spot

>>2874544
How was Solzhenitsyn not realistic?

>>2874547
What is your point?

>>2874549
>500% of GULAG population died in them

>>2874556
No need to be genius to get the point, if you will able to understand what wrong here, you'll understand what wrong with Solzhenitsyn

Oh look another tankie shitpost thread

Comrade Stalin did nothing wrong Solzhenitsyn is a fraud and never went to gulag lying kulak bullshit the USSR never hurt anyone

>>2874565
As opposed to the not dubious at all Soviet archives, amirite?

>>2874580
No one denies the USSR hurt people, but the people who were hurt deserved it

There is no such passage in 'GULag Archipelago I-VII', '200 years together', in any knot of the 'Red wheel', 'First circle', 'Cancer ward' or in 'Ivan Denisovits' and he never publicly said anything like that. Just stating obvious here, because 88% of /his/ and /pol/ have never read a single book.

Nobody have said Solzenitsyn to be a 'reliable source' and Arhipelago is no academic history, but an oral history of the camps. For academic history of the camps, there is Applebaums' work and as one can find, there is very little difference between two in general.

If telling the truth is considered to be 'anticommunist' (and that logic commies do indeed follow), then he was one.

>>2874544
Varlam Tihinovits not getting attention? When the book was first released officially (not in samizdat) in Russian (or USSR) in 1989, Ivans bought multiple copies of it remembering what happened to Solzenitsyns' 'Ivan Denisovits'. (it was pulled from sale and from libraries, it 'ceased to exist' in Soviet Union)

>>2874581
Why do you think governments create archives? Dumb dumb

>>2874582

Yes I'm sure the tens of millions of people who were imprisoned and killed by the Soviet regime all deserved it and were greedy kulaks amirite

No false imprisonment or execution of innocents there nope, the gommies were good boys and only punished the guilty

>>2874581
As opposed to basic math and logic in having real informations in top secret archives, amirite?

>>2874608

Fuck off kulak scum. You're the reason the few have all and the many suffer!

>>2874581
>soviet archives are dubious
Soviet archives are full of dirt on them.
They were never meant to be seen by public eyes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_affair
Why didn't soviets just erase this from archives? Why does the data on military purge, on shitty population census exist?
Why do we know that they faked some of the WW2 heroes? That Stakhanovite movement was artificial and orchestrated?

It's all in the fucking archives. Sometimes it's not in the open but historians are working on reconstructing the complete picture by comparing dozens of memos and internal documents.

>>2874583
I am interested in fictions role for study of real history. Do you have any opinion in that

>>2874485

>SOVIETS DINDU NUFFIN!

>>2875050
Soviets did a lot of fucked up shit but that doesn't make Solzhenitsyn a serious source.

>>2875085
Why is he not a serious source?

I sincerely wish that lefties would just admit that they don't have any problems with murdering the bourgeoisie or their political enemies, instead of whining about the validity of the sources that right-wing people use against them.

>>2875102
I wish they would leave this board, along with /pol/. The only purpose they serve is counteracting each other's cancer.

>>2875112
I agree tbqh.

I don't know.

The guy's figures are literally all false when compared with actual primary source documentation.

>>2874666
>redistribute the land equally
>some people turn out to be harder and smarter workers and end up richer than the rest
>use their profit to hire help
>get killed as kulaks
This literally happened

>>2874424
the same reason kikes were source of holohoax claims, their supporters will believe the most insane things if it's about their enemies

>>2874582
I agree, anarchists and social Democrats deserve to be shot or worked to death

>>2875092
Why would he be?
He had absolutely no soviet documents or any reliable data available to him at the time he wrote his stuff. That didn't stop him from coming up with numbers and some absolutely wild claims. His stuff is filled with "they say/I believe" source and math.
Outside of his personal experiences of prison life he can't be taken seriously on anything and even then it's questionable how much he dramatized since there are pieces here and there that don't make too much sense.

>>2874569
You think it is anecdotal nonsense that applies to the whole book?

>>2875407
>Why would he be?
He lived it.

>Outside of his personal experiences of prison life he can't be taken seriously on anything and even then it's questionable how much he dramatized since there are pieces here and there that don't make too much sense.
Clarify.

>>2874424
If there's one thing I've learned from studying the Cold War, all you need to do to be loved by the West is oppose Communism, regardless of whatever else you do.

>>2874596
You do realize that governments have plenty of reasons to falsify statistics, right?

>>2875476
>He lived it.
Which would mean he has evidence of specific incidents, not of the statistical big picture.

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>>2875476
>He lived it.
My grandparents lived in soviet union and had a strong opinion of it being a perfect place but I'm rather fucking doubtful of it.

Just being there doesn't automatically means everything you say is true. Shalamov was there as well and thought Solzhenitsyn was a piece of shit and was trying to cash in on the subject.

He lived it, i guess he should be trusted 100%.

>Clarify.
Solzhenitsyn has spent most of his conviction in a comfort of research facilities and skipped all the actually brutal years of gulags.
Scenarios like this don't mesh with reality all that well:
>Mы нaкaляли дpyг дpyгa тaким нacтpoeниeм - и жapкoй нoчью в Oмcкe, кoгдa нac, pacпapeннoe, иcпoтeвшee мяco, мecили и впихивaли в вopoнoк, мы кpичaли нaдзиpaтeлям из глyбины: "Пoдoждитe, гaды! Бyдeт нa вac Tpyмэн! Бpocят вaм aтoмнyю бoмбy нa гoлoвy!.." И тaк yж мы избoлeлиcь пo пpaвдe, чтo нe жaль былo и caмим cгopeть пoд oднoй бoмбoй c пaлaчaми"
Why wouldn't prisoners get fucked up for chanting death to USSR? Why wouldn't they get increased punishment and sentences if the system was so brutal? How did they gain knowledge of nuclear programs when soviets tried to keep it under wraps for years?

He claims to be working as a snitch but not snitching. How?

The entire text is very heavily emotionally charged in Russian and smells of romanticism.

>>2876176
>You do realize that governments have plenty of reasons to falsify statistics, right?
When people are missing they are missing.
For example a good chunk of Stalin's military purge was not documented as "we are shooing x number of people today". In fact the purge part of the paper trail is fairly limited. But at the same time when a good number of people disappear or are dismissed in short period of time and then arrested separately that leaves a trail.
Work with soviet archives doesn't involve just taking the numbers for granted but a good amount of comparing official documents, memos, family registers and searching for missing links.

>>2875112
LMao what the fuck? a bunch of anonymous users being grouped together? /pol/ isn't a group of people, this isn't Reddit and there aren't "/pol/" tags on an anon's post. Eat shit

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>>2874582
>but the people who were hurt deserved it

Acknowledging Solzhenitsyn was a fanatic nationalist and Zarist who advocated for the return of a theocracy constantly invented figures doesn't make Stalinism better, one thing doesn't exclude the other, are people here retarded?

>>2874582
Kys leftie shill.

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>>2874666