Russia's size is the only reason for victory

>>2871986
But it wasn't and they lost. Stop what if-ing

>>2872016
Just want to debunk the "le winter" meme. It was logistics and frontline lenght mostly.

>>2871986

He's basically right. Russia is super hard to invade just because of how fucking big it is. In both world wars, the Russian army was pretty much the only player in the game who actually had to luxury of being able to retreat if they needed to. For every other country, the Army was expected to defend every inch of territory at all cost.

You kinda have a point, in that Russia is that place where the defender can always just pack up and leave when things get tough, because there's a bajillion more miles to fall back through. Incredibly the people invading Russia keep forgetting this.
>surely X spot is the place Russia will surrender over!
>if I kill X Russians they'll have to give up!
All the while not grasping that the only advantage Russia was gifted, is that they can never run out of Russia.

>>2872026

Sure, and the climate significantly worsened both of those factors. Logistics was made significantly more difficult due to the rainy season and winter.

If winter can make it take like 30 minutes longer for me to get to work on a concrete road in a well maintained city, imagine what it can do to a steady stream of tanks with constant maintenance problems, horse drawn wagons, trucks, freezing soldiers on foot etc on shitty dirt roads.

Sure, logistics is what fucked them, but winter multiplied the difficulties of steady logistics.

>>2871986
All of the factors you mentioned are correct.

>>2871986
Yes, that may be true but Hitler still claimed his people were a master race who could beat them and he was proven wrong.
>It wasn't Soviet strenght or German weakness.
Well it literally was. Having more men is a strength and losing a war is a weakness.

>>2872036
Because defending every inch of Russian territory is pretty hard, I'd say. Russia can just get invaded from basically everywhere.

>>2873484
t. Brainlet

>>2871986
>It wasn't Soviet strength or German weakness.
But the Soviets had all that land because they were strong... and the Germans had relatively little land because they were relatively weak.

>>2871986
>Russia would've lost ww2 if it wasn't Russia

Well... Okay then?

>logistics are a huge thing in war
Who would have thought

>If it was even the size of 5 France's, while retaining its resources, industry, population and army, Germany would have easily won.
If Russia was compressed to size of 5 frances while retaining its resources and population it would be by far the strongest country in the world.
A huge problem for Russia historically is how shitty and inefficient the land is. Many of the resources weren't really available until mid-late 20th century.
Compress it and you create the best industrial superstate in the world.

>>2871986
>only reason
There is never one reason

Lendlease program

>>2874648
This, are wehraboo that retarded ?

>>2873516
>But the Soviets had all that land because they were strong... and the Germans had relatively little land because they were relatively weak.

What a brainless way to look at it. Most of Russia's land was undeveloped empty steppe and marsh.

>>2874944
Soviets lost about 60% of their food production when Ukraine was taken.

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>>2874935
America paid 600billion to defeat Germany via it's main proxy's of USSR and the Commonwealth. Incredible

>>2874935
>Lendlease program

Had no impact in winter 41 that was the moment the war in the east was lost.

Counterattack against Heeresgruppe Mitte

Heresgruppe Mitte almost getting annihilated, soviets fucking germans without a 2nd front or ll.

Deal with it

>>2871986
It was resources and resource allocation.

Germany spent too many economical and temporal resources on trying crazy new types of tanks and weapons, while Russia min-maxed their industry on only certain stuff that they could then mass-produce.

Russia would never run out of tanks, soldiers, weapons or supplies before Germany did.

>>2873487
>surrounded on all sides by mountains or sea, except for the European plains to the west which is the only place they have suffered a land invasion ever since initially conquering the Eurasian Steppe
>can just invaded from basically everywhere
anon pls

>>2871986
I heard they had also superior technology, manpower... And also Germans helped them by intimidating population living on occupied USSR territory?

>>2871986
>russia's strategy using its strategic advantage allowed it to win the war
really makes me think

>>2874926
Anti communists btfo

Daily reminder that Poland-Lithuania was the only European country to conquer Russia. Frogs and Krauts BTFO