The Mesopotamians haven't really made any major contribution

Best youtuber thread?

You stand on Mesopotamian shoulders when you live in ANY society.

>>2871425
>YouTubers
>good in any way

>>2871428
t.southern Iraqi

yeah except inventing civilization

Persians copy mesopotamians Greeks copy Persians roman copy Greeks we all copy Romans. Simple.

>>2871423
Yeah people underrate Greek society far more then people think

>>2871423
>Mesopotamians
>not white

>>2871423
Written language and society

>>2871423
>Mesopotamia
>real
Lmao

>>2871449
Not a good thing
>>2871450
>Greeks copied Persians
Good one

>>2871471
not a good thing?

what's it like posting on a chinese anime board you fucking hypocrit.

>>2871423
You are objectively retarded, OP.

>>2871471
>Greeks copied Persians
>Good one

After Alexander? fuck yes they did, and once Alexander was dead they copied the administration, traditions and culture of whatever piece of the empire they got.

>>2871459
Nice Wewuzisim.

>>2871423
that's sad, I saw that image and immediately thought of Carl Benjamin

>>2871497
>>2871485
>>2871598
t.mehmet
t.

>>2871423
If I'm not mistaken, saintly halos are from ancient Assyria.

>>2871423
They still were the first building blocks for future civilizations, you cant take that way from them

New /his/ Discord:
https://discord.gg/sf9tYGd

>>2871634
You are retarded.

How come? They invented the Babylonian religion, of which genus Judaism is a species, of which Christianity is a subsect.

I know agriculture is not important for the average basement dweller, but damn.

>>2871826
You are not Mesopotamian you sperg

>>2871423
>Mesopotamians
>Existing
You mean Sumerians who originated in India

>>2871498
>they copied the administration
They didn't copy the administration unless you considered the office of 'satrap' as being one, which is flawed because the concept of having provincial governors wasn't a revolutionary thing, and the Persians didn't invent it. Major Greek powers already knew about installing Governors in subjugated territory, away from their respective capital, to manage the affairs in the land for the interest of their affiliated state. >traditions and culture
...such as?

>>2871840
I am not claiming to be a Mesopotamian you piss-ant mongoloid. What I do find funny is how defensive you get when called out trying to LARP Mesopotamians as being "white".

>>2871872
You know there was more to the Persian administration then just territorial governors right?

>>2871449
Generally considered a bad move.

>>2871805
>>2871819
Can you fucking STOP shilling your shitty chinese botnet hosted server all over the board you pieces of shit?

>>2871876
Fuck off mehmet Mesopotamians were white you stillborn mongrel

>>2871929
>mehmet
Still not following you on this.
>Mesopotamians were white
Proof?
>mongrel
Pretty sure I am whiter than you, bud.

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>>2871929
>>2871948
>arguing about the pigment of your skin
>when it would darken in less than 2 generations even without interbreeding if you moved to a sunny region

>>2872033
I only asked that retard why he kept claiming "Mesopotamians", who aren't even a unified ethnicity or single people, why they are "white" supposedly.

>>2871423
Their astronomy obsession led to the identification of several major constellations which were used by later civilizations in navigation.

>>2871423
What are you doing outside of /pol/, Sargon?

Isn't our entire system of measuring time from Mesopotamians? The whole 60-60-24 shebang?

>>2871429
Arumba is pretty good

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Well just off the top my head the facet that time is in intervals of 60 is a Mesopotamian invention

>>2872110
>>2871929
Does anyone here other than delusional stromfags unironically believe that Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Persians, etc were all genocided and replaced or is that just a forced meme? honestly wondering.
like whats the rationale here? is it " I want to like MEsopotamians cuz le edgy youtube fedora larps as one but I don't like brown people

Beer? Writing? Vehicles? Social Structure? Literature? Come on man, at least try. Whether they were brown or white or beige or purple for christ's sake, they are one of perhaps four cultures where civilization originates. The only reason you're alive is because of them, and unless you're planning on arguiong that it would be better for mankind to have endlessly toiled in a dangerous life without medicine, vaccines or any period of true security, wandering as gatherers forevermore that to have ascended to the heights of this day and age.

>>2872517
Mesopotamians? Its a region but all the "language isolate" people like the Sumerians I feel were likely assimilated and absorbed by the waves of Semitic speakers in the late Bronze and early Iron Ages. Iranians? Definitely a /pol/ aka /stormfront/ meme of them being altered considering both halpologroups and autosomal results show most of them like the Persians remaining the same as their Iron Age ancestors, a few tens of thousands of Arabs or Turks didn't alter them. Can't say about the Egyptians because I don't know much about them but I heard the Christian Copts and then Muslim Egyptian Arabic speakers are still "close" to their ancestors.

>>2872601
Akkadian is Semitic and from Mesopotamia. I'm pretty sure Akkadian speakers are still considered Mesopotamians. Aramaic may have been from areas west of Mesopotamia, but Eastern Aramaic also inherited much from Akkadian.

About Christians being closer, they practice endogamy currently and probably have for a while. I don't know much about Egypt's case either, but in Assyria/Kurdistan they segregate, thus preserving the most Akkadian-influenced dialect of Aramaic. Although the town that retained the most influence was one of the biggest takeovers by I. S., so it's endangered.

>>2871423
That's the guy from YouTube wtf

>>2871948
>pollack
>white
Nice try grel
>>2872517
t.stormfaggot

>>2872110
>being this delusional and mad

>>2873113
I don't think you even know the words you're spouting.

>>2871423

How many degrees are there in a circle, faggot? How many second in a minute, how many minutes in an hour, how many hours in a day, how many months in a year? What are wheel? What is wheat, domesticated cattle and horses? Who is Noah, and for that matter 90% of the Old Myth in the Bible? Who is Herakles? What is bronze, what are laws, and how does commerce work?

>>2871857
proofs

>>2873295
You're retarded

>>2873330
Oldest wheel was in Europe dumb darkcuck try again though

>>2873360
I know (You) are retarded, anon. I'm still waiting for that explanation and proof Mesopotamia was all "white".

The people actually replying to this ridiculously airborne level obvious bait thread should be gathered up and slammed against boulders.

>>2873385
I never said that the other anon baited you and you fell for it bad

>>2873385
t.chink

>>2873403
>I never said that
Yeah sure thing buddy.

>>2873405
t. roach

>>2873416
t.chink roach

>>2871423
Nothing really except IT WAS NUMBER 1 in civilization. Everything that the Mesopotamia did, Assyria and Persia did better.

>>2873453
>Assyria
It's a part of Mesopotamia.

>Persia
I guess but they were influenced heavily by Mesopotamia.

>>2873462
I fucked up
I was referring to Sumer

>>2873434
That's what you are.

>>2873462
They are both part of Mesopotamia anyways.

>>2871423
>Written laws of measured punishment specific to crime

Thanks Hammurabi

>>2873364

Guess again you dumb faggot.

>>2873491
t.angry chink Roach

>>2873541
The most advanced wheel was found in slovania in 3300 bc far more advanced then the Sumerian stop and turn which was used as lids the slovanian one had the capicity to transport.
For the second time now try again stupid shithead

>>2873587
>most advanced

Guess what you dumb prick, before you can develop an advanced wheel, you have to have a basic wheel. Guess where the basic wheel was developed, you cretinous spasticated submoron?

>>2873595
Both wheels were created literally around the same time a lot of people including stormfaggots fell for "euro mud hut" meme it may be true for Norwegians but it's not for some central and Southern Europeans
For the last time try again full bred chimp you absolute schizoid dipshit.

>>2873393
This,you're all monstrously subhuman

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>>2871425
>Sargon
>good youtuber
eww

>>2873727
Lol he's probably the worst YouTuber without a doubt

>>2873572
Its not working, cockroach.

>>2873748

>probably
>without a doubt
maybe

Why is everyone so fucking jittery ITT?

>>2871429
Historia Civilis?

>>2875015
Cocaine

>>2873727
>>2871425

I hate that fat quadroon cuck for appropriating the name and likeness of a great historical figure.

>>2875090
hes ok I suppose but it's still garbage content.

>read sources
>make laziest little animations possible
>regurgitate sources

If he did it for less well known shit it would be worth watching, but so far he's just focused on the big flashy events that everyone already knows about. I'm sure his Alesia video was very interesting for someone who hasn't also read Caesar's diaries, but it's very intro-level.

His animations are actually more interesting in the context of roman political life, I got a real feel for the room when he would break down the events with an animation, brought the mob aspect of roman politics to life.

I hope he starts to do less known stories and battles, then his format would actually be informative.

Civilization spread
Phoenicians > Greece (after dark age) > rest of Mediterranian/Europe
Where do you think that trade-obsessed semitic tribe got the manners, hm? You sure it wasn't in Mesopoatmia?

>>2874930
t.mongol Roach

>>2875015
Because Asians are roaches

Cuneiform

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>>2871423
He looks like him
Is this guy everywhere

>>2875570
Its not working, dude.

>>2875730
t.roach Mongol

Most of what's popularly attributed to Mesopotamia are memes and bullshit. Our writing comes from Egypt and has nothing to do with cuneiform, things like the wheel, the plough and sails were invented several times in different places like Southeast Europe and Egypt, agriculture comes from the Levant and Anatolia, and cities and civilization arose independently in Egypt, Greece and elsewhere. Civilization as we know it is mostly derived from the eastern Mediterranean (Egypt, Greece, Canaan), and though Mesopotamia did play a big role in shaping those cultures it was not the 'mother culture' for any of them.

We do owe stuff to Mesopotamia though, the most important probably being cattle (though I think these were domesticated in India too), but that was long before Mesopotamian civilization actually existed. We also owe them a lot of mathematical and astronomical knowledge that they passed down to the Greeks. Also Greek painting was originally derived from various eastern traditions, including Mesopotamian ones, which is hugely important because naturalistic painting ultimately goes back to them.

Mesopotamia was a hugely important civilization, I'm just sick of people acting like all civilization west of China derives from them.

>>2875970
This.whats with the meme that Greece "copied"the Sumerians even stormfaggots believe and that's saying a lot when they're super white-centric

>>2875838
Its still not working.

>>2876081
t.mongrel roach

>>2875970
>Our writing comes from Egypt
no. phoenicia, and phoenicians moved west from guess where? hint: Meso something

>agriculture comes
agriculture independent even in PNG being early

> Civilization as we know it is mostly derived from the eastern Mediterranean (Egypt, Greece, Canaan)
greece wasnt a player until after phoenicia

mesopotamia is where the earliest formalization of a system known as civilization, with the same formula being copies by greece, rome, china etc..

>>2876106
ah the Levant isn't Mesopotamai you utterly retarded fuck, Phoenician alphabet comes from protosinaitic which comes from Egyptian

>>2876106
>with the same formula being copies by greece, rome, china etc..

What?

Greek civilization wasn't copied from Mesopotamia, are you fucked in the head?

Neither was Chinese which was completely different and doesn't share anything with ancient Mesopotamia

>>2876106
>phoenicia, and phoenicians moved west from guess where? hint: Meso something
It doesn't matter where the Phoenicians came from (though they weren't from Mesopotamia), their writing system derives ultimately from Egypt.

>agriculture independent even in PNG being early
I don't know what you're saying, but most Eurasian agriculture west of China is derived from the Levant, Anatolia and the Zagros, not Mesopotamia.

>greece wasnt a player until after phoenicia
The Mycenaeans did exist, but never mind that, it's beside the point. Phoenicia was a part of Canaan and was a part of the Eastern Mediterranean more than the Mesopotamian world, though it was influenced by both. Their greatest accomplishments were trying together the Eastern Mediterranean (and thus allowing Greece to reemerge) and creating an alphabetical script derived from Egypt.

>mesopotamia is where the earliest formalization of a system known as civilization, with the same formula being copies by greece, rome, china etc..
The rise of civilization in Greece, Rome, China and elsewhere was the result of social and economic circumstances such as agricultural intensification, population growth, warfare, economic stimulation through trade, and a degree of cultural diffusion. Even though some civilizations were heavily influenced by others, such as Rome and Greece or Greece and Phoenicia, it was never a matter of copying some 'formulation' of civilization. And Mesopotamia was not the most significant influence on any of these cultures (or an influence at all in the case of China). They influenced aspects of Greek civilization like mathematics and painting, but they did not have anything to do with the rise of Greek city states or their adoption of literacy.

>>2871423
They didn't need to. No civilisation wakes up one morning and decides they'll contribute something deliberately with the intention of making whatever civilisation that replaces them better for it.

>>2876212
Greek civilization copied the Mycenaeans who copied the Minoans who copied the Mesopotamians

>>2876365
Good post.

>>2876424
Minoans didn't copy the Mesopotamians, maybe they took from Egyptians but not much anyway.

>>2876365
They copied the Caanans who copied the Mesopotamians

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>>2871423
OP stumped

>>2871423
beginnings of:
agriculture and irrigation
government and laws
writing and literature

>>2876424
>Greek civilization copied the Mycenaeans
No.

>who copied the Minoans
Yes.

>who copied the Mesopotamians
Not much.

The post-Dark Age Greek civilization emerged around the 8th century BC, centuries after the total collapse of Mycenaean civilization. Memories of the Mycenaeans were preserved through oral literature, but the actual defining features of their civilization, such as urbanism, statehood and literacy, had disappeared. The Geometric Greeks of the Iron Age either redeveloped these features from scratch (in the case of urbanism and statehood) or adopted them from other cultures of the eastern Mediterranean (in the case of writing). Aspects of their culture were influenced by the Mycenaean legacy and by Mesopotamian contacts, but their development into a civilization had very little to do with either of them.

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>>2876365
>>2876212
>>2876505

This. The Near East didn't influence the Greeks at all. Greek civilization was developed independently and it would have emerged even if they had lived in Iceland

>>2876538
No, if they lived in Iceland it wouldn't have emerged

>>2876538
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but nobody is saying that.

>>2876088
Its not working still, Memet.

>>2876212
Not him, it wasn't copied but saying Greeks weren't hugely influenced by the Near East is downplaying Mesopotamia's influence.

>>2871423
their base-12 counting system gave us a lot of our time units
>60 seconds in a minute
>60 minutes in an hour
>24 hours in a day
>12 months in a year

>>2877090
t.wormy chink roach

>>2874983
Perhaps

>>2876549
Why not?

>>2877090
Nobody's saying the Greeks weren't influenced by the Mesopotamia, but the idea that the Greeks were somehow 'derived' from Mesopotamia is way off. Greece was mostly an independent development with significant influence from Phoenicia and Egypt. Mesopotamia did have an influence in areas like mathematics, art and mythology, but most of that came after Greece had already formed as a civilization.

>>2871423
>First civilization
>The very basis of everything you have right now
Kay.

>forgetting Sumer

R*man please go

>>2873727
The 4chan pendulum is swinging

>The Mesopotamians haven't really made any major contribution to modern society
It sure is sumer in here

Now gimme some (you)s fags

Such a bold statement OP

>>2876106
>>2875970
>>2876201
>>2876365
>>2876212
>t.returds

Egyptian hieroglyphs came into existence a little after Sumerian script, and were invented under the influence of the latter and that the general idea of expressing words of a language in writing was brought to Egypt from Sumerian Mesopotamia

Iorwerth Eiddon Stephen Edwards, et al., The Cambridge Ancient History
Geoffrey Sampson (1 January 1990). Writing Systems: A Linguistic Introduction

>>2871429
I like Indy Neidell. Sure he can abandon the lesson for more of an entertainment approach at times, but I still appreciate his documentary week by week news schtick he does.

>>2873748
I watched sargon because of all the hype and disliked him from the getgo becuase of how obviously he was picking the softest targets where he would never have to be challenged.

>>2873727
I don't remember a time when 4chan actually respected Sargon.

>>2877990
> and were invented under the influence of the latter

This is complete bullshit, shut your mouth because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Egyptian hieroglyphs were developed indipendently and don't look anything like Sumerian cuneiform, plus there was next to none contacts between Sumerians and Egyptians in their earlier phases.

>>2878905
[citation needed]

>>2878905
>shut your mouth because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

He literally cited the book that explains this you complete moron. Go back to posting animu pictures you waste of skin.

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>>2876538
This is what Greeks actually believe .

>>2877123
Its not working, Memet you cockroach.

>>2877990
Your source is decades out of date. Egyptian and Sumerian writing systems emerged about the same time and developed separately.

Here are some more recent sources:
>https://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/oimp/oimp-33-pyramids-origins-egyptian-civilization
See pages 99-103.

>https://oi.uchicago.edu/research/publications/oimp/oimp-32-visible-language-inventions-writing-ancient-middle-east-and
See page 115 onward.

>>2876474
how far have the mighty fallen?

>>2879765
t.roachy chink

>>2876474
>The sail

developed indipendently by Greeks, Chinese and Polinesians

>Law

Siiiigh...

>The wheel

Siiiiiigh

>Beer


Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh...

>Battery

Ultra SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH...

>astronomy

MEGA ULTRA Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhh

>the first city


Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

>maps


Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh...

>>2872033
Except it wouldn't, that shit would take dozens of generations to naturally develop

>>2871425
that's not kraut and tea

>>2880722
>developed indipendently by Greeks

[Citation needed]

>>2880722
Never post on /his/ again

>>2881150
What?

Why?

>>2880678
Nope, cockroach kun.

>>2872033
I'm pretty sure it would take more then two generations for your descendants to evolve into having darker skin

t. Afrikaner

>>2881362
t.mehmet

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>>2881412
Why are you repeating what I said?

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>>2881424
t.mehmet
Because that's the most prominent Turk name kiddo and look back in the thread you copied me

>>2880722
pathetic

>>2881434
Nothing of what your saying makes remotely any sense at all. Stemming from >>2871634 here, showing you are intellectually deficient.

reminder that capitalism is an essential part of human civilization, with language being invented by the mesopotamians for a form of proto-capitalism

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>>2871423
>Tfw Americans bombed the cradle of civilisation back into the stone age

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>>2871423
t. mongrel