Commie Insurgencies

The communists in Malaya were a small identifiable racial minority.

The majority of citizens within the borders supported the communist insurgencies in Cuba & Vietnam, while Malaysian communists were a tiny minority.

>>2871147
>The communists in Malaya were a small identifiable racial minority.

... in a jungle. The Malay Crisis redefined the SAS and jungle warfare in-general. So much so that C Squadron, aka the Rhodies, based almost all of their operations during the Bush War off of their experience there.

The Malay Crisis is vastly misunderstood and overlooked conflict both in it's scope and in the methods used to suppress it. It was game-changing.

>>2871147

malaysian communist were just a small meme group while the ones in vietnam had an actual huge presence

>>2871283
>So much so that C Squadron, aka the Rhodies, based almost all of their operations during the Bush War off of their experience there.
Not much of an endorsement, the Rhodies sucked at COIN.
COIN has little to do with stuff like terrain anyway, its all about people.

Because the "communist insurgency" in Malaysia was just a proxy race war between ethnic Malays and the Chinese minority.

>>2871355

Rhodesians sucked at COIN? Whatever you say. Their record on the battlefield speaks for itself.

So much so that they still use Bush War tactics today in Afghanistan and teach them.

It is possible to appreciate something without being a blinded by it's faults.

>>2871147
Anglo clutching at straw

limitations and the pledge

>>2871446

Rhodesia is now called Zimbabwe

>so much so that they still use Bush War tactics today in Afghanistan and teach them.

lel

Because Malaya was created and administered by British people, and Indochina was created and administered by the French.

There are other reasons, but this is 90% of it.

t. wrote a term paper comparing the Malayan Emergency to the Vietnam War

>>2871574

Just stop. You're arguing a completely different point now and looking like a fool.

>>2871658

Let me spell it out for you then:

Rhodesia failed, and so did the war in Afghanistan. In Malaya and Kenya the Brits used concentration camps, torture and bribes before giving up and letting those countries have independence.

>>2871777

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>2871147
Because all leftist were always supporting Britain and had never done a war against it.

>>2871838
T. Assblasted Rhodie

>>2871777
>before giving up and letting those countries have independence

Nigga, independence was the centerpiece of British COIN strategy.

They wanted a government that was independent, but wasn't run by insurgents that hated them.

Independence was the mark of a British victory.

>>2871147
>Why was Britain able to defeat the commies in Malaysia while France and The USA couldn't stop them in/ could only contain them in Vietnam or Cuba?

lack of motivation. Min Yuen gave up after fewer then 7,000 killed over the course of 12 years.

Vietnamese Commies lost 1.5 million over 25 years.

Brits got their asses kicked by an actual motivated insurgency in Ireland.

>>2871777
>being this physically and mentally retarded
it failed due to political failure or impossibility not that the Rhodesians sucked at COIN. On the contrary they fucked them up instead they lost due to world wide boycott and South African abandoned them

>>2871914
>puppet "independent" regime was centerpiece of British COIN strategy
fixed.

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>>2871935
>he doesn't want to be a British puppet

Literally why

>>2871933
It's the fact that more people would join the insistence overtime though and the fact that the military was running low on men. On top of that as more men needed to be taken out of their jobs to work in the military took at toll on people's income.

>>2871918
The MCP only had 7,000 killed because they never got far enough to recruit more people.

By the time they gave up, they were a ragged bunch of hermits living in the Thai jungle and having no contact with Malaya itself, and they only gave up in 1989.

>>2871147
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>>2871896

There's nothing to be "assblasted" about. You're simply wrong and you're ill-informed or poorly read or just can't grasp what actually took place in Rhodesia or Kenya or just about any former colonial holding or protectorate. Your attitude belies your beliefs. Your beliefs are really just "feelings". Go back to /r/history on Reddit. You'll be welcomed with opened arms and closed minds.

>>2871946
Better post black district of South Africa - proud returned member of British Commonwealth.

>>2872014
He's right about COIN. It's about the people and even if Rhodesia did do well in combat it constantly fed the insurgency indirectly with people disgruntled with the government for various reasons.

>>2871949
mmm dunno I remember half the Rhodesian army was black and that they ran out of ammo essentially but your probably right too

>>2872037

And I agree with you that there were a lot of problems with and around how they handled intelligence and with people who had divided loyalties or different ideas on how the war should be waged. Certainly, that culminated with the shooting down of two Viceroy civilian airliners and the successful attack on the Salisbury fuel depot.

But that is not the sum total of COIN operations there and to say it was "bad" is not a correct assessment. It was really, really good despite certain failings and the results of that are more than evident in the trouncing they meted out almost daily.

>>2872057
They were 80% black and, by and large, made up the Shona and Matabele RAR units. They were incredibly loyal troops.

No, there was no shortage of small arms ammunition.

>Malaya commies never had more than 10,000 fighters at a time and gave up their guerilla movement after about 6,000 deaths
>Vietnam commies peaked at well over a million armed men, literally x100+ more, and continued to fight conventionally after the insurgency was stamped out and they suffered over half a million military dead

I wonder what the difference was.

>>2872057
Those guys were paid well. If funding went down or salaries took at hit they'd start to dissent.

>>2872084
The French were in charge of COIN in Indochina, and they weren't nearly as good at containing an insurgency.

They both started with a cadre of a few thousand fighters and grew from there.

Read "Learning to eat soup with a knife"
It is literally about this.

>>2871584
t. Lindybeige

>>2872303
The Chinese Malays couldn't have fielded a notable armed force even a tenth as large as what the NV managed. They literally didn't have the people or weapons for it.

Vietnam is complicated. Had the US assisted France while the country was still a colony the uprison would have no doubt been put down immediately. France was still extremely weak militarily at the time and couldn't spare the resources to properly fight the war. That's a quick and unclear generalization, but just know the fence suck. But since Vietnam became a recognized state and the Vietnam wasn't a technical or legal war but a military inteventing the US couldn't invade the north, couldn't strike enemy troops or munition depos across borders. And were not fighting a war we've ever had experience with while having one hand tied behind our back. And fucking Cuba.

>>2873357
There were like 1.5 million inside of Malaya and three times that in Thailand.

The vast, vast majority of people that potentially could have been MCP recruits didn't end up in the MCP, because the British successfully isolated and contained them.

Because Malaya wasn't a popular, nationwide insurgency like Vietnam.

>>2871918
Ulster is still British.

>>2871365
this. the eternal anglo used the tried and true divide and conquer shit thanks to the many ethnic minority in malaysia while in algeria and vietnam you have none of this shit.

>>2874854
>Ulster is Northern Ireland

>>2871918
>Brits got their asses kicked by an actual motivated insurgency in Ireland.

haha no