So let me get this straight: Communism and Marxist philosophy

communism is a fallacy, it'll never be attained
its a scheme to rail the people and use them to steal power from the ruling class
once the people put the party in power, they'll never leave

happened the same exact way in every attempt so far in human history

>>2867740
and what is the appeal ?

gullible kids, who believe that the world can be all rainbows and cotton candy, everyone is equal and friendly and no one will ever want to have more than the other

how naive someone needs to be to fall for that

they want to believe that they are working for a good cause

The problem became obscured in various ways. When speaking of Communism, most people think of the more or less Christian and monastic and always authoritarian Communism advocated in the first half of this century and practised in certain communities. These communities took the family as a model and tried to constitute "the great Communist family" to "reform man,". To this end, in addition to working in common, they imposed the living closely together like a family, as well as the isolation or separation of the colony from present civilisation. This amounted to nothing less than the total interference of all 'brothers" and "sisters" with the entire private life of each member.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/comanar.html

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>>2867740
> Where is meaning derived from?
From labor for the good of the people. Alienating is now solved and you are free to work on what really meaningful for you and your society, instead of like working like a slave from one paycheck to another. Meaning in the communist society is derived from doing meaningful things. What is a point of *being* the Superman when there is no job for Superman?

>>2867740
The end goal of communism is like a return to prehistoric tribal societies where money and private property aren't necessary. Also not all Marxists are inherently anti-religion. Many of them used it to their advantage. Warren Beatty's Reds has a good example of how Marxists used the Muslim jihad in the central republics to further their revolution.

>>2867740
>Communism and Marxist philosophy is atheistic.

What does this have to do with the rest of your post?

> in a communist society this isn't possible, undesirable or not allowed.
This is false. From each according to his ability is round about way of saying, that everyone must be Ubermensch. That is why communists support an equality of opportunities. Because when you can't become a scientist because all good education in your country is reserved for elites, that is bullshit.

>>2867740
not a proponent of Communism/Marxism, but;
those are economic frameworks, they do not cover things such as aesthetics, ethics, etc...
how to live a meaningful life is not up to communism, desu an imaginary "functional" (if it's even attainable) communist society could not be against religion so long as there is no vertical hierachy
>>2867758
>can be all rainbows and cotton candy
to be honest, the promise of communism is not everybody gets free shit, but rather everybody get what they """need""" (needs defined very broadly, vaguely) not what they want
> everyone is equal and friendly
more like, everybody is treated equally regardless of merit, right about the second one though
>no one will ever want to have more than the other
that's one of the main problems with such ideologies, people are no only concerned with absolute poverty but also, and maybe even more so, with relative poverty & competition
>they want to believe that they are working for a good cause
people promoting communism are either controlling psychos or navies do-gooders, nobody who's sane would propose the adoption of a hurtful ideology unless they were truly convince it was good

>>2867772
Nothing bad about it, an entire dialectical method is to use thesis with anti-thesis to bring a result. Even communism in theory somehow based on what capitalism created before it happens.

>>2867765
The Superman is an ideal that can never be reached, just like Christians aim to be closer to God, or better people. There's no real end game.

For communism there is one, and its shit. Or is based on incorrect assumptions of human nature.

>>2867779
He was implying without religion people would need an ideal to strive for (his example was the Ubermensch) which communism lacks.

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>>2867792
> those are economic frameworks
It is like saying that Islam is strictly theological doctrine. Marxism itself is more a system of an analysis of history than economic theory.

>>2867803
You don't need to reach an ideal, you just need to step close to it when it is possible. It's not perfect idea doesn't mean that it isn't a valuable one.
> incorrect assumptions about human nature
What assumptions are incorrect ones? In general, communistic societies tends to work on the small scale.

>>2867805
But there is clear ideal, the society where everyone does most good for society as a whole.

>>2867807
still communism is not concerned with the individual's search for meaning, search for truth, or search for beauty; it merely presents itself as a way to organize society which, proponents argue, is better in so far it oppresses humans less than existing options

>>2867803
>is based on incorrect assumptions of human nature.
I think that's the reality about communism

>>2867803
>an ideal that can never be reached
several ethic systems have ideals that cannot be reached, to have an unreachable ideal just add a desirable direction to your moral compass, not necessarily a place you can occupy 100% of the time

>>2867785
Being in ubermensch requires being better than other people, if everyone is a superman no one is a superman, you're all just men

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>>2867823
Marxism as it was actually concerned with the search for meaning and truth, it has a plenty of defined or at least declared methods.

Communism itself wasn't just fictional idea came from a vacuum, but the result of the Marxist logic applied to historical progress.

It is historical method first, weakly defined utopia second. What exactly communism must be, like even communists themselves aren't really sure to present anything workable.

>>2867826
The reality of all human thoughts.

>>2867831
> being better than other people
You can't be better than other people in everything.

>>2867848
provide a quote from a communist source which actually defines what truth, meaning, and/or beauty are supposed to be within the communist framework
your pic simply argues, correctly, Marx believed in Hegel's idea of conflicting forces moving history forward, it does not proposes a definition or worldview of what meaning is to man or how communism differs from capitalism regarding how man searches or finds meaning

>>2867893
> how communism differs from capitalism
Why should one materialistic theory differ from another one? Both are false idols used to deny Truth of The Gospels.

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>>2867893
> communist source which actually defines what truth, meaning, and/or beauty are supposed to be within the communist framework
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/

>>2867922

>An entire book of 'I think' and 'in my opinion'.

Dropped. Fuck off scum.

"If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist." - Karl Marx

>>2867983
had no reason to be
lived a pretty cozy life as a renowned intellectual wirting & teaching in an affluent capitalist society