Why did japan win Russia in 1904

Their strategy was to sit back and let the commies fuck themselves

the russian navy was a hopeless mess of mismanagement and waste/ ineptitude

the same is true of the imperial army and government by this point

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>>2863159
> commies
> 1904

>>2863159
>commies

>>2863137
it had little to do with strategy, it was:
better equipent, newer technology in naval and land arms, better logistics, literally declaring war by attacking a smaller russian fleet that traveled around the world without pause and having the whole western world on their backs.

>>2863169
>>2863171
The Soviet Council was founded 1898 you faggots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905_Russian_Revolution

>>2863194
And how exactly was it related to the Russo-Japanese war?

>>2863194
The Potemkin uprising was a small uprising in the Ukraine and was put down swiftly. It didn't affect the war's politics at all.

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>>2863210
Internal strife lessens the capacity to produce and reinforce equipment

>>2863137
They were closer to frontline, that's it, that's the whole trick

Well the Russians were way over confident but actually had a shitty outdated army while Japan was young and vigorous and had a very well trained army with the latest equipment.

>>2863137
It's a miracle they won honestly, I read about one battle where the Russians were hopelessly outnumbered by like 20 to one in some small earthen fort but the Japanese just frontal charged it...and failed so tried again...and failed so did exactly the same fucking thing another 14 times until the Russians gave up from lack of ammo

>>2863317
it's like some Japanese commanders didn't get the memo in 1917 that people don't do that anymore. European armies had better tactics in 1918, let alone WW2

>>2863181
The voyage of the russian fleet to fight japan it's one of the most funny things ever.
One anon put a green text about it that was golden.

>>2863329
>it's like some Japanese commanders didn't get the memo in 1917 that people don't do that anymore.
Yeah man it's a shame that those commanders didn't get the memo from 13 years in the future.

Russia's logistical challenge, overconfidence, poor supply, unhappy population and lacklustre leadership.
Japan had literally the opposite of all those things.

>>2863317

That "small fort" was supposedly the greatest fortress in the far east. Capturing it meant securing supplies and shipyards, and ensured stable control over Korea and subsequently Manchuria.

>>2863225
You're a big guy!

I was referencing WW2 in that they were doing this for a while and they still hadn't stopped by WW2

>>2863194
Yes but they were not big players until the end of World War 1.

Even then though they weren't big players it was the military that overthrew the tzar.

It was only when the Soviets were able to make a deal that gave them control of the military did they actually take over the country

>>2863137
1. Suprise: As is their wont (1592, 1941), the Japs pretty much attacked without warning, letting them secure Korea and get a first strike in on the Russian Pacific Fleet.
2. Supplies: Closer to the front, as someone said. The trans-siberian railway wasn't built to transport and supply an entire army.
3. Naval superiority: Better ships, better leaders, better seamen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima.
4. Public Health: Many foreign observers noted that the Japanese troops were better fed than the Russians. I can't find a source right now, but I remember reading that Japan also had universal smallpox vaccination, which Russia did not.
5. Russians are dumb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident

That being said, on land, the Japanese made many of the same mistakes that the euros would in WWI: they relied heavily on "fighting spirit" and frontal assaults on entrenched defenses. Lost a lot of men.

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>>2863137
The trans siberian railway wasn't even finished yet in 1904.

The Russians had to move their men and supply across an entire continent to the battlefield, while the Japanese were sitting right next to it.

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MIKASA UNBEATABLE
MIKASA IS MY SHIPFU

>>2863181
>better equipent, newer technology in naval and land arms, better logistics, literally declaring war by attacking a smaller russian fleet that traveled around the world without pause and having the whole western world on their backs.
Also known as a strategy.

>>2863453
This. Someone post the greentext that chronicles the voyage of the shitshow that was the Russian fleet.

>>2863137
>typical japanese sneak attack on port arthur
>russians underestimate japanese
>their shitty outnumbered ships get btfo
>land war is hopeless because the japanese can just dump troops on the mainland after a quick boatride
>russian troops and supplies have to take a train across the entire continent on a single rail line, trains can only travel in one direction at a time
>russian logistics break down
>russians get outnumbered
>japanese win

/r/ that one greentext which shows how much of an absolute joke the Russian navy was

>>2863159
Either American, /pol/ or both.
You gotta leave. Russo-Japanese war was between imperial Russia, and Japan, not soviets

To curve Russian influence in Asia and exert Japan as a world power. https://discord.gg/6VC5Unc

>>2863472
Japan kinda had poor supply too

they just managed it more properly

>>2865656
this
>"cyka nips"

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>>2863137
>Why did japan win Russia in 1904
picrelated

>>2863168
Should have been a wake up call but, wasn't loud enough.

>>2863137
To die
http://www.hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm

>>2863472
Japan had supply problems too though, and were overconfident in a different way (eg. frontal charges over and over and over because yamato damashi).

>>2863168
The St. Petersburg's fleet even lost a battle to a fucking fishing boat.

>>2863991
link?

Japan eventually had to accept a peace that wasn't as favorable as they had hoped because the tide was turning against them as the war dragged on due to Russia's immense reserves.

>>2863317
In the largest battle in history before WW1, Mukden, the Japanese creamed the Russians despite being outnumbered and outgunned.

>>2866153
Holy jesus that expedition was so fucked

>>2863137
>sea
Superior technology and numbers. Effective use of little torpedo boats to wreck huge destroyers. Nips were the first to effectively utilize radios in naval combat. Also had better guns.
>land
Superior nippon fanaticism as well as a high command that wasn't infighting and an army that didn't consist of malnourished peasants.

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how accurate is this?

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>>2866650
It really was that bad.

The battle itself was too. Ratio of tonnage sunk was 280:1.

>letting your fleet get sunk in port by ground based artillery
JUST

>>2863137
Their girls were qt and the ruskys surrendered to the qtness

>>2866260
>>2866650

Naval Legends: Battle of Tsushima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Gy8-vT4-8
I didn't know the battle was so one-sided.

>>2867596
>exhausted fleet of ships built around extremely questionable principles vs a fleet operating near its home bases, has ships that are somewhat more soundly designed and outnumbers them 2 to 1