/his/ suffering chart

>>2858296
What is that at 100, 100?

>>2858300
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST

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Place Riego at 100,100 you fucking mason

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>70,75
>Charlie
Why? He was a pure soul

Solzhenitsyn anywhere on there?

>>2858296

The Two Princes Edward and Richard, 10,30 position

>>2858309
Seriously, /ourguy/ did nothing wrong

Place him at that blank spot at 20, 65

>>2858309
Seconded, it's not his fault that his parents were more related than siblings. Plus he tried to end the Inquisition.

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>>2858347

Meant to add the picture

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35,100

>>2858300
they didnt deserve it

>>2858687
t. Hannibal

Marc Antony at 40, 45
Cicero at 35, 75

>>2858296
I thought we said no countries, just individuals?

>>2858296
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_D%C3%B3zsa
I'd say he's at x = 45, y = 100.

>>2858296
I don't agree with some of these. I'm only somewhat knowledgeable of English history.

I believe Henry VIII should be moved up on the suffering level. He did suffer quite a lot.

Moral tummorial believe that God was punishing him for taking his brother's wife. Yes he was quite twisted and threw away people like they weren't much anything during his later life. But he was plagued by the thought he was being punished he also had some fucked up leg.

I think by the looks of it, it is Elizabeth 1 at 30/25 why did she deserve suffering and only 3 places behind her Father.

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>>2858307
Unless you explain why, that's as much as I can put him.
>>2858309
True, but do you have a better suggestion at this point?
>>2858347
Only 30 on suffering seems too low for them. Besides there's not much space for your spot.
>>2858378
>>2858616
>>2858880
>>2858887
Countries are mostly meme choices and also the only things that seem to fill the top-right corner.
>>2858912
Check 30,100.

>>2858336
(15, 80) He was actually my suggestion.

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>>2859030
If she's not up there, Marie Antoinette (80, 90).

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(15, 65)

>>2859217
Nevermind it got taken, instead do (35, 85) for /ourguy/ larry

40,75
Imperial Germany.

>>2859217
>>2859229
Fucking traitor cuck fighting for enemy of his nation.

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>>2858296
Radola Gajda
suffering 80
deserved it 15
Put Jewytsin instead of Tojo

>>2859274
>using cuck
go back
He kept up the fight against communism regardless of what side he was one

>>2859289
not an excuse
Not to mention most NVA were more nationalistic than communist
>>2859286
Gajda here fought communism his entire life and did not cucked himself by joining Hitler and betraying his nation.

Finally it is back

Varg Vikernes, 40, 15.

>>2859289
He's right though. The guy fought for the Nazis and killed civilian Vietnamese in a pointless conflict.

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(55, 10)

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>>2858296
>>2859286
filling 65, 15 with Gajda would be good too

>>2858296
>Jesus
>100

Thousands of people have been crucified and it doesn't even rank up there as one of the most excruciating ways to die.

>>2859030

What do you mean though there isn't much space for my spot? I don't understand, aren't we filling in the chart?

Also if its too low, perhaps bump it up to 70 suffering 40 deserving?

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Balthasar Gerard at 100 up, 65 across. Assassinated William I of Orange in 1584.

>At his trial, Gérard was sentenced to be brutally – even by the standards of that time – killed. The magistrates decreed that the right hand of Gérard should be burned off with a red-hot iron, that his flesh should be torn from his bones with pincers in six different places, that he should be quartered and disemboweled alive, his heart torn from his bosom and flung in his face, and that, finally, his head should be taken off.

>>2859346
Yes but it's about suffering and his whole life was pretty much suffering at the hands of nonbelievers and pagans. He was also literally to hell and back.

>>2858296
So...what exactly did Latvia and Lithuania do to deserve suffering as much as GENGHIS FUCKING KHAN? Seriously what did we do?

>>2859379
Shit up this thread.

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>>2858989
Please add the coordinates to these guys so I can move them right.
>>2859130
Already there somewhere.
>>2859244
>>2859286
That's as much as I can fit him now.
>>2859318
>>2859337

Please consider the taken spots and if the historical figure is already on the chart, Anons.

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>Scholasticus then introduces Hypatia, the female philosopher of Alexandria and the woman who became a target of the Christian anger that was inflamed during the feud. She was the daughter of Theon and a teacher trained in the philosophical schools of Plato and Plotinus. She was admired by most for her dignity and virtue. Scholasticus writes that Hypatia ultimately fell "victim to the political jealousy which at the time prevailed". Orestes was known to seek her counsel, and a rumor spread among the Christian community of Alexandria blaming her for Orestes's unwillingness to reconcile with Cyril. A mob of Christians gathered, led by a reader (i.e., a minor cleric) named Peter, whom Scholasticus calls a fanatic. They kidnapped Hypatia on her way home and took her to the "Church called Caesareum. They then completely stripped her, and then murdered her with tiles." Socrates Scholasticus was interpreted as saying that, while she was still alive, Hypatia's flesh was torn off ὀστράkοις, which literally means "with or by oyster shells, potsherds or roof tiles".[29] Afterward, the men proceeded to mutilate her and, finally, burn her limbs.

15,65.

>>2859379
>we
Way to out yourself, Baltic.

>>2859394

Is Huey Long on here?

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>>2859394
thanks OP

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Hans Staden (35, 90)

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“For me to live is Christ; to die is gain,” says Paul (Phil 1:21)

Felicitas (101 – 162)
Her life is celebrated on November 23 by both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches. She and her seven sons were all martyred in Rome. Her tremendous conversion efforts were noticed by the pagan priests who then notified the Emperor. Before being martyred, she witnessed the death of each of her sons. The authorities gave her the opportunity to recant her witness after each son’s death, but she refused.

>>2858296
John Green belongs at 0, Inifinity

>>2859485
So he doesn't deserve suffering but he has an infinite amount of suffering?

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>>2859346
You don't acknowledge the sacrifice that was his whole life. Also, he's literally divinely pure and didn't deserve any of his suffering.
>>2859370
>>2859404
wew
>>2859439
>>2859453
At least you explained it. I'll put her in 40,85.

Guys, we need to focus on the minor cheeky historical cunts and those who influenced history almost as much as they suffered in life. No more historical victims or historical assholes for now.

>>2859412
Well since he might as well put Estonia there too, it ain't like they had suffered less

>>2858709
t. Scipio

>>2859524
Who is the guy to the left of Extreme Radiation Sickness Man?

Where would you guys rate Cesare Boriga?

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>>2859524
I'd put Carl Gustaf Mannerheim at 25, 15. He was a Finnish Military commander and a statesman. He was part of the Tsarist military until Finland declared its independence and fought against the communist forces in the Finnish civil war and won. He was the commander-in-chief during the Winter and continuation war and was the president of Finland till 1946 when he died.

>>2859555
Pchu I

>>2859619
>president of Finland till 1946 when he died
dank meme

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>>2859524
Ian Smith (30, 25).

>>2859630
damn it, I should have double checked. He didn't die in 1946 but in 1951

>>2858296
Bless you for putting Jesus in the upper left corner, but now add a column to the left of your first numbered "How Much They Deserved It" column for "0".

Thank you.

That cozy AngloAmerican bottom center feel.

>>2859653
Jesus should be in the box marked 100 as he is our metric of suffering.

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Chiang Kai Shek
(55, 15)

>>2859678
>Jesus should be in the box marked 100 as he is our metric of suffering.
So, how many millichrists do you suffer daily?

I'm just glad to see this thread.
I thought the OP gave up.

>>2859746
I suffer around 14 centichrists every single day.

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>>2859619
>>2859633
>>2859742

Keep going, /his/.

>>2859840
Oh God, it's almost 1 Cromwell daily! Some don't suffer that much their whole life.

>>2860278
John of Austria
40,95

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Victor Emmanuel III
50 suffering for being a severe manlet who saw his country ruined and died in exile, 60 deserved it because it was his own damn fault

>>2860278
Put Corneliu Zelea Codreanu at 55 up, 45 down. (if you haven't added him already)

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>>2860278
Move Mother Theresa to x: 25, her being a sicko is a fucking awful meme.

Instead, put Józef Piłsudski on her place (x: 35; y:20)

I guess he was pretty comfy, with taking part in regaining independence for Poland and doing whatever the hell he wants during the 2nd republic. On the other hand, he took part in a few terrorist attacks back in 1900s'; honestly, I'd put him a bit more to the right if I could, but then he wouldn't be in the same line as Casimir the Great.

>>2860491
This guy, Frederick II and others. Why do you post people who were influential figures in their countries and had a fairly normal death then put them in the middle of the chart as if they suffered anything?

How did JFK suffer? Seems like a bullet through the skull you don't even expect is pretty painless.

>>2860497
There are also Casimir, Descartes, Kim il Sung and Sargon on y: 20, what's your point?

My pick is actually justified pretty well. For a good part of his life he had to fight for the forces occupying his homeland; and when it finally gained independence, he was stuck, looking at absolutely abhorrent government for almost a decade, before he took them down with a coup.

>>2860514
He was by far the most sickly president suffering from constant back pain and drug addiction. He was a wreck and would've died a young man anyway.

>>2860517
Then his gang ruined the country after he died. Not that things were perfect while he was alive.

>>2860517
Oh, forgot about Cadorna and Hötzendorf. If they can be at 20 suffering, then the other guys I've mentioned should be put even higher
(that would be too problematic, though).

>>2860524
Well, it wasn't THAT bad. I wouldn't say ruin, rather - they went too far with a few things, and were fucking blind with other.

>>2858309
>ywn protect his smile
JDIMSA

Who's the yelling guy at (40,60)?

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>>2860278
Why are we using a picture of Ali to represent Muhammad?

Why not use Muhammad's seal? pic related

>>2860278
Robespierre should be at 70, 85 because what he did was indisputably bad (mass execution) and he was murdered like Leon yet I'd argue Robespierre deserved it more than Trotsky

>>2860620
>>2860278
woops I meant 85, 70 x,y

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Suleiman the Magnificent 30x,10y

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>>2860401
>>2860417
>>2860450
>>2860491
>>2860552
>>2860620

Added Israel as a nation to fill space. By the looks of it, it was forced and painful to everyone involved in creating it, also including the people who live in there. Don't take it too seriously though. If better propositions appear, I'll swap the countries with them.

>>2859746
I don't think we could measure our suffering to Jesus', because of many factors.

The easiest factor is we have human limits, and He did not. He could suffer infinitely. And likely did.

I saw Anon above say many people were crucified, and this is indisputable.

What is in question is suffering, not physical suffering, but total suffering.

>>2860708
Palestinians probably fit better there desu

>>2860708
>George w bush
>deserved:45
explain this

>>2858296
>jesus at the top left
& humanities strikes again

So many people bitching about where Christ is but offering no alternatives or anything else constructive.

Bobby Sands at 50, 50. A terrorist who starved himself to death.

>>2860278
>chiang kai shek at 25,95 and 55,15

make up your mind anon

put lord shang at 25,10

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(30,85)

Prevented communism from entering Japan.

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>>2860964
>Prevented communism from entering Japan.
more like (30,-100)

>>2860708
Albert Fish
(95,35)

Why is Carthage 100 deserving? Rome at war was way more evil and they're not even 75. Forget the sacrifice rumors, look at the big picture of nations if you're going to include them.

>>2861107
>sacrifice """rumors"""
Fool. Those are real as the sun.

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>>2860695
>>2860768
>>2860725
>>2860943
>using contradicting coordinates on the same sentence
>>2860964
Most I could fit him.
>>2861082
>>2861107
Rome isn't in the chart yet. Also, Catharge's rituals were shitty, their war practices were apparently shitty too and according to Anon, their destruction was totally deserved.

Keep posting suggestions, lads. I'll come back soon enough to use every single one.

>>2861200
Yukio Mishima at 65,85

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50,75
Testicles crushed at Nuremberg, murdered and then burned by French communists.
Had a penchant for using incendiary ammo on wood and straw villages and may or may not have been responsible Malmedy.

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>>2861200

Huey Long

25 Suffering, 50 deserved

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>>2861200
40,70

>>2861487
More like (75, 75). He killed defenseless American POWs by shooting them in the back.

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Idris of Libya
(45, 25)

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Yvonne Fletcher
(40, 70)

>>2862333
Oh wait that's taken. (45, 65)

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Mao Anyang (Suffering 65 Dersevred 55)

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Ali Hassan Salameh
(75, 80)

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>tfw died 2 years too late to be considered /his/

Today is Pilecki's 69th death anniversary. He was in Auschwitz and tortured and murdered by Soviets and they talk about making him like a saint or something so all the best squares for him are taken so I'll take the lowest "Deserve" available.

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>>2862736
Fuck here's the pic.

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Fritz Haber at 55, 15
Pretty much the father of chemical warfare

>>2862733
Screw it, put him on there. I'm pretty sure if the current POTUS can be on there, Cobain can.

>>2858296
Qin Shi Huangdi at (95,40)

>>2863429
Suffering should be more than 40 because poisoning by mercury is pretty bad.

>marx in that corner

You're all stupid

>>2861507
Huey Long did nothing wrong.

>>2863373
20 (suffered) and 30 (deserved) it is then. Maybe a bit inacurrate (even if an heroing while you have an infant daughter is pretty weak imo) but other spots are taken.

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It's a bit unorthodox, but the entire Russian Baltic Fleet (Russo-Japanese War) at 80,100.

Poor bastards steamed 18,000 miles choking on coal dust only to get utterly annihilated and embarrassed in the most lopsided battle in naval history.

They deserved it because they were incompetent and attacked innocent British fishing trawlers that they mistook for Japanese torpedo boats (in the North Sea).

>>2863866
>eternal anglo
>ever being innocent

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Why is this not at 100,100?

>>2858296
Giles Corey and the other Salem victims deserve to be as close to upper left as you can fit them in.

>>2864610
And seconds after I write that I now see he is already there. Nevermind.

Should Moot be included, just out of loyalty and all that? 10 up, 55 across?

Also, is George Wallace in there? Wedge him in there next to Rasputin.

>>2858296
John McCain at 75/35.

>>2864642
Wallace is at 55, 40.

Why is young Trump 30,40?

>>2858296
Put me in top left please

>>2858296
Is Carthage at top right just a meme or did they do anything to warrant being there?

Genuinely curious.

>>2864764
Sort of a meme. You know, as Cato said
>CARTHAGO·DELENDA·EST
And it was indeed destroyed, but more because the Carthaginians were a big adversary to the Romans in the Mediterranean than anything else. They controlled much of the trade and were militarily capable of duking it out with Rome. Not to mention, they invaded Sicily a bunch of times. The worst thing they did, was ritual human sacrifice through burning to their goddess Tanit. She is the figure with the raised hands under the eye in the picture.

>>2860552
Mohammad from South Park would be better.

>>2860768

No one else matters.

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Darius III (100, 35)

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Michael Collins? Suppose waging a war of independence against an imperial power with a 800 year track record of oppression is bad now.

Also, 25,10 Basil II Bulgaroktonos (you dont get the name the Bulgar Slayer for no reason) if he's not on there already.

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(90,80) Shang Yang

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Syngman "the hitman" Rhee at 80 deserved, 50 suffering

Switch Pizarro (S:75 D:60) and Monetzuma (S: 45 D:80)

>>2866055
Actually, that's probably a bit too harsh on Pizarro. Instead, leave him where he is, and juist move Montezuma to S:80, D: 60

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George Lincoln Rockwell
70, 40

>>2858296
Wu Zetian's not on there?
Give her that spot in (85,35) -- suffering shouldn't be that high but she did a lot to deserve it.

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45, 100

>>2861200
>Vlad Tepes
>deserving suffering
filthy Hungarian lies

>>2858296
Sargon did nothing wrong

>>2866262
Shouldn't have hit on the white woman
Deserved it a lot more than 45

>>2861200
Move Göring over to 85,45. He did a lot more that Speer in terms of genocide, war crimes and destroying German and Britain.

Freud (20,10)
Jacques de Molay (55, 70)

>>2861200
Nichiren
(30, 5)

>>2861200
>Luther 'deserving' suffering

Which edgy Romanist made this?

Also, William Tyndale should be added to 40,70

>>2866655
Correction, didn't spot him at 40,90

Still, Luther shouldn't be so far along the X axis

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>>2861200
15 55 King Milan of Serbia

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>>2858296
Is Hussein bin Ali there?

>Son if Muhammad's daughter
>Set off to confront the Heir of Muawiya so he can prevent the extinction of the Proto democracy and to prevent dynastic Caliphates
>Sets off with his unarmed family members
>Stopped on the way by an army of 4,000
>After 7 days the water is cut off
>Takes out his infant grandson to the Battle field to ask the Umayyads for some water
>They shoot the child dead
>Him and his 72 male family members fight to the death
>The survivors are taken as captives to the Caliph in Damascus
>Proto Democratic Caliphates are replaced by corrupt hedonistic Dynasties

>>2866678
>>2861200
Suffering, 100
Deserved, 30

>>2866678
>Son if Muhammad's daughter
Isn't it easier to say Muhammad's grandson?

>>2866687
Oh wait. Sorry. I'm still not clear how family relations work in english. Where I live there are separate words for the children of daughters and the children of sons

>>2866714
Interesting, Arab?
I'm a Slav, and in Slavic languages there are lots of specific words that in English fall under cousin, aunt/uncle and in-law.

>>2866721
No, I'm Pakistani

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>>2861328
>>2861487
>>2861507
>>2862253
>>2862327
>>2862333
>>2862335
>>2862393
>>2862729
>>2863820
>>2862736
Ok
>>2863356
>>2863429
Already there.
>>2863482
>not even suggesting any changes
>>2863866
>>2864540
>they didn't suffer enough
>>2864642
If /a/ won't do it, then we will.
>>2864654
no space at all
>>2864744
More difficult for people to recognize him and get angry over it.
>>2865121
no space
>>2865306
>>2865372
>>2866019
>>2866083
>>2866185
>>2866187
>>2866262
>>2866378
>>2866516
>>2866522
>>2866668
no space
>>2866686
That's as much as I could fit him.

Keep going /his/, I'll be right back soon.

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>>2866804
95 45 Dragoljub Draza Mihailovic

>>2866817
>long ago when i was a child
>i found in the closet
>hidden in the linens
>an old picture gone yellow
>grandpa saw me as i was secretly looking at it
>i ask hem: "grandpa who is this bearded man?"
>my boy, that's uncle draza
>said grandpa with a sad face
>believe your grandpa, he wasn't a villain and traitor
>he didn't want a 5 pointed star
>he didn't give up on his patron saint
>he loved his king
>and he gave his head for that
>he was a great serb
>and that's why they killed him
>believe your grandpa my boy
>communists are lying to us
>my grandpa is now gone
>the communists will one day be gone too
>on the wall in my room that picture now hangs

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>>2866804
Soren Kierkegaard

5 suffering, 35 deserved unless you can think of a better spot.

>>2866804
Who is (5, 90)?

>>2866899
Elephant Man

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(15,65)

>>2866804
Is Nicky anywhere? I think i saw the Romanov coat of arms?

>>2866804
55 100 The eternal Hapsburg

>>2867349
(30, 95)

>>2866804
>No space
A different anon here but I think if the person makes a good case for the person they are trying to replace then it should be considered.
To make it more accurate than a first come first serve way

>>2867395
Not him but most would consider the child rapist and murderer, Gilles De Rais as more deserving of 100, 35 than Darius who was a standard Persian Emperor.

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The actual Ivan the Terrible at 45, 70.

>>2867420
I think you mean 45 65, 70 is unfortunately taken

>>2867426
No, 45 on the x axis, 70 on the y.

>>2867438
Oh, yeah... I was not looking at it mathematically, rather suffering/deserved

>>2866655
>thirty years war happened because of him
He deserved it.

>>2867420
He's already at (90,95) but doesn't have an image for some reason.

>>2866817
Deserved it 45
Suffering 95

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I didn't see him there

suffering: 40
deserving: 95

>>2858296
Marx should be near the center. The dude was kicked out of his home repeatedly, couldn't feed his kids, and was sick all the time.

>>2867505
That entry at 90, 95 refers to a notoriously sadistic guard at Treblinka.

>>2867540
>he's guilty of ww1
It's the most historically illiterate statement one can make.

>>2867557
Not that guy, but while I don't think any reasonable person puts the blame squarely on Princip's shoulders, the assassination did directly lead to the July Crisis and the war.

>>2866804
>Imperial Germany at (60,100)

>Russia at (80,100)

>>2866817
>>2867516
>>2866860
>>2867334
no space sorry
>>2867351
>>2867420
>>2867540
>posting a image that fits perfectly on the slot
You're the best contributor that has ever graced this chart.

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>>2867609
fuck forgot pic

>>2867612
Why 35,35 and 40, 45 repeated

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>>2867612
Deserved (75)
Suffered (65)

Mullah Omar
>Simple teacher at the local mosque
>Two of his young students were kidnapped and raped by Afghan Generals
>Leads an attack on the military base and hangs the rapist by a tank barrel
>Two of his village girls were raped shortly after and the rapists met a similar end
>Defended Afghanistan from the Soviets from 1978-1988
>Eventually launched the Taliban Movement (Students Movement)
>Had three goals (Disarm the population, Establish an Islamic Government and restoring peace to Afghanistan)
>Established the state in 1996
>Saw his dream and peace crumble with the American invasion in 2001

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>>2867612
>>2867612
>>2867612
Suffering (40)
Deserved (85)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed
>Islamic scholar who became quite popular in India
>Decided to found his own spin off cult
>Claims that he is the Mahdi and the Messiah
>Said that the The Western Empires were the One Eyed Anti Christ
>Claimed that Jesus was taken off the cross and died in Kashmir
>Claimed that his Tafsir (Commentry of the Quran) was revealed by Allah
>Refused to debate with those who opposed him nor prove his claim
>Died of Dysentery

>>2859379
We both know what we did, we were the starting point of the commies in russian empire.

>>2867544
That would imply he didn't cause suffering though.

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>>2867612
Pancho Villa
Deserved : 75
Suffering: 30

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>>2867612
Remove the wikipedia article Ivan the terrible from 90, 95 since you apparently have him at 45, 70. Also my suggestion is Roman von Ungern-Sternberg at 65, 50.
>Carry out near suicidal attacks during WW1 constantly into German rear positions
>Organize an army under your own banner during the Russian civil war against the communists
>Worshiped an obscure buddhist war god
>Believed he was the reincarnation of Genghis Khan
>Attacked Chinese forces occupying Mongolia and drove them off
>Tried to lead another suicidal charge against the communist forces in Russia but his own men handed him to the communists and he gets executed

>>2867871
Two different guys.

>>2858880
why the fuck does cicero deserve to suffer at all what the fuck

>>2868056
Because he was a pansy with the backbone of a beansprout who autistically imagined himself as the savior of the Republic when he was simply an exceptional lawyer and orator.

>>2858296
Galileii deserved his suffering much more than this graph implies. I'd put him at about 45

>>2867569
Man, he's not Hitler/Jap/Enver/Mao/Stalin/Causescu/Pavelic tier
Might as well slap Lee Harvey Oswald there
What he did wasn't right, but please, put him somewhere closer to 60/70, not 95
Fucking Willy is at 80 and Hotzendorf at 75

>>2867795
*70, 30
The open space.

Just learned yesterday how Kublai watched everyone he loved and grew up with die and had no old comrades to comfort him on his deathbed. It made me sad af.

>Lawrence of Arabia
>45 deserved it

But he was a good guy, he was pissed off with how the British and French backstabbed everyone in the Middle East and drew up the meme borders ensuring the region would be fucked for decades to come.

They basically ignored everything he had to say and said "You've done your job now go away"

>>2867540
>>2868146
I agree, move him at least to 55 suffering, 70 deserved, just behind Hotzendorf and in the same rank as Luigi

>>2867612
Move Goering from 55,35 to 70,35

>pope franku deserves as much sufffering as dubya

>>2868076
and why do you think that?

>>2868280
He is at the for front in destruction of the last tenants of the traditions and mythologies that have sustained the western world for 1700 years.

Speaking of such, Pope John XXIII, 5,45 (Benedict and moot would have to be pushed back one each).

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Koos de La Rey, 50, 55

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>>2867658
>Taliban
>Dream of peace
People are peaceful once you've killed off your opposition, I'll give you that.

>>2866055
>>2866083
>>2866804
I would actually go further and move Montezuma even less into deserved.

The Aztec's were expansionist assholes and their religion was shit, but name a single emperor that existed before the modern era that wasn't an expansionist asshole anyways. As an indivual, Montezuma II wasn't really a particularly bad or cruel leader by mesoamerican or even european standards.

Keep him at 80 suffering (seeing your entire way of life, people, and city crumble due to people from across the sea you had never even heard of, and being stoned to death by your own people by accident), but move him to 50 deserved. Or even 90 suffering, 45 deserved.

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What the fuck is this supposed to be?

>>2868206
The borders aren't what fucked the people of the Middle East up, it was the discovery of Oil which prompted the policy of regime change to be used by both sides

>>2868430
native americans I guess

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>>2868446
>native americans
>75 deserved

That'd be retarded

Maybe it's meant to be Aztecs, but 75 deserved when fucking Gadaffi and Kim-Jong Un are only in the 50's and 60's for deserved is absurd, and it's not an aztec symbol at all, if you want a symbol or flag for the Aztecs/Mexica, then you should use pic related.

I think where Montezuma is, including the edit suggested in >>2868412, works well to also represent the Aztecs in general, so if the spot is meant to br the aztecs, i'd just open it up to be filled by somebody else

>>2868191
Check out Belgutei then.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgutei
>According to legend, Belgutei lived to an unusually old age.Rashid ad-Dinclaims he died at the age of 110, while theYuanshireports that he was still alive whenMongke Khantook the throne in 1251, making him around 100, which would make him one of the oldest men on the earth, a fact made even more difficult due to the average life span of people during the time.

If we're gonna include countries Estonia ought to be put somewhere with undeserved suffering. Got shat on by imperialists for a long time and dindo nuffin.

>>2868490
I mean, at least when he died there were still some proper Mongol warriors around, y'know? Still, lasting until Mongkë is pretty impressive.

>>2867609
>You're the best contributor that has ever graced this chart.
Lel, I helped with /tv/'s so I know the pain.

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>>2867638
I fucked up.
>>2867658
He doesn't seem to deserve much by what you said though.
>>2867731
>>2867795
>>2867871
>>2868083
No space for that, though.
>>2868213
>>2868354
>>2868412
That's as much as I can fit him.
>>2868475
No aztecs civilization representation, then.
>>2868584
I would, but there's no space.
>>2868837
Wait, what? /tv/ made a chart?

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>>2869007
yup

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>>2858296
Gaddafi at top left (unironically)

>>2868056
He was a vigilantist, snobbish edgelord who went against the current at every turn "for da rabublig", unlawfully executed 5 citizens, and made every ruler hate him because OF COURSE he had to stand up to authority to preserve what his divine position and system stood for in his mind. Nevermind he failed miserably and had to submit with his tail between his legs, or scram, until they caught him and killed him the way they did.

>>2869126
Holy FUCK
Are the threads still archived?
I can't believe I missed that shit.

>>2869137
>Fund any terrorist group who asks you for money
>Stick your dick in global affairs and fuck things up
>Be the big name in terrorism for the late 20th century
>Not deserving it

>>2869251
>>>/tv/83197876
each one links to the previous thread in the OP

>>2869126
Thor Gunderson is the most legitimate villain I've seen in a TV show in a long time.

>>2869007
Is Hirohito already here?

>>2869007
>Wait, what? /tv/ made a chart?
/tv/ and /co/ are done with theirs, /a/ /his/ /v/ are still doing one. I hope you guys finish before /v/

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95,40

>>2858296
So why isn't Hitler at 100, 100? He's literally the most evil man to ever walk the earth.

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>>2869777

>>2869777
I wouldn't be opposed to him being in 100 deserve, but he didn't suffer enough to justify 100 suffering

>>2858296
i understand carthage being 100S, but why 100D? they did nothing wrong, it was Rome's fault

>>2869126
Some of those are really debatable.
>Samurai Jack deserves 65 suffering
>Alex Delarge got 95 suffering despite being cured at the end

>>2869794
>>Samurai Jack deserves 65 suffering
he literally killed everyone in the future and denied their existence, he deserved it

>>2858296
This shit is awful, remake it.

who's 100 - 100 ?
also hitler did nothing wrong

>>2869805
Carthage

>>2861189
Maybe. Either way, look at the big picture of the ancient world. They really aren't that evil.

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>>2869007
>Mary at 85 suffering
>Khan at 90 suffering
>Puyi at 100 suffering
>Jeb! and Socrates in the same row
>Allende and Tito were worse than Genghis Khan
>Kierkegaard at 0 suffering
>Marx was worse than Kim Jong-Il
>Anne Frank at 55 suffering
>Robespierre was worse than Osama bin-Laden
>Ivan the Terrible in two different places
What did you mean by this, /his/?

>>2869885
Ivan the Terrible refers to two people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_(Treblinka_guard)

>>2869007
Suffering (45)
Deserved (40)
Muhammad Ali Jinnah
>Son of an Indian business man
>Studies law in London
>Returns to India
>Joins the Congress Party and rallies for Hindu Muslim Unity
>Also joins the Muslim League to do this
>Alienated by Mitilal Nehru and Gandhi by 1927 and leaves Congress
>When Congress and Gandhi refuse to acknowledge Muslim rights
>He calls for a separate state in 1940
>Gives speeches and leads protests for 7 years while suffering from Tuberclosis
>Both his first and second wife die during this
>Gets a separate nation, Pakistan
>Is given a measly state tiny state
>"A moth eaten Pakistan"
>Becomes Governer General
>Leads Pakistan in a war against India from 1947-1948 while being at death's door
>Dies due to lack of an ambulance or care

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Ben Shapiro
Deserved: 65
Suffered: 35

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>>2870019
Here's the pic

>>2870113
Not /his/

Waiting for the finished product.

>>2869885
This has been going on for a while. You could have been contributing.

>>2869798
He saved trillions from centuries of Aku. It's what they wanted, otherwise they wouldn't have helped him try to find a way back.

Is there any way you can put the names of each person next to the chart for historical illiterates like myself

what is alberto barbosa representing

>>2858296
Holy shit. What a meme chart

>>2870841
You should be able to identify every last one of them easily.

If not, then fuck off and read a book

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>>2869007

George S. Patton, 5 Suffering 40 deserved

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>>2869137
Gonna need your rating. I'm also going with >>2869262 anon's opinion for now.
>>2869409
Probably not.
>>2869612
>>2870019
>>2870113
>>2870243
>&humanities
>>2870841
It would be nice, but we need to finish it first.
>>2870864
Thanks.
>>2871377

We need more suggestions.

>>2871590
Bismarck at 100 suffering, 75 deserved

>>2871590
Can you put the entire family of Nicholas II at 95, 70

https://discord.gg/pBrDwR

whos at 5,5?

>>2871835
Diogenes

>>2871590
Aren't there 2 Ivan The Terribles here?

>>2871905
One of them is some guard from Birkenau iirc, and the other one is too low on the deserving axis. He should be moved to x: 75.

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Where does Saladin fit on this?

>>2869007
>>2867540

Gavrilo prinčip belongs at 95/80

>Palestine (80,100)
Why do they have 80 deserving?

>>2871964
If you want to up him in suffering fine, to die in prison from tuberculosis in horrible conditions in one's early 20s is pretty grim, but i think 70 is more than enough

>>2871916
Why? Aside from having an awful temper, why was Tsar Ivan so terrible?

>>2872126
Bad temper is quite an understatement for someone who killed his heir and, in a long run, ruined his country. Perhaps he deserves less suffering than that, but we are lacking spaces and it would be hard not to overestimate one figure without undermining the other. Perhaps (x: 75, y: 70) would be more appropriate?

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>>2871590

Mansa Musa I, 35 suffering, 50 deserved

>>2871643
Maybe not that high but I agree that Bismarck deserved it more for Kulturkampf which targeted every non-German nationality in the country with the intent of destroyinf it. Those who post him because of muh iron and blood don't know that though.

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>>2871590
Let's finish this.
Mad Mike Hoare at 40,50

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>>2872589
Lawrence Oates at 80,50.
If you don't know who he is he suffered a long painful death in the polar regions because of his old war wound.

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>>2872595
If I make a mistake and post someone already on the chart tell me.
Roland Freisler, Hitler's hanging judge at 55,75.

>>2872597
I mean 75, 55.

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>>2872600
If Pablo isn't there yet he deserves 75, 80.

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>>2872606
I can't see Felix Dzerzhinsky. 55,85.

>>2860725
>Israel and Palestine have to fight over the same coordinate

>>2871590
>The jews are touching the nazis

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>>2872611
No Himmler? 45, 90.

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>>2872621
Jack the Ripper. I'm tempted to post Aaron Kosminski but officially his identity is unknown so instead I chose the famous "nemesis of neglect" drawing. 45,85. Kosminski ended in an asylum and even if it wasn't him the killings stopped for a reason.

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>>2872633
Timothy McVeigh. 45,65. Any objections?

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>>2872638
Ed Gein.
55,100. Nuff said.

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>>2872644
Vasily Blokhin.
If you ever wondered who killed the most people. As in personally killed. That was him. He also died like a dog but he might've been purged.
80,100

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>>2872648
Genrikh Yagoda. His boss. 12 million souls.
60, 100

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>>2872657
Fuck it. Let's have a Soviet hat trick. Nikolai Yezhov. I think it was him who suffered a super brutal torture and death or maybe that was someone else. I don't know where to put him because I'm tempted to give him a 100 as well.
65, 100? Unless people don't like Soviet-dominated 100.

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>>2872673
To balance it out here's Charles Dickens. He was a piece of shit. 65, 60.

>>2858296
what about Roosevelt I don't see him on here he did suffer quite a bit from losing his wife and mother on valentines quite rough.
I'd say (25,10)?

>>2872682
Both Roosevelts are here. Both deserved more honestly. Not the best people and ruined quite a lot during their careers.

>>2872691
I suppose is JFK on here? I think he should have high suffering and lowish deserving I mean his whole family family killed and targeted and he did try to do many helpful things to america and I believe he was one of the best US presidents and could have been the best had he more time.

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>>2872679
Blackbeard I guess? 70, 75. Shit I'm so tired. I wouldn't mind of someone else took over for a while. I hate that the countries are there but at least there's less work to do.

>>2858296
who the fuck is the guy at (5,5)? I've seen him before and want to know who he is.

>>2872717
Diogenes. Nobody asks 95, 100. Is that the snake from Eden or what? I was thinking about putting animals but the entire row of least deserving would belong to them.

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Leopold II of Belgium not sure where

>>2872725
yeah I think so, shouldn't it technically be (100,100)

>>2872725
also wtf is that at (100,100)

>>2872734
high suffering and low deserve, he was a good king for belgium

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Emperor Julian the philosopher/apostate

Entire family killed as a kid. Raise by priests and eunuchs alone and no friends. Grows up worrying he will be killed constantly.

Accidentally becomes emperor for 2 years. Introduces reasonable reforms to stop christians fucking burning and destroying shit all the time. Tries to preserve the Hellenistic way. Makes his own pagan sun religion. Dies in Persia possibly poisoned by angry christians.

35 deserve (made enemies in full knowledge of what he was doing)
75 suffering (pretty fucked up life foisted on him from a super young age and killed at 30 something after 2 years as emperor)

>>2872747
It's Carthage

>>2872775
That's a pretty tainted history of Julian.

He wasn't some super chill dude that introduced reforms for the purpose of 'stopping Christians from burning and destroying shit all the time'. He was a radical, traditionalist Pagan that actively campaigned against the Christians on a philosophical, political, and theological level.

I think Loeb puts out a few of the remnants we have of his writings w/an English facing translation. Pick it up.

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>>2871643
See 20,45.
>>2871769
I'd want a explanation for that.
>>2871905
well, I'll just add the tremblika guard part now
>>2871916
>>2872503
>>2872589
Thanks for the actual suggestions by the way, Anon.
>>2872595
>>2872597
>>2872606
>>2872611
>>2872612
kek.
>>2872621
>>2872633
>>2872638
>>2872644
I feel like he's already on the chart somewhere.
>>2872648
>>2872657
>>2872673
Nah, everyone here hates soviets.
>>2872679
>>2872707
The countries are mostly memes, don't bother with them.
>>2872725
Satan in his snake form. He took Eve's original spot.
>>2872739
He still deserved more than he suffered though. It will only get even after the apocalypse.
>>2872775
Tried to fit him as much as I could, also considering what >>2872798 said.

Reminder that the correct way to put the coordinates is (x,y).

>>2870863
Nothing. It's just a meme pic.

>>2872772
His colonial subjects cut the hands off of innocent people and enslaved them.

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>>2872854
Osama Bin Laden
(80, 55)

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>>2872854
John Wesley Hardin
(45, 80)

>>2872923
He's already (75, 75)

>>2858309
He dindu nuffin

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>>2873014
I didn't see that. Jim Jones for the same spot (80, 55) then.

>>2872854
85,70
Put franz josef there. Dude had a hard life, his nephew got killed because of the fucking serbs and lost ww1.

>>2872854
>Emmett Till
>50 deserved
kek

>>2872854

The "Sun" King Louis XIV, 70 Suffering, 45 Deserved

>>2873036
70deserve, 85 suffering i meant

>>2868475
>Gadaffi
Daily reminder that the US killed his daughter, and he still tried to extend friendship to the west. Only to be betrayed by Obama.

>>2873077
That was a lie he made up to foster sympathy for himself. She was fine. Also it was his adopted daughter.

>>2872854
>Basil II the Bulgar Slayer
>(25, 10)
t. Bulgar

>>2858296

>gilles des rais absolutely deserved it
kys

>>2873179
He raped and murdered children. He did fight alongside Joan of Arc but that doesn't excuse him.

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Canadian V for Vendetta should get some honors

>Tsar Nicolas.
>How much they deserved it: 50.

Fuck off, it should be like 10 or 20.

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>>2872854
Delphine LaLaurie


>"Heaps of corpses, organs, and limbs. Slaves pinned to tables or cramped in small cages. Live bodies with their eyes gouged, fingernails torn out, ears hanging by shreds of skin, or their mouths filled with animal shit and sewn shut. People flayed of skin with festering wounds. Many accounts claim they found one woman whose skin had been peeled off in spirals to make her look like a caterpillar, another with her bones broken and reset so that she looked like a crab, and one more whose intestines had been torn out and knotted around the waist. Many of these victims (some claim there were up to 100) were supposedly still alive—putrid and starving."

Deserved 100 or 95

Suffering 45

Only died in an accident and was never tried for her crimes her reputation was the only thing that suffered.

>>2866804
Who is at 100,100

>>2873256
Carthage

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>>2869262
>>2871590
The stuff about "terrorism" is objectively false so I won't address it.

As for how he muddled with global affairs that's called standing up against the Western internationalist monetary cult (see pic related)

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>>2873273
And in case you still believe what Western media treks your about Libya look up Gaddafi's actual policies and how the country went from an undeveloped and entirely illiterate shithole to a booming economy (that actually benefits its citizenry rather than just a few elites)

Libyan literacy

Before gaddafi: 25%
After gaddafi: 87%

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>>2873273
>Gadaffi
>Funding and arming terrorists
>Committing terrorism
>OBJECTIVELY FALSE

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>>2873299
are you unable to address the actual facts or do you just choose not to

here's some more facts for you to deny

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>>2873310
>Gadaffi
>Not a terrorist supporter
I'm not addressing actual facts because this amount of historical revisionism doesn't deserve any response besides greentext.

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>>2872854
Herod the Great
(65, 90)