Why is Spain so divided?

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also unlike britain wich has 4 clearly divided cultures, spain decided to divided each of its regions in subregions as in to somewhat represent all posssible minorities and historical regions of spain during completely different times, at the same time.
this is what spain looked like if the regions were the components of the spanish shield in the flag.
much easier to manage and understand

>>2857192
>What in earth happened in What in earth happened in Italy's history
>What in earth happened in Germany's history
>What in earth happened in Yugoslavia's history
>What in earth happened in UK's history

>>2857202
what in earth do any of those things have to do with spain? what to heck

>>2857211
All very regional countries

>>2857192
Most of those regions used to be full fledgling kingdoms in the Middle Ages and the during the reconquista, Castille and Aragon happened to be the ones who blobbed the most. Even after the marriage union, the new kingdom of "Spain" didn't have complete control over it's lands, with those regions acting more like vassal than another part of a whole. Portugal itself was supposed to be a part of Spain if it wasn't for the efforts of strong man kings like Alfonso.

>>2857201
>>2857192
Why is the iberian peninsula so aesthetic?

I guess US has fifty "completely different cultures" too? Those division in OP's map are rather recent and arbitrary; e.g., Madrid, Castile-Leon, Castile-La Mancha, Cantabria and La Rioja should have been one single autonomous community.

>>2857192
Mot autonomies are a meme and were made up 40 years ago
>>2857201
>That division
You have to go back sudaca

>>2857375
>full fledgling kingdoms in the Middle Ages
Most comunidades were made up 40 years ago.

>>2857192

It did not take part in the great Nationalizing process which was crowned with the WWI:
>"Tourangeaux, Picards, Béarnais,
>Quel que soit le nom qu'on vous donne
>L'armée est la grande patrone
>Qui vous baptise tous français".

>"Heidu girenean, denborak eginik
>Bazterrak ikusirik, frantsesa jakinik".

>>2857412
because its almost a square i guess
>>2857533
Spain has 2000 more years of history.
>north-west
>kingdom of Asturies wich later became kingdom of galicia, kingdom of leon....
>east
>crown of aragon (notice the red and yellow stripes: the origin of this flag is that the yellow shields of aragon soldiers was reinforced with steel sticks that eventually got rusty and red)
>Al-Andalus: for the longest time Andalucia and specially cordoba were part of the Ummayad Empire and later different seperate caliphates

>>2858200
>notice the red and yellow stripes: the origin of this flag is that the yellow shields of aragon soldiers was reinforced with steel sticks that eventually got rusty and red
That's not true tho

That isn't that divided, mate.

>>2857201
You should really put Portugal in the map, de facto it is only another Spanish kingdom. Also do not forget your rightful clay on the other side of the Pyrenees.

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>>2857192
>Spain

Literally all of Europe

>>2857192
Unlike France or Italy, they didn't go through centralization of the language in XIX century. Even Germany consolidated its cultures more.

The reason behind it is probably that Spain had been unified for a few good centuries by the age of nationalism and didn't really feel like needing to take any action. France most likely did it because, well, it's France and it always had convoluted relations inside its realm, they also have a pretty long history of centralizing the state. That's just how I perceive it though, I am by no means an authority on explaining this process.

>>2859606
Swede here, both those movements are silly and unpopular and not even one percent of the population, and it really ruins the argument since you have no idea what other countries are also completely falsified.

>>2859744
>Swede here
Shalom.

>>2859606
a facebook group of 10 people counts as an active separatist movement on this map

>>2859606
>catalan countriess
stop this meme, aragon crown wass the real historical kingdom, catalans never stop manipulating history to take them out of the equation

>>2859516
Cool map, thanks for posting.

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>>2860066

It's quite simple and a result of Spain's particular historical evolution:

1.- During the middle ages, while the rest of Europe was organised in little territories ruled by little lords, in Spain territories where being slowly taken back from the muslims. Because of the inmediate threat, full sized kingdoms were organised quite early.

2.- When the Reconquista is finished, Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand are wise enough to understand the need of unification, which they did through marriages. Technically, Spain's is the first, modern European nation.

3.- Despite this unification, territories mantained part of their priviledges, independance, law and everything.

4.- It is only in 1707, with the change of Dinasty and the French Bourbons coming to Spain, that we really move towards a more centralised political system, in law and economy, trade and taxes.

5.- Another interesting point is that Spain experienced no patriotic-nationalistic sentiment during the 19th Century with the rest of Europe. We didn't need to, cause borders were clearly defined since 1492. This meant that the bourgoisie and middle classes did not foster or feel part of a nation or national project...

6.- In 1978, after Franco (RIP), they decided to adopt a sort of federal constitution, which acknowledges large autonomy to the regions. Since then, regional governments, specially in Basque Country and Cataluña have been conspiring against the central government. They control education and media at local level, so imagine the nazi-onalistic result. They are taught at school all kinds of idiotic propaganda.

In short, all this explains why 50% of Spanish population would rather piss on the flag than carry it.

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>>2860161
>slowly taken by the muslims
they took the peninsula in a blink from the visigoths
fact is, a lot of the people from the visigoths that pushed rome out of Hispania just wanted to be normal farmers with normal lives, without the abusive roman taxes.

>>2857192
their islamic roots beckon infighting

>>2860161
So much falsehood here.

>>2857192
No idea

Why Europe was never united like China?

Most people already discussed the issues Spain had with unification, I will throw another case in.
Spain also had control over areas such as South Italy after unification. Their country was truely a nightmare and needed extensive time to unify itself. Instead of doing that though, the absolute madman they are conquer a global Empire. While also being the police state of Europe and the Atlantic for about two hundred years.

>>2860933

Modern china only united itself in the 1700-late 1800s during the Qing who expanded the empires borders and sought to bring unity to them.

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>>2860942
What realm do I belong to?

>>2860942
But "China" is one of the oldest civilization and it has existed as an entity till today.

>>2857192
What introgies me most is basque seperatism, portuguese seperatism, and catalonian seperatism.

>>2860949

not-white land

>>2860953
China was only chinese in the northern section until the Song Dynasty and technology improvements led to the colonization of southern China. However, only the littorial sections were chinese, the rest still had outsiders. To the northeast all the way to the west in Tibet were horsefuckers of varying degrees. The southwestern sections of China still were a conquered people that hadn't unifed either.

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>>2860961
Thats not a realm

>>2860961
China was unified a loooong time ago no identities except chinese existed

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>>2859606
>Prussian separatist movement in Kaliningrad

Since when?

>>2860161
wew lad

Is this what they teach you in the Meseta? No wonder you vote the same corrupt fucks over and over again. So gullible...

>>2862605
t. votes the most corrupt party in all of Spain because muh independence
Kek. No wonder Jordis are such massive brainlets

>>2860957

Portugal separates from Leonese kingdom in the Middle Ages when the queen Urraca was facing threats from her own son (the later Alfonso VII, born from his first marriage to a Burgundian noble) and her husband (second husband, another Alfonso, his one from Aragon), her whole reign was a series of Civil Wars where everyone tried to get greatest prize.
The countess of Portugal was half sister of the queen (a ilegitimate daughter of king Alfonso VI, who married her to another Burgundian noble, cousin of the former and gave them the Portugese county), as king Alfonso VI had no male heir the Burgundians had plans to seize the throne but the one married to Urraca died and everything became a trollfest with a fuckon of players trying to seize power. The Portuguese managed to break from Leon.


Catalan and Basque separatism are different cases. The Catalan identity has its origins in the various counties that break from the Carlongian realm and were slowly united under the suzeranity of the Barcelonas County. Their history later merged with that of Aragon when the count married the Aragonese queen gaving birth to the Aragonese Crown. Each realm inside the Crown keep a fair share of traditions and Catalonia which developed a comercial and maritime economy keep growing. That way Catalonia kept a strong culture and selfidentity which lasted centuries with some drawnbacks like the War of Spanish Succesion in which they backed the wrong claimant and lost their traditional laws. With that history, when the XIX Century carried the Nationalism Catalonia was ready to accept the new ideas and Catalan nationalism grew forcing Spanish government to recognize it. The Francoist Dicatorship end that, and thus when the Dictaroship itself ended the nationalism returned stronger. Various political and economic problems and failures have led to the actual situation.

>>2862634

The Basques pride themselves over the antiquity of their language and their selfgovernment but they have always been divided between various realms (France/Spain, Castile/Navarre, Asturias/Pamplona). And they have been well integrated in them, at least as long as their situation has been protected. That changed in the XIX Century, the lost of selfgovernment after the Carlist Wars, the Industrial Revolution carried changes to most of their country... So once more the XIXs Nationalism found a good soil, and thus Basque Nationalism began to grow (at a smaller pace than the Catalan one though), till reach a selfgovernm during the Spanish Civil War, but they found themselves in the loser side when it ended. During the Dictatorship a terrorist group that lasts till our days (even if its currently disapearing) was born and the nationalism bloomed once more with democracy.

>>2857201
>Granada
>West Andalusia
Ok i got triggered hard.

>>2862648
>Implying that Castile wasn't the kingdom of the Basques
What a pleb.

>>2863126

What a dumbass.

>>2863172
Ok you dumb piece of hot garbage let me teach you some history.
The region that is currently known as the Basque country was never a political entity splitted in 3 lordships. Alava,Vizcaya and Guipuzcoa. All of those lorships were antichurches and behetrias. The lorship of Alava became associated dinastyically to the county of Castile. Later when Vizcaya tried to break up with the kingdom of Pamplona and asked the king of Castile to intervene in exchange of its annexetion to Castile. And Guipuzcoa was then annexed to Castile. All of this before any expansion south of the Duero. The Basques repopulated all Castile and were usually called Basques by people from other kingdoms like Leon. I hate all this pseudo historians that tried to talk shit about crap they don't have a fucking clue about.

>>2862250
Since 1945.

>>2863423

It´s even funnier when a retard doesn`t only try to sound smart, but tries to prove that he is smart.

>>2859568

>De facto it is only another Spanish kingdom

I'll fight u cunt