What does /his/ think about Graham Hancock

>>2847679
Haha, he's got "cock" in his name XD

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>>2847690
god dammit anon

>>2847679
If you like spooks then go ahead, read that fucking spook-a-dook.

>>2847679
You sound like 5 year old.

>>2847779
because I treat new shit I find with an open mind? alas! it's great to be like a 5 year old then

>>2847816
Now you sound like a douche.

His singular "mother culture" theory isn't "far-fetched", absolutely absurd.

You want to know why so many (i.e. about 3) early cultures developed pyramids? It's a very easy and very stable design. It's just a glorified pile of rocks, an 8 year old could come up with it.

Now fuck off back to /x/.

>>2847862
what about similar myths throughout the world? like a Great Flood or Dragons which are prevalent in most cultures.

Also yes the answer for piramids is a pretty logical one and could put that debate to rest. also I read that he first came up with the idea that a comet or asteroid hit the earth causing the end of the ice age and while that shit was dismissed 20 years ago nowadays there are mountains of evidence for a comet hitting the NA ice shelf wiping out megafauna and the clovis culture.

Same with the Globeki Tepe thing, around that time people were supposed to be nomadic and those ruins seem to fucking elaborated for some savages with stone spears. I'm not saying some ancient alien came down and created civilization but I think those ruins raise some legitimate questions and then you have geological dating for the Sphinx being build (atleast the lower part) in a time when Egypt was more fertile than when the Egyptian civilization came about so I don't know.

But yeah many of his conjectures are in the /x/ territory but he is not an archeologist he is a journalist and writer first, he just uses archeological data in his hypothesis.

>>2847924
Can you give me any examples other than the great flood? Because in the case of the great flood, direct contact and cultural transmission makes the most sense.

Plus the fact that if you live in a river valley prone to flooding, it makes sense to have a myth about flooding. It just so happens most of the earliest civilisations emerged in river valleys.

>>2847933
>pure coincidence

>>2847936
It's not coincidence at all.

Cultures that develope under similar ecological pressures will tend to develop in broadly similar fashions.

If your culture develops in a cold place, you will develop a form of housing and dress that protects you from the cold.

>>2847933
like I said Dragons for example are a mithical creature in pretty much every civilization, direct contact can be thrown out of the window since for example Melanesians had no contact with Sumerians or Greeks, same with Mayans.

also in the case of the Flood myths are too similar IMO with a great deluge and cataclysm with an heroic figure who has the favor of the gods, and while contact and cultural transmission could be used for the Greek Myth because of their contact with phoenicians and egyptians what about the Aztec myth of the flood? they no contact nor cultural transmission

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>>2847679
If this is one of those "everyone discovers pi, tracked the seasons, the stars, figured the fibonacci sequence, and builds pyramids" things, meh. Same animal, same world, similar circumstances, bound to happen.

However, there probably was once a "mother culture" as modern genetics tell us that, at some point, mankind was reduced to an extremely isolated, heavily inbred population (possibly <10k, and probably responsible for every other inheritable genetic disorder we have these days).

However, the genetic bottleneck is so far back in history, it's doubtful how much it has to do with the advent of any particular civilization, save maybe as a collective cultural afterthought.

Additionally, folks tend to underestimate just how much contact all the early civilizations actually had. With the exceptions of some of the polynesians and the Americas, nearly all the early civilizations had some limited contact with one another, and once they can learn to communicate, it really only takes one guy to tell some tall tales and a handful of people willing to believe that if it can be done there, it can be done here.

>>2847946
Do you have some kind of hatred against letter "y"?

>>2847946
Yeah, but we really stretch the definition of "dragon" to make that fit. It's not like they were using a similar sounding word. A lot of what we call "dragons" are just a big snakes, or even non descript big world eating beasts. Plus, well, dinosaur bones. It's also a pretty clear case of synthesis (four legs AND wings, clearly you've broken something here). Not a lot of folks start wondering allowed if unicorns were real, outside of folk songs for children.

>>2847955
why? If I'm not using it when it's supposed to go it's because my mother language is spanish and our shared words and pretty much all our language seldom uses the letter "Y" it's just out of habit

>>2847964
but while Dragons as we know differ across cultures the concept remains the same, a big most of the time flying snake that breathes something, there's an hyphotesis that the concept of dragons came from the tails of comets and such and it sound plausible but then you have other creatures like vampires and were-somethings for example the Nahuales in Mexico and Werewolves in Europe

>>2847982
>>2847964
same with the myth of some ancient city destroyed in a catastrophe like Atlantis in Greece, Aztlan in Mexico both swalloed by the sea, Sodom and Gomorrah and Tripura with Gods wiping them out in a rain of fire, or the myth of the resurrecting God like Jesus, Osiris or Quetzalcoatl

I mean there may be no real correlation but we can find many similarities if we compare mythologies around the world

Hey man, what if, like, all the cultures were all descended from some, like, super-culture? Really makes you think.

>>2847954
nah it's not one of those, it's more of a "there was a precursor culture that wasn't as primitive as we thought it was because of X, Y and Z... oh and also here's some geological evidence about the Great Sphinx being built earlier than we thought" coupled with a theory about the ending of the ice age, some comparative arquitecture and mythology and that's about it

>>2847924
>Same with the Globeki Tepe thing, around that time people were supposed to be nomadic
No they weren't, it's roughly contemporary with early permanent towns such as Catal Hoyuk.
People who believe the theories of Hancock et al almost univerally have no understanding of basic archaeological principles, and it shows.

>>2847924
>he is not an archaeologist
FUCKING EXACTLY
Would you trust an untrained journalist to make sweeping, unsupported theories about biochemistry that go against the vast sum of material published before and after? Fuck no. So why do it with archaeology?

>>2847982
Yeah, you know how you get flying snakes? You stick a bird and a snake together.

You know what all cultures with flying snake myths have? Snakes and birds.

>>2848015
well he has interviewed real archeologists and cited their works, I don't believe him wholy but I believe he has some interesting hyphotesis like the event that caused the Younger Driads for which there has been more evidence discovered by real geologists to support the claim that a comet crashed into the north american Ice sheet

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>>2847997
>same with the myth of some ancient city destroyed in a catastrophe like Atlantis in Greece, Aztlan in Mexico both swalloed by the sea, Sodom and Gomorrah and Tripura with Gods wiping them out in a rain of fire, or the myth of the resurrecting God like Jesus, Osiris or Quetzalcoatl
Cuz shit like Pompeii happens, and that just screams "the gods are pissed", and etches pretty well into the long term collective memory.

>most of the time flying snake that breathes something
A lot of what we refer to as dragons don't satisfy either of these requirements. Hell, sometimes scholars will even point to the Kraken as a dragon. We call sea creatures dragons. Similarly, a long-necked Goddesses with no legs and seven heads, that don't breath anything, suddenly becomes a dragon. There's a lot of retro engineering involved to make it fit the visage of the European dragon, which itself isn't particularly consistent.

>>2848012
Man Catal Hoyuk was founded 2 thousand years after Globeki Tepe according to carbon dating, in the 10th millenium bc sure as hell people still were atleast semi nomadic in nature and the agricultural revolution hadn't started yet.

According to Schmidt (the fucker who discovered it) Globeki Tepe probably acted as either burial or worshipping ground for peoples in the vicinity before permanent settlements

>>2848051
I hadn't thought of the euro engineering on the concept, thank you for giving me light on that, probably the concept of the flying something breathing snake really came from ancient people watching comets like some anthropologist theorize

>>2848063
I was using an example, Catal Hoyuk is a large settlement and smaller ones would have almost certainly existed before then.
>agricultural revolution hadn't started yet
You say this, but about 10,000BP is roughly the date where you start to see early traits of domestication in cereal grain remains. It takes a long time for these adaptations to appear in the archaeological record, so some degree of agriculture was likely occurring even 12,000 years ago.
I would certainly postulste that there was at least semi-permanent settlement occurring in the region when Gobekli Tepe was built.

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>>2848051
>We call sea creatures dragons. Similarly, a long-necked Goddesses with no legs and seven heads, that don't breath anything, suddenly becomes a dragon
I assume this is a reference to Tiamat... It wasn't even that she had seven heads, she "saw from seven directions" (suggestive of omniscience, countering Marduk's seven eyes, which again, symbolic, not literal, given the images of Marduk). She had the head of a lioness, the feat of a falcon, and the wings of an owl (The Babylonians had a thing with owls).

...and yeah, somehow that became a dragon.

Really, any great beast slain by the hero is a dragon, from a Jungian point of view (as is any faceless challenge, really) - but yes, there is a bit of "Europeanization" going on, turning nearly every creature from mythology into a classical dragon.

>>2848015
I think he is more in the lines of Bill Nye who atleast until his recent stunt on the netflix show just divulged stuff discovered by others.

Hancock atleast sounds like the most credible of famous pseudoarcheologist since he seldom dwells on ancient aliens and all that fuckery and stays within the realm of reality at the end of the day he is nothing more than someone who got famous for asking "what if"

>>2848102
yeah I would believe the same, while not fully nomadic I can get along with the argument of semi nomadic people like some african cultures are today where while not having a permanent settlement they wander about in an specific territory

>>2848103
yeah that europeanization of mythological creatures sucks hairy balls, there are many great creatures around the world and it pisses me off that they have all been turned into a fire breathing lizard

>>2848015
what you are proposing is that only if you have a degree in certain something you can have an opinion on a subject, by that logic we are not allowed to theorize, have opinions or ask questions about any given subject

>>2848012
his younger driads hyphotesis is based atleast since 2007 in real science tho

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>>2848139
Opinion yes.

Writing books while pretending to speak from a position of authority while claiming everyone more educated than you on the subject is wrong, no.

(Let alone entering publicly televised debates on the subject - but clearly I'm not talking about Hancock anymore.)

>>2848154
Bill Nye isn't positing his own scientific theories though, he's just defending the theories of others in a debate format. That's fine, that's kinda the point organised debate. It's the mark of a good debater to be able to defend a viewpoint that they don't even believe in.

>>2848181
Well, it's bad when he's put in a debate that's putting evolution on trial, and he's part of the defense, when the only non-honorary degree he has is in engineering. Fugger doesn't even have a debate team trophy under his belt, let alone any formal education on the subject. Yet he still gets presented as a supposed expert.

It's like putting Mr. Rogers in a physics debate with Oppenheimer. Except Mr. Rogers is cool as fuck, and thus would never do it, except to ask Oppenheimer how his day was, unlike this asshole.

>>2848210
Well yeah, it's a televised debate for the general public, it's not going to have genuine scientific value. It's TV, what do you expect?

>>2848228
Meh, at least do better than a children's television show host.

Kinda tired of a guy with a bachelors and no real science background being the face of science.

It's true, however, as Bill is just parroting talking points, Hancock's sins against intellectual honesty maybe worse, just not as widespread.

>>2848258
I remember liking Bill a long time ago, what happened?

>>2848265
He started pretending he was an actual scientist, instead of a fun TV personality.

You'd have much the same response if Christopher Lloyd got in his labcoat and started doing a debate circuit about temporal mechanics.

>>2848258
I guess it's just a problem with the US, because in the UK we have Brian Cox.

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>>2848281
Damn, so he started taking himself too seriously. I guess we'll always have old Bill

>>2848282
>>2848281
>UK
In that case, replace Christopher Lloyd with David Tennant.

>>2848282
You also have Bill Nighy

>>2848291
>>2848294
Brian Cox the physicist, not Brian Cox the Dundonian actor.

https://youtu.be/VPOa72dsrGw

>>2848308
I know

>>2848228
to put I don't know Dawkins instead of Bill Nye? even throught Dawkins is an insuferable bastard atleast he is a real scientist

>>2848282
Well, Brian Cox, for all his annoying exuberance, is at least an actual physicist.

The only other pop-sci guy we have in the US is a black man, and no one wants that, so...

>>2848313
what about Michu Kaku? he is a real physicist aswell

>>2848318
*Michio Kaku
he is less anoying than Science Negro and Bill Nye the dumb fuck

>>2848318
He's a Jap. People keep making anime jokes. Similar reason as to why Bill gets more limelight than Neil Degrasse "Le Black Science Man" Tyson.

>>2848321
Do you hate Tyson on the fact that he's black or do other factors come in as well?

>>2848329
Jealous of his moustache.

>>2848332
Understandable.

>>2848329
Not him, but he does come off a bit condescending and flat sometimes. I'll give Bill some credit for being the better actor. Man I miss Sagan though - he had good weed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnAziU3P1V8

Personally, I like Tyson, I just know that most of my fellow countrymen (along with most of 4chan - of which there is much overlap) are "uncomfortable" with the idea of a smart black man, and get angry at the fact that his inner nigger doesn't slip through often enough.

>>2848342
>condescending
Yes, very much so. I like him when he gets angry tho.

>I miss Sagan
Still got my dad's VCR tapes. He was a poet that one.

>I like Tyson
He's pretty good at what he does. He's no Sagan, but good ol' Carl was a statistical improbability.

>>2848329
Nah, him being black is not even a factor, I hate his know it all condescending attitude

>>2848345
>He's pretty good at what he does. He's no Sagan, but good ol' Carl was a statistical improbability.

this, Tyson IMO tries to be like Sagan without Sagan's humility but he is pretty educated in what he does still my argument>>2848347
stands

I hate how fucking condescending he comes across

>>2847679
>and the "scientific" community because of his theories?
Stopped reading there and filtered the thread.

Why the quotation marks? If you want people to take you seriously, maybe you shouldn't start off with being a douche towards the whole scientific community, just because you found some dismissed fringe theory, in the OP.

>>2848349
I don't find him that condescending but I get it. Still, there's no one better to rile the normies and educate them or at least turn them toward science than him right now.

Ya know, that I think on it... We really don't have a charismatic white cutting edge science-guy, who is also an actual scientist, to be spokesman in America right now.

...We got a black guy, a couple of Jews, a Jap, and a fake science guy.

We're in trouble, aren't we?

>>2848361
>we
So educated people need to be of your race, gender, preferably political orientation and hopefully supporting the same apehoop/concussionball team as you.

>>2848369
Well, not for me personally, but that is certainly true for the bulk of this nation.

Without such a figure, we're just going to get more and more anti-intellectuals. The more screen time Tyson gets, the more equating science and satan we're going to get from the white sector. ...and while white is technically not a majority anymore (or soon not-to-be, depending on how you count), as the recent election suggests, they aren't a block you can ignore.

I'd much rather pander to the racists, than have the nation dragged into the dark ages by angry anti-intellectuals because we keep shoving it in their faces.

...Granted Bill's little spectrum disorder dance isn't helping that either.

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>>2848381
Top kek

>>2848361
Fuck the public face of science, your president is a bigger threat to the discipline.

>>2847825
no u

>>2848390
no me

>>2848386
Meh, he'll be gone in the next four to eight years (if not sooner).

The public face of science will have some sway in what replaces him. Indeed, a large part of why he was elected was the failure of the science PR to create enough love for knowledge that people would avoid being lead by an anti-intellectual. (And this is far from the first time it's failed so miserably in its job.)

Granted, it had a lot more to do with everyone hating Hillary so much - but it was close enough that every little bit counts.

>>2848400
>everyone
People's hate for Trump is incomparable, at least in my lifetime. The only people that were hated more were Carter and maybe, maybe, Nixon

>>2848400
How do you sell science to Jesus freaks?

>>2848409
You don't, you take the right to vote from them. Funnily, that would probably cut the black and mexican voting pool more than they would the white one.

>>2848406
Jeeze, you must be even older than I am.

From what I recall of Carter, we didn't hate him personally. We didn't feel he was evil - his heart was in the right place. We just felt he was hella incompetent.

While the GOP machine liked to claim Hillary was incompetent, that wasn't the real fear with her. The real fear, was that she was extremely competent (and as the left liked to point out, she would have been the most qualified person to ever hold office - which just made her even scarier to the right). If you gotta choose between incompetent evil and competent evil, well...

>>2848420
Nah, I'm just taking this from the older people I hang around where I work, I was born in the early Bush years. The first prez I remember is Bill and Bill was popular even among Reps in the 90's, even after the Lewinski scandal. Bush was widely unpopular and rightly so, while Obama was the first time I saw my own party make compromises to support a weak prez just to not let the Reps get into office again with one of the absolute loons they were pushing. Honestly, the Rep nominee I liked most was McCain by far, but he got fucked by his own party because that bitch was dumb as rocks. She would have made a great viceprez to Trump, imagine how hard the world would be laffing at us with those 2 in office.

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>>2848409
"Find" a new set of Dead Sea Scrolls that has Jesus quoted as saying he will be waiting for us on Trappist-1, and only those who aid in reaching him will be saved.

...Or, you know, just don't use science to actually antagonize them. Don't keep flaunting non-white scientists and using ""science"" to promote the-gay and other shit they don't like. Maybe focus more on how the fact that every-other theory they do have a problem with came from some extremely religious scientist, how the church used to defend reason and rationalism and gave rise to science, some shit about how reason brings us closer to God, with less of the Dawkins crap, etc. etc.

It's social engineering, not rocket science!

>>2848431
So we should pander to the worst, dumbest most uneducated fucking loons in our society just in the hopes we don't piss them off? Top kek, fuck off you milquetoast cocksucker

>>2848430
Yeah, I liked McCain to, voted him in earlier primaries - and then suddenly there was Soccer Mom™. His other potential pick was Joe Lieberman, a freaking Democrat (albeit a Dino), so I figured he had just lost it at some point.

>>2848449
The religious bushfags shoved her down his throat. He's still sharp, but he fell prey to a party trying to pander to >>2848431 fags like this one.

>>2848442
In a representative republic in which they hold majority power? Hell yes you do! At least in hopes that you can swing enough of them over to erode their power and/or give some hope to their next generation.

You don't constantly clamp your ass cheeks around their face and fart in it while screaming about how stupid they are, when they hold all the damned cards - save that for after you've reduced them to a smouldering minority the side of the Westboro Baptists.

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>>2848462
>majority power

What a milquetoast pussy-ass faggot you are.

>>2848468
Presidency, House, Senate, Governorships, and now the Supreme Court, all majority held by people propelled to power by the party of the Religious Right.

Listen to Einstein. Human stupidity is not to be underestimated. While it's in control, better to guide it and make it work for you, than to piss it the fuck off.

...and to be fair, it's not as if they don't have some good points you might be able to placate them with.

>>2848355
sad but true, scientific discourse is pretty much death in pop culture nowadays apart from what Nye and burger flipping teachers spout

Everybody thought he was crazy.

Then this shit happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

>ritual use dating back to the 10th–8th millennium BCE

...and now it turns out he wasn't crazy at all and we don't know fucking jack shit about what the fuck happened back then.

>>2848462
>In a representative republic in which they hold majority power? Hell yes you do

So we're in agreement, the US is an unredeemable shitehole?

Well that's that, if you have half a dick and respect yourself move somewhere sensible.

>>2848903
We've long suspected that civilization might be quite a bit older than what we've discovered, and we know there were quasi civilizations even older than the temple at Göbekli Tepe in the form of temporary fortifications and possibly trading posts.

But that doesn't give you Atlantis, and civilization would have to be a whole lot older to reach that genetic bottleneck and have some relation to any proto culture that may have existed at the time. The genetic samplings comparing the wheat preserved there with modern wheat, and its drift from wild wheat, suggest the civilization that built Göbekli Tepe wasn't a whole lot older, and hadn't been domesticating wheat for very long.

It certainly doesn't suggest that a pole shift shuffled the continents around and gods walked among us ala Spirit Science. Pole shifts happen - but they aren't particularly cataclysmic (though maybe a bit more than they once were, now that we have an electric grid).

>>2849012
There's only a handful of generations and not a lot of genetics separating these doofuses from the guys who helped spur The Enlightenment and spelled science with a capital S. Hell, some of the folks responsible for getting us on the moon are still alive.

They can be coaxed back, and I've more power to do play my minute part in that effort here than abroad. They really just need more carrot, and less stick.

Besides, this economy is the world wide equivalent of "too big to fail", and if it collapses suddenly, we're looking at a dark age that'll stain the oceans red. I don't trust the Chinese to save humanity without competition driving them nor anyone else to keep the Russians from going full Ivan. Most of Europe is increasingly in the same reactionary mode we're in for ignoring the pleas of the same sorts of people, and those nations that aren't are headed there for the same reasons - seemingly blind to the mistakes of both their neighbors and the US.

In the end, there's nowhere to run, so the only hope is to help prevent the cascade that'll cause the avalanche to start here, as should I be elsewhere on the mountain later, it'll be too late for the pebbles to vote.

>>2849101
The big difference is the Enlightenment thinkers were, mainly, French and grew up in a highly educated and zealously secular environment.

Americans today are morons, and they are fighting tooth an nail to stay that way. They're really not that different to Arabs.

>>2849131
>France
>ever secular

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>>2849134
Why are on /his/ if you don't know the first thing about history?

>>2849131
A few of them were, many of the others were aristocrats that grew up with puritans so backwards they were basically kicked out of England. And besides, it's not as if they went back home to France after the revolution and didn't have a ridiculous number of kids. Hell, even Benji is buried here (granted I'm sure he had a thousand bastards in France).

>>2849217
Does it matter? Slavish religious zealotry is cultural not genetic, and the US is a cultural drip tray.

>>2849230
To look at it another way, that means there's nothing preventing it from swinging the other way again.

Chin up, mate.

>>2849241
Yes there is, the fact that America is a cultural drip tray and the Jesus Freaks are fighting to keep it that way.

>>2849257
THIS THIS THIS

FUCK relgion

>>2849257
It's not the first time...

...It's just the last few times, the folks on the other end weren't being just as stubborn nor pretending the problem didn't exist or would just go away.

Adams and Jefferson may not have seen eye to eye, but each was willing to sell their stuff to one another and trade intellectual goods. This isn't unlike that situation writ large, save that we're stuck in the name calling and plugging of ears stage.

>>2849311
This smacks of wishful thinking.

>>2849328
Well, given the alternatives, kinda all we're left with.

>>2848431
I fail to see how dispelling the "evil church" myths will reach out to protestants, considering they're the ones who started propagating them in the first place.

>>2849615
Meh, the religious lines among Christian sects are actually getting pretty blurred, out here in the US, as they all gang up against secularism. I swear, half the people here can't even tell you what denomination they are. Anything that bolster's God is good - even if the conservatives hate the current Pope, half of them would like to see the Spanish Inquisition make a comeback. (And oddly, those same fundamentalists are the own downplaying various Catholic atrocities in the name of Christianity.) The anti-Catholic insanity of the past is kinda dead, and restricted to a few fringe groups.

It is indeed protestants who are pushing this "the dark ages weren't dark" meme. Which is, of course, bullshit - they were dark AF, especially given religious scholars less than two centuries removed from them coined the term. However, unlike the atheist's meme graph suggests, it was the church that got us out of them, rather than was keeping us in them.

More to the point, they did it largely by promoting education and reason, by looking upon intellectualism as a duty to God, rather than a sin against him.

Jeeze... It really has gotten to the point where we'd be better off under the religious leadership of the dark ages. (Granted, those guys would be burned at the fundamentalist's stake today.)

>>2848430
>that bitch was dumb as rocks

not really, you just bought the media line.

>>2847924
>what about similar myths throughout the world?
There are multiple possible explanations.

A. Humans came up with the myths back in Africa and told them to each other as they spread across the earth.

B. The myths are personifications of complex human psychological thought. Because the really deep hopes and fears of all humans are universal, there will be universal myths.

C. An early settled people on the sea sent missionaries across the earth spreading their myths and civilizational knowhow. This place might have been called Atlantis. There was a good video on youtube that had a recording of Freemason Manly P. Hall conjecturing that the Babylonian god Dagon was simply an Atlantean missionary clad in scale armor. Of course this line of thinking is ridiculous.

D. Global myths are produced by worldwide events. This is were Hancock and the post Ice Age sea level rise fit in. The evidence is overwhelming that people once lived in areas that are now sea or ocean. The idea that they wouldn't remember losing that much land is insane. Hancock's essential thesis is that various peoples successfully handed down vague accounts of great flooding through 10,000 years of oral tradition. I am no archeologist, but what he has proposed is not physically impossible.

E. Localized flooding in various regions: Mediterranean, Black Sea, Indus River Floodplain, Yellow River Floodplain, etc created local myths that became generalized via trade and travel.

>>2849718
If you mean her own media - that was part of her act.

Not that she was the brightest bulb (2.2 GPA was it?), but she was definitely playing dumb as part of her role. The downside to traditionally having smaller voter turnouts is that you need to pander to your base. Which is, of course, among the reasons Lieberman didn't get the position, despite being infinitely more qualified (though, man, what a strange alternative).

>>2849857
>D. Global myths are produced by worldwide events. This is were Hancock and the post Ice Age sea level rise fit in.
Yeah, but he also states that people used to live in Antarctica, and it suddenly relocated during a polar shift. I mean, I do suspect there's a whole lotta remains of proto civilizations underwater on the coastal shelves, but I rather suspect they would be more primitive, rather than less - and a sudden continental relocation kinda leaves a paper trail.

Discarding that bit of it, I'd say all of the above to one degree or another except C. Not that the Sea Peoples weren't influential, but they weren't any more advanced than anyone else, or they wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them by the Assyrians and Egyptians, among others, and it seems that, if anything, they were quite a bit less advance than the founding civilizations, in addition to showing up relatively late in the game (around the bronze age collapse).

It's amazing how much mileage an offhanded mention by one philosopher can give a single myth.

>>2847954
>nearly all the early civilizations had some limited contact with one another
This is true. I read in a culinary magazine that fossilized nutmeg was once found somewhere in the Fertile Crescent. This is significant because all nutmeg came only from the Banda islands of Indonesia all the way until the 1800s. A series of traders likely traded the thing. During the Bronze Age, Tin and Lapis was regularly brought to Babylon. The Mycenaean Greeks regularly exported wine to the Celts of central Europe.

But most interesting is the apple which seems to have originated in the China Kazakhstan border mountains, the Tien Shan. My understanding is that it was brought into China proper where it grew larger and the technique of tree grafting was discovered. The new apples then went West to become an integrated part of the European diet.

>>2850024
Hall wasn't talking about the Sea Peoples of 1200BC. He made up a people far older whose agents somehow arrive by boat in China, India, Egypt and Babylon around 4000BC to kickstart civilization. Apparently they were all a bunch of slackers doing nothing until some faggot on a boat appeared who amazed the natives with his knowledge. It's a story Masons tell themselves because it justifies their lodges as the inheritors of the Atlantean tradition. Basically they get to be the armored guy telling everyone else what to do.

>>2850057
I missed that part of the meeting, but I suppose I only ever went to the lodge for the free beer.

Meh, I could buy various traders following the coast and spreading stories in a chain like fashion, but not a unified culture bent on seeding civilization. I've heard flavors of this one before though - and I'm certainly not buying them going to the Americas to do it.