Jesus.

>>2845481
what's wrong with his left eye?

>>2845514

He was flawed.

If you what Jesus looked like matters to you, you're not a Christian.

>>2845514
Half human, half god.

>>2845581
*All human, all God.

>>2845587

Hey there Christfag.

>>2845481
He has a big halo

>>2845481
Well middle easterners range from fair to mudskin. Hes still a sandnigger

>>2845514
It's his merciful aspect besides his wrathful aspect.

Niggerskins btfo.

>>2845481
The Pantocrator of Sinai is indeed the oldest but it's still AD 500s. Granted, however, it must be have been based on an already established iconographic tradition.

>>2845499
None of the men in that photo would even remotely pass as white by the conventional definition.

>>2845514
Christ's face is intentionally done like that to hint at a few things: the coexistence of His human and divine natures; His mercy and his judgment; heaven and earth. Of course, if you mirrored either side onto the other, you would get a 'complete' image.

>>2845575
This desu.

>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>2845575

If God was black then Jesus would've looked like a half negro with fuzzy hair.

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>>2845481
nice, I raise you a depiction that's 2 centuries older - Christ Between Peter and Paul, 4th century (belonged to Emperor Constantine). He seems unnaturally tanned, for all the difference it makes

>>2845737
As with any historical work of art, one should be aware of the degradation over time. Colours become less bright, textures less pronounced and entire layers may have been washed off during restorations.
I don't know what your depiction originally looked like though.

>>2845737
WE

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>>2845752
>white background still looks white
>paint exhibits no signs of degradation, discoloration, or even flaking
>"i don't know what your depiction originally looked like though"
that's a lot of non-argument from someone who knows little about a topic

>>2845774
>straight brown hair
>not White
Sure thing littel tye.

>>2845774

Yeah. It doesn't take into account, how would a painter... Hundreds of years after the person was no longer around, made a picture that looked just liked him.

Oh and its idol worship.

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>>2845793
>moving the goalposts
I'm glad we're agreeing straight-haired Israelites are white, but I still don't see an argument that this isn't a depiction of a levanite Jesus

>>2845514
>one eye on your souls, one eye on da streetz

>>2845796
what is your argument exactly? I just see disjointed rambling

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>>2845724
>None of the men in that photo would even remotely pass as white

Samaritans are clearly middle eastern looking, but they sure aren't shitskins. They look like the Jews in Passion

>>2845816
word

>>2845820

Iconoclasts were right. Depictions of Jesus is idol worship.

>>2845907
>Depictions of Jesus is idol worship

This. Jews and Muslims had the right idea with that whole images are bullshit because you instead worship the image instead of the ideas and God himself.

>>2845802

>Pre Arabian Invasion and Nigger Slavery Levantines are muds.

>>2845851

>None of the men in that photo would even remotely pass as white by the conventional definition.

America isn't the center of the universe.

>>2845851

They look Eastern Mediterranean (Lebanese, Cyprus Greeks, Anatolia Turks) without all the mixing from Niggers, Arabians, and Egyptians.

>>2845481
>HURR I may worship a Kike but at least he wasn't a nigger!

Good goy.

>>2846029

Germany lost the war thanks to Hitler. Germany under Hitlrr also crippled its appreciation for science (see Jewish Physics).

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>>2845481
>>2845737
You guys are cute, the Alexamenos graffiti that's oldest. Jesus obviously had a donkey head.

>>2846729

Stay bitter, Achmed. Or are you Jamal? Whatever, keep LARPing as da reel Hebrews.

>>2846729
ΑΛΕξΑΜΕΝΟϹ FIDELIS

>>2847205
>being this butthurt

>>2847223

>t. tumblr/reddit/twatter

>>2847231
You're a walking stereotype. Better call me a cuck next.

>>2847240

Go attend your BLM chimpout and say Tyrone Jamal is da reel Egyptian and Hebrew.

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>>2845528
>>2845531

>>2847258
heh

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>>2847270

Jesus would have had the look of a sun baked Palestinian farmer considering he was a poor traveling carpenter. No way he could have been pale

>>2845851
Dude doesn't look like even a Sephardic jew

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>>2847292
Sephardic Jews look like shitskins to me

>>2847258
>There are two sides to me, nicest guy you'll ever meet and twisted fucking psychopath

>>2847302
His argument was that the dude in the picture just looked like an old jew. Dude is way too dark to be A Hebrew

>>2847258
These two dudes fight. Who wins?

>>2847314
>more like nicest guy you'll ever meet and scripture-clinging prosecuting attorney

>>2847325
They become friends instead.

>>2847325
Probably right. He is larger, and strong since he can easily carry two of those books, and well learned too, assuming he reads that sort of thing. And he has the face of one who will stop at nothing to achieve victory.

His opponent on the left, appears defenseless, but maybe his calm confidence means he has a trick up his sleeve.

>>2847344
>>2847344
dubs confirm

>>2847288
People don't wanna admit that Western Civilization has been worshiping a brown, hairy arab on a stick this entire time lmao

>>2847358
The only way Jesus would have been pale during those times would be if he had been rich

>>2847358
but he was not arab

>>2847390
Brown without a ""tan""
>>2847393
dark middle eastern then

>>2847404
ok

>>2845661
4 u

>>2847288

>Palestinian

>ignoring the Samaratians even though they're the closest to the Hebrews of all modern Semites

Still trying to force Achmeds Wuz Hebrews.

>>2847358

>Arab

You're not fooling us Shaniqua.

Both Niggers and Achmeds pretend Jesus Wuz Them.

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>>2845796
Meanwhile in early Christianity

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The early church hated anthropomorphic religious imagery. Only many generations later after Christian reception of imperial approval did iconography come to be more accepted in order to appeal to the recently converted heathen masses.
>They also possess images, some of them painted, and others formed from different kinds of material; while they maintain that a likeness of Christ was made by Pilate at that time when Jesus lived among them. They crown these images, and set them up along with the images of the philosophers of the world that is to say, with the images of Pythagoras, and Plato, and Aristotle, and the rest. They have also other modes of honouring these images, after the same manner of the Gentiles [pagans]"
>"But this that you have now done is childish and imperfect: you have drawn a dead likeness of the dead."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon#Emergence_of_the_icon

>At the time of Gennadius (458-471) was withered the hand of a painter who dared to paint the Saviour in the likeness of Zeus. Gennadius healed him by means of a prayer. The author [Theodorus Lector] says that the other form of Christ, viz. the one with short, frizzy hair, is the more authentic.

>"I shall set down other things about him full of amazement. A certain painter, while painting an icon of Christ our Master, found that his hand shriveled up. And it was said that, as the work of the icon had been ordered by a certain pagan, in the adornment of the name of the Savior he had depicted his hair divided on his forehead, so that his eyes were not covered—for in such a way the children of the pagans depict Zeus—so that those who saw it would think that they were assigning veneration to the Savior."
https://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=12813233

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>>2848744
Meanwhile.....

>>2845481
>if it has pale skin its white!
I guess japanese and koreans are white then.

>>2845481
Yeah, it's almost like Yemenites and other Gulf arabs didn't flood the region until the 7th century or something, who'd have thought it.

>>2845514
Canonically schizo.

>>2848994

>pretending no anthropologists and others in the humanities didn't include any MENAs as White

>>2849002

Don't forget the Nigger slaves and Egyptians.

>>2849016
The nigger slaves were in Rome blacking the senator's and emperor's wives.

Egyptians at the time were likely different as well, even discounting Greek and Italian influx, probably a kind of Berberid rather than Arabid or Yemenite. In fact, the icon in OP was painted in Egypt.

>>2848942
Community cave church versus opinion of Church fathers.

>>2849002
More like gentiles appropriating the culture to the image of their own.

>>2849033

>muh dick

>cuck porn

Hello Twatter user.

>>2847302
>>2847316
You realize Samaritans vary - some are dark, some are light-featured.

The racism is just stupid because many Jews themselves are dark-featured. Just like Samaritans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu6qhJ2HvyY

>>2849034

>Jesus was Achmed

Sure Jamal.

For those interested, there is a documentary by Waldemar Januszak about early christian art, it is in the the first part of his series on Dark Ages art. The earliest depictions of Christ see him as a curly haired teenage boy (the image being borrowed from statue images of Apollo) or as an androgynous thin male Apollo with wide hips and breasts modelling the dual gender aspect of the gods. ( The documentary was called Dark Ages Art and Architecture on youtube but i cant find it now).

>>2849068

But was he a shitskin in those pictures?

>>2849048
>lines 6.592-609 – At least poor women will have children. Rich women instead receive abortions to avoid the bother. But husbands should be glad since they would just become the father of a half-Ethiopian anyway. Women also get abandoned children to pass off as those of their husbands; these become the Roman elite – as Fortuna laughs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire_VI

I am merely literate in the classics

>>2849078

>still going muh dick

Still sore about the Hebrews not being Dindu Nuffins or Achmeds.

>>2849088
I was quite literally arguing for Jesus not being as swarthy as liberals and niggers like to think

>>2845575
>Not wanting to know regardless, for the sake of the acquisition of knowledge.

There is nothing wrong with this.

>>2845514
All seeing eye

>>2849034
Most church fathers Accept them

This proves it

>>2847258
What do the hand symbols mean

>>2849034
>merely cave paintings
Protestant logic

>>2849186
No they don't.
>>2849058
No argument

>>2849198
They do

Deal with it ASSMAD protestant scum

>>2849196
No cave paintings are actually important to the development of humanity.
The catacomb frescoes are more like murals done at a YMCA.

>>2849205
They show early christians do art

Get over it

>>2849201
See >>2848744

>>2849205
False

The same images own motiffs finds reference in writings of the early church fathers

Deal with it

>>2849215
>Irenaeus
Simply describing the acts of a certain sect

>>2849210
Butthurt infidel can't live with the fact that his image worship is heretical.

>>2849225
Damage control the post.

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If Jesus was black why are there no niggers within 1000 miles of Jerusalem. Where did they all go?

>>2849226
Protestantism is false

Deal with it

In fact any modern ACADEMIC work on early christian art now rejects the "muh early christian iconoclast" position

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>>2849228
>I hate context

By your own logic this is idolatry

>>2849233
>Modern
>Academic

>>2849239
>I hate scholarship

>>2849237
Chicken scrawls are potentially heretical too for a different reason. Still doesn't defend image worship.

>>2849215
And the second source says Jesus as Zeus is bad and that the curly haired version is more accurate

That isn't iconoclasm

>>2849256
>everything is heretical because I can't read and they disagree with protestantism

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/ashkenazi-jews-are-probably-not-descended-from-the-khazars/#.VxATwo-cFPY

> Setting aside the historical fuzziness of the paper, the major issue I have is that though the methods are totally kosher, so to speak, the data you put into them strongly shape your outcomes. Dienekes and Maju both anticipated my own key concern. The “Middle Eastern” aspect of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry might in fact be most well represented by populations in the zone of the northern Fertile Crescent and Eastern Anatolia; rather near or overlapping with the homelands of several of the Caucasian populations used in the above study as a proxy for Khazars. Additionally, modern Palestinians (the HGDP data set) are used as a reference to the Middle Eastern ancestors of Jews. I now believe that the Arabian contribution to the ancestry of Levantine and Iraqi Muslim population which dates to after the 7th century, and differentiates Muslim Arabs from their local non-Muslim Arab* co-ethnics, is significant. Perhaps on the same order of Germanic ancestry in modern England which dates to the 6th century and later. In plainer language the Caucasian component that is being detected in this paper may simply be a indigenous Middle Eastern ancestral element which has now been somewhat displaced northward in its modal frequency due to the expansion of the Arabs, and later the admixture of some Sub-Saharan admixture among Muslim Arabs.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1003316

Take that Shaniqua and Jamal.

>>2849259
The first source shunned production and worship of religious imagery.

The second implies that if your going to do it do it right.

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>>2849278
It didn't. It was simply descriptive of what a sect is doing

>>2849278
And the second one destroys any notion of iconoclasm which is essentially what I said, ZEUS as JESUS is bad, curly hair is the true one

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Hippolytus also spoke of the three youths in the furnace, also a key subject of early Christian art

>>2849286
>It was just a sect, it doesn't apply to what later Christians would be doing.

>>2849301
Except of course the point is Irenaeus DOESNT say anything on images

A general assumption that Early Christianity was generally aniconic, opposed to religious imagery in both theory and practice until about 200, has been challenged by Paul Corby Finney's analysis of Early Christian writing and material remains (1994). This distinguishes three different sources of attitudes affecting Early Christians on the issue: "first that humans could have a direct vision of God; second that they could not; and, third, that although humans could see God they were best advised not to look, and were strictly forbidden to represent what they had seen". These derived respectively from Greek and Near Eastern pagan religions, from Ancient Greek philosophy, and from the Jewish tradition and the Old Testament. Of the three, Finney concludes that "overall, Israel's aversion to sacred images influenced early Christianity considerably less than the Greek philosophical tradition of invisible deity apophatically defined", so placing less emphasis on the Jewish background of most of the first Christians than most traditional accounts.[8] Finney suggests that "the reasons for the non-appearance of Christian art before 200 have nothing to do with principled aversion to art, with other-worldliness, or with anti-materialism. The truth is simple and mundane: Christians lacked land and capital. Art requires both. As soon as they began to acquire land and capital, Christians began to experiment with their own distinctive forms of art".[9]

>>2849291
Taken together they imply that iconography is best avoided as there haven't been any productions of a Semitic Yeshua since but either way it leads to materialist adoration.

>>2849312
That isn't the case as archeological evidence suggests which also means that authors like Tertullian, Hippolytus and Clement had them in mind when describing motiffs of Christ or the Three youths

>>2849305
What communities of proselytized pagans did is not necessarily reflective of what learned church patriarchs would have approved.

>>2849322
Except this is not the case. Shown by the fact that the only source in the pre Nicene period that actually criticized the use of images was a gnostic one

>>2849322
I forgot to add, there is even an instance of church leaders approving the images as Robin M jensen shown in Understanding Early Christian Art

>>2849343
Iraneus criticized Gnostic Carpocratians for using icons.
There aren't many surviving sources of no orthodox customs to begin with but taking their other manners into account such as the Judaizing tendencies of the Nazarenes it can be supposed that they wouldn't have seen image adoration too favorably either.
>>2849305
Christians lacked land and capital. Art requires both.
The Roman catacombs contradict this.

Yet you'll see a parallel in the similar development of Buddhism which also initially avoided anthropomorphic imagery, using symbolism only to descend into the practice centuries later.

>>2849377
He didnt. He was simply describing what they do and doesn't say anything about Christian use.

Secondly, even amongst Jews there are differences in how the commandment on graven images is taken as shown by the fact that there are known synagogues with imagery and artwork in them. That means Judaizing doesn't necessarily mean iconoclastic

Thirdly, Irenaeus himself knew of Polycarp's martyrdom. IF your logic is true he would be really pissed at what the Christians did to him and wanted to do before and after his death

Roman catacombs did not contradict it because these could simply be sponsored by rich christians. Most would be poor and thus would not have the capability to produce art.

Protestantism contradixt the early Chridtiand

Deal with it

>>2849122
>>>2845575
>for the sake of the acquisition of knowledge

Do not forget that man's fall was caused by pursuing knowledge

>>2849377
The only quote provided that actually criticized icons was the Gnostic Acts of John

Opps

Also, the author I quoted is referring to art prior to AD200

Many catacomb art dates to this time though late 2nd century examples are available

>>2845481
>Jesus wasn't a mudskin

Neither was Muhammed for that matter

>>2849444
Muhammad was an irish man

>>2849452
He was an anime girl.

>>2849239

>Trump: I love the undereducated.

>>2849312

Reminder that Protestants and their bastards have contributed little to civilization.

>>2849410

>admitting to be anti-intellectual

Jesus wasn't his name and he taught other things, like gnosis and such.

>>2845698
Fuck you

>>2845514
>>2845581
>>2845535