India General:

>>2842520
Because general threads are discouraged on this board.

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>>2842520
Elephanta Caves. Made about in the 5th or 6th AD. Simple rock cut architecture and made from a small kingdom long dead.

>>2842526
Why? I've seen Roman/Greek/Mesopotamia threads before.

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>>2842537
Khajuraho Monuments. The Chandela dynasty, who made these temples firmly believed in the Tantric school of thought. The gist of which, is that their needs to be perfect balance between the male and female.

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>>2842554
And here are the statues.

The basic beliefs were that men hold the physical form while women contain the 'energy' or soul if you want to call it. Only together could they reach unity.

Tbh I think it was just a chance to make pornographic statues...

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>>2842571
The Ellora caves. It was one of the first examples in mixing in the expressions of three major sub-religions of the sub-continent: Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism. Not intentionally however. It started out with Hinduism and melted into the other two later.

It started being made around 550 BC and had two eras. The first Hindu phase which was about ~550 BC to a Buddhist phase around 650 BC and a later Hindu and Jain blend phase around 730 BC.

>>2842537
Dunno. The sticky just says they're discouraged.

>>2842571
Those details are amazing!

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>>2842598
The Chittorgarh fort. It's unknown when it was first made but the first time it was attacked was around in the 7th Century AD. It's most memorable moment is when it was besieged by Akbar in the mid-1th century.

He attacked the fort with about around 5,000 men which rapidly grew in the upcoming months to be around sixteen times as much. The Rajputs fought for four months before falling and then being swamped by the hordes as well as all of the Rajput women sudokuing themselves to avoid being raped.

After that Akbar stuck the heads of everyone all around the tower lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Chittorgarh

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>>2842637
another shot

>>2842641
>>2842637
how safe is swimming in that pool

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>>2842630
You'll love this one then. It's my personal favorite

>>2842641
Rani ki vav (Queen's Stepwell) was built as a memorial to the 11th century AD king Bhimdev of the Chaulukya dynasty. It's most commonly assumed it was made by his widowed queen Udayamati.

It has about a length of seven storeys. All of seven of these storeys are carved with around 500 sculptures all together. All of which represent humans, kings, demons and gods with the central theme circling around the ten incarnations of Vishnu.

>>2842662
If you're dying you might as well go for it. Otherwise...

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>>2842673
It's inverted so there's a pool at the bottom for people to chill/worship (it's filthy now tho)

>>2842637
And Akbar is supposed to be the most "progressive" mudslime emperor lmao.

Indian history is very interesting but it's also chaotic as hell and not as well recorded as Chinese history. I need to get into it.

>>2842637
>>2842693
Based Akbar

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>>2842687
The Mahabodhi Temple. It was first made in 250 BC by Emperor Asoka, the first guy to unite all of India, to commemorate the Bodh Gaya. The Bodh Gaya holds...

>>2842693
You gotta think about it from his perspective. He tried persuading them to accept his sovereignty at first peacefully even tho his army kind was vastly larger as well as having guns, cannons and many more war elephants then them. Although the Rajputs were probably better trained independently, getting BTFO was the only card left on the table.

But then they refused so he had to preserve his dignity at getting told to fuck off and attack them.

>>2842700
It is pretty well recorded tho. It's just that a lot of the documents that recorded our BC and early AD is history is gone because of the Turk's (thanks again guys).
For example the Nalanda university got burned down because they wanted to uproot Buddhism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda#Decline_and_end

>>2842738
kek

>>2842735
Anon meant that there's a lot of missing info for India. We still don't know what the Harappan language is for example. Whereas Chinese history is recorded to autistic levels.

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>>2842743
... the Bodhi Tree, which is the tree in which under Buddha gained enlightenment. So you can imagine it's a pretty big deal for Buddhists .

>>2842744
>Anon meant that there's a lot of missing info for India. We still don't know what the Harappan language is for example. Whereas Chinese history is recorded to autistic levels.
Yeah I guess you're right about that desu

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>>2842750
This little area here was the battlefield for the Ashoka (back then he was known as Ashoka the Conqueror) and the Kalinga Kingdom.

He sieged the kingdom with about 70,000 men against another equal amount and ultimately emerged victorious.

But after seeing all of the casualties from the war + the massacre he caused indirectly by his soldiers going berserk on the civilian population caused him to convert to Buddhism where he would spend the rest of his life spreading Buddhism across Asia.

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>>2842743
>Emperor Asoka, the first guy to unite all of India

Looks like he missed a spot.

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>>2842764
Later on he was known as Ashoka the Great.

The patch of gray to the right is what he got.

>>2842768
That's the Tamil kingdoms, right?

>>2842777
didn't want to cause a curry shortage

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>>2842769
The Konark Sun Temple is a Sun Temple created in the 13th-century BC to worship the sun. It was developed by Narasimhadeva I of Eastern Ganga Dynasty.

The temple was been built to represent the giant ornamented chariot of the Sun god, Surya. As you can see on the side there are 2 wheels which are 3 meter long each and are elaborately carved into twelve pairs.

>>2842637
>>2842641
And it's worth remembering the Rajputs only ever had 8,000 soldiers during the entire siege

>>2842764
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinga_War

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>>2843397
The wheels aren't ordinary wheels too. They can also tell the time as well by the spokes of the wheels creating an artistic sundial.

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>>2843406
There are too statues in front of the temple. On top is the lion, after the elephant and then a human.
Priests say it was an attempt to depict human mortality.

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>>2843421

The Temple is partially destroyed now because of two massive magnets that lay on the top and bottom of the temple which helped it float (slightly).

These Konark Temple Magnets which were utilized for the construction of the temple were troubling the Portuguese sailors as the magnetic bars pulled their vessels causing massive damages. In order to combat this they got rid of one of the magnets abstracted out of the temple which caused the temple to lose its balance in the absence of the magnet’s magnetic effects.

oh well.

The temple was made in the Kalinga architecture style so it might be similar.

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>>2842768
>>2842775
Those are the Tamil kings; nobody conquers the Tamil kings.

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>>2843502
Why couldn't they be conquered?

>>2843526
The Tamils made peace with Ashoka and agreed to pay tributes. They were big players in the Indian spice trade at the time so they could afford to get away with it.

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Dumping ancient Indian architecture

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>>2843546

>>2843438
tell me more about magnet wizardry

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>>2843546
>>2843549

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>>2843546
>>2843549
>>2843554

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>>2843546
>>2843549
>>2843554
>>2843559

>>2843526
too irrelevant.

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>>2843546
>>2843549
>>2843554
>>2843559
>>2843565

Why does ancient India seems so marvelous and modern India seems so uh, not?

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>>2843568
>conquering the southern peninsula and having control over the spice trade is irrelevant

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>>2843438
I'll talk about a person now.

Baba Deep Singh was born in about 1682. He started learning weaponry, riding and other martial skills from childhood due to the memory of rampant Mughal oppression still fresh in the SIkh's minds.
In 1757 Ahmad Shah Durrani took advantage of the carcass of the Mughal Empire and invaded the fourth time. The first two invasions were unsuccessful while third partially was with the Marathas inflicting heavy wounds (before they scurried to save their own asses) causing them to promptly leave after looting Delhi a bit.
The fourth one was a more prolonged trip with the intention to loot as much as they could. After coming to Delhi they took as many with a plundered and slaves as they could.

Baba Singh wasn't going to let it that shit fly tho.

Through a series of guerrilla campaigns his soldiers retook most of the 'cargo' that was stolen. Enraged by the loss, Ahmad Shah ordered the GoldenShrine (basically the /K'Bah for Sikh's) to be blown up and the sacred pool filled with the corpses of slaughtered cows. Shah assigned the Punjabregion to his son and left him a force of 10k men under General Jahan Khan.

As soon as BS heard that the Golden Temple had been ravaged, he pulled his dusty old Khanda off the wall and started marching towards Amritsar withabout 500 men. At every village he came across on the way he'd rally a bunch of furious people until he had an army of around 5k.
The improvised 'army' threw themselves at the soldiers and managed to repel them. BS was killed mid-battle and although there's a popular myth about how he continued fighting with no head, what most likely happened was that he was mortally wounded with a blow to the neck, but not completely decapitated so he could still continue fighting.

His death inspired a lot of people and in fifty years time the Sikh's would be the dominant force in Northern India, despite being outnumbered largely in their wars with the Rajputs and Afghans.

A-anybody still here?

>>2843580
they already were receiving tribute from them and had spice ports of their own like barygaza.

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>>2843575
Imperialism, colonialism,

>>2843575
probably because it was a pretty unique and somewhat secluded part of the world at the time and right now you are seeing indians everywhere in the news as A)streetshitters B)Rapists. The 60s were the the last time india was shown somewhat positively in the western world.

>>2843584
Based Sikhs. Maybe there would be no Pakistan today had they defeated the eternally perfidious Anglos

>>2843586
funny because the earlier british company traders went full native for the most part. By the time the EIC started expanding rapidly those officers were being replaced by Nabobs who wanted to make a quick buck and go back home.

>>2843599
the brits would have been curtailed if the marathas had asked for a much harsher peace treaty after the first anglo maratha war. Their operations weren't damaged at all and it was a pretty basic white peace.

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Ancient Indian Chess

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First recorded surgeon who also did plastic surgery in India

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Boddhisatva

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Ancient Indian trigonometry measuring the distance between the earth and the sun. They were off by a few inches by today's standards.

>>2843647
to be fair trig as we know it was an indian invention. It's kinda funny how the terms sine and cosine came into being.

>>2842520
Well, it is 400 CE, not BC.
metallurgically speaking, the impressive fact is not that the artifact is non-corrosive, thats the nice side effect of a beneficial materials combination in the production process.
Whats insane is the size and construction of that thing, like it took the rest of the world a 1100 years to catch up in technology to produce ferro metal pieces of the same size.

India can righteously claim to be the world champion for iron and steel from 300 BC to around 1500-1700 CE.

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>>2843550
Between every two stones an iron plate's been placed.

Massive iron beams have also been used to construct the higher floors of the temple.

A 52-ton magnet was used to create the peak of the main temple. It's said that the
entire structure only tolerated the harsh conditions of the sea (it was made to directly overlook it) for so long is because of this magnet.
So after it was removed well...

>>2843568
* Constantinople/Ka'Bah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh

Also, for every village they stopped at he'd constantly say right before they left
>"Once you step onto this path, you may well give up your head rather than the cause."

Also he was 75 when he kicked it wew.

>>2843610
>the brits would have been curtailed if the marathas had asked for a much harsher peace treaty after the first anglo maratha war.

They would have been curtailed if the Marathas didn't lose the Third Battle of the Panipat, due to thinking they could juggle a hundred or so thousand civilians and fight a trained enemy that outnumbered them without allies.

Seriously. It's when you see that the Durrani's managed to come with thousands of allies despite everything that you finally manage to remember what massive dicks the Maratha's were behind their pan-Hindu crap.

I hate these threads.

>start reading on Indian myths, architecture and history
>get hooked on it, I find them aesthetically perfect
>go to India
>it's a capitalist dystopia

It was disheartening, really.

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The Kerala school of astronomy and mathematics discovered a few of the principles of Calculus about two centuries before Newton:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala_school_of_astronomy_and_mathematics

>>2843680
I-it'll change eventually...

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>>2843664
Geometry as well. Pythagoras is said to travel to India to learn mathematics.
>>2843689
The teachers of this schools are referred to as "Vaidyas". All mathematics can be traced back to India, including algebra. People think of the middle east/islam when they hear algebra, but the math itself predates it in India. Without the number 0, no math can be solved. Without the Indian numerical system, it would be nearly impossible to do math. I would like to see someone add, subtract, divide, or do basic multiplication using roman numerals.

An interesting fact that the Indians invented the number 0 can actually be attributed to Buddhist sutra such as the Heart/Prajnaparamita Sutra where the Bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara explains the phenomenon called "Sunyata" (emptiness).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ooCodjgjkY

>>2843647
>Ancient Indian trig
>Greek writing all over the page

wew

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>>2843736
False

Arabic peoples had their own numerals that utilized counting corners. The numerals shown here for "Arabic" are a later set that replaced their own numerals. North Africa still uses the old set and Europe eventually picked that up

>>2843743
Lmao

I began to admire ancient Indian culture when I read Rene Guenon's book East and West. I finally got it. In Hinduism, there's no antithesis between science and religion. On the contrary, all arts and sciences revolve around religion. For example they needed to build altars, so they studied geometry to construct altars having precise measurements. They needed to clarify the meaning of a certain obscure passage in scripture, so they invented etymology and logic. They needed to find out the most auspicious days for sacrifices, birth, marriages, so they studied astronomy. Etc. the only time in the Western world that has something similar was the Christian Middle Ages. This also debunks atheists who claim that religion is an impediment for scientific progress. Historically we see that it was the contrary.

>>2843647
>>2843743
>>2843751
That's not the paper he was talking about tho. I have no idea why he uploaded it...

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>>2843743
>>2843743
I made a mistake of using trigonometry to measure the distance of the earth to sun. I mean using trigonometry to measure the circumference of the Earth.

Ancient India's contributions in the field of astronomy are well known and well documented. The earliest references to astronomy are found in the Rig Veda, which are dated 2000 BC. During next 2500 years, by 500 AD, ancient Indian astronomy has emerged as an important part of Indian studies and its affect is also seen in several treatises of that period. In some instances, astronomical principles were borrowed to explain matters, pertaining to astrology, like casting of a horoscope. Apart from this linkage of astronomy with astrology in ancient India, science of astronomy continued to develop independently, and culminated into original findings, like:

The calculation of occurrences of eclipses
Determination of Earth's circumference
Theorizing about the theory of gravitation
Determining that sun was a star and determination of number of planets under our solar system
There are astronomical references of chronological significance in the Vedas. Some Vedic notices mark the beginning of the year and that of the vernal equinox in Orion. This was the case around 4500 BC. Fire altars, with astronomical basis, have been found in the third millennium cities of India. The texts that describe their designs are conservatively dated to the first millennium BC, but their contents appear to be much older.

Yajnavalkya (perhaps 1800 BC) advanced a 95-year cycle to synchronize the motions of the sun and the moon.A text on Vedic astronomy that has been dated to 1350 BC, was written by Lagadha.

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>>2843743
>>2843778
In 500 AD, Aryabhata presented a mathematical system that took the earth to spin on its axis and considered the motions of the planets with respect to the sun (in other words it was heliocentric). His book, the Aryabhatya, presented astronomical and mathematical theories in which the Earth was taken to be spinning on its axis and the periods of the planets were given with respect to the sun.

In this book, the day was reckoned from one sunrise to the next, whereas in his Aryabhata-siddhanta he took the day from one midnight to another. There was also difference in some astronomical parameters.

Aryabhata wrote that 1,582,237,500 rotations of the Earth equal 57,753,336 lunar orbits. This is an extremely accurate ratio of a fundamental astronomical ratio (1,582,237,500/57,753,336 = 27.3964693572), and is perhaps the oldest astronomical constant calculated to such accuracy.Brahmagupta (598-668) was the head of the astronomical observatory at Ujjain and during his tenure there wrote a text on astronomy, the Brahmasphutasiddhanta in 628.

Bhaskara (1114-1185) was the head of the astronomical observatory at Ujjain, continuing the mathematical tradition of Brahmagupta. He wrote the Siddhantasiromani which consists of two parts: Goladhyaya (sphere) and Grahaganita (mathematics of the planets).

The other important names of historical astronomers from India are Madhava and Nilakantha.

>>2843773
>ywn live in an organic society

>>2843773
Would you say a lack of classifying things as blasphemous meant Indians were more free thinking.

What acts as a limitation on abrahamic religions is the fear of doing something sinful and therefore a people too scated to think free because they dont want into hell.

>>2843749
>>2843749
Arabic numbers were influenced by Indian numbers. They had to agree upon a single numerical system in order for trade and currency exchange to be met. This numerical system traces back to India. India was the powerhouse of trading in those times because the subcontinent's peninsula surrounded itself around the Indian Ocean as well as the Arabian sea.

>>2842520
P O O
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>>2843669
the marathas raiding bengal also didn't help. The brits exploited the power vaccum in india after panipat which is when they started becoming relevant.
>>2843680
it combines the worst of socialism and capitalism combined. Fucking hell this country wasn't so bad when I was growing up. People were poor but they looked after their own communities and extended familes.

Right now it's a cancerous mix of gibsmedat and burger republican tier "minimum government"

>>2843635
TOO MANY INDIAN NATIONALISTS ITT

ABORT

>>2843807
Good point. In Hinduism (and Buddhism) there is a great tradition of debates. Even atheistic or nastika schools of thought were considered valid. So this freedom must have contributed too.

In medieval scholasticism there was a tradition of debates too, but these were made within very limited confines.

>>2843832
that's actual fact though. Plastic surgery is attested by the gr*eks

>>2842520
/general/ threads need to fucking die

>>2843832
Not him but archaeologists found evidence of teeth having been drilled, dating back 9,000 years to 7000 BC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4882968.stm

This isn't plastic surgery however >>2843635
was wrong as. iirc, the Greeks did it first.

>>2843838
stop trying to revise history to make yourself feel better about being browner than your northern neighbors

>>2843773
https://youtu.be/RBGMlQF-YJ8

>>2843833
I can't help but think that had Gnostic and other so-called heretical sects of Christianity been allowed to flourish, rather than brutally persecuted, the excesses of both religion and secularism could have been avoided in the west.

>>2843841
>the Greeks did it first
doubt.png

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>>2843843
>stop trying to revise history to make yourself feel better about being browner than your northern neighbors
Does every thread have to descend to shitflinging like this?
Not even him/her but I'm not ashamed about anything.

>>2843850
Heraclitus, Aristotle and the Stoics believed that the universe was eternal and underwent periodic cycles of creation and destruction as well. This would have been the dominant cosmological view of the west had it not adopted the Babylonian-Abrahamic worldview that says that the universe was created out of chaos in the beginning by god. Origen however, the first Christian theologian, tried to meme the idea that the destruction of the world talked about in revelation, and subsequent resurrection, was but one moment in an infinite series of cycles or aeons, and all souls currently existing will one day reincarnate, etc. But it was rejected as heresy.

>>2843904
>another greek revisionist

Heraclitus, Aristotle and the Stoics were all influenced by Pythagoras. As mentioned before, Pythagoras traveled to India to learn about Atlantis and in his journey he learned Indian mathematics as well.

>>2843920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras
>After traveling to Egypt, Greece, and possibly India
Stop embarrassing us. It's never confirmed that he went to India.

>>2843920
>Greek revisionist
Where did I imply that Greeks invented the notion? I said that they believed as well. They may or may not have gotten it from India, which is a matter of speculation.

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>>2843920
>Pythagoras traveled to India to learn about Atlantis
WE

>>2843934
>people like this exist
Universal literacy was a mistake

>>2843934
>The noun is from Middle English man, from Old English mann (“human being, person, man”), from Proto-Germanic *mann- (“human being, man”), probably from Proto-Indo-European *mon- (“man”) (compare also *men- (“mind”)). Cognate with West Frisian man, Dutch man, German Mann (“man”), Norwegian mann (“man”), Old Swedish maþer (“man”), Swedish man, Russian мyж (muž, “male person”), Avestan ???? (manuš), Sanskrit मनु (manu, “human being”), Urdu مانس and Hindi मानस (mānas).
The Germanic and English word for man is also the Avestan and Sanskrit word for "human being", and is cognate with "mind". Human beings are those who possess mind according to the conception of the Indo-Europeans.

>>2843934
>and ignore what our teachers wanted us to hear
it was beautiful b8 until then but it got too obvious there

>>2843949
Derived terms Edit
Terms derived from the PIE root *men- (think)


*mn̥-yé-tor (deponent yé-present)
Celtic: *manyetor (see there for further descendants)
Hellenic: *məňňómai?
Ancient Greek: μαίνομαι (maínomai), μνάομαι (mnáomai)
Indo-Iranian:
Indo-Aryan:
Sanskrit: मन्यते (mányate)
Iranian:
Avestan: ????????? (mainiiete)
Old Persian: ??????? (mainyāhay)
*me-món-e ~ *me-mn-ḗr (stative)
*mon-éye-ti (causative)
Italic: *moneō
Latin: moneō
*mn-eh2-sḱé-ti
Ancient Greek: μιμνήσkω (mimnḗskō)
*mén-mn̥ ~ *mn̥-mén-s (“understanding”)
Celtic: *menman (see there for further descendants)
Indo-Iranian:
Indo-Aryan:
Sanskrit: मन्मन् (mánman)
*mén-os ~ *mén-es- (“mind”)
*me-mn-os ~ *me-mn-es-
Italic: *memnos
Latin: memor
*mén-ti-s ~ *mn̥-téy-s (“thought”)
*mén-tro-m
Indo-Iranian:
Indo-Aryan:
Sanskrit: मन्त्र (mántra)

>>2843963
Really made me... think.

>>2843920
>Pythagoras traveled to India

That story is about as credible as the claim that his father was Apollo himself.

>>2843980
What people ignore, willfully or not, is that Greeks made up stories about far away lands like "India" and "Ethiopia" (they couldn't decide whether Ethiopia was in Africa or in Asia though) to legitimize certain narratives. These are the same stories that tell of giant ants and dog-headed people living in these lands. So it went like this. Pythagoras didn't made up all these things out of his imagination. No. He studied in an ancient "secret school" in Chaldea. Oh and also Egypt and India. New agers are still using this same trick to this day.

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>Seemingly balanced, even handed India general

James Mill would be angry.

I wish I had a scanner, I have a few books of Indian art and architecture lying around..

>>2844001
Didn't make*
There's nothing particularly insightful about reincarnation that Pythagoras could have only learned if he had traveled to India. Celts and Thracians also believed in reincarnation.

Now if Pythagoras had taught something more specific like the eightfold path, four noble truths, then yes, it would be undeniable.

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Lets get back on track. Have you guy's heard about the Gupta Empire?

It's credited for being the 'Golden Age' of India due to all the peace and prosperity that was brought it enabled the pursuit of scientific and artistic endeavors.

>Scholars of this period include Varahamihira and Aryabhata, who is believed to be the first to come up with the concept of zero, postulated the theory that the Earth moves round the Sun, and studied solar and lunar eclipses. Kalidasa, who was a great playwright, who wrote plays such as Shakuntala, and marked the highest point of Sanskrit literature is also said to have belonged to this period.

>Chess is said to have originated in this period,[42] where its early form in the 6th century was known as caturaṅga, which translates as "four divisions [of the military]" – infantry, cavalry, elephantry, and chariotry – represented by the pieces that would evolve into the modern pawn, knight, rook, and bishop, respectively.
>The Indian numerals which were the first positional base 10 numeral systems in the world originated from Gupta India.
>Aryabhata, a noted mathematician-astronomer of the Gupta period proposed that the earth is round and rotates about its own axis. He also discovered that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight.

The empire was divided into smaller provinces for each state they conquered and administrative heads were appointed to take care of them.
The locals kings maintained discipline under the guidelines from the Gupta heads and transparency in the bureaucratic process.
Criminal law was mild, capital punishment was unheard of and judicial torture was not practised.

A Chinese monk called Fa Hien called the cities of Mathura and Pataliputra as picturesque with the latter being described as a city of flowers. Law and order reigned, incidents of theft/burglary were rare and people could move around freely according to Fa Hien.

>>2843843
This pakistani always derails threads about India.

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Reminder that South Indians are abos.

>>2842743
No one ever united all of India until the late Mughals or British. Neither was India even a concept at the time.

>>2843920
WUZ

t. Modi

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Heh m8 we wuz Pythagoras n shiet

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>>2844031
>* was brought that it enabled the pursuit of scientific and artistic endeavors.
The Empire constantly fought with the Scythians, Parthian, and Huns- with the Gupta Empire itself defending against a massive invasion from the barbarian Huns/Hunas tribes when they first arrived at the sub-continent.

But as time passed the empire declined due to becoming embroiled with internal conflicts.

The second last ruler ruled it well enough with his son, but later ambitious princes lacked the capabilities of the earlier emperors to rule over such a large kingdom. This resulted in a decline in law and order.
They were also continuously plagued by the attacks of the Huns and other foreign powers. Eventually the Empire disintegrated and the Huns overran some parts of Northern India for three decades before a coalition army booted them out.

However, the collapse of the Roman and Chinese empires at the same time and to branches of the same invaders, perhaps points to something more than just simple decline.

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>>2844046
>>2844070
Abos? You mean Aboriginals or ""Australoids""?
They don't exist anymore.
At best partially for the super dark South Indian's, but nearly everyone is mixed to a certain extent, so pic related is super rare.

The last few ones were hiding away in Sri Lanka but I think they got genocided :(

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>>2844041

>>2842768
>>2842769
I found it funny that:
>Brihadratha, the last ruler of the long declining Mauryan dynasty, was assassinated in 185 BC during a military parade by the general Pushyamitra Shunga, commander-in-chief of his guard, who then took over the throne and established the Shunga dynasty.
>Devabhuti, the last king of the Shunga Empire in ancient India was assassinated by his minister Vasudeva Kanva, who established the Kanvas dynasty after.

It came full circle.

>>2842571
>applying modern thought to ancient actions

>>2843934
>Bava Geta
Wat?

>>2842520
This was made by Greeks. Should probably note that.

>>2844220
>This was made by Greeks. Should probably note that.
Proofs? It seems to be made in the time of the Gupta Empire long after the Greeks.

>>2843736
Your posts seem to ooze nationalism.

>>2843859
>Does every thread have to descend to shitflinging like this?
When the premise of the thread is "look at these guys, and only these guys in here because I think they are so great"

Yeah. it kind of always devolves into that at several points....Might be why they's discouraged wince the mods have plethora of examples of just this kind of thing happening on /int/.

>inb4 that's not what we're saying at all with this thread! We just want to apprecia...etc

Heard it all before, that is what you're doing with this thread or at the very least that is exactly how the people in question perceive you which makes them go "fuck those guys" and makes them start flinging shit.

>inb4 doesn't that describe every thread in one way or another?
Not really no.

When you have a more limited scope its harder to find guys that will shit all over it and start trying to compare their historical dick sizes.

>>2844031
>>2842769
>>2842768
why do all these guys leave the southern tip and Sri Lanka alone?

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>>2842537
>>2842598
>>2843565
>>2843619
Dwarfy.

>>2844243
He is probably mistaken this pillar for another pillar by a Greek embassador that converted to Hinduism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliodorus_pillar

>>2844341
>Three immortal precepts (footsteps)... when practiced
lead to heaven: self-restraint, charity, consciousness
Can we all agree to that?

>>2844307
>When the premise of the thread is "look at these guys, and only these guys in here because I think they are so great"
I made this thread because I really enjoyed the Rome/Mesopotamia generals that occasionally come up and I thought might enjoy knowing a bit more about India barring common knowledge from the past half millennium.
>Heard it all before, that is what you're doing with this thread or at the very least that is exactly how the people in question perceive you which makes them go "fuck those guys" and makes them start flinging shit.
Barring the nationalist who started shitposting about we wuz Greeks and scientists n shieeet, you'd notice most of my posts have been about location, history and occasionally how and what kind of philosophy influenced the area.
>Yeah. it kind of always devolves into that at several points....Might be why they's discouraged wince the mods have plethora of examples of just this kind of thing happening on /int
Yeah I'm not bragging at all. I just never get to talk about this usually on /his/ so I thought a self containment thread would be best.

>>2844316
It's terrain is not easy for warfare. Mountains, rivers, forests and long rainy season made it hard to invade by land in older days before efficient medicine and guns.
They also have a strong martial culture like all other tough terrain territories which doesn't make it easier.

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Pythagoras represents the Eternal Pilgrim for PHILOSOPHIA PERENNIS – the perennial philosophy of life. He is a seeker of truth par excellence. He staked all that he had for the search. He travelled far and wide, almost the whole known world of those days, in search of the Masters, of the mystery schools, of any hidden secrets. From Greece he went to Egypt – in search of the lost Atlantis and its secrets.

In Egypt, the great library of Alexandria was still intact. It had all the secrets of the past preserved. It was the greatest library that has ever existed on the earth; later on it was destroyed by a Mohammedan fanatic. The library was so big that when it was burnt, for six months the fire continued.

Just twenty-five centuries before Pythagoras, a great continent, Atlantis, had disappeared into the ocean. The ocean that is called ‘Atlantic’ is so called because of that continent, Atlantis.

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>>2844431
Atlantis was the ancient most continent of the earth, and civilization had reached the highest possible peaks. But whenever a civilization reaches a great peak there is a danger: the danger of falling apart, the danger of committing suicide.

Humanity is facing that same danger again. When man becomes powerful, he does not know what to do with that power. When the power is too much and the understanding is too little, power has always proved dangerous. Atlantis was not drowned in the ocean by any natural calamity. It was actually the same thing that is happening today: it was man’s own power over nature. It was through atomic energy that Atlantis was drowned – it was man’s own suicide. But all the scriptures and all the secrets of Atlantis were still preserved in Alexandria.

All over the world there are parables, stories, about the great flood. Those stories have come from the drowning of Atlantis. All those stories – Christian, Jewish, Hindu – they all talk about a great flood that had come once in the past and had destroyed almost the whole civilization. Just a few initiates, adepts, had survived. Noah is an adept; a great Master, and Noah’s ark is just a symbol. A few people escaped the calamity. With them, all the secrets that the civilization had attained survived. They were preserved in Alexandria.

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>>2844431
>>2844436
Pythagoras lived in Alexandria for years. He studied; he was initiated into the mystery schools of Egypt – particularly the mysteries of Hermes. Then he came to India, was initiated into all that the brahmins of this ancient land had discovered, all that India had known in the inner world of man.

For years he was in India, then he travelled to Tibet and then to China. That was the whole known world. His whole life he was a seeker, a pilgrim, in search of a philosophy – philosophy in the true sense of the word: love for wisdom. He was a lover, a philosopher – not in the modern sense of the word but in the old, ancient sense of the word. Because a lover cannot only speculate, a lover cannot only think about truth: a lover has to search, risk, adventure.

Truth is the beloved. How can you go on only thinking about it? You have to be connected with the beloved through the heart. The search cannot be only intellectual; it has to be deep down intuitive. Maybe the beginning has to be intellectual, but only the beginning. Just the starting point has to be intellectual, but finally it has to reach the very core of your being.

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>>2844431
>>2844436
>>2844445
He was one of the most generous of men, most liberal, democratic, unprejudiced, open. He was respected all over the world. From Greece to China he was revered. He was accepted in every mystic school; with great joy he was welcomed everywhere. His name was known in all the lands. Wherever he went he was received with great rejoicing.

Even though he had become enlightened, he still continued to reach into hidden secrets; he still continued to ask to be initiated into new schools. He was trying to create a synthesis; he was trying to know the truth through as many possibilities as is humanly possible. He wanted to know truth in all its aspects, in all its dimensions. He was always ready to bow down to a Master. He himself was an enlightened man – it is very rare. Once you have become enlightened, the search stops, the seeking disappears. There is no point.

Buddha became enlightened… then he never went to any other Master. Jesus became enlightened… then he never went to any other Master. Or Lao Tzu, or Zarathustra, or Moses….

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>>2844431
>>2844436
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>>2844455
Hence Pythagoras is something unique. No parallel has ever existed. Even after becoming enlightened, he was ready to become a disciple to anybody who was there to reveal some aspect of truth. His search was such that he was ready to learn from anybody. He was an absolute disciple. He was ready to learn from the whole existence. He remained open, and he remained a learner to the very end. The whole effort was… and it was a great effort in those days, to travel from Greece to China. It was full of dangers. The journey was hazardous; it was not easy as it is today. Today things are so easy that you can take your breakfast in New York and your lunch in London, and you can suffer indigestion in Poona. Things are very simple. In those days it was not so simple. It was really a risk; to move from one country to another country took years.

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>>2844464
By the time Pythagoras came back, he was a very old man. But seekers gathered around him; a great school was born. And, as it always happens, the society started persecuting him and his school and his disciples. His whole life he searched for the perennial philosophy, and he HAD found it! He gathered all the fragments into a tremendous harmony, into a great unity. But he was not allowed to work it out in detail; to teach people he was not allowed. He was persecuted from one place to another. Many attempts were made on his life. It was almost impossible for him to teach all that he had gathered. And his treasure was immense – in fact, nobody else has ever had such a treasure as he had. But this is how foolish humanity is, and has always been. This man had done something impossible: he had bridged East and West. He was the first bridge. He had come to know the Eastern mind as deeply as the Western mind. He was a Greek. He was brought up with the Greek logic, with the Greek scientific approach, and then he moved to the East. And then he learnt the ways of intuition. Then he learnt how to be a mystic. He himself was a great mathematician in his own right. And a mathematician becoming a mystic is a revolution, because these are poles apart.

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>>2844482
And ‘the East and the West’ does not only represent the earth being divided in two hemispheres: it represents your mind too, your brain too. Your brain is also divided in two hemispheres just like the earth. Your brain has an East in it and a West in it. The left-side hemisphere of your brain is the West; it is connected with the right hand. And the right-side hemisphere of your brain is the East; it is connected with the left hand. The West is rightist. The East is leftist. And the processes of both are so different…. The left hemisphere of your mind calculates, thinks, is logical. All science is produced by it. And the right hemisphere of your brain is a poet, is a mystic. It intuits, it feels. It is vague, cloudy, misty. Nothing is clear. Everything is a kind of chaos, but that chaos has its beauty. There is great poetry in that chaos; there is great song in that chaos. It is very juicy. The calculative mind is a desert like phenomenon. And the non-calculative mind is a garden. Birds sing there and flowers bloom… it is a totally different world.

Pythagoras was the first man to try the impossible, AND he succeeded! In him, East and West became one. In him, yin and yang became one. In him, male and female became one. He was an Ardhanarishwar – a total unity of the polar opposites. Shiva and Shakti together. Intellect of the highest caliber and intuition of the deepest caliber. Pythagoras is a peak, a sunlit peak, and a deep, dark valley too. It is a very rare combination.

>>2844464
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>>2844431

BEANS

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>>2844489
But his whole life’s effort was destroyed by the stupid people, by the mediocre masses. These few verses are the only contribution left. These verses can be written on one postcard. This is all that is left of that great man’s effort, endeavour. And this too is not written by his own hand; it seems all that he had written was destroyed.

The day Pythagoras died; thousands of his disciples were massacred and burnt. Only one disciple escaped the school; his name was Lysis. And he escaped, not to save his life – he escaped just to save something of the Master’s teachings. These Golden Verses of Pythagoras were written by Lysis, the only disciple who survived.

The whole school was burnt, and thousands of disciples were simply murdered and butchered. And all that Pythagoras had accumulated on his journeys – great treasures, great scriptures from China, India, Tibet, Egypt, years and years of work – all was burnt.

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>>2844494
Lysis wrote these few verses. And, as it has been the ancient tradition that a real disciple knows no other name than his Master’s, these verses are not called LYSIS’ VERSES – they are called The Golden Verses of Pythagoras. He has not written his name on them.

This has been happening again and again. It happened with Vyasa in India, a great Master. In his name there are so many scriptures that it is impossible that one man could write so many scriptures. It is humanly impossible. Even if one thousand persons wrote their whole lives continuously, then too so many scriptures could not be written. Then what happened? They are all authored by Vyasa – they are not all written by Vyasa but by his disciples. But the real disciple knows no other name than his Master’s. He has disappeared in the Master, so whatsoever he writes, he writes in the name of the Master. So many theories have been evolved by linguists, by scholars, by professors – they think there have been so many Vyasas, many people of the same name. That is all nonsense. There has been only one Vyasa. But down the centuries many people loved him so deeply that when they wrote something, they felt it was the Master writing through them – they signed the Master’s name because they were only vehicles, just instruments, mediums.

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>>2844505
The same happened in Egypt to Hermes: many scriptures, all written by the disciples. And the same happened with Orpheus in Greece, and the same with Lao Tzu in China and Confucius in China.

The disciple loses his identity. He becomes utterly one with the Master. But something of immense value has been destroyed by the stupidity of people.

Pythagoras is the first experiment in creating a synthesis. Twenty-five centuries have passed since then and nobody else has tried it again. Nobody else before had done it, and nobody else has done it afterwards either. It needs a mind which is both – scientific and mystic. It is a rare phenomenon. It happens once in a while.

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>>2844511
There have been great mystics – Buddha, Lao Tzu, Zarathustra. And there have been great scientists – Newton, Edison, Einstein. But to find a man who is at home with both worlds, easily at home, is very difficult. Pythagoras is that kind of man – a class unto himself. He cannot be categorized by anybody else.

The synthesis that he tried was needed, particularly in his days, as it is needed today – because the world is again at the same point. The world moves in a wheel. The Sanskrit word for ‘the world’ is samsara. Samsara means the wheel. The wheel is big: one circle is completed in twenty-five centuries. Twenty-five centuries before Pythagoras, Atlantis committed suicide – out of man’s own scientific growth. But without wisdom, scientific growth is dangerous. It is putting a sword in the hands of a child.

Now twenty-five centuries have passed since Pythagoras. Again the world is in a chaos. Again the wheel has come to the same point – it always comes to the same point. It takes twenty-five centuries for this moment to happen. After each twenty-five centuries the world comes into a state of great chaos.

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>>2844517
Man becomes uprooted, starts feeling meaningless. All the values of life disappear. A great darkness surrounds. Sense of direction is lost. One simply feels accidental. There seems to be no purpose, no significance. Life seems to be just a by-product of chance. It seems existence does not care for you. It seems there is no life after death. It seems whatsoever you do is futile, routine, mechanical. All seems to be pointless.

These times of chaos, disorder, can either be a great curse, as it happened in Atlantis, or they can prove a quantum leap in human growth. It depends on how we use them. It is only in such great times of chaos that great stars are born.

Pythagoras was not alone. In Greece, Pythagoras and Heraclitus were born. In India, Buddha and Mahavira and many others. In China, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Confucius, Mencius, Lieh Tzu, and many more. In Iran, Zarathustra. In the brahmin tradition, many great Upanishadic seers. In the world of Judaism, Moses…. All these people, these great Masters were born at a certain stage in human history – twenty-five centuries ago.

>>2844517
Where are you quoting this from? Newton was at home in both worlds. Also the elites are well versed in the occult. Atheism is for the masses.

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>>2844524
>>2844524
Now we are again in a great chaos, and man’s fate will depend on what we do. Either we will destroy ourselves like the civilization that destroyed itself in Atlantis – the whole world will become a Hiroshima; we will be drowned in our own knowledge; in our own science we will commit suicide, a collective suicide. A few, a Noah and a few of his followers, may be saved, or may not be…. Or, there is a possibility that we can take a quantum leap.

Either man can commit suicide, or man can be reborn. Both doors are open.

If such times can create people like Heraclitus and Lao Tzu and Zarathustra and Pythagoras and Buddha and Confucius, why can they not create a great humanity? They can. But we go on missing the opportunity.

The ordinary masses live in such unconsciousness that they can’t see even a few steps ahead. They are blind. And they are the majority! The coming twenty-five years, the last part of this century, is going to be of immense value. If we can create a great momentum in the world for meditation, for the inward journey, for tranquility, for stillness, for love, for God… if we can create a space in these coming twenty-five years for God to happen to many, many people, humanity will have a new birth, a resurrection. A new man will be born.

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>>2844556
And once you miss THESE times, then for twenty-five centuries again you will remain the same. A few people will achieve enlightenment, but it will remain only for a few people. Here and there, once in a while, a person will become alert and aware and divine. But the greater part of humanity goes on lagging behind – in darkness, in utter darkness, in absolute misery. The greater part of humanity goes on living in hell.

But these moments when chaos spreads and man loses his roots in the past, becomes unhinged from the past, are great moments. If we can learn something from the past history, if we can learn something from Pythagoras…. People could not use Pythagoras and his understanding, they could not use his great synthesis, they could not use the doors that he had made available. A single individual had done something immense, something impossible, but it was not used.

I am trying to do exactly the same again; I feel a very deep spiritual affinity with Pythagoras. I am also bringing you a synthesis of East and West, of science and religion, of intellect and intuition, of the male mind and the female mind, of the head and the heart, of the right and the left. I am also trying in every possible way to create a great harmony, because only that harmony can save. Only that harmony can give you a new birth.

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>>2844001
>giant ants
Marmots, something about the gold digging himalyan marmots lost in translation became ants.

>>2844001
Reminds me of how probably Georgian monks heard about Buddha and thought that he was a cool dude, and obviously that he must have been Christian. So this gave birth to the story of Balaavar and Josaphat, the story of a prince who renounces all his riches to become an hermit, which became extremely popular in Europe and fueled hopes of a Christian kingdom in the East. I have a translation of the story in my language, and they keep saying he's from Ethiopia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlaam_and_Josaphat#

Bump?

>>2844047
>No one ever united all of India until the late Mughals or British. Neither was India even a concept at the time.
The Mauryan Empire did much earlier than either of them. And
>Mughals
They united it for a few decades at most before it fell apart on its own ass.

>>2844321
this pic makes me incredibly happy

>>2846295
INDIA???

A COUTNRY???


LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT...

In the North you had Aryan ubermensch, blonde hair... blue eyes, the whole package" (until they mixed a few decaded ago....)

In the South you had Dravidian monkeys... pure Australoid SUBHUMANS!

This is not a country to y eyes... sorry buddy.

>>2847193
epin

>>2844445
>Pythagoras lived in Alexandria for years.

Pythagoras lvied in a city which didn't exist exit for years?

Impressive feat I must sat... Did he time travel more than two centuries ahead?