Racial Reconciliation

Diversity + proximity = conflict.
Diversity + separation = peace.
It's simple.

>>2832011
But who gets the best land?

Racial tensions are kind of a meme. Seems like everyone is kind of content just keeping everyone else at arm's length. I don't think racial tensions will really come at a boiling point in any meaningful way all else being equal.

>>2832002
I kind of agree, and even when talking about race issues we tend to reduce it to literally a black v white issue. That's the state of race issues today. I think it's a media problem since you have to boil a problem down to its essence in order to communicate through the media and that can either miss the mark or be misinterpreted. I agree a solution would be a spiritual one, since churches (theoretically) aren't invested so heavily in image-based society and as a result you get a good cross-section of society attending them. Another solution, unironically, would be to revolt against consumer society, which may be spiritual, idealist, or materialist (in a philosophical sense).

>>2832011
>Diversity + separation = peace.

This has never been the case in all of human history.

>>2832002
>Blacks tend to get more attention because of slavery.
blacks tend to get more attention today because their current generation is a bunch of fatherless criminals
shit was started to coalesce together nicely before all manufacture exited the USA and urban blacks lost a lot of potential jobs
that and their culture glorifies criminality
>live harmoniously
not even homogeneous countries like japan live completely harmonious existences, look at their NEET and hikkikomori crisis, while not violent it is no sympthom of social harmony
>rofitable race-baiting industry in the US
totally
>God
or just any other ideal, i must admit atheists and secularists have been very bad at creating a replacement for religion which fosters the same sense of community and purpose, but i don't think thinkers should drop the ball on that one since a rational and secular spirituality detached from superstition has less chances to regress into fundamentalism than religions which still maintain bronze age books as a central part of their doctrine

>>2832026
if everyone has good chances to pursue a meaningful life then racial tensions, class tensions, religious tensions, etc... will lessen

Make race mixing compulsory.

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>>2832074
>implying that won't infuriate every race

>>2832089
can't infuriate races if we're all the same race

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>>2832098
That takes generations and things would boil over before it could be completed.

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>>2832101
>things would boil over
doubt it, most people have no interest in a race war

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>>2832106
If they made miscegenation compulsory I bet you that would change.

>>2832111
>getting a qt mixed race gf vs a worldwide racial war
I'll take the gf

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>>2832034
I don't think a shared ideal is possible because every race will interpret differently. One of the primary distinctions between races is how they speak and Black and Whites use English very differently. Any attempt at creating a shared ideal would fail to cross the language barrier in my opinion because even educated Blacks who have full command proper grammar etc... will inevitably still feel that way of speaking is less "authentically Black" than ebonics.

>>2832002
you know when kids are fighting so you separate them?

>>2832034
>>2832232
Not to mention that for sure the less educated Blacks do not see proper English as authentically Black.

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>>2832034
>before all manufacture exited the USA

Literally never happened. Every new year is a historical peak for US manufacturing. Automation just made it inefficient to hire so many people.

Look at the situation whites in South Africa face today. They are being genocided. Look at the escalating terrorism crime and sexual assault in Europe because of the muslims. Even in Latin America where everyone is race mixed the lighter skinned mullatos are still blamed for having too much "privilege".

Separation is the only solution.

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>>2832002
I've reached the point where I no longer feel racial reconciliation is possible.

History has shown that white people just don't give a shit about black people. Most white people fought in the Civil War to preserve the Union rather than free the slaves, desegregation only happened after the US was criticized worldwide for its racial discrimination, most white people viewed MLK as communist troublemaker when he was still live, most white people nowadays view BLM as a terrorist organization, etc.

Regardless of whether or not it is true, most black people view their low status in American society as a result of centuries of discrimination by white people, and thus feel they are owed social justice from white people. The problem is, as illustrated above, that white people just don't give a fuck. Throughout American history, white people have only reluctantly granted equal rights to black people; and when black people have made radical demands for what they believe will bring about true racial equality, such as reparations, such demands have always been angrily rebuffed.

I'm honestly convinced I will see the US descend into racial civil war and be balkanized in my lifetime. Civil war will probably start in one of two ways:

Either people of color will chimp out in response to slow progress towards racial equality; or

White people will chimp out in response to their declining demographic majority or an attempt to implement reparations.

Regardless of who chimps out first, this country is doomed.

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>>2832284
Well said.

>>2832284
I suggest you look into the history of South Africa where the Boers built hospitals for the blacks and advanced them into the modern age with things like clean water and modern infrastructure. Their farming techniques made South Africa the most prosperous African nation and most people enjoyed a high standard of living comparatively, even under apartheid. What did the whites get in return? They are currently being genocided and their black president is calling for their lands to be seized from them.

So don't act like the problem is whites not caring about black people. Even in America we have given these people decades of welfare and affirmative action and they still hate us.

>>2832284
>>2832293
I'm afraid it's a little more nuanced than that. Many White people have consistently shown a concern for Blacks throughout America's history. Men like John Brown are perfect examples of sincere champions for Black people so it is a gross generalization to paint Whites with such a broad brush.

>>2832002
In America at least, it seems like it'd be possible, but it'd take a multi-generational effort, as a lot of the tensions are themselves the result of issues and actions that spanned generations. The soothing of race relations has somewhat plateaued in America because most of the "hard" racism - Jim Crow Laws, open support for racism, being able to openly say nigger - has mostly been dealt with, making it superficially seem like everything's fine. Problem is, the "soft" racism remains - everything from dogwhistle policies that unfairly target certain groups to subtle behavioral/cultural biases - and that's a much harder issue to solve. Unlike the "hard" racism, it's a lot harder to even convince people not directly impacted by it that it's a real issue, even if you can get actual hard evidence for it. Worse, solutions are often very complicated - at best, it's policy reform, and at worst, it's trying to enact a shift in cultural attitudes.

Recently, what's made things so bad in America is the whitewashed means of teaching the Civil Rights Movement in schools giving the impression that racism has been solved and things are all better, along with the generation that took part in the Civil Rights Movement dying off, leaving people who don't really remember what it was like. So there's an increasingly big disconnect between those who are and who aren't affected by racism made worse by one side not even realizing there's still a problem.

Long term, the globalization of society seems like it'll make it better, but it's going to be a neverending process, at least until some other bias takes the forefront.

>>2832034
>NEET and hikkikomori crisis
I'd take that over the failed idea of multiculturalism any day.

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>>2832342
Shut up kike

>>2832357
He sounds Black actually.

>>2832357
>>2832358
Obama specifically.

>>2832358
There's no difference at this point. Blacks can't think for themselves so they just spout whatever their Jewish masters tell them about how THEY WAS KANGZ AND SHIT meanwhile there still isn't a single decent majority black country on earth and blacks still murder rape and enslave each other constantly in their own countries.

>>2832342
Can we agree that proper English is the only way to the US Govt can communicate on a national level?

If so, do you really think it is possible to convince uneducated Blacks that the US Govt has their best interests at heart?

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>>2832369

Niggers have literally NEVER and I repeat NEVER created a decent civilization in history. They are still living in mud huts to this day in Africa meanwhile the shining achievements of the black community in America can be seen in wonderful cities such as Detroit and Baltimore.

Can't wait for this race war to get started.

The great Generation X was solving US race issues, but Millennials are just too stupid and cowardly to deal with equality, so they've reverted the hard work since the Civil War. This reversion began after 2008. So much for hope and change.

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>>2832358
Actually a white guy from Baltimore, so I guess I could be considered an honorary negro.


>>2832321
>Even in America we have given these people decades of welfare and affirmative action and they still hate us.
And there's been plenty of policies that have seemingly gone out of their way to keep minorities down. Just off the top of my head, the War on Drugs has had a massively disproportionate impact on blacks, even to this day, and in many ways has contributed to the ghetto culture. There's been plenty of dogwhistle racist policies that target minorities in subtle ways without being overtly racist. And outside of the walking-strawmen BLM activists, I'm not sure what you're talking about with the hate. On both sides of the spectrum, there doesn't seem to be hate so much as general distrust due to ignorance, at least when you ignore the openly racist white nationalists/black extremists.

>>2832376
>Can we agree that proper English is the only way to the US Govt can communicate on a national level?
For the time being, definitely. I'm from an area with a huge korean immigrant population, and the non-assimilation of a lot of them is pretty infuriating. Cultural preservation is fine and can be pretty nice (Korean food is pretty good), but refusing to assimilate at all and expecting your new home to accommodate you is retarded.

>>2832388
>So much for hope and change.

In other words you think the Obama administration was solving US race issues?

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>>2832280
This. There's no need to establish an outright black homeland but predominantly black areas with their own representation, mebbe separate them from cities proper? So, case in point, if the east side of town is mostly black then that side of town is incorporated as a new city or township or something so they have more control of their own destinies and affairs.

>yes, I'm aware it kills tax base and thus education and services
>no, I don't care

Or we can do this
>>2832248
which is largely true. New jobs will come about, most likely, but we're entering a period wherein automation is going to destroy so many jobs and not just in manufacturing. Prepare for office jobs staffed by negresses to disappear as expert systems and automation of office tasks gets better. Don't get me wrong, whites will also face dramatically declining employment prospects.

Should be a blast, so long as you're on the right side of the automation trend. Law and order, the comfy middle class existence we all enjoyed growing up, that shit's going away.

Should be interesting. My only real worry about it is if the un/underemployed masses go full retard and elect a Bernie type or worse to redistribute wealth. Worse than peaceful elections and government regulation, we might get EFF and Julius Malema style "economic justice" movements which brings me to
>>2832284
I'll happily grab my guns, round up my friends, and fight to keep the USA from becoming another failed socialist shithole. We all know what happens when "minorities" agitate for social and economic justice enough and start electing socialists.

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>>2832391
So you believe Black people see you as a "honorary negro?"

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>>2832388
Put it really stupidly, but you're kind of right. Everyone was taught growing up that MLK saved black people from the racists through nonviolent protest and everything got better. Unfortunately, that whitewashes out a lot of the realities of the Civil Rights Movement, particularly all the violence and extremists that were crucial to the Movement's success.

And thanks to this whitewashed portrayal of the Movement that everyone grew up learning, people get the impression that the issues that exist now somehow aren't valid because they're not like what they learned. Worse, they get the idea that anything but the whitewashed versions of MLK's protests are somehow invalid.

>>2832396
He definitely did more for race relations than most recent presidents, although he definitely could have done better. In particular, it was a retarded move to decide the Travyon Martin Killing was going to be their hill to die on.

>>2832391
The only reason it has a disproportionate effect is because they commit significantly more crime violent and non violent. I've never even understood how this is argument. Poor whites commit less crime than poor blacks in the same income bracket.


The vast majority of niggers will simply never assimilate into this country.

>>2832388
>>2832396
*supposed to solve

>>2832411
It was a joke, you retard.

>>2832321
I'm fully aware of the situation in South Africa. I would agree that one of the obstacles to racial reconciliation is that black people blame white people for everything wrong in their lives and demand reparations instead of self-determination. That's sort of what I was getting at when I said that white people may chimp out in response to reparations. It would be justified response to a "solution" that would unfairly burden all white people. However, don't try to pretend that white people dindu nuffin and that we have never fucked over black people; a lot of the hate is indeed justified.

>>2832336
Many white people have shown "concern" yes, but how many white people would be willing to lay down their lives for black people like John Brown did? Many white people risked their lives during the civil rights movement too, but you can look at opinion polls from the time, and most white people viewed MLK as a communist and believed black people were being too "demanding". There's been a few exceptional white people who risked their lives for black people in American history, but by and large, white people did nothing but voice "concern" at best, and didn't give a fuck at worst.

>>2832402
LOL what is your solution for your automation and AI replacing 75% of the work? Bernie Sanders or no gibsmedats for all is coming if only to prevent the poor from eating the rich in an episode of global baboonery.

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>>2832416
>Obama did more for race relations than other presidents

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>>2832422
Unfortunately it's hard to tell in the post-Dolezal era.

>>2832426
In a democracy voicing your concern by voting is doing quite a bit actually... or at least it used to be.

>>2832417
>The only reason it has a disproportionate effect is because they commit significantly more crime violent and non violent
Not necessarily. The Drug War is a good example with the way the laws are enforced. Back during the crack epidemic, enforcement practices started to put an emphasis on heavy enforcement and high sentencing for crack related violations, while sentencing and enforcement for similar offenses with cocaine were comparatively low. The problem there is that crack disproportionately affected poor black communities, whereas cocaine was more popular in richer white communities.

There's similar trends today with opiods. Although opiod abuse is a massive looming problem, it's not being enforced as stringently as the "hard" drugs that hit inner cities so hard.

Arguably, these present more of a class issue than a pure race one, but even if it's not the intended effect, you can have demographic impacts spanning generations with things like that.

Then there's also things like blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be arrested/convicted/sentenced higher for similar drug charges.

>>2832402
>I'll happily grab my guns, round up my friends, and fight to keep the USA from becoming another failed socialist shithole. We all know what happens when "minorities" agitate for social and economic justice enough and start electing socialists.

Well that proves my point doesn't it? At some point, white people are going to start revolting if they feel they've ceded too much power. Similarly, I feel it's just as likely that minorities may revolt if they feel white people are going fuck them over again or if they grow impatient with gradual social change. The whole point of my post was that it doesn't matter which racial group is "right", some group is going to chimp out at some point and it will start a cycle of violence that plunges the US into civil war.

>>2832429
More than recent ones, you illiterate nigger.

Raygun loved his war on drugs, Clinton loved heavy sentencing, and both Bushes didn't really seem to do anything good or bad either way. And it's a bit too early to say for Trump, but given that he's had a very vocal following of unabashed racists, I'm not too hopeful for him helping race relations at all.

>>2832439
>In a democracy voicing your concern by voting is doing quite a bit actually... or at least it used to be.

Yup, how's our democratic norms holding up lately? We're at the point where both the right and left are forming armed gangs. We're not that far from Weimar Republic-style street violence.

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>>2832427
Move as much wealth as you can into safe havens outside the reach of the US government, avoid taxation and redistributive schemes as much as possible, relocate corporate headquarters and use telecommuting/contract employment to avoid employment regulations and taxation even further.

As to those left behind... maybe we don't need them. Maybe, something could be done about the huge swathes of humanity that are no longer useful. In the 1970's, the US State Department considered spiking food aid with birth control. Granted, that was to prevent suffering and starvation but the Green Revolution averted all of that and gave us... masses of human beings with no business being on this Earth who continue to consume more food aid.

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Blacks aren't entitled to a single thing me or my ancestors built. For all this talk about how racist whitey is you niggers sure do love to live in close enough proximity to me to take my tax dollars. Sick and tired of this shit. Everyone wants to live in white countries but then scream about how racist we are.

Day of the rope fucking when?

>>2832442
I think the possibility of civil war hinges entirely the loyalties within the US military. Our first Civil War was only possible because there was enough regional Southern support already within the Army. I don't see an analogue to that today unless you think the entire military would balkanize along racial lines. That seems unlikely honestly and if they remain loyal to the federal gov't then a civil war would never get off the ground.

>>2832456
>>>/pol/

>>2832447
I feel like that has been happening for a long time though. From what I've seen the current political demonstrations are nothing compared to the Anti-Vietnam War movement. If things didn't ignite then it seems we still have a long way to go.

>>2832396
By "so much for..." I meant how people thought having a black president is automatically some kind of victory that would solve those issues. Basically, I think people switched from not wanting to be racist to not wanting to look racist, more and more, which makes diversity look like a sham. I don't know if the Presidency itself solved things or not but on the other hand he also made minorities look like leeches just by letting them be. All this makes people who believe in equality look weak.

There's also the decline of multiracial values such as the Bro Code and discipline.

Or maybe I'm just rambling.

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>>2832450
lel everyone is just going to eat food that will sterilize them in peace

You'll be in for a rude awakening when the masses take to the pitch forks and all those nice soldiers and policemen won't come to protect you because their families are all eating food that is turn them sterile...

>>2832474
Yeah people seem to forget just how bad things were in the '60s. There were campus uprisings complete with armed protestors seizing buildings and everything.

>>2832440
Do you know who demanded Draconian punishment for crack? Black community leaders themselves. Not the crypto racists at the department of Justice.

Because crack was no joke.

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>>2832484
No I hear what you're saying and I think that perception of weakness is perpetuated by race-baiting media.

>>2832487
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. . .

>>2832495
indeed, crack is whack.

>>2832457
I think one thing to consider is that for many within the US military, the idea of killing fellow Americans would be unfathomable. If the US military were ordered to fight against American insurgents, it's possible that many troops would refuse to carry out such an operation. I also think it's possible the military could balkanize along racial lines. If a revolt is first initiated by conservative, rural whites, many white people in the US military would feel sympathetic towards them and may join them. If a revolt is first initiated by non-whites, many non-whites in the military would also feel sympathetic and may join them.

But really, I don't feel a second civil war would resemble the first civil war. It would probably take the form of an insurgency which would then escalate until the conflict resembles Yugoslavia and Syria.

>>2832474
While violent protests and riots were certainly common during the 60s, to me the current growth of organizations such as Antifa and the Proud Boys resembles the growth of the Rote Front and the Freikorps during the Weimar Republic rather than organizations that popped up during the 60s such as the Black Panthers and the white Citizen Councils.

It can also be argued that the gradual decline of trust in American institutions and the middle class that began in the 60s has also cumulated in the decay of our current era.

>>2832002
No, and here is my opinion why.

First off I'll start by pointing out that by "racial reconciliation" you must certainly mean racial reconciliation with blacks and to a certain extent hispanics. I'm sure you're not talking about third generation japanese immigrants, as they are already pretty reconciled with the white majority.

Now the reason why racial reconciliation is impossible is because there will always exist large social differences between the different races, in terms of income, educational attainment, etc., due to the ingrained genetic differences between the races which causes some of them to have a lower average IQ than others.

Asians are already pretty reconciled with the white majority because asians have a high average IQ and therefore do not behave in antisocial ways. Blacks, on the other hand, have a low average IQ and therefore commit a lot of crime, are poor, are a general nuisance really. And despite all the good intentions in the world from white liberals, at the end of the day nobody wants to live in the dangerous, derelict part of town.

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>>2832526
Good post.

>>2832456
you brought it on yourself you dumb americunt

can't wait for 'murrica to go in flames

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>>2832537
Good post.

>>2832526
>I'm sure you're not talking about third generation japanese immigrants, as they are already pretty reconciled with the white majority.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm so sick of this "Asian are our greatest allies" meme.

If you want to be red-pilled, go take a look at /r/AsianAmerican, /r/asianmasculinity, /r/AZNIdentity, /r/hapas, or literally any blog devoted to Asian-Americans.

Asians fucking hate us too. While first-generation immigrants generally try to keep their head down and build a new life for themselves in America, their kids have all been brainwashed by critical theory. Young Asian-Americans now believe that everything wrong in their lives is whitey's fault, and they now want to work with other non-whites in putting us up against the wall.

I dunno but all I'm sayin is japan seems like a really convenient place to be japanese.

>>2832524
I don't see how you can compare Antifa with Proud Boys considering one is a multinational movement and the other is Gavin Mcinnes' drinking buddies.

>>2832548
That's true, but I was more talking from the perspective of whites accepting asians, not asians accepting whites.

But let's be honest I live in the Bay Area and at the end of the day whites and asians mingle a lot.

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>>2832548
Those blogs represent the fringe honestly; most Asians and Whites get along.

The effects of miscegenation are terrifying however: https://longingfordeath.wordpress.com/

>>2832552
That makes sense.

>>2832556
>At the end of the day whites and asians mingle a lot.

I really don't feel "mingling" is enough to prevent ethnic conflict. It's perfectly possible to be friends with someone of a different ethnic group and still have a negative opinion of their ethnic group as a whole. Just look at the amount of non-whites who bitch about "micro aggressions" from their white friends, and the amount of white people who will say to their black friends that they're "not like other black people".

Making friends with someone of an ethnic group can aid in understanding, but understanding in of itself is not enough to prevent conflict. It's possible for Israelis and Palestinians to be friends with each other, but a Jew being friends with an Arab wouldn't be enough to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

>>2832568
>Those blogs represent the fringe honestly; most Asians and Whites get along.

Sure right now, but as the older generation of Asians dies off and the younger generation that is currently being brainwashed by critical theory comes to feel they are owed reparations from whitey, what's going to happen then?

/r/asianmasculinity, /r/hapas, and /r/aznidentity are fringe admittedly, but it's not hard to find Asian-Americans crying about white people in the national media.

>>2832555
Proud Boys is growing in size and it's already spawning off-shoots such as Based Stickman's Alt-Knights. While obviously they're not as large as antifa, they seem indicative of a growing belief on the right that the political violence of antifa needs be countered by political violence by the right. And when both sides believe political violence is justified, that usually foretells the start of a civil war.

>>2832602

I've literally never met any Asian that bitches about hating white people except in a joking manner, like "how did this retard get into the same med school as I did".

Just because you hate other races doesn't mean other races hate you.

>>2832582

> Ethnic conflict is not bullshit stirred up by your betters to distract you from the fact that they are fucking you in the ass.

Socioeconomic status dictates who you are far more than your race, especially in a country like America. A poor white man has far more in common than a poor black man than a rich white man. A rich Asian has far more in common with a rich Black man than a poor Asian.

Ethnic conflict provides a target for the lower class to project their resentment onto, rather than going after the real culprits. "Hey we just cut your healthcare, but look that way, niggers are coming to rape your women", "Sure you might be poor white trash because we shipped the factories to Bangladesh, but hey, at least you are better than your spic neighbor".

>>2832662
I don't disagree with anything in your post actually, I never said ethnic conflict is a good thing. But the fact that people keep falling for the racism meme suggests to me that ethnic conflict is going to keep happening and class consciousness isn't going to end racism anytime soon.

>>2832662
>Socioeconomic status dictates who you are far more than your race, especially in a country like America. A poor white man has far more in common than a poor black man than a rich white man. A rich Asian has far more in common with a rich Black man than a poor Asian.
Poor whites have a lot more in common than poor blacks tho...

>>2832426
Are you calling for whites to bend over or to act as personal warriors for blacks?

>>2832792
Neither really. I think that white people should be humble (without taking it to the point of self-flagellation) and admit that we fucked over a lot of people in the past instead of claiming that we dindu nuffin. And I think even if you believe that the shitty situation of non-whites is caused largely by genetic factors, you can't deny that environmental factors such as the legacy institutional racism is also a factor.

At the same time, I believe white people should push back against any claim that the history of American is nothing but white people fucking over non-whites and that non-whites dindu nuffin. For instance, we should keep pointing out African participation in the slave trade, the number of white people who died in the Civil War that gave slaves their freedom, the massacres Native Americans committed against settlers, etc. If any non-white says you don't have a right to comment on racial issues because you're white, they should be told to fuck off.

I take the attitude that black people are our fellow citizens, and a nation has a duty to help its least-privileged citizens. But at the same time, black people need to stop blaming white people for every ill in the life and develop self-determination similar to what Booker T. Washington and Malcolm X advocated.

To be honest, I find it hard to articulate how race relations should work in this country because I currently feel like I'm in this weird situation where I've swallowed a lot of red pills, but I still believe in social justice and feel that critical theory is mostly correct.

>>2832858
>you can't deny that environmental factors such as the legacy institutional racism is also a factor.
You can, actually.

>>2832901
Well sure, but you'd also be wrong.

>>2832910
Burden of proof is on you

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>>2832858
>believe in social justice and feel that critical theory is mostly correct.
almost read your wall-text, good thing I look at the last sentences/paragraphs from time to time

>>2832858
>we
>we
>we
I don't remember fucking over any black during my lifetime. Why do the sins of my ancestors carry on to me, especially when the sin comes from the fact me and my ancestors kibd of look like Anglo-Saxons even though me and my ancestors have been a ragdoll kicked about by two world powers during most of our history?

>>2832993
Well that just shows you're a lazy idiot who shouldn't bother to post on this board because if you had read the rest of this post, you'd see that I agree that black people should stop blaming white people for every ill in their life.

>>2832993
Nobody is saying that you have to feel guilty for any sins your ancestors may have committed. If you feel a sense of guilt, that's all in your head. My point was more that the poor situation of black people is at least partly due to their institutional racism they experienced in the past, wealth carries over from generations, and any effort to eliminate racial disparities has to account at least partly this fact. At the same time, reparations are a poor solution because it implies white people's wealth was entirely illegitimate. White people had an advantage, but they still worked hard.

>>2832002
>Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates. Selfish and traitorous strategies are self-limiting because such agents do not cooperate with agents sharing the same genes. Traitorous strategies fare even worse than selfish ones because traitors are exploited by ethnocentrics across group boundaries in the same manner as humanitarians are, via unreciprocated cooperation. By tracking evolution across time, we find individual differences between evolving worlds in terms of early humanitarian competition with ethnocentrism, including early stages of humanitarian dominance. Our evidence indicates that such variation, in terms of differences between humanitarian and ethnocentric agents, is normally distributed and due to early, rather than later, stochastic differences in immigrant strategies.

>However, there is also evidence that ethnocentrism is common throughout a diverse range of animal (Chase 1980) and even plant (Dudley & File 2007; Runyon, Mescher & De Moraes 2006) species. Such evidence suggests that ethnocentrism may be rooted in biological evolution, and that its essential cognitive component is quite simple: the ability to distinguish in- vs. out-group members and select different behaviors based on that distinction. A striking example from red fire ants is that queens without a particular gene are detected and killed at birth by worker ants (Keller & Ross 1998).

http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

https://archive.fo/uw70r

>>2833137
>Using survey data from the European Social Survey 2002–2010 merged with immigration figures from the European Labour Force Survey, this study builds upon previous research by testing the relationships between various diversity indicators and social trust in cross-sectional and longitudinal perspective. In addition, it investigates the role of economic and cultural contexts as moderators. The results show that across European regions, different aspects of immigration-related diversity are negatively related to social trust. In longitudinal perspective, an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust. Tests of the conditional hypotheses reveal that regional economic growth and ethnic polarization as a cultural context moderate the relationship. Immigration growth is particularly strongly associated with a decrease in social trust in contexts of economic decline and high ethnic polarization.

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/576371/summary

https://archive.fo/rMj9H

>Individuals face a trade-off between cultural and economic incentives: an individual prefers to maintain his cultural practices, but doing so can inhibit interaction and economic exchange with those who adopt different practices. We find that a small minority group will adopt majority cultural practices and integrate. In contrast, minority groups above a certain critical mass, may retain diverse practices and may also segregate from the majority. The size of this critical mass depends on the cultural distance between groups, the importance of culture in day to day life, and the costs of forming a social tie. We test these predictions using data on migrants to the United States in the era of mass migration, and find support for the existence of a critical mass of migrants above which social structure in heterogeneous populations changes discretely towards cultural distinction and segregation.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8011

https://archive.fo/mPYHu

>>2833138
>Studies demonstrate a negative association between community ethnic diversity and indicators of social cohesion (especially attitudes towards neighbours and the community), suggesting diversity causes a decline in social cohesion.

>Using an indicator of affective attachment, the findings suggest that changes in community diversity do lead to changes in attitudes towards the community. However, this effect differs by whether the change in diversity stems from a community increasing in diversity around individuals who do not move ( stayers ) or individuals moving into more or less diverse communities ( movers ).

>Increasing diversity undermines attitudes among stayers.

https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/32/1/54/2404332/Does-Ethnic-Diversity-Have-a-Negative-Effect-on

https://archive.fo/MZRMZ

>>2833141
And there's one more, from a previously hardcore leftist

>Putnam claims the US has experienced a pronounced decline in "social capital," a term he helped popularize. Social capital refers to the social networks -- whether friendships or religious congregations or neighborhood associations -- that he says are key indicators of civic well-being. When social capital is high, says Putnam, communities are better places to live. Neighborhoods are safer; people are healthier; and more citizens vote.

>But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."

>"People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to 'hunker down' -- that is, to pull in like a turtle," Putnam writes.

http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

https://archive.fo/K5QVb

So there, you don't have to be just "skeptical" anymore.

>>2833158
Saved your shit. Thanks.

>>2832427
There is no solution. Not on a societal scale. Get your assistance some rural land and survival training because the attempts to fix the automation crisis will be socialist failures and we'll have Venezuela all over the place.

>>2832858
Here's the thing. It's partially because of institutional racism, but if you remove that, you still have the same results more or less. At the end if the day blacks and whites have a genetically different predisposition towards aggression, violence, delayed gratification and modes of thinking.

Not talking superior/inferior, because many factors are worth considering in many possible ratios to be "superior." But the difference is real and inherent.

>>2832002
>In particular the tensions between Whites and Blacks
Which Whites? Irish? Italians? Russians? Romanians? English?

Treating "White" as one group of people is erroneous. Black is different as most Blacks in America are part of the same ethno-cultural group but now that we have more immigration from sub-Saharan Africa even that isn't true anymore.

>>2833482
I'm not denying that genetic factors may play an important role (I'm fully aware that black men on average higher levels of testosterone for instance), but what I can't agree with is those who use genetic factors as an excuse to say that environmental factors don't matter or that it's completely pointless to try to bring about racial equality.

The reason why I feel why we can't give up on trying to achieve racial equality is because it's important for the stability of the country. There's been research which suggests that countries which have economically marginalized ethnic minorities are more prone to domestic terrorism. Unless you're an accelerationist who's itching for The Happening to occur so that you can finally establish a white ethno-state, telling black people to go fuck themselves would only lead to more chimp-outs.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/jap45/Piazza%20Poverty%20Minority%20Economic%20Discrimination%20and%20Domestic%20Terrorism%20JPR.pdf

>>2833430
If attempts to alleviate automation via UBI will lead to Venezuela tier crisises what do you suppose the laissez faire approach where everbody will buy guns and go innawoods to fight battles over large plots of automated farmland will look like?

>>2832932
Actually it's on both of you.

>>2832002
>Reconciliation
who would reconcile, as of current the liberal elites want to push the poor who never benefited from slavery and racism to reconcile for sins their ancestors neve committed, while them themselves are descended from slave owners and real racists.

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>tfw Blacks and Whites will go full "Helter Skelter" and Asians, Latinos, and Native Americans will be caught in the middle

both of you cunts better not assume we'll automatically be one of your "allies"

>>2833647
in the U.S. there are no "Irish, Italians, Russians, Romanians"

there is "Irish Americans, Italian Americans, and Russian Americans"

theirs no way an "Italian American" would be able to sympathize with a black the same way he would with a "Irish American"

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>>2835114
>implying those three groups won't unite in their common asian heritage and go full steppe nigger on the great plains of the Midwest
It's bonafide mullatos like me who are truly up shit's creek.

>>2835114
if gang politics are any indication of what would happen in an all out race war, whites and latinos would work together against blacks

>>2835145
>you will live to see roving gangs of mounted Mongols, Vaqueros, and Dog Soldiers hunt down black panthers and neo-nazis

that founds fucking amazing

>>2835155
drug dealing cholos who were born in the U.S. and illegal immigrants with 2 jobs who are afraid whites will have them or their family members deported have next to nothing in common

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>>2833779
sounds mad as heck desu

brb gonna go max out my credit card on bulk chink 7.62x39 and start welding jungle gym equipment to my car

>>2835184
they have their race in common and if things ever really did pop off the cholos would probably boss the paesanos around because they have more guns and are more loco

>>2835114
So what are you going to do when The Happening occurs anon?

>>2835209
>and are more loco
cholos are fucking pussies tb.h

>>2835216
die in the crossfire

>>2835222
how many southsiders do you know anon? have you been locked up before?

>>2835226
>how many southsiders do you know anon?
grew up around them, schools were full of 'em

but my cousin was a King

>>2835230
how often did you tell them they were pussies?

>>2835237
couple times.

>>2835242
where you from?

>>2835251
westside of Chicago

>>2835254
fuck chicago

Blacks are like 10% of the population and are already given an inproportionate amount of attention and welfare.
The reason they are not satisfied, and CANNOT ever be satisfied, is because they have been intrinsically asked to accept a minor position in the society which they are apart of. This is reasonable since they are only 10% of the population, but to them it feels like they have no control or say over the institutions.
First of all let's be clear, the existing power structure has bent over backwards to accommodate blacks and other minorities, leading to affirmative action and the related absurdities of racial bean-counting in higher education and almost any relevant institution.
It's still not enough. It can never be enough because they don't want a lesser position.
The only way this changes is when whites become a smaller and smaller percentage of the population, but when that happens, the change will be more strife. As the level of power equals out, the struggle for control will become more open and violent, and this is the fate of all multicultural societies. There must be a dominant culture, and one will always arise.

>>2835258
yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCN9lLZFd2Q

>>2835265
whoah an unaffiliated basehead! dang homie thats some real grimy shit!

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>>2835295
shit man that was just for laughs

the reality is fucked up

>>2835303
haha so you like a joker then i gotcha haha good one

>>2832011
Both are conflict dude
Human=Conflict

>>2833779
I'm not saying its a good path. I'm saying it's the only one.

>>2832388
But Gen X voted for Trump

>>2832391
How does war on drugs have anything to do with blacks? we do the same thing in Asia and perhaps much brutal, its instant death penalty here

What are your thoughts on the future of human transgenesis where future humans would have the best genes of all different races.

>Take intelligence gene (ABCDE) from Asians
>Take intelligence gene (FG) from Whites
>Take athelete genes from Africans
>Take neoteny genes from Asians

Mix them together to create super humans?

>>2832002
When the US cultural grip over the whole world ends nobody will give a shit anymore because it is something that only people in that country care about.

It was a non-issue in Europe until all the refugee shit started to go down like 2 years ago, but it would of been a completely different issue if you didn't had media already used to race-baiting taking advantage of the ignoramus that make up the vast majority of the population.

>>2832427
>>2832450
You both do realize that when automation grows we move closer and closer to a post-labor economy. The current model/way of thinking won't even apply.

Also please stop this overpopulation meme. Less people is never a good solution to anything - morally or rationally.

>>2837585
>disease appears
>oh boy we're all dead now

>>2837629
>disease appears
>post-disease society with genetic manipulation technology
Is this a zen haiku? Gateless gate? Nameless name?

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>>2837636
>post-disease society

We might as well assume we're all immortal, can fly faster than light and have colonized the whole of the milky way while we're at it.

>>2837643
>hyperbole

>>2837645
Hey man if you get to use sci-fi as an argument I do as well.

And we aren't even arguing yet.

>>2837648
Genetic manipulation is not a scifi argument lol. Are you retarded? Gene manipulation to cure disease is at the forefront of medical science right now. Gene transplant is however on the backtable due to it being more controversial.

Neither are "sci-fi arguments".

america is just fucked at this point

>>2837654
Gene manipulation is not sci-fi, but a post-disease society definitely is.
Just because we are investigating and we can cure some diseases trough it doesn't mean it's the end-all solution to sickness, especially because biological diseases are rather effective at evolution.

Besides, even if we could cure a disease, it takes months or years to do so, even with genetics, and if we get a pandemic disease that spreads faster than fire because all humans are very similar genetically then at the least we are looking at a very severe worldwide crisis.

Species with high genetic symmetry are weak. It's the usual cuck argument, but diversity is in fact a great advantage.

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>>2837627
It's hard discussing anything here without people spazzing out and writing nonsensical bullshit they just pulled out their ass.

>>2837661
Not really.

If we can just all forget about now and see things from an other perspective, we will see that this issue is part of the period that we live in now. Like when the Egyptians were Gods and they had hebrews/jewish as servant. We are suppose to be concerned and worried about it but in some years or centuries this will be a memory from the past. We should concentrate on things that we can solve in our life, our happiness and all. I understand your concern but patience is the solution even tho we can still make a little change for the better every day.

>>2837665
Your argument for why post-disease is not possible is because its currently not doable. Kinda weak given that technological advances have made these types of argument flawed given the rapid change in technology.

Don't get me wrong, it would be perfectly valid argument 200 years ago. But for today's world any argument that relies on today's rule to descibe a year from now on technological matters is flawed.

>who would need more than 540k memory?
>who would carry around their entire computer on their pocket?
>we can't even make a decent 8 bit graphics, what makes you think 32 bit graphics are the future?
etc

These are arguments from unchanging world.

>>2837688
As long as it doesn't discourage research into the matter, there's nothing wrong with questioning.

You shouldn't plan for the future relying on something that you aren't sure you'll have. It's better to use today's limitation as your basis, and if you get the extra thing afterwards great, but if you don't you won't be fucked.

Then again this all implies that race mixing is something anyone can control.

>>2837713
>Implying it can't be to a large extent.

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>>2837956
I bet you would know, wouldn't you?

>>2832548
>if you look at asian shitlibs and commies they all suck
this the opposite version of "muh based black man in a Trump hat"

>>2832625
A bunch of scrawny hipsters and fat neckbeards duking out petty shitfights in the street is hardly comparable to a civil war. Most sporting event riots cause way more damage than antifa and blm could ever aspire to

>>2832858
>I still believe in social justice and feel that critical theory is mostly correct.

>HansGetTheGas.jpg

>>2837688
It amazes me how many cringeoworthy false equivalences i stumble upon in this place that think all science scales as tremendously and as rapidly as computers have in the past century

No disease at any point in history has ever been entirely and irreversably cured by medicine. Medicine may be able to temporarily innoculate and even drive it to the point of near extinction (ie polio). But viruses and bacteria evolve at an rate exponentially faster than mamalian life to the point it is virtually impossible to entirely extermate them using anything short of a starvation tactic. Medicine vaccinates disease by exposing would be victims to milder form of the disease that helps their body build up immunity. Even if you were to somehow permanantly cure all disease, that would raise serious longterm concerns because peoples immune systems would not be as adept as at fighting disease due to lack of exposure. When a new mutation of virus or bacteria shows up, the population would be in as much trouble as the native americans when the spaniards brought over influenza

It's impossible because our racial identification is a very deep, subconscious part of ourselves. We feel more connected to people who share our race and that can never be changed.

>>2832002
I believe that people of different races can live together, it's just the racial tension that causes this idea that segregation between all races is good.

I have to blame the media for this, as they support this bullshit of "muh whiteys cause all problems" and it doesn't help when everyone becomes increasingly worse and angry over time.

tl;dr races can live together, media is filled with shills who think riots=money

>>2838680
Medical science is moving towards nano-robot technology treatments(there's already some experiments/tests being done) and computer technology is moving towards disease diagnostics with use of AI.

Artificial Intelligence is on the horizon and is already being used by many of the top companies in specific ways. It will only get much better and faster.

Rise of computing will speed up medical science as well. Medical science has been changing rapidly, while not as rapid as computer science, its rapid compared to past 50 years. So many new findings are being published daily and so being things are being discovered on how biology works. Combine that with AI sorting out the documents and creating a coherent treatment plan or finding new cures, it will only get much faster as AI from the computing side of things improves.

Medical science is tied with computing science now, whether you accept it or not.

>>2837572
Because blacks are incapable of having agency and simply not committing a crime. If you don't treat them like retarded children, you're racist.

>>2832248
Making money =/= manufacturing.

>Taiwanese EPZ workers are paid peanuts to manufacture engine blocks, pistons, nuts and bolts, et cetera
>components are shipped to the US
>workers slot the pieces together and tighten a few screws
>finished bike is sold for thousands of dollars
>"look at how much money we made, US manufacturing is doing great!"

Automation might make manufacturing jobs redundant in the future, but up until now the main reason for job losses has been offshoring. And that hit black communities especially hard by taking away stable, well-paid jobs.

>>2835497
This.
A.I. when?

>>2832369
/pol/tards can't think for themselves too

>>2832002
What's "race-bait"?