Who is the worst American president?

>>2825481
James Buchanan

Trump. No contest.

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>>2825481

DRUMPF!

>>2825481
John Quincy Adams.
America never came closer to becoming a hereditary monarchy than when he was elected.

>>2825518
Yes, good goy! Trump is the worst president by far!

>>2825523
yup, and some evidence for that is your post. this kind of antisemitism has been bolstered due to the rise of trump's america

Buchanan overall. Reagan since 1900.

>>2825523

Trump loves Wall Street and Israel you fucking mongoloid.

>>2825540
>Reagan since 1900.
I dare you to try and justify this claim.

GLOOOOOORMMMMMPFFF

>>2825522
What? Surely you mean John Adams, not his son John Quincy Adams

>>2825521
>>2825549
Please take this shit back to /pol/

>>2825481

Prez. Big Dick McBunghole

>>2825596

its a /tv/ meme you dip!

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>>2825523
>le Trump is anti-Jewish meme
He's a New York businessman who packed his cabinet with bankers and proclaimed his love for Israel.

He's also the first US president to declare himself a globalist.

>>2825537
but fake hate crimes lol

and the sourthern poverty law centers fuckin retarded lol

>Buchanan
>Grant
>Hoover
>Bush jr.

These are the usual suspects

>>2825481
LBJ. He set in motion the demographic shifts that have polarized America.

Also, his shitty handling of Vietnam was unforgivable.

>>2825715

Yeah, I'm pissed at all these Asian scientists and doctors in my country too.

>>2825523
Dubya

guy was the commodus of America
>country at peace
>economy at surplus
>international world thinks we are reasonable and trustworthy
>radical left and right are safely ignored
>good feelings after winning the Cold war
>W: "lets change that"

Buchanan
Johnson
Harding
Trump

Trump hasn't really done anything yet, and hopefully he never will.

>>2825872
And here folks we have a classic case of "when SHTF blame the guy in charge"

>>2825606

this. he also lets his incompetant jew son in law control him, like Grima Wormtongue

>>2825890

killed TPP and made a trade deal with China. Those are pretty significant accomplishments tbhfam. Also greatly reduced illegal immigrants.

>>2825899
economics is not solely his fault and Afghan war was inevitable.

everything else, all him

>>2825481
Woodrow Wilson

>>2825523
kek, Trump the the biggest "Jewish puppet" president ever.

Jimmy Carter
Benjamin Harrison
James Buchanan.
>inb4 last three being named
so ebin, wait till 25 years.

>>2825930

>TPP dead
>China becomes the undisputed dominant economy when it ropes all of Afro-Eurasia into Belt and Road

>>2825518
he is literally hitler
>>2825537
are you dense? you are on a 4chan board that sadly gets a lot of /pol/s pseudohistorians. what did you expect

Whatever happened to the Whig party?

>>2825862
I'm referencing the niggers and spics you autist.

>>2825956
basically got absorbed into the GoP

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>>2825523

>>2825523
>supporting Trump after he bombed Syria
back to r/the_Donald

>>2826126
Bombing Syria is the only good thing Trump has done so far. The US should be more active in the middle east to protect the people there.

>>2826157
yes they should protect Israel

>>2826174
Fuck off I'm not talking about Israel. The US needs to help eliminate terrorist groups and make the government aid their citizens more.

>>2826192
The primary goal of US foreign policy should be to make /pol/ angry.

>>2826126
>supporting Obama after he let loose 26,000 bombs last year alone
I too can say something to make someone I don't like sound bad.

>>2825481
Nixon.
>Knowingly fucked-up the Vietnam peace negotiations to get himself elected. Some 5 years and over a million dead later, he agrees to basically the same terms.
>Watergate
>Starts the War on Drugs
>Bombs Cambodia (a neutral country); this helps Pol Pot rise to power
>Lied about U.S. airmen being alive in Vietnam
>Did everything he could to slow down desegregation
>Chile
>Falsely sped-up the economy before his reelection (this led to problems later)

As to detente, that had some benefits, but most of it was symbolic. For example, the SALT Treaty didn't do a lot to decrease the chances of nuclear war, but it made him look good. But Vietnam alone condemns him to be the worst.

>>2826257
>Did everything he could to slow down desegregation
All of USA was desegregated by then.

Anyone who didn't say Andrew Johnson is wrong

>>2825899
Uhh, yeah. I would say Harding but he died from food poisoning when on vacation to get away from his administration's scandals. Harding's failures kind of got smeared around in the years leading up to 1929.

Shrub had a full two terms to do everything wrong. HE OK'ed shutting down California. was gearing up for a war on porn when he had been warned about Al-Qaeda. Can't really really blame him for not wanting to stop easy money after the Y2K fizzle.

Yeah, the Y2K fizzle. The crisis itself had been averted but now everyone had enough stockpiles that they stopped spending causing the downturn. Lower the interest rates to keep things running and discover that parties are great.

I guess it was legal to use monopoly powers to triple natural gas prices at the California border. Enron did eventually get caught when they hid the fact that they didn't know how to invest truckloads of money very well.

Didn't want these feels. It's all coming back to me. I'm going to re-read how Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Roger W. Ferguson, Jr saved America on 9-11. Then I'm going to find a high resolution picture of Gashcroft.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/9/10/1328813/-The-Astonishing-Story-of-the-Federal-Reserve-on-9-11
http://cellar.org/2004/gashcroft-big.jpg
Huh, a remake? The original was a bit gayer.

>>2826192
>>2826157

>lets continue doing the same shit that destabilized the middle east in the first place

The US needs to fuck off and stay in their shitty continent instead of playing big boy police officer.

>>2825523
Jews love trump you delusional crossposter.

>>2826306

t. Hideki Tojo

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>>2825540
This so much
>>2825547
And this is not even half of the shit this senile cunt pulled

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>>2826123
>Trump
>"most zionist"

>>2826257
>muh Vietnam blame shift from LBJ
>muh latent racism
>muh weed
>Pinochet is a fascist reeeeeeee

>>2825481
Reminder that choosing a president from the past 25 years is against the rules

>>2826468
>muh "muh"

>>2825899
No, even most professional presidential historians rank him pretty low, often within range of the lower ten

He botched Afghanistan, he lied the country into war with Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and whom it is proven that he had plans on invading well before he was even elected president. He then botched that country's reconstruction.

Not to mention completely botching the Katrina response, and even Alan Greenspan admitting that the 2008 Financial catastrophe was born out of this naive belief that markets regulate themselves, something Dubya embraced his entire career.

Two wars, a massive tax cut, and a medicaid expansion, all paid with the country's credit card. And then when Barack Obama went to pay off the bills right-wingers flew off into a frenzy accusing him of being a big government socialist blowing up the budget while Dubya sat around all day painting pictures of his man-crush, Vladimir Putin.

>>2825523
Trump is THE shabbos goy you retard

>>2825715
whoops
more like best president

Harrison was technically the worst president just by not being alive long.
Johnson was a Confederate apologist retard that wanted another Civil War.
Trump is by the worst though.

>>2825506
fpbp

I was pretty astounded by how much pussyfooting that guy did.

>>2826283
>The US needs to fuck off and stay in their shitty continent instead of playing big boy police officer.
A M E N to that

>>2825523

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQxO3y9tNV8

>>2826283
>>2826953

As long as you enjoy having Middle Eastern gasoline to pump into your car's tank at low, low prices, then you support the United State's continuing involvement in that region.

The alternative is rolling over and leaving our society and way of life to the mercy of religious fanatics who actively hate your guts.

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>>2826157
t. Sam Harris

>>2826966
I live in italy, we have one of highest price of oil in the world. Also I don't have a car.
The fanatics were financed and armed by the usa. Thus should usa problem. Thus the only country that really deserve a good bombing is the usa. You deserved 9/11 stupid fucks.

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>>2826979
>From somewhere that isn't the United States.
Must suck, being from a backwards, economically crippled Europoor nation teetering on the verge of financial Armageddon. How many centuries has it been since Italy has been relevant on the world stage? Must be hard, living among the glorious ruins of your ancestors and knowing how little your country's opinion matters about anything.

Our biggest mistake was letting Dubya steal the election from Al Gore. 9/11 was blowback to decades of policy written and directed by oil tycoons, including the one currently in the state department. Once Trump is finished imploding, we can get back to the technologies which are going to actually rid us of our shitty relationship with the middle east: electric cars, nuclear power plants, solar cells on every south facing roof exposure.

>>2827014
I mean the part were you talk about how shit italy it is right now is true. And yeah it's one of the 4 europoor country in this continent. Still at least my country will not be remebered as the one who ruined the world and I don't feel like an hypocrite when something bad happens. I mean if some crazy asshole tommorow will make himself explode at least I know it wasn't because I had to put cheap oil in to my trashy american car where I put my fat ass in. Also all great nations fall soon or later. America will be the next one. You had a lucky run now it's time to pay the bill.
Also i agree on the al gore part but I think the real problem started when you elected reagan

>>2827059
>>2827014
>These two idiots think the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan lowered gas prices
People are still this naive? Gas prices were expensive up until last year. The only reason gas went down recently is more production by American companies in the Dakotas and Saudi Arabia trying to flood the market in order to weaken Russia. America didn't get a drop of cheeper oil from Iraq or Afghanistan.

>>2826157
Mr. Cheney is past your bedtime

>>2827014
>we can get back to the technologies which are going to actually rid us of our shitty relationship with the middle east:
Were already doing it, it called fracking. Coincidently it is also the reason the US was able to lower it carbon emmisions because cheap plentiful natural gas was able to replace coal power plants.

>>2826157
>bombing the ones fighting ISIS, Al-Nusra, and the "moderate" rebels you armed
>good
what did he mean by this?

>>2825481
Everyone from Hayes to Harrison is literally who-tier.

>>2825930
Killing TPP was a mistake. Thanks for playing.

>>2825481
DRUMP

Buchanan was the worst President of the 19th century, with Andrew Johnson a close second.

Hoover was the worst of the 20th century, with Harding hot on his heels.

And for the 21st...not nearly enough time has passed to properly judge Bush Jr. from a historical angle, let alone Obama or Trump (though it's clear that he will NOT be viewed positively by future generations if he keeps on going this way) but so far Dubya has not been treated kindly by presidential historians and I think he'll be viewed pretty negatively unless Trump/future terrible Presidents turn out to be such trash-fires that his shittiness seems positively bucolic in comparison.

>>2826383
>BTFO the Commies
makes up for all of that AND some

>>2825481
George w for being a treasonous traitor

>>2828090
>BTFO the Commies
No he didn't, this is a meme

And now we are going to have President Pence soon if the current scandals take take Trump down, unless he was involved with Trumps shenanigans as well and gets removed as well.

President Paul Ryan would be next, right?

>>2827082
China got a bunch of rare earth metals though

>>2825715
>He set in motion the demographic shifts that have polarized America.
Who's to say that another president wouldn't have done this? We'd also need to know how many republicans in congress voted for this, because congress's approval is just as important to getting such a bill passed obviously. Third, it's quite clear that the biggest donors to the Republican party, big business interests, benefited the most from this change economically, if not politically (cubans in florida, for example vs. other latinos who have notoriously low voter turnout) from the flood of cheap immigrant labor. Why do you think no Republican president has ever genuinely addressed the immigrant problem? Why do you think Reagan and Bush were pro-immigration? Why do you think people voted for Trump? (hint: because people actually believed he'd "stop" the immigrant problem because unlike the republican establishment which dodged around the issue for decades Trump was an outsider that had no qualms saying that he actually wanted to get tough on immigrants)

>>2825506
this or grant or harding.

>>2825481
Andrew Jackson.

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>>2825481
>3 months in
>Already under investigation for treason

Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Andrew Johnson, Clinton, BushJr, Obama

>>2825481
Mckinley died in 1900 wtf

>>2825715
Nixon. He capitalized on the demographic shifts to polarize America.

Also, his shitty handling of Vietnam, Watergate and the War on Drugs was unforgivable.

>>2829662
>voting for a guy that can write, not fight
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>>2830013
it's the same investigation since last summer.

all they have is that there are a bunch of people in the trump campaign/administration that were contacted by russians. some didn't report it properly or at all.

they have yet to produce any evidence that trump and the russians were working together on anything.

if the investigation or any trial/impeachment concludes before 2020 and trump has beaten it. then he stands a good chance of reelection.

clinton beat his impeachment and his popularity soared.

>>2825481
Obama. Literally not qualified to be POTUS.

>>2825942
>I only read The Economist and Financial Times

>>2826718
Bush and the Treasury Department actually pushed repeatedly for increased financial regulations in 2001-2002, and this worsened the bear market, but the 9/11 attack and the recession took their focus off of that.

>>2825890
Well under his administration he let the Indian guy whose in charge of the FCC kill net neutrality rules, which is pretty important in my biased opinion.

>>2825481
Andrew Johnson
Guy botched reconstruction and supported the Confederates. The South might have been a much better place were it not for him.

>>2825540
>Reagan
>worst since 1900
What is Herbert Hoover

>>2830091

So?

>>2830121
Indians are unironicallyd destroying the US internet.

>>2830146
Debate TPP with me

>>2830082
Obama has a B.A. in PolSci (international relations) and a doctoral degree in law. Constitutional law, specifically.

He also has taught constitutional law at a university for 12 years.

He's much more qualified than most presidents.

>>2830154
Not that guy but info wars is not a valid source. Now fuck off.

>>2830171
Tell me why it would have been good for the USA

>>2830082
This meme again. When will stormniggers just kts?

>>2825523
Yes, good goy! Trump is our greatest ally and the god emperor!

Obama

>>2830058
>his shitty handling of Vietnam
You mean ending it?

>>2825481
trump

>>2828090
>not the disastrous Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
>not widespread economic stagnation and dissatisfaction in the USSR
>not Gorbachev's political reforms allowing for open dialogue for the first time
>not Gorbachev's economic reforms accelerating the collapse of the system
>not the collapse of the Warsaw pact leaving the USSR effectively isolated politically and economically and allowing the people to see there really is not going back
>both the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the fall of the USSR happened under Bush Sr., not Reagan
Sometimes I wish I was an American right-winger, it must be easy having such a simplistic view of the world.

>>2830160
that makes him qualified to be a judge or a lawyer.

being in an executive office requires things you can't get in a school.

>i wish we only allowed retired generals/admirals to run for president.

>>2831205
I disagree with all three of those statements.

>>2825890
He hasn't done anything major yet but he's still managed to shit the bed numerous times through sheer incompetence/stupidity. He's a national embarrassment desu.

>>2830175
Establish framework of doing business in Asia that locks out the Chinese

>>2831205
If you try to get soldiers for politicians, you'll just end up getting politicians for soldiers.

Obama

>>2825481
I know this is a bait thread to get people to shitpost about trump which you guys should give a rest dont ya think 4 months isnt enough time to say someone is the worst president ever? Anyway like the 3 presidents before lincon and johnson were all bad but it makes sense to an extent givin the climate at the time. The most assumed worst president hoover gets way to much shit he wasnt great but I dont think worst.

>>2831221
Obama/Hillary foreign policy was a complete fucking disaster. Worse than even Bush and the Iraq War.

They made the MENA region even worse. Lost Crimea to Russia and let Russia wage a proxy war on Ukraine. China built or seized over a dozen islands in he South China Sea. Taken from countries that should be US allies, during the supposed "pivot to asia".

>>2826260
America is segregated to this very day

>>2831686
God, I wish.

>>2831417
Australian here, pretty stoked that didn't happen. Pretty hopeful that Trump administration goes so full retard that policy makers start to actually listen to diplomats and move closer to East Asian ties T B H.

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>>2831771
Yeah looks completely desegregated to me

>>2825481
O'Bong-o

>>2825715
>LBJ. He set in motion the demographic shifts that have polarized America.
The Civil Rights movement was gonna happen eventually no matter what, whether in the 60s or the 80s, and MLK had more of an affect on that than LBJ

>>2826468
>muh weed
War on drugs is a pretty big issue, we waste so much fucking money on that shit

>>2825481
Drumpf!

>>2832029
seegregation implies that they have to live in black neighborhoods. i suppose chinatown is also proof of continuing segregation?

Harding
>no prior feats to celebrate, unlike other failed presidents like Grant
>allowed prohibition to continue yet was most likely a secret drunk
>probably had ties with the KKK as well
>Teapot dome
>set the ball rolling for the great depression to kick in by doing nothing to curb it
>dies in office allowing his almost as useless successor Coolidge to take over

Without memeing, Obama would be in my top 5 worst.

>>2825930
>trade deal with China
he didn't though. that was literally rhetoric

>>2825930
>Also greatly reduced illegal immigrants.
source?

>>2825523
>Donald "We'll fight for Israel" Trump

>>2832125
>they have to live in black neighborhoods.
lmao it's not written in law anymore but there are plenty of underhanded ways to de facto keep them moving into which areas aka segregation.

>>2825481
Morally? Or efficiency wise?

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>>2827014
>American
>Calling any other nation backward

>>2832510
>Says this while posting on an american website.

>>2832684
>a rip off of a japanese website
fix'd

>>2832733
>Says this while posting on an American website

>>2825481
Krunk is because he takes orders from the Gremlin.

>>2825481
Wilson

>>2832736
>owned by a japanese

>>2832125
The Chinese self-segregate. Continuous immigration from China means that Chinatowns continue to survive because they still serve a useful role as an ethnic hub where immigrants can live more or less comfortable lives with similar services, products, and cultural norms.

>>2830082
Their is no such thing as NOT being qualified to be president.
The only thing you are suppose to need is the support of the people.
But now you need money to spread your message far and effective which has changed democracy to those with money get unfair advantages.

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What is the deal with choosing senile old dudes as heads of the most powerful country in the world

>>2834685
Seniority system, older people symbolize more experience/wisdom etc. you should see the age of Supreme Court justices

>>2825939
Why Wilson?

>>2834759
IRS, income taxes, ww1, league of nations, state made propaganda, arresting and demonizing people speaking against the war, FEDERAL RESERVE

because of Wilson. federal agents would go into classrooms and tell children to rat on their parents for being against the war. german americans changed their last names and stopped speaking german due to sudden rise in anti german sentiment feed by state propaganda. when before you could go into many midwest and plains towns and most people would be speaking german

>>2834685
>>2834709
other than trump. every previous president has been a governor, senator, or general.

you can't even run for senate until you're 30.

Generals will always be in their 50s. as they have 30 year or longer careers.

>>2832485
Morality is a spook. Efficiency.

>>2834685
Endemic classical romabooism

>>2835269
>german americans changed their last names and stopped speaking german due to sudden rise in anti german sentiment feed by state propaganda. when before you could go into many midwest and plains towns and most people would be speaking german

There's a problem here somewhere, I just can't find it.

>>2832019
>"Australian"

hi chang

>>2832482
The state can't stop every last person in the country from being racist you shit. You have no idea what having mandated racism on the state and often federal level was for these people.

>>2825481
Franklin Pearce

Only retards would name a President before 1981

The actual answer is Andrew Johnson

>>2835327
oh but according to "liberals", you can use the state to force people to stop being racist.

>>2832482
Ironically Trump was caught doing this very thing, twice.

>>2835577
in the 70s and it was his father's business.

>>2835586
I mean he also took out a full page ad calling for the hanging of 5 innocent black teenagers and to this very day he has not apologised nor even admitted he was wrong about

>>2825930
>reduced illegal immigrants
Wrong, Obama caused the greatest decrease in illegal immigrants.

>>2835597
You say "innocent" as if they weren't convicted of the rape and as if everyone simply knew they were innocent the whole time. Also I don't know where you got the word "hanging" from considering it isn't mentioned once. I hope you didn't lie just for a cheap emotional rise.

>ctrl+f Pierce
>0 results
I mean Buchanan is a good answer but Pierce really set that shit in motion

>>2832475
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump/

>>2835327
>>2835566
you're changing the subject. my argument is that segregation more or less still exists.

>>2835586
>in the 70s
so?
>it was his father's business.
except that charges were brought against donald too, and he also denied that the company discriminated against blacks when there was clear proof of it.

>>2836055
>You say "innocent" as if they weren't convicted of the rape
sure, but why did the issue to rile up trump that he felt compelled to take an ad out demanding their execution? It was in his right to do so but decision was in the jury's hands not his; to pressure the jury to make a decision to his liking is to betray an ignorance or even a disrespect for the legal process. It's also just bad form to call for the execution of anybody, whether they be convicted criminals or not, and especially for the execution of a group of minors.

>>2836151
>posts an article to a conservative mouthpiece
>insinuates that trump's tough talk caused the drop in immigration but doesn't even bother to prove it.
>doesn't mention the fact that net immigration from mexico has been negative for at least 5 years already.
nothing to see here

>>2834685
>the 5 worst presidents were the 5 oldest presidents

really makes you think

>>2825523
Trump is israel's bitch, he doesn't even hide it

>>2835963
until he decided it was more politically profitable to try and get all the hispanic votes by being pro illegal immigrant in his second term.

the democrats want to use demographic change to drive political change. turn the USA into a hispanic majority welfare state. then create an EU like confederation with all the of the Americas.

>>2836526
>how dare politicians make policies to get or maintain voters! that's not how politics works at all!
this is you

>the democrats want to use demographic change to drive political change.
there's literally nothing wrong with that. electoral democracy can be described as "using demographic change to drive political change through political party organization." it's like you don't know how politics works.

>until he decided it was more politically
excuse me? do you have proof that he changed tack? immigration still remained a net negative throughout Obama's term while under his republican predecessor mexican immigration dramatically escalated and peaked. Obama also deported a lot more immigrants than Bush. The only thing you can construe as pro-immigrant was his bid to have illegals who had lived since childhood in the US from being kicked out of the country, which got overturned anyway. Otherwise Obama never had the congressional majority to enact immigrant reform even if he wanted to.

>turn the USA into a hispanic majority welfare state.
hmmm. gonna need a source on that. funny thing is that at the moment USA is a white welfare state. Most welfare recipients are white even if blacks and hispanics receive more relative to their size.

>then create an EU like confederation with all the of the Americas.
[citation needed]

maybe you should stop using infowars to get your news.

>>2836622
wikileaks.

hillary was telling brazillian bankers in her paid speeches that she wanted a Americas wide EU.

so if Trump did something to cause a massive amount of eastern european conservatives to come in and become citizens quickly, to bolster republican votes. that would be ok?

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I could tell what would happen by looking at the opening post

>>2836649
>hillary was telling brazillian bankers in her paid speeches that she wanted a Americas wide EU.
hmm, i'll need a link. and even if she said that doesn't mean she believed it. it was a paid feel-good speech after all. and if she did believe it there's no guarantee she would have acted on it. if she wanted to act on it's not clear she'd promote it because of its bad optics. and even if she did actively push it there's no guarantee she'd have succeeded or that she'd have won over congress of the public on it. Just because she's opposition does not make her the Super Villain™ /pol/ makes her out to be.

>so if Trump did something to cause
First of all a president doesn't have the power to "cause" anything. Mexicans and others immigrated here illegally because they lived in awful conditions at home. They had just as much an incentive to leave than they were scared of being caught at the border. No president caused that (though NAFTA might well have created exacerbated those conditions) Second, your implying that it's democrats alone who are pushing for immigration when I just told you that Obama deported millions and his term was marked by a net decrease in immigration from Mexico. Republicans and their donors have just as much an incentive to allow immigration because it gives firms a huge pool of cheap labor. Why do you think Bush did nothing to stop the mexican immigration when it accelerated during his term? It wasn't cause he was a lovable idiot, it's because business interests lobbied their party to keep the cheap labor coming in.

>eastern european conservatives
If you're implying that hispanic immigrants are democrats by nature, you're wrong. A significant minority voted for Trump and further, those communities that lean democrat didn't turn out to vote, because the demographic are not as engaged as other ethnic groups in the political process. That challenge alone is a steep obstacle to overcome as shown again by the recent presidential election.

>>2836743
cont.
What's more, if republicans tried they could be just as successful at mobilizing hispanics for their own party. The hispanic community is socially conservative and republicans have used this to great effect to gain hispanic votes, as during the anti-gay marriage prop 8 campaign in california. Many more probably lean republican but are repulsed by the republican party's appeal to racist appeals to their white voting base, which is a tried and true tool to garner votes.

>become citizens quickly, to bolster republican votes. that would be ok?
I wouldn't care at all. Republicans already have a range of ways to suppress hispanic and black votes in states they control. I'd prefer that they grant people citizenship than deny citizens their right to a fair vote.

I also wouldn't care because immigration laws only became a thing in the 20th century. Before that US politicians had no qualms cajoling immigrant groups to vote for their parties. The most famous case of this was the northern democrats' wooing of irish immigrants by playing them off against blacks. back then all you had to basically do was sign a piece of paper to become a citizen, after which you'd vote for the democratic party.

Unironically Trump

>>2825481
Washington.

He was literally a terrorist warlord, and the only president to ever personally lead troops against the American people after being elected.

Idk if I'd say worst, but I think JFK is way overrated.

>>2825956
My memory could be wrong, but I believe they collapsed after the Missouri compromise because they didn't know how to stand on the issue of slavery. The Republican party then developed.

>>2836792
Why?

>>2825878
LBJ or Andrew?

>>2836773
>you fell for the hispanics are socially conservative meme

even if that were true. it doesn't override the fact that hispanics are all overwhelmingly socialists. latin america is littered with failing nations brought down by attempts at socialism.

Mexico has been ruled almost completely by the socialist party since their early 20th century revolution. see how they have squandered an embarrassment of riches. oil, gas, long growing seasons in multiple climates, two warm oceans, being right next to the most powerful and richest nation on earth.

Bush Jr got the most hispanics of a rebublican at 40 percent. Which I think is because of Texas. Trump got 30 percent.

>>2836773
They may be socially conservative but free gibs and citizenship for their illegal relatives trump that conservatism. Economic realities will triumph over ideological grandstanding.

>>2825481
Any of them that died early in office.

>>2837119
>calls it a meme
>provides no proof

>declares hispanics socialist by making a questionable generalization about the political history of several dozen countries he's probably never read about

For the first twenty years of the twentieth century Mexico was not socialist. Then within a decade of PRI rule the Great Depression hit for a decade: a unavoidable event during which the government was still able to effect large reforms. Mexico was a dirt poor country up to this time, even when it experienced high economic growth under Porfirio from the 1890s to 1906. Until 1870 the country had almost nonstop political conflict and wars, which left it shaved off decades of potential growth. Despite this, the advent of World War Two was a boon for Mexico and the Post War years were a time of unprecedented growth from 1946 to 1970 known as the Mexican Miracle.

Mexico has also had neoliberal capitalism for almost 30 years and hasn't had the best track record.

tl;dr don't talk about a country's history if you don't know anything

>Bush Jr got the most hispanics of a rebublican at 40 percent. Which I think is because of Texas. Trump got 30 percent.
This proves my points more than yours. Latinos aren't by definition democratic or republican. It all depends on which party courts them better, which the Democrats have done a bit better. If the republican party didn't have the image of the racist party than they'd do even better.

>>2837133
>but free gibs
yeah, no. they work the shittiest jobs in this country for no pay just like most immigrants who came here in the past. they do all our landscaping and construction, harvest all our crops and provide the elbow grease for almost every restaurant in this country.

>free gibs and citizenship for their illegal relatives
proof?

>Economic realities will triumph over ideological grandstanding.
except people vote for all types of reasons not just economics. otherwise white people wouldn't have voted for the billionaire trump who appointed a cabinet of globalists and who wants to eliminate inheritance tax.

>>2825481
FDR.

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>>2825523
>goy

lmao

>>2825481
I'm going to go with George W. Bush, Obama, and most likely Trump. They might not be the worst presidents from a political and accomplishment standpoint depending who you are, but I think history will look back on this time period as a moment where America slipped into authoritarian and autocratic tendencies.

Bush and Obama presided over periods where the power of the executive branch grew drastically. Even with a full GOP majority, Trump still looks like he's going to continue the trend. Congress has been rendered a rubber stamp that is bypassed when they fail at that. It doesn't mean Congress is completely blameless, because believe me they are right up there in guilt with everyone else of being corrupt.

What it means is that the presidency has been slowly creeping to this point where a true authoritarian could come right in and basically rule like a dictator should one be elected.

That's not to say that each of these 3 men were/are dictators, it's just that their presidencies will most likely be remembered as an era of rapid presidential concentration of power. To me, that will likely be remembered as a horrible time in American history, should a dictator-like figure take control of the executive branch.

>>2825540
Reagan
You may criticize some of the things he did with the economy, but that is by no means grounds for worst president of twentieth century. Especially considering his other accomplishments.

>>2825523
Jewish tricks

Dubya unironically. Obama was basically just 8 years of America trying to fix his immense fuck ups

>>2825523
blue-pilled brainlet: the post

>>2825904
This would be fantastic oc

Carter
FDR
Hoover

>>2825481
GW Bush followed by Obama.

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>>2837497
Civil War when? I pledge my allegiance to the Executive Branch!

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>>2825523
>supporting trump after he whispered sweet little secrets to russia

I worry for your country's future, American.

>>2826493
>muh "muh "muh""
Done to death, try again newfag.

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>>2837378>>2826123
>>2837715

>not realizing he's actually a massive threat to Israel

http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/05/readers-and-viewers-of-vl-ask-fbi-anon-their-own-questions/

>>2837907
The secrets were about Israel and their plans to destroy Iran and Syria. Trump is creating a gentile alliance.

>>2826157
the US are not the world police
i hope this is just retarded bait

>>2827014
not him but you shouldn't speak of places you don't know shit about just because he criticized your arrogant and imbecile foreign police

that said, we are the second country in the world for longevity and we cannot be drafted to war in any possible way, unlike the cannon fodder of vietnam

>>2825603
Johnson was great, take that back.

>>2825537
Antisemitism is a good thing.

>>2825481
Carter

>>2825596
4chan is pol

>>2826157
Trump has done many good things, I'm very satisfied so far.

>>2835963
Idiot, they counted people turned away at the border ad "deported".

>>2836622
Democrats need shit skins to keep them in power

I Don't understand why supporting Israel is a bad thing.

>>2838518
/pol/tarded reasons and 25 year rule aside, there are many reasons for the United States to be distrustful of Israel. Corporate espionage, selling weapons to our enemies, threatening conflict, selling U.S. state secrets to ideological enemies, firing on our vessels, blockade/sanction running etc. Israel has always been a horrible ally to the United States, but the U.S. props them up for ideological and global economic reasons.

>>2837874
Who knows? I think if it happens it will be within the next 5 years, and there is a high possibility of it happening IMO. The powers that be are ripping the moral fabrics of this country apart for their own gain, and that includes both political parties.

The GOP leads people to directly blame immigrants and groups their voters may have prejudice toward for the problems. Not the people who bring in these immigrants to work for 25 cents/hr picking fruit, or drastically lower pay for high-skilled jobs through the H-1B. Not the government that turns a blind eye to it while raking in millions per year from the benefactors. The Democrats lead their minorities into believing it's the white man who is at fault. Nope, it's not the government that is fueled by special interests who want to pump people into jail for profit or funnel drugs into the country to get people in trouble and addicted to drugs. It's the white man.

People don't realize the tactics are to keep us from becoming one cohesive people that rise against the corruption. They would rather watch us fight one another and tear each others' heads off before actually doing something that will benefit the entire country. By making your own citizens hate one another, you ensure you will never be the target of their wrath. They're just going to keep screwing us while we look and blame the wrong people.

I don't think any of this is done on purpose, which makes it even more scary. I think both parties manipulate this wrath in the people to get themselves into power because they think it won't bring any harm. The people in power today will be seen as near-sighted, greedy individuals who completely destroyed a society to keep themselves in power.

They don't want to see a civil war, but they also care more about their current power and fortunes over the good of the country. It isn't a conspiracy. It's blind greed.

>>2839122
The government is controlled by whites males so it is the white man's fault

>>2839157
Oh don't start this shit. Replacing these white men with blacks and women isn't going to magically change it into something better. The only people who can be successful in running for government are those that either have a lot of money themselves or are able to kiss the most ass in order to raise money. Obama was the first black president, and yet he was no different than the whites who came before him.

Quit falling into the trap, your race and sex have nothing to do with the corruption and greed that is ruining this country.

>>2839199
>the government that is fueled by special interests who want to pump people into jail for profit or funnel drugs into the country to get people in trouble and addicted to drugs.
This government acts on the interests of rich white man and has since the formation of the country. Minorities and women have historically been discriminated against directly and indirectly because and this fact and continues to this day. Obama ran the country for the white man due to the preexisting power structures present in the country.

>>2839255
Whatever.

Keep in mind that most of your punching bag white men had zero influence over the policies that governed them throughout this country's history. The Founders may have been rich white men, but you bet your ass that they wouldn't be caught dead letting farmer Joe of Virginia influence them.

Obama ran the country based on the same exact policies that came before him due to the nature of the political system. This wasn't crafted by a bunch of racists whites who wanted to suppress minorities. It was made by a bunch of rich elites who wanted to gain for themselves without any regard for the common person. It didn't matter if they are stepping on the white or black man. What matters is that the profits and influence keep pouring in.

Obama needed donors just as much as someone like Bill Clinton. When people donate large sums, you listen. Obama received massive amounts of money from Wall Street (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-set-new-wall-street-f/). What do you think he is going to do? Tell the people who funded his candidacy to fuck off when he's elected?

Nope.

Obama did exactly as those who came before him did and drew up legislation and policy that benefited the wealthy donors. He still even pissed them off to the point of sending in less money in 2012 due to a few token regulations he enacted in his first term. After the worst financial meltdown since the 1930's, you kind of had to do something to make people a little content. He didn't do nearly enough though.

I may have went off on a little tangent there, but it still stands that the greed and corruption running our government does not discriminate. A black woman wanting power is just as corruptible as a white man wanting power.

>>2839360
>Obama ran the country based on the same exact policies that came before him due to the nature of the political system. This wasn't crafted by a bunch of racists whites who wanted to suppress minorities.
It kinda was though.
Dont get me wrong I completely agree with main points of your post I just don't see why you are denying the racial element that persists through American society at large aswell as its institutions. It is possible for you to discriminate against more than 1 group with different levels of severity.

>>2839389
I agree that discrimination exists, but I think that the recent push to focus on that as the underlying reason for so many problems with our political system is one of the main reasons it won't get fixed. A lot of people think pushing for diversity of gender and skin color in government will magically make it work for the people. That just isn't true, as power tends to attract those who are willing to jump through flaming hoops to get it.

I think that if you first focus on how the elites and rich manipulate us into prejudices instead of the actual prejudices themselves, you can solve these problems. People don't just wake up one day saying they want to be racist, it takes someone talking from a lectern, calling blacks superpredators and immigrants rapists, to rile up that hatred. Those people do that because it gets them elected without bringing up the problems plaguing each and every one of us plebs.

>>2839157
> being that racist
Why so bigot kiddo?

>>2839435
Typical snowflake calling opinions they dont like racist

>>2839453
Don't call for blizzard m8

>>2838518
>>2838665
what 665 said.

Israel isn't an ally. they're a fucking parasite that betrays the USA at every fucking moment. they bring up holocaust guilt to get the "liberals" to forgive them and exploit the conservatives' jew worship and end of the world cult prophecy.

the only time Israel helps the USA. is when it benefits them to have us act one something they give us.

>>2840326
>Thinking Liberals support Israel
So it is true what they say about American education.

>>2838510
so what? to repeat; there's nothing wrong with a political party offering rewards to loyal voters or donors. their skin color has nothing to do with it, /pol/cuck

>>2838180
>posts a link to a conspiracy theory website as proof
consider suicide

>>2838509
Hmm, I wonder why a president appealing to minorities would boast about deportation, really makes you think...

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>>2825537
OH
OKAY

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>>2826157
>>2826157

>>2825481
Meme answers: Wilson, Nixon, Obama
Non-meme answers: Buchanan, Carter, FDR

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>>2825481
Its Warren G. Harding, he admitted it in office

>>2840526
Fbianon has been leaking stuff that has been later verified for the past year. He's a well known figure if you cared to follow politics.

I understand though you only believe what's written on salon, Guardian, and the ADL site.

>>2840799
Americans by and large aren't for illegal immigration. Also "catch and release" was a thing under Obama and counted as deportations.

>>2841924
Nice avoidance. I don't browse those sites, and even if I did, it doesn't logically follow that your conspiracy website is validated.

>Fbianon has been leaking stuff that has been later verified for the past year.
I call bullshit until you provide proof.

>He's a well known figure if you cared to follow politics.
That's rich coming from a /pol/tard who uses conspiracy sites for news. You don't follow politics, you're gorging on lies with no basis in reality. Any article that unironically believes in NWO is not real news.

>>2825523

You realize Trump is actually Jewish right?

>>2837574
This. Dubya fucked up the response to 9/11 and then tanked the economy. Obama had to concentrate most of his energy on pulling America out of the Dubya Recession.

>>2825715
By that logic, Lincoln should objectively be the worse. He freed the slaves setting up the future civil rights conflict.

>>2842159
Bush didn't tank the economy. he just failed to do anything about the impending disaster.

Democrats making Fannie, Freddie, and Clinton's administration tanked the economy.
>>2840335
"liberal" opposition to israel is a recent phenomenon . they only do it so they can make brown muslims look oppressed and in need of immigration ot the west.

>>2842266
>Clinton's administration tanked the economy.
I don't think there's a distinction between Bush's failure to act and Clinton's supposed creation of the Recession, for which you haven't even provided evidence. If anything, the greater blame falls on Bush because many economists warned of an impending financial crisis but he and his staff chose not to listen. It's like failing to turn off a time-bomb even though you know it's been activated.

>Democrats making Fannie, Freddie
Are you seriously blaming democrats for institutions they created in the 1930s?

> they only do it so they can make brown muslims look oppressed and in need of immigration ot the west.
Yes, because everything is a multikulti conspiracy to genocide white people.
You have to go back
>>>/pol

>>2825481
Wilson. Objectively.

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>>2830074
>getting a blow job is an impeachable offense
>wtf dude, getting the succ ain't that bad

>fire the Head of the FBI has he investigates your possible treason
>hoowee Russia sure was mad, but they're happy I fired him so it's cool

>>2842151
He's Protestant

>>2840944
Damn doubles decides it

>>2825523
Trump is the biggest Zionist cumguzzler to ever become president

I always wonder whether stormdweebs ever have an existential crisis when shilling for this globalist cuckold

>>2831634
>Lost Crimea to Russia
>implying Crimea was ever America's

>>2826157

Yes, good goy! Send more of your sons to die for Israel :^)

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>>2826468
>muh Pinochet

Anyone from Tyler to Buchanan.

>>2836893
Both were shit, though the latter was pure shit.

>>2825481
Trump even if just by virtue of all the fundamental flaws in the system he's exposed and which will inevitably destabilise things in the future but his personal actions are awful too, so he's defacto the worst.

>>2842698
he is only praised because of his savage execution methods