Why is this board filled with butthurt nationalists? Shouldn't

>>2823645
This board doesn't have historians, it has history enthusiasts which tend to on average come from nationalists

>>2823645
>/his/ - History & Humanities
>& Humanities

>>2823645
Not to mention, the irony of this cartoon. Its intent here is to insult nationalism, yet the implication is that globalism would mean that the fool depicted could very well lead the entire planet off the cliff, rather than a single nation.

>>2823645
could literally write anything on that flag and there would be no difference

>>2823661
>>2823669
t. butthurt nationalists

this board is quite literally /b/ with access to wikipedia

>>2823674
This is the truth right here. Throw in a few educated people who are eternally frustrated and that's really it. /lit/ /sci/ and even fucking /ck/ seem to be far better educated in their respective topics than /his/. /pol/ and /int/ ruined this place and I truly understand now why moot never wanted to make a board like this.

>>2823685
This place used to be great, like a year ago.
I loved to come here and listen to the opinions of people who were much better informed than myself.
Unfortunately, by now those people are a small minority here, and this board is infested with uninformed nationalists and "banter".

>>2823645
what does the cliff represent?

>>2823692
Thats the problem, that the people who care about History are driven away.

I remember when we all complained about the '&Humanities' part, but right now thats a small issue, because the vast majority is just endless shitposting and nazi posting.

>>2823692
I agree. The first month or so was glorious. But even then I saw a lot of people predicting the exact outcome we got. I hope those little nazis are proud of themselves.

I will never understand, why restrictive mods have crushed boards like /sp/, but there seems to be no moderation at all here on /his/ were its really needed

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>>2823645
Most historians are filthy atheist commies

Most /his/torians are god-fearing reactionaries and fascists.

Imprison the filth and turn this board to /hre/

>>2823669
this

>>2823718
4chan moderation is a true enigma. I don't think there's a human on planet Earth who actually understands how the whole thing works.

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>>2823645
Why would anybody else be interested in history?
It's the non-nationalists who are the weirdos here.

It's funny hearing some of you go
>I study history to escape real world politics
So you think history is like comic books and video games or something?

>>2823704
I think this is an inherit problem of the 4chan system.
Everybody is anon, everybody is equal. The post of a shitposter from /pol/ is worth just as much as that of an professional historian writing here.

>>2823697
Stable society.

What's exactly is wrong with nationalism? Why is it such a boogeyman?

>>2823750
i dont understand the question
you think its impossible to be interested in politics without beeing a nationalist?

>>2823756
It caused two world wars, among others

>>2823759
>Implying ww1 was caused by nationalism

>>2823759
>WWI caused by imperialist monarchies trying to settle scores
>WWII caused by the expansion of National Socialists and Soviet Bolshevism

What did he mean by this?

>>2823759
Do you think nationalism in 21st century is as violent as it was in 20th? I find it a perfectly rational political ideology that can be misused just like any other.

>>2823772
nationalism isn't as violent in 21st century because it lacks power.
In the western world, the powerful leaders prefere global cooperation rather than nationalistic egoism (that is, until Trump came in power).

We are no better people than we were in 20th century, if Le Pen and others come to power, Europe would turn into a battlefield once more

>>2823771
Cool, so National Socialists werent nationalistic?

>>2823750
This post absolutely reeks of 4chan bias. First of all you might want to consider the political leanings of real academic historians. Spoiler alert: not a lot of nationalists there. Second of all you have to consider the fundamental nature of history. Most history lies outside of your given National borders. If I'm an American learning about Chinese history how in the hell could I realistically be a nationalist? It's the /pol/tard larpers that would be regarded as weird anywhere else but here.

>>2823753
But people would normally be more interested in actual historic discussion than just shitposting.

And even if not, then there should be part shitposting and part normal threads, for whatever interest you have. I personally dont care much for Hitler or Jews or the same lolz so funy maymays, but hey its fine as long as there are still other threads.

But in truth its hardly any real discussion anymore and most threads about actual historic topics die very quickly, while always the same stuff keeps on the frontpage.
Which in turn causes more and more of the remaining people interested in history to leave, turning the whole board into pol 2.0 for good.-

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>>2823750

>Why would anybody else be interested in history?

Yeah, because not being a retarded nationalist piece of shit means you don't have an interest in history, science, or philosophy. I guess all they should do is jerk off and watch anime, right?

>>2823756
read this.

http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

>>2823692
>>2823710
Wrong

We had nothing but Hitler, WE WUZ, aliens, and southerners butthurt about the General Grant mod during the first month.

>>2823772

What is rational about devoutly serving a made-up political entity?

Fucking nationalists keep talking about it like their belief system is the only one that allows for selfish egoism and looking out for your own interests. Except people have been doing that long before the nationalist myth was invented, and will do that long after it's gone (and if there is a God, it will die fucking soon and permanently).

Nationalism isn't based on economic or even moral reasons. It's simply fiction. People digging up the bones of people they had nothing to do with from two fucking thousand years prior and roleplaying about how those are their ancestors!!!

Nor does it have anything to do with culture. Often, nationalism separates people that have the same culture and puts up a divide where there shouldn't be one.

Nationalism is a million times worse than any death cult, and it's fundamentally supported by insecure and spineless weaklings that have no achievements of their own and project themselves upon people from the past.

Pro-tip, you have more in common with the guy from the other side of the border today than you do with your (supposed) great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather.

>>2823785
The problem is that over time, low effort memes and bait take over, because they are an easy way to get guaranteed replies, thus pushing the threads on top, and actually interesting discussion slides to the top.
In my opinion, what /his/ really needs is a far more strict moderation when it comes to creation of threads.

>>2823645
Many people start appreciating their own history through interest in general history. They form feelings for their culture, nation and history. For one, I know I did. The conceit of globalists who view those respectful of their own culture as 'backwards' or 'stupid' irritates me to no end. The butthurt and larping can get pretty annoying, though.

>>2823772

> Do you think nationalism in 21st century is as violent as it was in 20th? I find it a perfectly rational political ideology that can be misused just like any other.

Frankly yes.

The countries that have less violent expressions of national pride have all had it beaten out of them by way of a couple million deaths.

Nationalism is the ideological equivalent of "Fuck You, Got Mine". People who are like that in real life are assholes, nations who do that inevitably end up purging their minorities at some point.

>>2823645
>such petty concepts

Could you give me an example of a non pitiful concept?

>>2823645
>hurr durr nationalism is bad

Nationalism won though.
If it didn't , we would still have empires.

It is also arguable that nationalism facilitated the rise of living standards and technology, leading to the most prosperous era in human history.

>b-b-but muh nazism
Not all nationalists are nazis, autist.

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>>2823808

What it needs is fucking GENERALS. I don't understand why there are none here. The whole idea that they're "elitist" as some people say is fucking mong tier.

Every day there are THE SAME GODDAMN THREADS.

>were spartans were really that great
>did hitler know the jews were being killed
>why did hitler attack russia
>muslims kill everyone
>name a single black civilization
>is china's history faked

I could go on. It's the same shit repeated DAY AFTER DAY AFTER FUCKING DAY AND THESE MODS DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

Just imagine if all of this bullshit about WW2 and the Holocaust and Hitler could be contained to a single thread. Aaaaaaa. AAAAAAAAAa. THE DREAM.

And it's not even like /his/ is a super-fast board that would make generals impossible. It's sluggish as fuck. Threads last for day as it is, but retards are too stupid to check the catalog.

“Butthurt nationalist” here, also an oldfag and user of /his/ since its launch. I find it amusing how you people are berating over the fact that there is a stronger right-wing presence on this board. Because I remember firmly that when /his/ was created it was immediately attempted to be subverted as an anti-thesis against /pol/, most likely by /leftypol/ since I saw several threads were they were discussing their process. You made a comment that was (slightly) right-wing? People would tell you to back to /pol/ rather than pursuing discussion. Yes, there is a large frequency of shit-posting here, but that is the case on a lot of boards. My advice? Grow thicker skin, keep discussing history with posters who are willing to and ignore obvious shitposting.

>>2823780
>Trump is a nationalist
>if Le pen came to power, we would have another world war

Do you get your info from reddit ? This is such a poor level of political analysis.

>>2823820
A historian should try to view history objectively, and not through the lenses of his own nation/religion/ideology/whatever

>>2823828

actually why not make generals, do the mods delete them?

>>2823830
>Trump is not a nationalist
>"America First"

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>>2823839

>actually why not make generals, do the mods delete them?

I'm not sure if they would outright delete them, but if they don't enforce the idea by deleting related threads then we can't do it without them.

>>2823829
>[Press X for doubt.]
X

>>2823799
>Pro-tip, you have more in common with the guy from the other side of the border
Sure, but I don't see how me and the Sub-Saharan guy across the Mediterranean have anything in common nor why he should enter the EU rather than be helped where he originally lived in.

>>2823829
You are not an oldfag, /his/ isn't even that old, and literally on day 1 /pol/ was making threads about his was /pol/ 2.0 and they were trying to make it a /pol/ colony. This is why butthurt nationalists are the worst. They're filthy historical revisionists. This is true of pretty much every nationalist movement.

>>2823844
Doubt me all you want. But I have been on 4chan since 2009 and was a frequent poster on /int/ before I came to /his/. I remember how people there were craving for a history board because it all went to shit when it just became a large collection of /generals/.

>>2823840
Meaningless campaign rhetoric. By the same logic, Obama was a socialist.

Nothing "nationalist" has been done during his presidency.

>>2823828
>What /his/ needs is more generals

NO FUCK OFF GENERALS ARE THE BANE OF ACTUAL DISCCUSSION LOOK AT /tg/

>>2823846
Yeah of course /pol/ tried to raid the board. But you are honestly delusional if you don't think that the leftist remains of 4chan tried to find a "safe haven" on /his/. It was a constant struggle between ideology and nationalists were not the only ones. And with oldfag I mean 4chan in general.

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>>2823828
>What /his/ needs is more generals

NO FUCK OFF GENERALS ARE THE BANE OF ACTUAL DISCCUSSION LOOK AT /tg/ FOR FUCKS SAKE

>>2823842

Could try, mark the generals as at least a place where semi-knowledgeable posters can gather.

>>2823829
So you are pride that you pollute this place, which is meant for objective academic discussion, with your right-wing ideology?

>>2823829
Say what you want about
>/leftypol/
But at least they actually knew a thing or two. I'll take pretentious twats who have actually read a book than memers who don't know a thing about history or anything for that matter. In short you're right, /leftypol/ and /pol/ both fought over the fate of this board. And now it's clear that /pol/ won. And all of the people who actually care and want to learn a thing or two are worse off because of it.

>My advice? Grow thicker skin, keep discussing history with posters who are willing to and ignore obvious shitposting.
Pretty funny that a self described oldfag would say that nothing is wrong or needs to be changed.

>>2823850
thanks god Trump is an idiot with no political experience or a power base.
But his success shows us how dangerous nationalism still is

>>2823850

> "I'm a socialist" - Barack Obama

Things that never happened for $400 Alex.

If you actually followed 2008 on non-Fox News venues, "Obama is a Socialist" is a nonsense statement.

>>2823858
this
I often browse /int/ and you can hardly find any interesting threads on the front page because it is full of shitty generals

>>2823845

That's not nationalism. Wanting to keep total strangers out of your private sphere is just common sense.

I relate nationalism more to the idea of keeping old grievances for no fucking reason other than some stories your granny told you about.

Like, say... being told that your people used to live in the Middle-East two thousand years ago, and then going and committing genocide against the native population because you think it's Your Land (TM).

>>2823848
>2009
>oldfag

Just another reminder that any self described oldfag should be ignored at all costs.

>>2823828
Generals are stupid but a Hitler/ neo-nazi containment general would be good.

>>2823862
No, I am a nationalist but I take multiple perspectives on history, including marxist ones. I try not to let my ideology colour my perception of history. However, since history records were written by people, objectivity in history is implausible in the first place. Furthermore, academic discussion used to have a much stronger right-wing presence before World War 2, ou might aswell call the change of ideology after that event in academia a "pollution" aswell.

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>>2823780
how the fuck would Le Pen turn Europe into a battlefield?

>>2823750
Other Question: How can you still be a Nationalist after you have learned some decent history?

>>2823879
by leaving nato and eu, for starters

>>2823851
>>2823858

???

I don't know about /tg/, but both /an/ has generals, and they're very good and useful. And I'd compare /his/ more to /an/ than /tg/.

Some people on this board just care about one topic or one era in particular. Generals could simplify this by gathering all the information in one place for the new comers.

How exactly would that be bad?

It also depends what you mean by discussion. A guy asking for the millionth time of the Holocaust happened isn't a fucking discussion. He's a lazy cunt that won't do his own research.

>>2823840
Why is putting THE COUNTRY YOU'RE THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF first wrong you fucking retard?

>>2823875
Well considering I have been here for nearly a decade I would say so. Are you here from before?

>>2823848
I don't know about /int/, but /his/ has been my main (and pretty much my only, aside from rarely visiting /tv/, /tg/ or /wsg/) board since it began. I have never noticed a large presence of /leftypol/, while on the other hand we pretty much have holocaust denial dailies, [collapse] dailies, >wewuz dailies etc. Hell, I've seen more /r9k/ threads here than /leftypol/. This site is pretty neutral regarding politics, being a healthy mix of everything, /pol/ raids notwithstanding as they are mostly not regular posters.

>>2823883
and how would that lead to war?

>>2823876

It's called /pol/ and it doesn't work.

>>2823882

Simple, he hasn't learned some decent history. He can probably regurgitate some facts about dates and events, but not the implications or the cause and effect of those events.

>>2823885
not him, but wrong is an incredibly subjective term dude.

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>>2823885

>>2823892
you don't see how a bunch of powerful countries close to each other, with no defensive or economic ties could lead to a war?
Just look at WW1

>>2823887

Look, you are fucking embarrassing yourself. I've been here from 2008/2009 too and I still wouldn't describe myself as an oldfag.

By the time we came, 4chan proper was already dead. We're not summerfags, but we're definitely not oldfags.

>>2823865
4chan has changed, its users have changed but that is the way it happens. However, some things have been the same since the start. I remember how I saw a thread where an Englishman and Frenchman were debating on the battle of Agincourt, nowadays you can still find that on /his/.

>>2823878
No offense, but I don't think you have the qualification to judge the objectivness of professional historians.
Saying that Historians can't be objective because they are people is like saying that science in general can't be objective because scientists are people

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>>2823896
>Implying European nations didn't have economic ties to each others before ww1
>implying ww1 wasen't caused by a shitload of defensive pacts and alliances

>>2823895
>>2823894
Who should POTUS look after then if not the USA?

>>2823879
By declaring war?

>>2823907
They didn't have economic ties that would even come close to a single market.
And there is a difference between "a shitload of defensive pacts" and one single defensive pact in which all European countries participate

>>2823903
I don't see what that really has to do with /leftypol/. Sounds like something you would see on /int/ which is just a shitty off shoot of /pol/ in terms of academic understanding or political leaning.

>>2823912
When has LePen ever threatened to declare war?

>>2823908
no one. that's his job. however, simply doing one's job doesn't make one "right".
this is why i was pointing out that "wrong" is a subjective term.

>>2823898
You're righ, oldfag was not the proper name for our generation of users, as it was called the great cancer of '08/'09. However, the fact remains that we've been here for nearly a decade, the people who were original and genuine oldfags are long gone and the vast majority of users nowadays are people who joined from reddit during GamerGate. Compared to that, you're old as shit my friend.

>>2823884
becasue the ydont breed discussion they breed insular fucking hugboxs and threads that never fucking die

>>2823913

You mean the single defensive pact that Le Pen also wants out of?

>>2823915
That was not referring to leftypol. But rather to the idea that certain topics were discussed are still seen today on /his/. Refering to the fact that things have not changed too much. However, I do agree that there is much more depth on /his/ compared to other boards, and ideological strive can ruin that. But so does shitposting.

>>2823780
>Cool, so National Socialists weren't nationalistic?

They certainly weren't the traditional kind of German nationalist. And by today's standards the Allied Liberal powers of the US, Britain and the Commonwealth, the ones that actually fought against the Nazis were, you guess it, nationalists.

>>2823918

>the people who were original and genuine oldfags are long gone

I wonder where they are now... They must have a safe haven somewhere.

>>2823929

>They certainly weren't the traditional kind of German nationalist

>people still believe this

>>2823837

Being objective is a white rabbit. A historian can be conscious of his own bias, he can be critical, he can show integrity. But he can not be 'neutral'. One man's neutral is another man's bias.

>>2823930
They either grew up or went to wizard chan if I had to guess.

>>2823906
Well for one, I am pursuing a MsC in a social science. One of the first things they taught us was the objectivity of our research. Now hard sciences like physics can be truly objective. However, when researching history there remains a bias from the author/researcher. Which allows room for discourse amongst those who disagree with him/her and provides a broader range of perspective, but not necessarily an absolute truth.

>>2823928
The quality of discussion can vary wildly between boards. And my sentiment is that the ideology of /pol/ has driven away other crossboarders that might have brought with them a richer more intelligent standard for discussion. Ideology is secondary here. Nobody really cares if your a nazi on 4chan. It's just that those people were so loud and numerous that most people have written off /his/. That can only change if mods get rid of the /pol/ posting.

>>2823945
The problem is that it is a bit too much of a grey field. If someone is an actual revisionist but uses sources and logic to back up his statements, then his opinion should not be discarded but rather confronted by those who oppose them.

I'll give you an example'
Rightwinger makes a statement/claim
Leftwinger gives critique
Both engage in a discussion using logic and sources.

Although both have ideological motivations, there is still a solid discussion rather than just shouting "REEE LEFTIE KEK KEK" and "STORMFAGG OUTTT".

The problem is that sometimes this can be a bit of a thin line and would give the mod a large responsibility to keep things civil. But who knows what motivation this mod has? What if he has a certain set of beliefs that allow him to remove what he likes.

>>2823945

People can ree all they want, but if you actually want decent, sourced, historical information, /r/askhistorians is infinitely better than his. Anyone who is genuinely interested in history will find that subreddit far more conducive to good debate, leaving his with /pol/acks and the "reddit spacing" crowd.

>>2823964

But as you say, that's dry information. You ask a question and they respond if you're lucky, like asking a more competent Google for an answer.

I wouldn't say that's what /his/ is.

>>2823874
Im a nationalist to some degree and I dont want to start murder rampage in sweden or russia just because of history. Maybe your problem is your view on nationalism and not nationalism itself? You dont think socialism = gulags and genocide so why is nationalism = hitler and holocaust?

>>2823963
In theory I agree with you. Moderation should not be based around a persons ideology. But unfortunately we are well past the point of nuanced moderation that would be required to target "shitposters" specifically. You need to look at major trends. In short /pol/ has become the biggest board on 4chan. As they would say back in the day it's the cancer killing 4chan. And therefore needs to be contained at all costs. And the easiest way to ID a /pol/tard is by ideology. Or racism. And I would argue that a blanket ban would be the only way to guarantee success even if it's overly oppressive. But that's never going to happen because the administration has never been so hands off. At least in my experience.

>>2823982

>You dont think socialism = gulags

Uh, yes, I fucking do. My country was under USSR subjugation, so I hate those commie fucks far more than the Nazis.

And I don't hate nationalism because of Hitler or National Socialism. I hate it because it's an unfounded idea that empowers the dumbest fucks of every country that have nothing of their own, and no identity to speak of, so they simply identify with their nationality. Not only that, but it also gets in the way of good historical scholarship, because more often than not the ACTUAL findings historians make do not fit those of nationalist loons.

But even if you left out all of that, and the increased potential of war that nationalism brings, I hate it because it warps, distorts and crushes the mind of young ones. Instead of getting a proper education in world history that makes them understand how things really work and what they should look out for, they're instead raised as ants that have to obey muh nation and know meaningless (and in the cases of some countries,minor) historical facts that give them nothing in the long term.

/his/ has a pretty even amount of lefty and righty larpers, unlike /pol/, which is a right wing circlejerk, and /lt/ which is a left wing circlejerk.

>>2823930
probably /jp/ before the janitors made a crack-down on the board, according to some polls I've seen floating around they're are or at least were the board with the oldest demographic on average.

>>2823673
XDDDDD QUALITY POSTING NICE MEME
REKTD NATIONAKEKS
HAHAHA ALL FASHIES!!!

>>2823796
>"nationalism is classifying human and insects in blocks of millions"
Oh dear god here we go again, the worst part of dialetics is when the antithesis use terrible arguments.
After nationalism to where will we go? What is the new 2.0 global capitalism edition + dlc "socialist always calling for the end of capitalism after every crisis" sense of collective?

>>2824042
Way to prove him wrong bucko

>>2823796
And the description of nationalism in the text is the same as Ultra Nationalism.
The nationalism everyone is calling in here is patriotism: "The sense of being proud of where you live and fight for it to prosper(with no retardation of the MUB TOTAL WOAR)"

>>2823799
Does he speaks my language? Does he follow the same cultural rules as mine? What does he share with me?(Understanding the variations of 'local cultures' et cetera, let us not milk dead cows)

>>2824069
the post was "t.butthurt nationalists"
he gave no arguments and needed no arguments on that one

>>2824082
>the post was "t.butthurt nationalists"
exactly, and your reply was butthurt as fuck, thereby proving his point.

>>2824082
Well I don't what that little spout of ironic shitposting was supposed to achieve but it just made you look like a butthurt nationalist.

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Reminder that /his/ is a neoliberal board.

>>2824090
that's retarded

>>2823645
You argue that nationalism is irrational, when it's simply self-interest. Just as internationalism is the self-interest of the top class of society.

Your argument begins from false pretenses, and collapses.

>>2824096
not an argument

>>2824062

>After nationalism to where will we go?

Federal provinces and city states within a greater and united Europe.

>>2823674
This is absolutely true. /pol/-tier knee-jerk stupidity, mixed with /lit/-tier pretentiousness. I've seen more informative posts on WWI/II literature from a literal Mexican intellectual, on /pol/ than anything I've seen on both /lit/ and /humanities/

>>2824097
>implying self interest is some inherently good thing

>implying that Nationalism is in the self interest of common people instead of the self interest of the global elite in late 1800's that's just barely clinging on to life

>>2824097

How in the world would nationalism be self-interest? You could conceivably live in a political state and look out for your own interests without being a mouth-drooling nationalist. There's a big difference between being pragmatic and being a nationalist.

>>2824086
>>2824087
>ironically shitpost in response
>"haha your response made you a butthurt"
why would I engage in a serious discussion with, answering the guy with detailed info et cetera when it is just shitposting.
Move on boys

>>2824102
t. füher merkel

>>2824110
>>2824106
Internationalism is geared to the benefit of the top of society, to the detriment of the bottom. It's given a moral bent to get the people being harmed by it to defend and accept it.

Let it be known, it's that same internationalism that sabotages sovereign nations which nationalized their resources, to the benefit of their own people, or ceased trading on the international currency.

>>2824106
self interest means that which is in an entity's interests so therefore that which it is good for that entity to accomplish and which improves the circumstances of that entity i.e. that which is good for that entity.

>>implying that Nationalism is in the self interest of common people
it often is. e.g.
"we will strive for the sake of our people and allow our people's situation to worsen in order to beenfit other people like millions of illegal migrants"

>>2824121
And bear in mind, that there is no good will towards those immigrants whatsoever. They are brought in to be an exploitable underclass, and provide direct labor competition to the existing working class of the country. Tey are not there to be "raised up".

This is the ugly truth of internationalism. A pyramid of exploitation, plundering of nations that did right by their people and oppression of people living under the internationalism they are told is "progress".

Why do left wing intellectuals think that it is more enlightened not to want to secure your interests?

It seems that every time they label something as nationalism so that they can lazily attempt to discredit something or someone without explaining why they are wrong, all they're really doing is pointing out that someone is advocating for their own interests.

>>2824121
*"we will strive for the sake of our people and not allow our people's situation to worsen in order to beenfit other people like millions of illegal migrants"

>>2823929
They were Traditional Nationalists with steroids. German Nationalism had a lot of "ideological exploits", so to speak, that allowed the pseudo scientific racial theories, "muh VITAL SPACE", Total War et cetera to flourish.
Germany had a lot of positive things to build a healthy nationalism/patriotism but headed to a militarised-guided country and consequently to expansionist nationalism.
Let us not milk the dead cow of german natsoc.

>>2824120

> to the detriment of the bottom.

You mean, the vast droves of people with a low IQ that live on welfare and aren't capable of doing anything? The type that scream about

>muh nation
>muh heroes
>muh culture

When they're mechanical rats that haven't accomplished a single good deed in their pathetic lives?

Yeah, I'm sure I'll cry for them a lot. Whether you like it or not, nations are going to die, and it's inevitable. It's going to be a few global cultures that span much of the known world. If you want to fight for something, fight for something real, like federal rights and proper autonomy. Not idiotic ideas like nationalism.

>>2824139
They were told that nationalism means mindless flag-waving, and that globalism is the "Small World" ride at Disneyland made real.

>>2824120
Yeah but my argument was that nationalism was the exact same thing for the global elite of the 1800's. You're not saying what the fundamental difference is that makes one desirable over the other.

>>2824121
But if everyone pursued their own self interest society would probably collapse. I mean nationalism itself is about as you said
>we will strive for the sake of our people

But the real question is what makes your people different. And why are those differences important enough to base your entire ideology around them? What is the fundamental difference between "illegal migrants" and you?

>>2824139

>Why do left wing intellectuals think that it is more enlightened not to want to secure your interests?

Why is it that nationalistfags create only strawman arguments so they can feel better about their stupid beliefs?

Where did you see people saying that you shouldn't care about your interests? Or the interests of the space within which you live? No one said that. Maybe a handful of Marxist mongs believe that, but that's about it.

>>2824110
Can you point out the difference with real world examples?

Benjamin Netanyahu has been very successful in securing his country and his people's interests.

Would you claim that he somehow isn't nationalist?
Or would you claim that he is "mouth-drooling" and stupid?

This is where your left-wing dogma falls apart.

I can tell that the only course left for you is to go for a no true scotsman argument where you make the claim that you can't be a true nationalist unless you are also retarded, even though basically every politician who advocates for the interests of his citizens over the interests of 'refugees' gets called a nationalist these days.

If you're going to limit the scope of your argument so that you're only talking about nationalists who are retarded then you aren't making claims about anyone important so your whole argument is meaningless.

eat shit, you left wing cuck , lol

>>2824150
See how quickly the line switches from "it's good for you" to "just die and accept it, moron"

This is what the internationalist, the end of history demagogue, thinks of you.

They hate you, and they don't know why. They have the audacity to call nationalism idiotic while throwing around words like "rights" and "autonomy". They know nothing.

>>2824152
That was imperialism. Nationalism doesn't make peace, by any means, but neither does the international status quo we see brutally enforced today, nor the divide we saw during the cold war, which could be described as two international empires; the Soviet Union and capitalist west, headed by the united States and affiliated corporations / monetary institutions.

>>2824150
>rights
>fight for something real
Something real is the collective you live in, stoo trying to push a ideology like every single failed state have retards like you pushing for a utopia based on the mix of personal problems, feelings and interests.
Go to a psychologist or a psychiatrists, the wheels of history have the sole reason of smashing people like you

>>2823848
>was a frequent poster on /int/
You should go back.

What a surprise, Brits/Americans wake up and thread instantly takes a 90 degree turn downward.

>>2824169
And imperialism was justified with nationalism. They walked hand in hand. I mean Nationalism wasn't an innocent grassroots movement.

>>2824150
>>2824170
*stop

>>2823673
Quality posting anon, please give us more. I'm absolutely dying from anticipation.

>>2824162

Except it's not. We live in a world that gives more and more opportunities to everyone that has the will to take them and the mind to do something with himself. It's not my fault you feel intimidated by competition.

If you seriously think that we (or anyone on 4chan, honestly) counts as the sorts of people I was talking about, you're dead wrong. Maybe you haven't met enough real, and very dumb people.

>>2824170

>utopia

How is it an utopia, you fucking mong? Why do you assume that everyone you talk to is a fucking communist?

>>2824189
No, not by any means. It allows people to self-associate and form organic bonds of community and shared values and interests, which is something sorely overlooked in importance, today.

Again, I never said it ended warfare or evil, I do disagree that internationalism somehow does, however.

>>2824086
>prove a point
>there was no point
Remind me -- how do special educationers escape the school system?

>>2824200

Why do you assume that the opposite to nationalism is internationalism?

>>2824197
>If you seriously think that we (or anyone on 4chan, honestly) counts as the sorts of people I was talking about, you're dead wrong. Maybe you haven't met enough real, and very dumb people.

You pompous, naive, pretentious pseudo-intellectual. Listen to yourself

>>2824152
>But if everyone pursued their own self interest society would probably collapse.

people evolved behavioural predispositions to cooperate with kin more easily than with total strangers. And after kin they cooperate next easiest with people who share culture norms, language , vague appearance and other markers.

cooperation is good because under most normal circumstances it increases standards of living and success for all participants.


so why doesn't the whole world cooperate?

Because it's a prisoner's dillemma situation.

if you abandon tribalism (which nationalism is just a form of) before everyone else abandons tribalism then you will simply be taken advantage of . Other groups will take what you offer them but will share their goods with their group in preference to with you.

until nearly everyone else shares a mindset that considers all humans the same tribe, it makes sense for you and your people to remain tribal.

>>2824204
That's the moral divide of the day. That internationals "globalism" is directly morally good, and nationalism is morally bad, which is what I disagree with.

I think we'd all disagree with bullying countries into doing things like making laws and trade deals that directly hurt their own people, to the benefit of international corporations, or invading and indiscriminately bombing countries that stopped trading their resources on (name of world reserve currency here). However, some people will say "That's the result of nationalist flag-wavers", while some will say "That's globalists and the banks"

I see nationalism as doing right by the people who elected you, and rely on you to represent them. I see internationalism (in practice) as the enforcement of a status quo, based on monetary control, and often times running into direct conflict with the interests of the common people.

>>2823943
You know how many "historians" pollute their works with ideology? A great many of them. Just being trained does not qualify you to judge the works of others; except for yourself. It does qualify you to criticize, but not to judge for others.

A post should be judged on its own merits, not on the qualifications of the poster. If a post uses citations and is well constructed, it should be more well received than your average "hur dure, muh feelings, my opinion" post.

It is up to us to decide for ourselves what kind of board we want - simply by ignoring those we deem unqualified to debate or even criticize.

>>2824205

I'm not any of those things. I just know my income and I know the income of others. I also know my IQ and know the IQ of others. Most people that are able to handle talking on an imageboard (or even have an interest in discussing politics for real) are rarely 80-90 IQ monkeys.

>>2823661
>yet the implication is that globalism
That's never implied at all.

>>2824200
>No, not by any means
But it was. "Hello I'm Bismarck and I would like to own all of Germany. Why well uh because we all speak German so now I get to justify 5 or so wars to unify Germany under Prussia." And that's just one example.

>It allows people to self-associate and form organic bonds of community and shared values and interests, which is something sorely overlooked in importance, today.
I mean agree that stuff is important. But again why does it have to be about Nationality? I mean you could form those bonds over anything. Religion, Gender, playing video games. Seems pretty arbitrary to me.

>>2824197
>implying I assume everyone is a commie
Try to counter my original argument not evade it with a stupid question.
You still a ideologue that will get crushed by history and it's wheels, try to prove me wrong while the antithesis has a stronger and more solid argument than your thesis.

>>2824160
lol at there being no rebuttal to this.

Left wing cucks are so intellectual weak it's pitiful.

their brand of intellectual thought is just a framework of make believe that they can't defend in the least.

>>2824225
"No" as in it's not necessarily a perfect concept, as people wrongly assume internationalism is (end of history and so forth).

>>2824225
It solidifies a common language, system of beliefs and values and natural loyalty to one another, as opposed to a passport and shared economy, which only exists in-so-far as we're not undergoing famine / depression.

>>2824219

I find this hypocritical to say the least. So you have a huge problem with another country telling you what to do. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe smaller regions within your own country have a problem with YOU telling them what to do? It's literally no different. This is the great fucking hypocrisy of nationalism. You make it seem like everyone that's in a country is happy, or wants to be there. Many do not. Many would rather separate and be their own province. And that's why I support the European project. Because in an Europe that's all closed borders, going independent as a small city or tiny region is impossible, and the people you separate from would fuck you up the ass. But if there's a greater authority that keeps them from doing that, maybe you can start building something of your own.

Current nationalism is useless. It does nothing. The majority of citizens in their own country are meaningless and have no power. Whether things stay as they are or get even bigger isn't going to change that.

There needs to be a better system, that offers more choices to people but on a smaller scale. And I don't think nationalism can bring that about.

I don't want a globalist Europe, and I don't want a Europe made out of many countries either. I want a federal Europe, like what America was supposed to be. Each state does whatever the fuck it wants, except in this case the states would be far smaller.

Nationalism is loyalty.
Loyalty is a universal form of morality. Loyalty can be expressed in many ways; the love of a mother, siblings defending each other, the "company man", patriotism, nationalism.
It's not that nationalism is inherently bad. Nationalism taken too far - like anything taken too far - is bad.
When you think your nation is superior to all others, that's fine. But when you think that your superiority justifies you doing things you would never tolerate in others - it's nationalism taken too far.

Attacking sovereign nations to further your interests - but never expecting others to attack you, is nationalism taken too far.
Toppling other governments and installing regimes that favor your nation to the detriment of the other nations people is nationalism taken too far.

Genocide or ethnic cleansing, no matter how slow, to favor your own people is obviously going too far.

But feeling pride in your nations accomplishments, even feeling yourself superior to others - as long as you don't harm them - is perfectly moral.

>>2824237
It's about the level of kinship.

a tribe has to decide whether the level of kinship is above a certain threshold which marks whether it is more beneficial to join with another tribe and form a conglomerated tribe with shared interests or remain a separate tribe.

within european nations, the different regions and groups comprising those nations have overwhelmingly agreed that the kinship level is high enough that it is better to conglomerate, with the exception of some separatist movements in spain say.

when it comes to the EU there has even been a decent amount of success in different nations agreeing that there is enough kinship to cooperate in this joint EU project. even if the EU fails in teh future, it stll kept on for 30 years which is a measure of some success.

But where there is definitely NOT enough kinship is between european nations and the millions of illegal immigrants from africa and the middle east.
These are people who will take whatever is offered but feel little kinship to europe so will will share whatever they have in preference to their own groups, and who do not want to assimilate but establish their islamic norms and way of life here, commit far more violent crime per capita than normal, consider our women fair game sluts because they're not muslim and wear short sleaves, etc.

So this is how nationalism applies today.

>>2823645
"Why do people disagree with me?!?!"

>>2823882
Ask yourself the same question about your prefered flavor of the week ideology.

Then ask yourself what you would have answered 5 or 10 years ago.

Then imagine what you would say in 5 or 10 years.

AND THEN you will realize what changes and what stays the same throughout history and you will hopefully be a little more able to think for yourself.

I am not a nationalist btw, if for some reason that should tick you off. Just trying to make /hum/ a little more /his/.

>>2824292

See, that's where we disagree, because I find nationalism an inherently emotive thing. Preferring your own culture simply because it's yours, and because you feel an unerring, though misplaced, sense of duty.

I wouldn't say keeping immigrants out of Europe is nationalism because it has nothing to do with any one nation or any arbitrary set of facts. These people come here with harmful intent and/or to get many things for little work. I would consider that closing the borders to such people is a rational decision.

But here's the difference: a nationalist wouldn't want people from another nation regardless of their quality. A nationalist wouldn't exchange an European guy with an IQ of 95 for an Egyptian with an IQ of 150 that has a PhD in physics. They simply do not care. To them, race and ethnicity comes first.

And I simply don't see it that way. The quality of people comes first. And I don't think Europe stands for any arbitrary set of values so that an intelligent foreigner couldn't adapt. What person wouldn't like freedom and freedom of speech and opportunity? Nobody.

So while I would bar the gates from people that are illiterate, or just plain dumb, I would leave them wide open for people of quality.

>>2824228

>Try to counter my original argument not evade it with a stupid question.

What was your argument? Did you even have one? Restate it clearly, mong.

>You still a ideologue that will get crushed by history and it's wheels

Yeah, yeah, yeah, wheels of history, bla, bla, bla, [insert Farage-tier fear-mongering here].

The wheels of history crush everyone, sooner or later, and nobody knows who or when or how.

>>2824310
>A nationalist wouldn't exchange an European guy with an IQ of 95 for an Egyptian with an IQ of 150 that has a PhD in physics.
Why would I want to screw over my countrymen for some Egyptian who'd be better off helping his own nation anyway? If you were that 95IQ European would you want to be so carelessly tossed aside for any foreigner who has a higher IQ?

>>2824328
>Why would I want to screw over my countrymen for some Egyptian who'd be better off helping his own nation anyway?

To profit from him? Universities always compete for the best researches regardless of their ethnicity. If western Unis adapted policy of not accepting foreigners their level would drop as would level of science in general.

>>2823692
>>2823710
You're either incredibly new or just delusional. /his/ has always been filled with shitposting since day one. The real problem is /humanities/ which just allows for shitty bait threads like this. We should send all the humanities people back to /lit/ and make this purely a history board.
Also someone please post the &Humanities pic.

>>2823645
No, be Historians doesn't mean they have to stand above above nationalism. Why do you have such idiotic concept? And No, nationalism is not a petty concept, it's the foundation of modern countries, it's why you have "nationality" in your passport. I think transsexualism, feminazism and SJWism or "白左"(/pol/tards most favorite buzz word nowadays) are far more petty and disgusting actually. I'm not white man btw.

>>2824345
What the fuck is "白左". Are you Asian?

Why so many murilards in this thread speak against nationalism when their country is one of the most nationalistic in the world?

>>2824343
>To profit from him?
Pretty callous and honestly kind of sociopathic thing to say.

>>2824328

>If you were that 95IQ European would you want to be so carelessly tossed aside for any foreigner who has a higher IQ?

Of course not, but that happens anyway (not out of the country, but it's inevitable due to their lack of qualifications). But we have laws to prevent the worst of it.

>Egyptian who'd be better off helping his own nation anyway?

I know this is a meme around alt-right channels like Molyneux, but it's completely false. Most of the people that come from war-torn countries have nothing to do there. A guy that's dedicated his life to academia and needs money for research isn't going to get it from some Islamic backwater, that's for damn sure. He won't benefit anyone back there, where he could benefit us far more than what we expend to keep him studying/researching here.

Do you think that so many companies are overrun by the best people from all over the globe just because of affirmative action? Of course not. They try to get the creme de la creme.

I won't even get into the fact that the research these people do in the West benefits every person worldwide. Technology isn't developed just for America, or just for Europe, it's developed and often helps out the less developed countries even more, because it allows them to get shit cheaper or to deal with their environmental problems more easily.

>>2824354
>Why do people strive to be powerful?
>Why isn't the world pink colored paradise with qt ponies?

>>2823645
How can one be against Nationalism if they live in a nation state?

>>2824354

>Pretty callous and honestly kind of sociopathic thing to say.

>mfw you're a right-winger yet talk like a marxist

It's amusing, honestly.

>>2824367
More like an old guard social democrat from the time before social democrats' unending love for unchecked immigration, but whatever

>>2824310
you can disagree if you want but but the fact remains that if you act without any sense of tribalism you will vulnerable to being taken advantage of by groups who do have a sense of tribalism. read >>2824214


btw, a nationalist might well be ok with small numbers of highly capable people immigrating.

Some would even wholeheartedly adopt a mindset where the idea of a nation and its citizenry has no trace of ethnic or historical identity and is rooted purely in culture and values and loyalty to the nation.
This is not the usual form of nationalism though and a typical nationalist would be against allowing or taking the risk that his people would become a minority ethnic group in the country they've lived in for thousands of years and built, again , because doing so would be acting without tribalism and assuming other groups would hold no tribal loyalty and preferences so freely sharing your country and its resources with people who will act with preference to their own kind rather than share back with you.

>>2824372
We'd probably need a fucking alien invasion before we united as an entire species. People won't look at it that way unless there is a larger are more different threat.

>>2824378
I agree.

Nations are always forged in the solidarity we naturally have when an external force try to fuck us.

Look at the snake meme in the US. Unite because in 20 years the red coats will be back.
France became more than an aristocatic network of vassals only in the 100 year war. The idea of Italy was born from the wars with France.
Germans united only to face the colonial powers.

>>2824343
would you profit if you allowed this idea to proliferate unchecked?

let's say you allowed the immigration of anyone who you expected to increase the GDP and yen you let in say 3 million erdogan supporting turks, 5 million egyptians , and so on until you had a majority of people in your country who shared some tribal sense of loyalty to islam and middle eastern islamic values and they exercised their demographic voting power and put in a party who would implement sharia inspired laws like is the case in many legal systems in the middle east today.

Is that the kind of country you want your child to grow up in?
With totally different culture and norms and values that are against western, enlightened, secular , liberal values and where your people are a minority in the country which they built?

that's not in most european people's interests.

>>2824372

>you can disagree if you want but but the fact remains that if you act without any sense of tribalism you will vulnerable to being taken advantage of by groups who do have a sense of tribalism

How that tribe is formed is up to the individuals themselves, though. Trust me, I can think of many people I know from across my borders that I would pick a thousand times over over people I know from within my country.

Fifty years ago, what you're saying might've been true. Nowadays, not so much. People are separated far more by their interests and worldview than they are by their nationality. This might not seem obvious in nationalist groups, because they take pride in their own shit. But if you're interested in... I don't know, science, or philosophy, or whatever the fuck else, why would anyone's place of origin matter? If they speak English and have the right values, that's all that matters.

>>2824390
We weren't talking about millions, were we?

>>2824402
In the real world, it's in millions for big European countries. France have about 10 millions non Europeans.

>>2824409
Out of those millions only a small fraction have the quality.

>>2824390

Because skilled, talented, and highly-intelligent people are renowned for their dogmatic beliefs and passion for religion and nationalism, am I right?

And it has to be an absurd situation where you're importing millions of people too, huh? Because the Middle-East is renowned for such people.

Jesus fucking Christ. How desperate are you?

>>2824409

YES BUT THEY'RE NOT FUCKING HIHGLY LITERATE SCIENTISTS WITH PHDS, ARE THEY?

>>2824416
>>2824413
Who said the opposite?

>>2823692
>This place used to be great, like a year ago.

This nostalgia boggles my mind. /his/ is just a different flavor of shit, but it never used to be 'better informed'. It was optimistic for a month at best before the cynicism and shitpost culture set in. Even before that, people were crying about /pol/ day one.

>>2824417
Statistics?

Nationalists (meaning actual nationalists, the ethnic variety, not the retarded civiccs) like history because nationalists are naturally interested in their ancestral origin, and the existence of their people. It is reinforcing to understand the continuity of an ethnos throughout the millennias of Human history, and all the cool imagery and culture of your people.

Marxists only read history to bend it to their ideology for their money autism. It is a completely hollow and lifeless perspective. Everything is money. Everything is 'power'. Everything is cynical self serving greed. The only good people are proto-'progressives', in their inadvertent acts that speed up dialectics. BRAAAAAAAAAAP *snore*

Liberals, I don't even know why they bother with history.

>>2824417

>>But here's the difference: a nationalist wouldn't want people from another nation regardless of their quality. A nationalist wouldn't exchange an European guy with an IQ of 95 for an Egyptian with an IQ of 150 that has a PhD in physics. They simply do not care. To them, race and ethnicity comes first.

>>And I simply don't see it that way. The quality of people comes first. And I don't think Europe stands for any arbitrary set of values so that an intelligent foreigner couldn't adapt. What person wouldn't like freedom and freedom of speech and opportunity? Nobody.

>>So while I would bar the gates from people that are illiterate, or just plain dumb, I would leave them wide open for people of quality.

That was where we fucking started from. Are you retarded? Did nationalism rot your brain?

This whole conversation has been about everyone unanimously being against mass immigration, whereas I and the other guy said controlled immigration is good, and I gave you a fitting criteria.

So what FUCKING CONVERSATION are you following?

>>2823828

Generals attract the worst kinds of autism.

>>2823828
>Threads last for day as it is, but retards are too stupid to check the catalog.

So generals are the solution to people making threads without seeing if there's already a thread?

Tell me more.

>>2824423

>if it doesn't concern me on a personal level, it's irrelevant

Uninstall yourself, you egocentric piece of shit. People like you are the reason republics fall and countries go to war.

>>2824429

Yes, because if you did have generals you would have a mod putting that in the sticky and deleting unwanted threads. As opposed to now, where people kill threads constantly in order to start some garbage Nazi shit. See the difference?

>>2823908
He stands for a sectional interest. All politicians stand for sectional interests. Trump's America are the white trash and Obama's America are the coastal elites, and their policies reflect the interests of their power bases

>>2824434
Could be a decent idea. Something like WWII has too much shit in it though to really be contained to a general. There's a lot of variety since it was a war that dealt with most of the war. Just hide threads and don't reply to them, or hunt on page 10 for stuff you want to revive

>>2823724
Nice bantz

>>2824430
Hello r/communism, having a nice raid are we?

>>2823750
Simply because I like history. If a time period is interesting, i study it.

I actually became more apolitical after studying history.

>>2824443

I don't even like communism. My grandfather was fucking killed by communists.

That doesn't mean I'm a retard with no interest in the world, though. I'm interested in learning about everything, regardless of whether or not it's directly related to me.

Again, because I'm not an egocentric turd.

>>2824423
Nationalists usually just pick the period of their choice and romanticize/distort it beyond all repair. Not much different from what Marxists do.

Honestly, I like nationalism and fascism because no one else really offers a better deal

What's the problem?
I'm a Indian nationalist, I would die for my people and what they've built together yet I'm interested in history and view it from an unbiased stance. What's wrong with nationalism?

>>2824461

>I'm a Indian nationalist

I'm so sorry.

>>2824463
Literally nothing bro. Butthurt commies who can't get over ethnicity/race beating the hell out of their beloved actual social construct of 'class'.

>>2824343
>Universities always compete for the best researches regardless of their ethnicity.
Universities were I live make SOME attempt to enroll local students. This is reasonable and fair.
> If western Unis adapted policy of not accepting foreigners their level would drop as would level of science in general.
For the marginal levels it would drop, we'd have a much more secure population which i'm more invested in.

>>2824463
>Indian nationalist

what the fuck are you proud of? Failing to rebel against the british, twice? Getting pity points? Being invaded and taken over by muslims before that? Never ever ever ever being relevant on the world stage until the british show up? Being that weird little isolated corner of the world that was inferior to everyone around them?

>>2824478

>Literally nothing bro. Butthurt commies who can't get over ethnicity/race beating the hell out of their beloved actual social construct of 'class'.

Can you point to a single supposed "commie" in this thread, you deluded moron? Do you even know what communism is? Get off of /pol/ and get yourself an actual education. You have no idea what communism is.

>>2824486
t. butthurt commie

>>2824483

>For the marginal levels it would drop
>marginal levels

Do you have any idea how many students are foreigners in prestigious universities, stupid?

Do you have any idea how many non-Westerners work in high position jobs doing research?

It wouldn't be a marginal loss. It would be a catastrophic one.

>>2824493
We have native citizens who could do all those jobs. H1B visas are just a scam by corporations to pay workers less money.

>>2824491

>I can't provide any evidence of what I'm saying so I'm going to meme my way out of it like a rat

How unsurprising.

>>2823645
To quote a shitty historian, "There is no such thing as neutrality on a moving train."

>>2824469
Explain.
Are you Chinese or Paki?

>>2824496

>We have native citizens who could do all those jobs.

You can't seriously believe this, can you?

>>2824491
you don't have to be a commie or a globalist to laugh at how stupid nationalism is. I mean, didnt you have the 3rd grade lecture with everyone else about why unbridled nationalism can be a bad-and stupid-thing? Must have skipped that lecture .

Also there's literally nothing to be proud of as an Indian. Bunch of dirty negros that found there way to Asia and have been fucking retarded ever since until white people fixed them.

>>2824497
is the butthurt commie gonna cwy?

>>2824501
I know it for a fact. We don't need legions of pajeets and chinks to do tech work. Corporations need them to pay native workers less and hold fear of layoffs over their heads like a dagger.

>>2823685
It gets even more frustrating when you realize even /pol/ and /tg/ are better educated on the matter. /pol/ isn't sending their best.

>>2824469
>>2824485
>anti-nationalists respond with blatant racism and hatred to foreigners
So much for tolerant globalism

>>2824425
So, you define a word yourself, give it a ridiculous meaning and then tag that word on people you disagree with and look smug?

This don't make you look smart.

I am nationalist and I am for letting the Egyptian doctor in. His family need to be an asset to the country if they want to come, otherwise he will work here, be a positive force for us and once he made enough money he will go back to Egypt.

Win-win.

The hundred of families who are good enough to come can be naturalized, it will only improve us.

>>2824513
>The hundred of families who are good enough to come can be naturalized, it will only improve us.
It will improve "us" at the expense of Egypt. Honestly the Egyptian doctor should be at home healing Egyptian. Trust me, Egypt needs doctors with an IQ of 150 far more than the West or Japan does.

>>2823780
The Globalist promotes cooperation as he drone strikes you.

>>2824512
I'm not a globalist you emaciated nigger.
There are like 5 countries in the world you can be proud to be a part of. Everyone else is an embarrassing loser that was either nothing before whites or is still nothing after whites. Japanese are the only worthy race on that half of the planet. You shouldn't be proud of inferiority and weakness. That's called realism, not globalism.

t. capitalist American

>>2824343
>To profit from him?
Unless you're in the 1% you don't profit from him buddy.

>>2824520
>To profit
Nice false flagging, shlomo.

>>2824501
Yes. Capitalist scum import millions of foreigners to put pressure on the common people. They don't want to do the jobs because pay is shit and there are few benefits. We shouldn't let capitalists screw our countrymen like this. Rather than import cheap, desperate workers we should force the ruling class to provide benefits so natives can work the jobs comfortably.

>>2823645
>Should historians be [followers of mainstream ideological positions] and stand above such [nonmainstream] concepts?
No.

>>2823799
Why would people throw their loyalty to artificial things like blood and soil when they can be loyal to natural entities like supranational corporate fiefdoms?

>>2824523
wrong guy Einstein

>>2824506

I'm not butthurt, because I'm not a commie, and you're an idiot. I'm probably more right-wing than you are. I'm just not a moron that believes in national identities.

>>2824507

Granted, but I'm not talking about small-time people. I mean extremely qualified once-in-a-lifetime geniuses.

It's obvious that droves of ants that just do repetitive work aren't needed and we should stop taking them in.

>>2824512

If only anyone in this thread were a globalist. Also, once someone states they're a nationalist they've lost any kind of default aegis they might have had.

>>2824513

I don't even know who or what exactly you're replying to.

>>2824517

Because by chanting Islamic script, he's going to heal people using his IQ and lacking any and all technology he requires to do complex surgeries.

>>2824520
>Japanese are the only worthy race on that half of the planet
Go away, Ken sama.

>>2824532
I'm calling you shlomo , "capitalist American" friend.

>>2824520
>Americans butthurt that other countries are nationalist too
Can't say I'm surprised

>>2824535
>Because by chanting Islamic script, he's going to heal people using his IQ and lacking any and all technology he requires to do complex surgeries.
We don't live in the 19th century anymore. Any technological we have in the West can easily be found in Egypt. Our hospitals donate a few year's old tech to the 3rd world on a regular bases. Also Egypt isn't Saudi Arabia, not that would it matter anyway as the gulf states have plenty of money and professionals.

>>2824496
Research is not really a "job" anyone could do.

Take a look at the sport teams. How many people in FC Barcelona are from Barcelona or even Spain?

This board is absolute trash and this thread only proves it. The fact that it has 200+ replies is appaling.

We need SERIOUS moderation to make /his/ look like something.

Who are historians? What constitutes a historian?

Just about anyone can spend a few hours to learn about the historical method. All they do is analysis and retrodiction, anyone can do that. What difference is there between a Harvard graduate is history, and an online forum history buff?

It's safe to say that the buff is passionate about the subject, and for all we know the Harvard graduate just took that route to increase job prospects.

This isn't 1017 where only a paucity of people had access to books that needed be copied by hand.

>it's a "Westerners try to force their cancerous beliefs on other people" episode

>>2824540
and yet you quoted the other guy like a retard.


Look at all these second class humans getting mad at the first world master races. You know I take it back, South Korea is pretty good at starcraft, they can join the honorary white race too.

>>2824517
>at the expense of Egypt
And I give a fuck because?

>>2824530

Who is going to force you to work for a corporation? You're just bringing that in for no reason. I'm just saying that I can conceive of a future where people aggregate for reasons other than ethnicity and nationality. People with similar interests and mindsets have always formed clusters.

>>2823819
>Nationalism is the ideological equivalent of "fuck you, got mine." Whereas globalism is like a Foxconn suicide net, gently catching every factory slave attempting to escape their torment.

>>2823874
Israel didn't commit a genocide you dumbass.

>>2824520

>Japanese are the only worthy race on that half of the planet.

>the people that invented nothing, spent centuries avoiding conflict on an island, and only got propped up into being a first world country by white piggu

Truly, a civilization like none other. Call me when Japan invents something or gets a Nobel laureate. They have less than most east European countries, when they're first world and have a huge populations.

Whereas China is the greatest civilization that's ever existed, even if communism has kept it down for a while.

>>2824552
Let's see.
>The majority of Westerner's don't benefit
>The majority of Egyptians don't benefit
Nice argument.

>>2823896
No country on the continent has a real military besides France. They couldn't fight even if they wanted to unless the U.S. made it happen.

>>2824544

>We don't live in the 19th century anymore. Any technological we have in the West can easily be found in Egypt. Our hospitals donate a few year's old tech to the 3rd world on a regular bases. Also Egypt isn't Saudi Arabia, not that would it matter anyway as the gulf states have plenty of money and professionals.

Are you kidding me, my dude? Most local hospitals in first world countries barely have the equipment they need. And you're talking about hospitals from Islamic countries.

>>2824558

t. Goldstein

I'm sure those Palestinians happily left their homes to make way for the master race Ashkenazim Jews, amirite?

>>2824558
actually they did, about 1800-1900 years back. They pretty much invented genocide during their revolts by killing every non-jewish man, woman, and child.
That's assuming they didn't already invent genocide when they originally conquered the place, that's also possible. Point is, jews have been playing the genocide game for a while, they were the first "we wuz master race" after all.

>>2824560
What are you talking about? Surely, (((somebody))) benefits?

>>2824560
Majority of people won't notice anything in either case.

>>2824563
>real military
>can't even quell a riot

>>2824565
>Are you kidding me, my dude? Most local hospitals in first world countries barely have the equipment they need. And you're talking about hospitals from Islamic countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hospitals_in_Egypt

I'm not kidding, friend. Egypt has plenty of technology and opportunities for it's citizens if they're THAT remarkable.

>>2823692
How the fuck can people revise the history of a board that is literally only a year old.
I've been here since day fucking one, and it hasn't changed quality a single bit.

>>2824560

I'm amazed how you people turn these arguments however you want to weasel your way out.

It's actually incredible. You spend your entire time in these threads accusing us of being commies, then start making these abstract moral arguments only a commie would make.

First you argue that there's nothing wrong with looking out for your own interests, but as soon as a person says the same that isn't a nationalist, whoops, you think it's important to avoid gains because it's immoral :((((

/pol/tards are truly the most inconsistent scum that exists.

>>2824559
>China is the greatest civilization that's ever existed

that must be why they got conquered by a private british company, or why Japan was able to so easily push their shit in despite having a fraction of the population and going against russian, british, and American support.

The Japanese takeover of China is beautiful stuff, they learned so much from us white devils, brings a tear toy eye how well they did that, shame we had to put down ol' yeller but he got a little too aggressive.

>>2824573
>First you argue that there's nothing wrong with looking out for your own interests
Nice getting me mixed up. I never once argued that in this thread.

>>2824573
>abstract moral arguments only a commie would make.
>abstract moral arguments
>commies
lmao

>>2824535
cwy little commie little commie cwy cwy sniffle

>>2824507

> I know it for a fact. We don't need legions of pajeets and chinks to do tech work. Corporations need them to pay native workers less and hold fear of layoffs over their heads like a dagger.

Go look at the CS or Engineering department of any reputable university.

Chinese and Indians easily make up half of those departments. Even if all of them are somehow magically removed, there's not going to be enough qualified domestic students to fill their spots.

Which means there's not going to be enough graduates with the expertise to fulfill industry needs.

>>2824573
Why does looking out for your own interests first suddenly mean you're unable to care about others at all? His point is that neither group benefits

>>2824186
meta threads are instant trash in the first place, fuck off.

Why do Amerilards hate nationalism so much?
Is it because they have no culture of their own?

>>2824570

What? I'm not doubting that hospitals exist, lol. There are plenty of hospitals in east Europe too, and southern America. Have you been in one? Probably not, if you're making these sorts of claims.

And if they do have incredible skills, why should they waste them working in east Europe where they're paid only a fraction of what they could potentially earn abroad? Just why? Who are you to say who does and who doesn't get to do what's in their self-interest?

And who is to say that east Europeans can't take people from Africa that are highly-skilled that find the shit pay there preferable to what they'd get at home?

It's a free world, amigo.

>>2824588
They substitue for it by divide people based on race.

>>2824581
>Chinese and Indians easily make up half of those departments. Even if all of them are somehow magically removed, there's not going to be enough qualified domestic students to fill their spots.
In my country it could and would happen. We could easily incentive more natives. The top 0.45% doesn't want it to happen.

Erdogan will fix this

>>2824592
>And if they do have incredible skills, why should they waste them working in east Europe where they're paid only a fraction of what they could potentially earn abroad?
Because they screw over the population of wherever they go. Why should I support that?

>>2824583

Both group benefit, they're just too blind to see it, mostly because none of these people have ever even stepped into a poor country in their fucking life.

So let me explain to you how it works. Yes, a highly-skilled doctor can CLEARLY find a job in a bad country. Of course doctors are in demand. But you do not NEED a doctor that's that skilled for the sort of work he can do there. It's drudgery. It's below him.

Whereas if he goes to America, or any other place, he could help people that need his SPECIFIC skills, that CAN'T be fulfilled by someone else.

Most importantly, you people do not seem to fucking understand that immigrants funnel money back to their countries. What, you think the thousands of Romanians, Bulgarians, Ukrainians and Poles that overrun western Europe are spending their money there? Of course not. More than half of that is being sent home to their families, or more.

So even on this most basic level, the people in poor countries do benefit. And the doctor example is, of course, maximum cherry picking. If you'd pick a proper example like, say, an expert cybernetics or A.I., you would have no argument to make whatever in favor of him staying home. None. Whereas the things he helps to develop improve the entire globe.

This is like that shitty argument Russians use to explain why their country is shit.

>boohoo, the mean american uses all the world's resources

Yeah, and the mean American is also the one creating 99% of the tech that's improving their lives and their economy.

>>2824610

People in poor countries don't need brain surgery?

>>2824598

>We could easily incentive more natives.

You seem to think becoming smart is all about having incentives and a willingness to study. It's not. 90% of it simply having a high IQ and enough of a motivation to put it into use.

These people that are cherry-picked from India, China, and whatever other hellhole aren't coming because they have an 80 IQ. They're coming because they're a spike in an otherwise stupid population that can be put to use in a developed country (a developed country which, in spite of what you might think, doesn't have people with a high IQ and high motivation lying around on every street corner).

>>2824600

How exactly are they screwing over the population?

Let's say I'm running a business. Mohammad comes in and is willing to do your work for the same amount of money, but he's twice as smart, twice as hardworking, and my customers are far more satisfied with him.

So I should suffer, and my company should suffer, because you're a moron that's getting replaced by a supposed subhuman from another continent? Yeah, cry more, basically. Learn to behave and to work, and then you won't get replaced. Or make use of the same human resources others are.

JESUS I STILL CAN'T GET OVER HOW YOU'RE TALKING LIKE A LITERAL FUCKING COMMUNIST, WHILE CALLING OTHERS GLOBALIST COMMIES.

FUCK.

>>2824610
Said cybernetics hyper AI mechanigger could found a fucking company in deepest jungle of Congo, employ locals while selling his end product to the west. You, in your glorious and wonderful globalist wisdom, would bring that dude here where he would be out-competed or be mired in legal/cultural/linguistic problems that hinder his cybernetocs faggotry.

God you're so fucking retarded.

>>2824616

They do, but having a doctor there to perform it if he doesn't have the necessary tools won't magically make a brain surgery happen.

>>2824627

I don't know how stupid you are if you think that you can start a corporation in a third world country with no means and no manpower, while mired in the deepest pit of government corruption.

You are truly an uninformed cretin that has never once stepped outside of his comfort zone and been to another country.

>>2824628

So no brain surgery in the meantime?

Yeah, let him come here were we have enough of them to fill demand, but we have to suppress wages somehow.

>>2824505
That third grade lecture is propaganda. The pros outweigh the cons. You can't maintain a nation that no one gives a shit about.

>>2824547
I'd say a historian is someone who actually works in the field, but OP is a retard who thinks that reading a couple pop history book.

>>2824636

>Yeah, let him come here were we have enough of them to fill demand.

It's not about meeting demand, it's about having the most qualified person for the job.

This is no different from running a fucking guild, for Christ's sake. Any retard can "meet the demand" and tank, unless he's legitimately deficient. But I would absolutely replace him with a guy that knows the game in the same role. Every time. And so would you, if you were honest with yourself.

People in America don't deserve less good brain surgeons than people anywhere else.

>>2824623
I don't care if you or your shitty company get screwed over. Companies exist for the workers not the ruling class

Market liberalism is cancer 2bh

>>2824402
>>2824414
So then you're admitting that the "let in people if they are beneficial" paradigm can only be carried out to a small extent or else it will have negative consequences for the native population.

You're insisting that the number of people you let in be small because you're conceding that if immigrants from the middle east and africa became the plurality or majority there would be undesirable consequences.

>>2824400
I happen to be rather sympathetic to this because I'm not that aligned with ethno-nationalism and I think immmigration from allover the world has worked very well for my country (UK) so far except for when it comes to blacks and middle eastern/south and central asian muslims.

but your claim that most people do not feel a sense of tribalism to their origins is not a safe one.

For example the recent wave of muslim illegal migrants from the middle east and africa will definitely have a significant proportion who feel far greater tribal togetherness and loyalty to other muslims and feel disdain for western culture and liberal western values.

even if you only care about your country's values being maintained, you should want to slow muslim immigration down to a trickle.

but really you should care about your native ethnic population remaining the large majority of the country because hoping that your country will remain a western country with enlightenment values when the natives who built the country and established those legal institutions and traditions you hold dear are only a minority is a very precarious thing to hope for .

the only way for your country to really be safe for your great grand children and their great grand children is for your people to remain the large majority.

European nations are already pretty close to reaching the limit of what is safely sustainable.

>>2824581
College wouldn't be so fucking expensive if it weren't for them. The danger of a privatized education system is that when you have immigrants coming from all over the world to your schools it tends to drive up prices.

>>2824642
>People in America don't deserve less good brain surgeons than people anywhere else.

But you effectively want less of them in poorer countries. And just because those places are materially in worse standing that doesn't mean that they "just simply can't afford to buy the tools".

>>2824643

Actually, they exist for the customer and the employer both, you fucking mong.

>>2824623
He's not talking like a commie. He's talking like a nationalist who wants to protect his people. Protectionism isn't communism. It's far from free market, but it isn't communism.

>>2824661
t. will get lynched during the inevitable working people's revolution

>>2824642
For the most part we aren't importing brain surgeons though, we are importing millions of uneducated laborers who only exist to keep wages down. In places with a sophisticated welfare state this is extremely dangerous.

>>2824637
no retard, subdued nationalism is fine, they tell you in that same lecture that a little nationalism is good. But everything is relative, too much is bad and leads to retarded shit. You should prefer your own nation and take pride in its achievements, but when you take it too far it breeds stupidity like rabbit breeds hawk food.

>>2824671
>we are importing millions of uneducated laborers who only exist to keep wages down.

Why does it need to "keep wages down"? They can stay where they're at.

The libertarian idea of a labour "glut" is a meme.

>>2824650

>or else it will have negative consequences for the native population.

Mainly because bringing in people indiscriminately risks bringing in undesirables. We already have undesirables. We already have entire neighborhoods of losers living on welfare that are so fucked up or so stupid they aren't capable of working any job, and their number is only growing as tech advances.

So, yes, I only want the best, but not for the same reasons as you do.

>>2824650

Honestly, I'm kind of taking it for granted that people won't be dumb enough to take in Muhammad and with Qur'an in one hand, and his wive's blood on the other.

>>2824656

I don't want less, it's just an unfortunate consequence of a free world. People in America need the guy, and he wants to lead a better life there than back home.

And if I were one of those guys that's trapped into working for pennies while another guy across the world is going around in private jets for doing the work I am, I would honestly kill myself.

>>2824623
>he thinks it's absolutely impossible to be a leftist while also calling for very limited immigration
I'd very much prefer that the welfare, which I voted for, goes to my countrymen, not to some Abdullah or Mwambasi who arrived yesterday.

>>2824679
Sure, they could but capitalists have a different idea

>>2824676
You just said nationalism was stupid, why backtrack now?

>>2824680

So you admit that you think that the third world having less medical specialists is just "unfortunate" cause the doc needs a higher wage for a bigger flat screen?

>>2824681

Who ever said that you would be bringing in immigrants that are going to be on welfare? Have you even followed the chain of posts? I was completely against anything of the kind.

>>2824664

Fair enough, but it's still fucking idiotic for a person that has such a stance to scream commie at another person that's a legit capitalist.

>>2824688
read my post again
>unbridled nationalism

see the adjective there? good boy.

>>2824679
>"glut" is a meme
No it isn't, in the US we have a huge black market for labor below minimum wage. It's simple supply and demand. The rich people who push for this shit want to keep wages down because it makes them money. Look at the growing trend of people only being hired for part time so the company doesn't have to give benefits. This could not happen if labor was more scarce.

>>2824692
>Who ever said that you would be bringing in immigrants that are going to be on welfare?

They're utilization of the safety net is already quite disproportionate. See NW-Europe for example.

>>2824691

>So you admit that you think that the third world having less medical specialists is just "unfortunate" cause the doc needs a higher wage for a bigger flat screen?

What he needs the money for is irrelevant. It's his work and his money. It's none of your business. Nor is it anyone else's. He's free to work or not work as he pleases. He has no obligation to be a martyr just because he was born in the "wrong" country.

And like I said before, most people that manage to "escape" often use most of their money to send it back home to their families.

>>2824203
your critical thinking skills and reading comprehension skills have failed you. stop being dense and read between the lines.

>>2824703

t. context-deaf race-blind libertarian autist

>>2824702

Yes, but we aren't talking about how it's working right now in real life. These retards have clearly failed and brought in all manner of illiterate scum.

We are talking about how it SHOULD be done. That is, bringing in people that want and are capable of offering unique and prized skills, and throwing out anyone that isn't working.

>>2824701

That's why you pass wage control laws...

>>2824694
even it's pros, as you so eloquently put it, are largely stupid. There's no reason to take pride in another's accomplishments because they were a citizen of the same nation as you, and yet feeling that pride helps motivate people to achieve further great things, even if it is inherently stupid. What's also stupid is having low nationalism at a time of crisis, where unity is necessary for stability. My argument was for relative nationalism, a motivating factor that should never be your main source of motivation.

>>2823645
>Shouldn't Historians be objective
kek, historians in Britain are all panderers to the loony left.

Right now there are historians who're trying to claim that North Africans were black, and that blacks lived in London during the Roman period, they claim Britain was always a Multicultural society with Blacks and Asians.

Historians are SPINELESS.

>>2824694
Intense nationalism doesn't necessarily breed militancy, just an overwhelming urge to help the nation. If you're a collectivist, this is to be desired.

>>2824692
>Who ever said that you would be bringing in immigrants that are going to be on welfare?
The sad reality is that they absolutely will be, even if he was 200IQ freak of nature somali brain surgeon. This is why I'd close the door for anyone not from inside EU borders, they get paid welfare from their homecountry while they look for employment.

>>2824718

>The sad reality is that they absolutely will be, even if he was 200IQ freak of nature somali brain surgeon.

Why, though?

>>2824713
Wage control as in minimum wage or something else? If you mean minimum we of course do have wage control, but that doesn't change the fact when you have illegals who will undercut locals for jobs. Business owners will take the risk for cheaper wages.

>>2823645
>Shouldn't Historians

I guess .01% of /his actually have degree in History.

Most people here are /pol raiders or religious lunatics.

>>2824722
Because he needs to learn the language to be in any kind of flimsy position to get work without natives out-competing him? Because he needs to be housed? Because his totally legitimate engineering masters is not recognized as a valid degree inside the EU? Because he'd rather sit home playing video games and reading Qu'ran because the natives are dumb enough to pay him for it?

>>2824730

What exactly is valuable about a degree in history?

I'm being serious, experts are supposed to be able to establish veracity through something like prediction. All Historians do is retro-diction, anyone can do that.

>>2824717
it's easily corrupted into militancy though, which is a risk you will always have to watch for when walking that line. Their "overwhelming urge," innocent that it is, can be guided with a carrot on a stick. Seems a dry argument now but every genocide in history spawned from intense nationalism that was innocent at first but was directed into violence and stupidity.

I think this thread is proof that /his/ can have decent discussions and the people who say otherwise either are bitter people have different beliefs, or angry someone called them a faggot in a response.

>>2824738

>Because he needs to learn the language to be in any kind of flimsy position to get work without natives out-competing him?

Why the fuck would we be hiring people that don't speak English?

>Because his totally legitimate engineering masters is not recognized as a valid degree inside the EU?

Again, that's something that should be resolved remotely before he ever steps foot into the country.

>Because he'd rather sit home playing video games and reading Qu'ran because the natives are dumb enough to pay him for it?

???

You're talking about fucking refugees coming in indiscriminately. I am talking about REAL immigrants. Like, people that know the language, have their skills and knowledge attested, and a willingness to work and make a life for themselves.

>>2824714
It's pride in being part of something greater than yourself. It's not literally believing the world owes you for someone else's deeds.

>>2824739

Anyone care to tackle me on this?

What's the difference between someone who reads a book on the theory and method of History and a Yale history grad?

>>2824739

The only thing I can think of is that maybe historians have better connections with archaeologists and thus form better theories using recently unearthed physical evidence.

But soon they'll be able to keep us informed online, anyway.

>>2824750

You really like brain-drain too much.

>inb4 "Trust me, they'll send enough magic fiat funds back home"

>>2824761
More interaction with people in the industry I'd say. People who talk to famous researchers and professors would probably have a better idea of industry standard and practices.

>>2824762

So anyone can be a historian, but not everyone can be a good one.

>>2824769

I can't meet those people on my own volition?

>>2824680
>Honestly, I'm kind of taking it for granted that people won't be dumb enough to take in Muhammad and with Qur'an in one hand, and his wive's blood on the other.

well that's the exact opposite of what has happened in europe.

America and canada have pretty good filters for only taking in highly educated middle class middle eastreners who are far more predisposed to assimilating , but european countries by and large do not.

millions of uneducated, backward muslims with regressive values have come into europe in the last couple of years with virtually no filtration.

nd even before then in the 00s when it wasn't a flood of illegal migrants but legal immigration , european nations still did not filter or choose people who would be beneficial to their country.

that in itself was considered too right wing and nationalist to be palatable to the liberal establishment in many countries.

>>2824775

I would say so. I mean, that's why I despise it when Dan Carlin says "I'm not a historian, I'm just a history enthusiast."

Like, no, you're not. You should take it seriously and account for any mistake you make. Not just "LEL BTW I TOLD YOU I'M NOT AHISTORIAN LOLOLXDDD" your way out of it. Fucking haram behavior, desu.

>>2824783
You can but a degree lends a certain degree of credibility. If you want you could just start writing books, and provided they're good and well researched that could break you through. Without a degree though, nobody actually knows if you sat down and read all the material though. Look at something like a computer science degree, where a degree isn't mandatory in some coding jobs as long as you can prove that you are competent.

>>2824783
>>2824783
You can but a degree lends a certain degree of credibility. If you want you could just start writing books, and provided they're good and well researched that could break you through. Without a degree though, nobody actually knows if you sat down and read all the material though. Look at something like a computer science degree, where a degree isn't mandatory in some coding jobs as long as you can prove that you are competent.
>>2824788
Well at least he doesn't pretend to be a historian like the countless hacks who write poorly sourced books that people take as fact.

>>2823692
This post.
Creating a non-existent past period of a utopian strawman and then leveling the blame for this onto the "nationalists", which translates into "anyone who doesn't vehemently agree with my history"- the poster hypocritically does what nationalists do when they idolize
pre-modern times such as the 50s or pre-1945 Germany- the REAL irony is the "nationalist" wouldn't be shitposting or breaking the rules by starting a thread with those assertations- but this leftist has with their shitposting whining. This is also ignoring the
>Hitler shit his pants!
>why were the Nazis obssessed with stupid degeneracy?
>the eternal German
and other god-awful leftist/jewish/whatever butthurt meta threads
>inb4 the fags claim centrism
It takes two opposing sides to carry an argument

>>2823963
>The problem is that sometimes this can be a bit of a thin line and would give the mod a large responsibility to keep things civil.
That isn't how moderation works.
Moderation is to ban posters who keep baiting, and then ban those who respond with more baiting.
Eventually there is nobody left to fill the topic, or the board has enough of a population to fill the vacuum.

Then again, /his/ is doomed, just like a lot of boards, because nobody wants to post, so the only stuff that stays alive is baits or some variant of WAAAAAAAAAAAAR threads.

>>2823645
seems like it's not purely nationalism and more "national fanboyism"

most butthurt about favorite countries tend to be from people of other countries than the people form the country in question (example, most Ouiaboos are Quebecios, and I the Britfag am American).

closest thing you get is Romefags (which lets face it can cover everyone in the western world) and the white nationalists of /pol/.

>>2825969
tl;dr: we need flags