Lenin was worse than stalin. Discuss.

I think there is literally an entire thread about this subject on the front page already

>>2820185
No he wasn't, discussion over.

Lenin was the greatest man of the 20th century.

>>2820211
Lenin was the most impactful man of the 20th century perhaps.

Lenin was a bit of a dogmatist fuckhead, but at least he had vision and the will to see it through. Stalin was an uninspired bureaucrat-strongman too concerned with petty intrigues to hold any real vision.

>>2820225
That would be Hitler.

>>2820235
Without Lenin, no Hitler

>>2820233
>petty intrigues
explain please, he was a bureaucrat but i don't think he cared about "petty intrigues", in fact i think he was smart enough to maintain himself in power purging first the left opposition and then the conservatives such as Bhukarin.

>>2820235
Debatable. Lenin basically made communism relevant and is indirectly responsible for every communist revolution, movement and government since then.

Lenin was jew
Stalin was goy
Therefore Lenin was worse

>>2820242
Surely scheming to purge your opponents and maintain power is almost the definition of intrigue? That's exactly what I'm talking about, he was more concerned about making plays for personal power than actually moving his ideas for the country/world forward.

>>2820244
He was also a big inspiration for Mussolini and his cool new movement of fascism.

>>2820265
He did both, also can't implement ur ideas if you get overthrown and/or killed.

>>2820244
Yeah, by making every country that didnt arrive to a stage where a socialist dictatorship was needed into totalitarian hellholes. USSR included.

Lenin was an egotistical person, almost as much as Stalin. The only difference is that Stalin had less vision than Lenin, who realized that he could not apply the tenets of communism to a country that didnt have the infrastructure, economic basis nor even the class culture which would make Marx's analysis and need for a socialist dictatorship ( which, imho is already one hell of a leap of faith) real.

Lenin started this because he thought he'd do better, but ended up falling back to a simple dictatorship with not even the legitimity of imposing communism.

Stalin realized that communism needed an industrial basis. He traded the already piss poor agricultural economy into an industrial one and gained some legitimacy at the same time (the purges helped). Clearly Lenin was the worst, killing a man who only wanted the wellfare of the slav people, and setting up an illegitimate dictatorship, realizing that what he stood for was bullshit and kept going with the masquerade.