Was this a mistake?

>>2811192
Yeah, an unstable shithole that ended up cannibalizing itself. Franco didn't even need to fight them really, they were perfectly capable of collapsing on their own.

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>finally, Spain is a democratic Republic!
>now let's alienate half of the population

Too stupid to live.

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No
Wish I could've fought for the republic

>>2811213
You would probably ended up getting killed, by your fellow Republicans no less.

>>2811213
The Spanish Civil War was the greatest honeypot of all time for idealist leftists like you.

>>2811208
That was after the outbreak of war, and yeah the clergy were fair game.

>>2811236
This. The interbrigades were basically the commie version of ISIS.

>>2811208
I don't understand why leftists always target "idols" this hard.

>Let's shoot a fucking statue
>Flip off a portrait of Christopher Columbus, yeah fuck that asshole!
>I will piss on your Bible!
>Let's blow up a memorial!

They think they're sending some kind of powerful message but they just look so cringy and fedoracore to everyone who isn't them.

>>2811219
Maybe.
>>2811236
Which proves the republic was worth fighting for.
>>2811258
ISIS is a reactionary tool of American imperialism that is being fought by communists as we speak. Don't you dare think people fighting for a democratic nation are comparable to those scum.

>>2811294
>American imperialism
Weird way to say "Israel".

>>2811305
Israel is a colonial settler state and US client. To think that Israel calls the shots is simply deliberately warping the reality of the situation to blame Jews rather than Zionism and imperialism.

>>2811344
>US is funding Israel without getting anything in return
>Israeli lobby completely dominating the Capitol hill
>b-but US is calling the shots, goy

The iberian peninsula was a mistake.

>>2811358
The US gets the benefit of having a reliable state that brutalises the Arab people and fights any hostile anti-American state in the region, as well as getting a reliable business partner that won't nationalise resources. From the Six-Day War, to Operation Opera, to the 2006 Lebanon War, Israel is the West's first line of defence against anything that might challenge Western dominance in the region. Destroying secular Arab nationalism allows the other US backed ideology in the region to thrive: Wahhabism. Radical Islamism backed by the US client state of Saudi Arabia to counter the influence of anti-American figures like Nasser, Assad and Gaddafi. Keeps the oil flowing too.

So yeah, the US calls the shots. It's simply impossible for a country like Israel to dominate the US. Pretending otherwise is just nonsense to deflect from the US' critical role in creating and aiding Israel for decades and pin the blame on Jews.

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>>2811396
>reliable state
Who are you trying to fool you retard?

>>2811433
Yes, reliable. Far more reliable than a Palestinian state would ever be, if the Zionist state apparatus was to be dismantled. Also the US doesn't care about Palestinian agreements, democracy or congressional openness. Those secrets being stolen are the result of the intertwining of the Israel project with the US state.
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/client-state-industry/

>>2811456
>a state that spies on you, steals your state secrets, engages with corporate espionage with you, collaborates with your enemies and buys off half of your congress through special interest groups and (((legal lobbying))), is a "reliable ally"
Wew. Do you happen to be of hebraic extraction perchance?

>>2811474
No, and I'm opposed to Zionism. Israel doesn't "collaborate" with America's enemies either. America does all that stuff listed to its allies, especially spying and lobbying (openly staging coups) and that doesn't raise as many eyebrows.
The obsession with individual Israelis is foolish antisemitism, rather than anti-Zionism. One can and should be critical of Israel without descending into paranoid conspiracies. That's the sort of stuff you hear from Hamas and co.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/07/special-israel-relationship-160706094018911.html
Even Israelis know they're dependent on the US, not the other way around.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/bibi-may-be-king-but-of-a-u-s-client-state.premium-1.432552

>>2811572
>Israel doesn't "collaborate" with America's enemies either.
Israel collaborated with South Africa at a time when South Africa was hammered with US sanctions. Get educated please.

>>2811192
never
fuck Franco, literally cannot wait for tercera republica

>>2811589
South Africa was never, ever, an enemy of the US. Apartheid was backed for the vast majority of its existence of the US. Even during that brief period of the late 1980s, the sanctions were done more as a show because the situation had rightly become so intolerable to the rest of the world. The US didn't care about apartheid, but failure to act would've meant a greater backlash in the long run.

It's proof that Israel is an apartheid state really. Birds of a feather.

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>>2811614
based

>>2811294
Commie brigades were a reactionary tool of Soviet imperialism, what's your point? Don't you dare think people fighting for Bolshevism aren't scum.

>>2811679
>reactionary
No, the Francoists were the reactionaries. And the USSR's aid was nothing compared to the tens of thousands of German/Italian troops.

>>2811701
The Francoists were hardly reactionaries, they were authoritarian conservatives at worst. It's the commies who were trying to drag Spain backwards into an era of all-intrusive government. And exactly, you can tell that the Francoists were not reactionary because they were supported by progressive futurists like the Falange and gained foreign support from Germany and Italy, as opposed to the backwards Bolsheviks.

>>2811721
my brain hurts

>>2811721
>this is your brain on /his/

>>2811721
>Falange
>Progresive Futurists
They were the kind of all-intrusive government nationalists

>>2811724
>>2811747
>t. buttblasted reactionaries

>>2811753
They were syndicalists who respected private property, their methods were suitable for the times they existed.

>>2811721
>were supported by progressive futurists like the Falange
who promptly got ignored or purged after the war

>>2811247
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quema_de_conventos_de_1931_en_España

Soon after the proclamation of the Republic, anticlerical republicans chimped out burning churches and convents.

>>2811777
Which shows the longstanding social issues. Spain was a pressure valve.

>>2811786
And the Republicans were not statesmanlike enough to solve such issues, with their anticlerical partisanship.

>>2811786
this, like how russians treated Romanov as soon as the revolution started
all this kind of stuff happens for a reason

>>2811633
Disgusting, another republic would just finishing fucking up Spain and lead to its immediate collapse and dissolution.

>>2811816
good
free Catalonia and basque from the meme country that is Spain

>>2811769
They said they'd respect private property as long as it aligned with national interests also they were forced to merge with an ultra-catholic, regionalist and regresive party

>>2811823
>meme country
It's amusing how podemos-like people rejoice over the collapse of a historically important nation such as Spain.
>hurr durr muh catalunya and euskal herria
Those are meme countries, created from the asshole of communist and anarchist criminals.

>>2811840
The basques have been around since at least the time of the Visigoth kingdom you ignorant fuck

>>2811816
spain has been a capitalist monarchy for decades, can't blame the republic anymore

>>2811721
yeah, a "mere" authoritarian conservative at worst who executed 200,000 people during the war, and another twenty thousand or so right after.
>b-but the republicans executed people, too
yeah, a drop in the bucket compared to franco

>>2811840
Spain is not a nation, just an alliance of different nations with Castilla breaking it and enslaving the rest under their control in a very imperialistic way

>>2811853
>>2811845
Basques as a people have practically been part of all the Hispanic kingdoms of history since the Visigoths, the only time they where kinda of their own was with the kingdom of Pamplona -Navarre which was created by the franks, and ruled by them and the French kings for centuries before returning to Iberian control.
Spain is actually fucked due to the EU,

>>2811885
All the kingdoms of the nation where equal and respected until the liberals fucked everything during Isabel II reign. Now all of the communities enjoy freedoms and representation, there is no need for Spain to be dissolved into artificial Marxist minded states.

>>2811939
>until the liberals fucked everything during Isabel II reign
until the bourbons first arrived*

>Now all of the communities enjoy freedoms and representation
not in the same sense, there is a big difference between Navarra and Basque Country who got lucky on their tax laws and Castilla/Madrid who are leechers and the rest, especially the south, that never got a bourgeoisie like the north and east

>>2811958
It was during her reign when it became worse. And yes, the current situation with the autonomies must be revised and fixed.

>>2811975
Isabel II era was a peak, but the problem started as soon as bourbons and their jacobine ideas won the sucesion war
and right now the only way to fix Spain is either with pure federalism or going back to the old absolutism days like Franco did

>>2811999

I hate to say it but Spaniards only get shit done when we are ruled be an absolutist or we are a bunch of anarchist, no inbetween.
Even Franco, the most mediocre dictator you could think had lots of shit done compared to all the other "leaders" we had, and at least he looked for the poor men. Look at what the fuck they did PP, PSOE and how mafia like they act.

>>2811845
The Basques founded the kingdom of Castile.The meme is that they were ever oppressed when most of the Castillian nobility was Basque

>>2811885
>Muh Castillian imperialism
Castile was the only kingdom that did shit while the rest were autistically screeching about their fueros.Olivares did nothing wrong

>>2811958
>until the bourbons first arrived*
The first 3 bourbons were great kings and Charles the IV was decent you masonic piece of shit.

>>2811192
Were they communists or democrats?

>>2813025
Morons who couldn't stop killing each other first and for most

>>2813025
>Were they communists or democrats?
Depends on which period you are talking about.

>>2813025
This was probably one of the questions they killed each other over.