Has race always been an "issue"?

>>2809189
No, just look at 4chan, race discussions were not commonplace here, now it's being forced in just about every board.

I dunno. Racial tensions are kind of a meme and aren't as bad as the BLM and /pol/ crowds will have you believe. Everyone keeps each other at arms length individually but overall group relations seem manageable. I can see it all going to shit eventually though.

Yes. Tribalism is an innate part of Human existence. People need to stop suppressing their innate instincts with ideology - which leftyredditors have tried since the 1800s, and neo-liberals with all their state apparatus are desperately attempting to enforce.

>>2809209
That's false I remember almost 9 years ago racial posts being common place. Being so young I stopped going on 4chan just because the racism.
>>2809242
Tribalism is not on a racial level, clearly intensive in group out group dynamics existed amongst people who looked the same. But if you were actually from a recently warring group dynamics talking to them you'd hear them say how one group is so dramatically uglier or lighter or darker or taller even when they are the same.

The idea of difference rather than the reality was what was important.

>>2809253
No it wasn't people said nigger all the time but it was meant to scare away people like you and was done ironically most of the time. That and faggot became commonplace terms like bro or dude.

>>2809189
Humans were always racist, empathy is the only reason you wouldnt be racist.

>>2809393
Why are redditors so desperate to push this "all racism on 4chan was just ironic racism prior to 2010"? Fuck off already.

>>2809408
Because it's true. There was some unironic racism, but it wasn't out of control. People take things way more seriously on this site nowadays.

>>2809242
>Reddit exists since the 1800

>>2809189
You must live in the U S A
U S A
U S A

If you somehow think that hispanic and white are not the same thing.

>>2809417
Eh you're wrong, I know you like to cling to the idea that every corner of the internet necessarily has to be as antiracist as /r/progressive but it simply isn't the case, legit racism threads were as much of a staple on /b/ as unironic gore and cp threads.

>>2809417
Taking things seriously and doing things ironically are not the same.

You can be ironically racists and not think it's a big deal, like most sane people that don't live in a melting pot.

It depends what you mean by race. Throughout American history, for example, the various groups known as White have had completely different historic experiences and are better off being treated as separate units. On the other hand Blacks have been a largely monolithic group until recent history were we've gotten more immigrants from Black Africa.

>>2809393
No this is wrong because it was beyond just saying nigger and you should stop memeing

>>2809417
>>2809434
Alhough, as an addendum, yes you'd be right in saying OVERALL racism has increased.

>>2809435
unironically*

>>2809408
It's not like it was only used ironically. The newfags on /b/ who saw "nigger" thought it was serious and repeated it unironically. But the older fags knew what it was for. Of course 4chan has always had more controversial opinions, but serious, triggered discussions about race are relatively recent.

>>2809455
Funny how this whole started because of the mudslims who are not even a different race from the europeans.

Shows how ignorant the average western european/american is.

People are now starting to realise that demographic trends in white countries will lead to white people becoming <50% of their countries' populations before the end of the century.

Thus, race has gone from being an issue of purity to an issue of survival.

>>2809189
Why do ameritards simplify complex things like ethnicities into generalizing, overarching terms like "white" "black" "hispanic"?

>>2809242
>. People need to stop suppressing their innate instincts with ideology
You can either think rape should be illegal or you can believe this
You can't believe both.

>>2809408
because it was newfag
all the overt nazi shit blew up with the election when /pol/ became mainstream

>>2809417
There always was nigger hate threads on /b/.

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>>2809519
The politics board on 4chan was being deleted for being too overtly racist before even Obama was reelected. But yeah, the some of the hobby boards were less racist...but places like /v/ and /int/ always were.

I dropped the whole racism thing definitively once I realized there's genetic trash from every race. Just walk into a Wal-Mart.

>>2809535
Moot's views have nothing to do with the site's general views. The staff sure doesn't like the race threads but it's obvious the userbase is interested to some degree.

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>>2809189
Yes.

>>2809417
>but it wasn't out of control
Entire civilizations were slaughtered based on the premise of racial supremacy in the past.

>>2809576
He means in this site.

Captcha: Euromaster

>>2809189
Memes unironically made it worse.

>>2809576
Name five. And no "muh redskins" as disease killed 90% of inevitable.

I was brought up my whole life to believe that race doesn't exist and racism is evil, but it didn't take much as an adult to make me think otherwise (mostly just reading around).

Does that make me the odd one out? Because it seems like the race question really sends people into turmoil and grief, white or otherwise.

>>2809189
Race is a european colonialist concept, it does not exist anywhere else

>>2809242
>but guys, we just need to stop being civilized at once
Funny jokepost, Anon. You almost got me there.

>>2809833

IQ stats en median hormone levels are european colonialism?

>>2809408
t. a redditor colonist from r/communism

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>>2809189
I don't know if it was always an issue (it likely was), but I know there are obvious biological disparities between peoples that can't be reconciled due to the way we all evolved.

You simply have to go outside to see it in action.

Negroids have an average low IQ. It's obvious they do when you see how they live. They've got thick bones, etc.

>>2809833
>Risk of getting murdered and eaten in Africa just for being white

>it does not exist anywhere else

Sure thing anon

>>2809439
I've been using 4chan off and on since near the beginning in 2004 (yes, it's sad) and he is absolutely right. There was a time where ironic racism was big, but only as shock value humor. It was never a focus of discussion.

Race has become an all encompassing issue that pervades every pore of vaguely political life in the US only recently. Maybe if you're like under 25 you can't remember it, but it was seriously a different world even as recently as the early 00s. And that played out of 4chan where people just weren't even thinking about race the same way people are now i.e. obsessively dividing people based on where they stand on the race "debate".

Look at what is happening to the whites in South Africa currently and tell me race doesn't matter. Their black president is literally calling for their historical homelands to be seized from them by any means necessary. This is the future that awaits whites who allow themselves to become minorities. Americans might not have it quite as bad with the latinos but I shudder to think what will happen to Europeans once muslims become the majority. What is happening over there at any other point in history would be called an invasion. Germany France and Sweden seem to be willing to fall without firing a single bullet.

>>2811691
Exactly! Atrocities committed between races are what prove race, the holocaust is a great example.

>>2811691
>what will happen to Europeans once muslims become the majority
that won't happen in a near future and I doubt it will ever happen unless Europe really collapses hard while almost exterminating themselves

>>2809833
Arabs believe in racial superiority tho ??

>>2811729
so do asians???

>>2811729
>>2811745
so does every ethnic with a minimum of regional superiority

>>2809506
Fuck you Americans, I hope your country becomes majority Latino. We know how to take the power of Europeans from our rightful lands.

>>2811782
It won't. Hispanics will just become another kind of white person.

>>2809958
different IQ = different race?

>>2809189
>2006
>my highschool is like 95% white
>walk down the street no problem at night
>2017
>massive shitskin immigration
>highschools seems to be about 60% white now
>nobody goes out anymore cause nightclubs are fuck of smelly pooskins and no girls want to go
>can't walk the street at night because wild Somalians will beat you for the change in your pocket
Hmmm... Why is race becoming an issue?

>>2811785
white+brown=brown

>>2811800
White + brown = lighter brown
did you know that only a few genes(IIRC it's only one) take control of the skin?

>>2811805
white+white+brown=brown

no matter the shade, it's always brown

>>2811691
This is the biggest factor for me. I don't want to be a minority and it's happening faster than we think.


I think the best way out of this hellish future is to accept the Latinos and intermarry with them. White blood will dilute their Aztec traits enough that we can maintain a relatively stable white society and keep the niggers down.

>>2811826
Try that with paint and see if it's true.

>>2811839
color of paint=/=genetics=color of skin

brown is dominant.
t. brown man

>>2811826
If all humans came from a common origin and that's true how did white people get white in the first place?

>>2811800
That's wrong, though. The greeks and italians were once viewed as being non-white and that stopped. The same thing will happen with hispanics over time.

>>2811851
what if all humans didn't evolve exactly the same way?

>>2811863
By your logic they would be black no matter what. After all white + brown = brown
white + black = black
So since they were all black. black + black = black

>>2811847
You're simply wrong about this dude, sorry.

>>2811861
moorish hispanics=non-white

moorish italians/pseudoitalians=non-white

greeks=non-white

Really depends on your definition of white though. To say all Europeans are "white", is false. To say all whites are European is also false. Let me know, what to you is "white"?

>>2811871
youre operating on the presumption that the out of africa theory is 100% undeniable fact, which it is not.

>>2811873
that's fine, i don't need to convince you of anything

>>2811891
Alright, so what is a theory for human genesis that accounts for the one drop rule?

>>2811915
im not sure, you tell me.

>>2811891
It is and even it it isn't white skin isn't the normal in nature. And you also had to come from a common origin which was also black. You can't escape this. Unless you think that two separate evolutions ocurred that made people be 99.999% similar in two different places. What are the odds of that?

>Research indicates the selection for the light-skin alleles of these genes in Europeans is comparatively recent, having occurred later than 20,000 years ago and perhaps as recently as 12,000 to 6,000 years ago.[26] In the 1970s, Luca Cavalli-Sforza suggested that the selective sweep that rendered light skin ubiquitous in Europe might be correlated with the advent of farming and thus have taken place only around 6,000 years ago;[21] This scenario found support in a 2014 analysis of mesolithic (7,000 years old) hunter-gatherer DNA from La Braña, Spain, which showed the version of these genes corresponding to dark skin color.[45]

>>2811839
I did that on paint and I got beige.

>>2811937
So you got Greeks who are considered white :P
Whites aren't actually white they're yellowish

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>>2811800
>White+brown=brown

That's incorrect though.

http://www.latina.com/entertainment/celebrity/half-latino-celebrities-stars#2

>>2811880
>Europeans
>Non-white

They've done genetic testing on Italians, etc, and they're virtually 100% European with slight admixture.

From a biological perspective, Southern Italians and Spaniards are white.

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>>2809531 >>2809434 >>2809439 >>2809455
Hating niggers doesn't make you racist. Prior to the "altright" becoming a thing, most Anons understood that niggers from the urban ghettos are not a phenomenon unique to African Americans-- if you throw ANY race into a shitty, low-income neighborhood, they're going to grow up to be niggers.

The entire point of /pol/ was to contain the ACTUAL racists who tried to blame Jews and Blacks for everything. All the other boards were capable of telling the difference between individuals being shit and entire races/cultures being shit.

As further evidence that 4chan used to be ironically racist is the -fag meme. It was understood by all that anyone can be (and is) a faggot and that has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

>>2811926
>white skin isn't the normal in nature.
skin a chimpanzee, and he is white. skin a cat, and she is white. skin a dog, and he is white. perhaps you mean for "in the nature of humans", to which I'll have to respectfully disagree.

>And you also had to come from a common origin which was also black.
correct, i am black. doesn't mean you are.

>You can't escape this. Unless you think that two separate evolutions ocurred that made people be 99.999% similar in two different places. What are the odds of that?
astronomical. so was the odds of life in general. i believe you're over complicating things, occams razor if you will.

>suggested
>perhaps
>might
>this scenario
they don't seem 100% sure in their facts, yet you do. true knowledge is knowing that you know nothing

>>2809189
Read your own fucking history you imbecile.

Fucking americans

>>2811952
again my friend, Euro=/=white

>>2811945
mexican/spanish/ecuadorian/cuban does not necessarily equal brown, nor does it necessarily equal white

>>2811968
>European DNA that's not strictly North Western European isn't European at all

I simply don't believe this when you see so much genetic congruity between southern Europeans and northern Europeans.

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>>2811945
That depends what shade of brown if its a brown indian from latin america mixed with white you'll get pic related

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>>2811977
I suppose.

>>2811899
What? Seriously, I've seen real life examples of this. People who have some sort of brown or black in their family tree who are now for all intents and purposes white as fuck.

>>2811982
who said north/south euros are necessarily white?

unless you believe geographic location descriptors define white is white/black/yellow/brown, what you are saying doesn't make sense. it would also imply that races/colors evolved separately, unless you didn't mean that implication.

>>2812012
I did mean that implication.
In order for a person to be genetically White, they should have at least 75% European ancestry.

>>2812006
you seem to have some sort of need to convince me. yet, i have no such urge to convince you of my position.

regardless, your anecdotes arent a place to start.

>>2812016
>percentile European ancestry
in which case, somewhere down the line you believe that European=white, or rather to be white you must be some percentage of European... which I don't believe. if i were of 75% minoan descent, would you believe i am white?

>>2812017
You're an absolutely absurd person.
I refuse to waste a thought on you.

I doubt you can even define brown.

>>2812028
i doubt you could even define white. luckily for you, a thought wasn't wasted likewise in your direction.

have a nice day

>>2812026
>Further analysis showed that the Minoans were only distantly related to Egyptian, Libyan, and other North African populations. The Minoan shared the greatest percentage of their mitochondrial DNA variation with European populations, especially those in Northern and Western Europe.

You would likely be so, yes.
Minoans are genetically primarily European despite having Middle-eastern admixture.

>>2812040
you only prove me further correct, Europeans are not necessarily white.

as i should mention also, arabs are not necessarily brown either

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>>2809427
>this is a white man

Who won the race? Not the elves, right?

>>2812051
I feel that you're defining white as having pale skin.

I define it as Aryan/Mediterranean DNA.

>>2812075
you're correct with the aryan dna (which isn't necessarily European either), but ill have to disagree with you shoehorning the mediterraneans in there as well

>>2812017
This whole thing started because of my reply to this guy >>2811782
If you aren't him then this entire derail is irrelevant.

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>>2812081
>Arabs
>Not closely related to Aryans anyway

There are slight biological differences that have been reinforced via inbreeding, etc, but they're still genetically close.

>>2812105
#notallarabs though, aryan arabs are white. aryan euros are as well

>>2812105
Assad is Assyrian, not Arab.

>>2812117
You're right, but the ones that aren't Aryan are still genetically tied to it as they're Caucasoid.

Back on topic though, white, European DNA = Aryan DNA = Minoan DNA.

In order to be white, you must be of at least 75% European/Aryan ancestry.

It's technically not European, but it's widely considered to be due to ancestral lineage.

>>2809455
4chan sprung from Something Awful, where they founded the GNAA, a group which weev became a prominent member, in 2002. Ironic and unironic racism have existed side by side in this sphere since before 4chan was even founded.

It's not like racism in America actually just disappeared in the fuckin 70's, you retards. Any place that isn't explicitly left-wing, corporate, or governmental is gonna have racists somewhere in it.

>>2812151
>Dad went into a bar in southern Florida in the 70's
>A sign was up that said no coloreds allowed

Kek

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>>2812139
i'll agree with your definition of white then. it has been settled, at least 75% Euro-Aryan ancestry

>>2812139
Minoans were indigenous Europeans though...

>>2812170
Indigenous Europeans that share Aryan DNA

>>2809826

As someone in an interracial relationship with a brilliant person, I can tell you first-hand that (1) we are all human and (2) there really are differences in temperament and personality affected by genes (in addition to environment). You could genetically engineer an African American to have an IQ of 300, but they would be more focused on their immediate surroundings and more physically expressive. East Asians with Down's syndrome work more efficiently than non-East Asians with Down's syndrome and equivalent IQs.

>>2812187

On average, obviously. Exceptions.

>>2812063
He probably doesn't speak spanish either.

>>2812187
>they would be more focused on their immediate surroundings and more physically expressive
That sounds very much like a cultural thing.

I thought my family was just naturally very dour until I learned that russians dont smile much.... my grandpartents are russian.

>>2809209
That's jus tbecause /pol/ neckbeards can't stop with their obsessions

>>2812063
He actually does look pretty white, just with a tan, a spaniard or italian with some sun will look like him.

>>2809189
The left needs to keep it an issue. Race politics are the only reason they win elections.

>>2809559
But blacks are the worst

>>2811800
53% of spics consider themselves white. People like Andy Garcia ect.

>>2811945
Looks white to me.

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REMINDER THAT "WHITE" AND "BROWN" ARE NOT SCIENTIFIC TERMS AND THEY ARE IN NO WAY AN ACCURATE MEASUREMENT FOR A PERSON'S ETHNICITY.

>>2809417
>>2809435
"Ironic" humor did not exist in the early 2000's and is THE most Reddit humor in existence

/b/ did not have "ironic" humor, it had edgy humor where you want people to believe you are actually racist for shock value (also there were genuine racists on /b/, that's why nigger hate threads started there before they moved to /new/

>>2812734
I mean to say "unironically racists.' I corrected myself later.

>>2812313
Yeah he does kinda look Southern Italian now that you mention it

Let B be defined as Black
Let W be defined as White

The one drop rule states that:
B + B = B
W + W = W
B + W = B

B + W - B = B - B

W = 0

So according to the one drop rule, white people equal zero?

>>2812696
yeah, maybe in 2012

>>2812063
"hispanic" as in latin american doesn't describe race. You can be hispanic and white, black, asian or native american.

He's definitely right that you're american, because you think it just means "mexican"

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>>2811782
Soon my friend