According to the people of /his/, who was the best US president?

>>2799887
me

>>2799887
William Henry Harrison. He objectively ruined the least amount of crap.

jackson

>>2799887
who was president during the era of good feeling?

>>2799938
This or Coolidge, according to most of /his/. In reality, neither is even close.

>>2799933
This is maybe true. Depends on how you measure it. Generally, I tend to side with this philosophy, where we measure a POTUS not just by his accomplishments, but what he managed to avoid doing. As history often shows, inaction can be quite beneficial.

>>2799887
Theodore Roosevelt

>>2799963
Polk was better than coolidge

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>>2799946
Monroe

>>2799887

Based Wilson

>Saved America by creating the Federal Reserve
>Saved Europe by winning the First World War
>Tried to avert WW2 but dumb euros wouldn't listen

>>2799975
spotted the jew

>>2799975
>>2799993
Spotted the bait

>>2799968
I honestly don't get why WHH is even included in rankings. How you do measure a guy who spent his entire time in office bedridden?

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>>2799887
George III

>>2799887
Hillary Clinton

Polk is laughably overrated by dilettantes. They're attracted to the fact that's he's relatively obscure (compared to the traditional choices of Lincoln, FDR, & Washington) and the argument for him is simple enough for a schoolchild to appreciate (he accomplished everything he set out to do, what could be better than that?).

Eisenhower and Washington

>>2799887
Trump

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Garfield could have been one of the greatest had he not been shot. Arthur did well. Monroe is strong as well but Its hard to say that any President was better than Washington.

Literally everyone whose answer isn't Lincoln is either a shitposter or doesn't know their American history.

>>2799887
Jimmy Carter

Bill Clinton.

>>2801209
That's like saying Pol Pot is the best Cambodian leader.

Washington #1

Lincoln - auto-genocidal maniac

They're all so awful
I'll say Lincoln reluctantly

>>2801222
Fuck that guy, he bombarded Yugoslavia

>>2801306
Only thing he did wrong was not bombing the rest of the balkans desu

>>2801306
>bombed Serbia
.>wrong

>>2801209
>Historians shit on all the 1850's presidents for not stopping the civil war
>Herald the one president who started it

Really makes you think. Honestly though, Booth is probably the best thing that happened to Lincoln, the radical Republicans were about to rip him a new asshole in Congress. He went out at his peak.

>>2801209
If he had the political skill to preserve the union and avoid war then he would have been the best hands down. I believe had Taylor lived. He would have settled the "states rights" question with minimal bloodshed.

>>2801365
>>2801369
It's hard to n Appease an Autistic who is dead set in starting a civil war for muh Slavery

>>2801365
>the one who started it
>simply getting elected triggered the South so much that its his fault

>>2801369
he wouldn't have settled the slavery issue though, which is why the war began in the first place

>>2801306
>bombarded Yugoslavia
wtf I hate Bubba now

>>2801306
t. Nikola Nikovic

>>2800082
>muh manifest destiny

Polk was a turd.

Best president aside, it's universally agreed that FDR is the worst thing to ever happen to the country, right?

>>2800019

It sounds like you've never actually looked up presidential power rankings and compared them to see how they work. In many of them, WHH is sensibly rejected as an irrelevant meme-outlier, and is therefore not even included in the ranking.

probably Eisenhower.
he didn't really do much
he lobbied for the interstate highway system mainly because from WW2 he knew what a pain in the ass not having one was like
he couldn't be arsed to intervene in the Suez crisis or in Vietnam
if Congress passed a law and the Supreme Court upheld it, then he made sure the executive branch enforced it
otherwise, he played a lot of golf

>>2801747

No anon, of course that's not universally agreed upon, and the reason why it isn't is because the statement has obvious contemporary political implications. To argue about FDR is to have a relevant argument in terms of current American politics (the conventonal left-right split of today).

For all the right-leaning people who will bemoan FDR's big gubmint, you can just as easily find left-leaning people who will defend same by waxing policy-wonk about the alphabet soup and say complimentary things about how FDR handled the war (while also inserting the condemnations of internment camps which they are obliged to do).

The point of this post is neither to prop up or to condemn FDR, but to make the simple and true observation that your supposition is false, because what FDR represents goes directly to the basic American political split, which still exists today.

Consider teachers, historians, the academy, people who actually spend the most time with this stuff. You really believe that they don't have some robust FDR apologists among them? Think about what sorts of people they are, and what their political inclinations tend to be. This is enough to recognize the absurdity of your hoped-for statement.

>>2801747
Not really. The post Reaganite reconsideration of FDR is woefully inaccurate and stuck in the economic mindset that is slowly killing off American jobs.

The common argument against the New Deal is that it failed to bring prosperity. That's true, and its also completely besides the point. The New Deal was a controlled decline, rather than the near inevitable collapse into nothing which would have occurred had FDR not taken action. It's like crashing a plane into a field to avoid hitting a building.

>>2801783
I get it- the outright absurdity of claiming to defeat fascism whilst interning Japanese Americans is an inherently hypocritical position that overshadows the act of destroying two evil empires that would have established a new world order, only allowing himself to die once he was sure the world was saved. That's your argument, right?

>>2801814
>Implying the Niihau Incident didn't force his hand

>>2801840
>Niihau Incident
>>2801814
>>2801793
>>2801783
FDR was neither good or evil. Just an idiot.

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>>2801846
>>2801793

Reminder that FDR prolonged the Great Depression an entire 7 years.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

>"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

>President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies."

>"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."

For decades, it has been an article of faith that FDR lifted America out of the depression. The reality is far different. The New Deal prolonged the Depression significantly, and FDR is quite probably the most overrated and wrongly worshipped former leader of any country.

>>2801871
>he's a contrarian economist

pls stop

>>2799887
Washington

It's all been downhill since.

>>2801886

>The government should just spend more money whenever the economy is bad, this will magically fix everything.

>>2801871
I refuted your argument before you even made it.

This is one of the attitudes about socialism that frustrates me the most, that socialism offers the promised land and never delivers. Socialism acts out of necessity, not hope.

>>2801908
It literally does, in the short to medium term

Fundamental problems cant really be solved by government action

>>2801936
Its subjective in that the return expected from interventionist economic policy is seen differently. I find the projected return of intervention is much misunderstood. Whether or not the farms saved by the New Deal were productive or not is irrelevant in the face of the alternative, which is these jobs ceasing to exist completely.

>>2801936
>>2801929
>>2801967

You guys win. I renounce laissez-faire economics forever.

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>>2799970
/thread

>>2802004
Quit being a faggot and defend your point.

>>2799887

Can we agree that JFK is the most overrated, but not actually bad president? Holy shit, if he hadn't died in office he'd be a completely unremarkable person.

>>2802020

I can't, you win this round.

>>2799963
jackson was damn near the best. name a president who gained more territory for the american people.

>>2802021
He was sorta bad though but not that bad.

>>2802034
Polk? Jefferson?

Muh clay doesn't indicate a good leader desu.

Coolidge is a literal meme who is best known for doing.... nothing.

FDR, Eisenhower, teddy lincoln and james Monroe are all contenders. But i'll go with Monroe just to be contrarian.

>>2802034

Jefferson, Polk, McKinley

>>2802061
>Coolidge wasn't good because he "didn't do anything"
>more shit they change=better president
>president comes along, succeeds in banning the letter T, burning all US currency and outlawing trade, killing everyone born on Tuesdays and Fridays, and goes to war with the moon
>great president! Look at all the things he did!

>>2802105
Coolidge wasn't good because he didn't do anything. What did he achieve, he didn't make anything better than it already was he just sat there and let it stay the save, he deserves 0 credit for anything good that happened during his term stince he was responsible for none of it. The best that can be said is at least he didn't fuck anything up, hardly a great president

Donald Trump, current holder of the champion's belt.

>>2802114
Okay, if there are a bunch of farmers that are adding a bunch of new chemicals and mixtures to their crops every year, and getting bad harvests, good farmers? Are they better than a farmer that has the good sense to just plant the crops and let them grow? Is he a better farmer than the ones that keep adding a bunch of shit to the crops?
I think you're assuming that the role of a president is to take the reins of the country and change it to the way he wants it to be. If that's the case, why not just elect a king?

I'm not trolling. Best ever was George Washington Bush Jr. As best president.

Took over an economy on the economic upswing. Started off good.
Then 911
Suddenly has the most demanding question of the 21st century to try and solve. One we are still facing.
Terrorism.
After boosts the shit out of our military
Grabs huge sums of rare metals from various middle eastern countries. Such as lithium.
Saw over and approved extreme advancements to military tech. These advancements led to our commercial drones and satellite technology.
And the whole time Mr.Bush traveled the world answering questions no man should answer. Becoming reviled due to the intense situation he found himself in as the leader of the free world. And this is my opinion. I found his way of being and reacting the most 'normal' way. Humanizing him unlike any other president

Tldr- George Bush Jr. Best president
>I am 100% serious.

>>2802130
America wasn't perfect during his time there were issues and he didn't fix any of them AND he wasn't responsible for the country doing well he just got lucky.

>>2802130
All coolidge did well was be lucky, avoid serious mistake and have a decent relationship with congress.

>>2799887
Eisenhower, anybody who disagrees is wrong.

>>2801747
Woodrow Wilson.

>>2802150
So you're saying he was a great President. Thanks for playing junior.

>>2802151
Eisenhower was top ten but number one isn't that easy. James Monroe was better in my book but its a respectable choice.

>>2802150

He failed to see Black Tuesday coming and didn't take any actions to rein in the overheated market and soften/defray the crash.

>>2802163
Look buddyany respectable expert will tell you that Coolidge was average at best and painfully mediocre and worst, read some fucking history first before you comment on things you don't understand, find me one credible source that Coolidge was even top ten and I'll eat my hat.

>>2802173
hence why I said that was all he did well, HE didn't make any mistakes really but in every other aspect he was mediocre at best and (communication) wise he was historically terrible.

>>2802184

Whoops I replied to the wrong anon. I agree with your point that Coolidge was at best mediocre, at worst catastrophically myopic.

>>2802179
>le uncited appeal to authority
>look, dickhead. Any respectable music critic will tell you that Har Mar Superstar is the greatest musical talent of all time. I challenge you to find me one music expert* who disagrees with me
>*anyone who disagrees with me shall henceforth not be considered an expert

>>2802210
I'd rather an appeal to authority than an appeal to (you) I'm sure you are very qualified to talk on this subject. So qualified that you can tell me why Coolidge is a top ten president of all time despite achieving virtually nothing.

>>2801783
Setting aside whether it's universally agreed because that's obviously impossible; if FDR embodies the current American political split, wouldn't that indeed make him terrible considering both sides are terrible? Nobody can honestly say that the general Republican demographic is represented by those who hated his usage of big governmental powers, considering so much of the republican party is guilty of doing exactly the same thing. FDR's legacy can be very much seen replicated in both sides of the current mainstream political spectrum.

Washington or Lincoln and any other answer is retarded just because of the circumstances of their terms

>>2802290
FDR cannot be logically argued to be terrible

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I think everyone should post their top 5

In no particular order

>Washington
>Madison
>Lincoln
>Reagan
>Coolidge

>>2802298
It depends on how you feel about having a literal dictator as a president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

>>2802306
Washington
Lincoln
Teddy
FDR
Jefferson

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>>2802306
>Coolidge
>Reagan
>>2802179
>>2802196

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>>2802298
I treat him and Winston as warrior kings. If a leader is good, he is usually only good as a wartime leader (warrior king) or as a peacetime administrator (ex: Augustus).

I think FDR was mostly clumsily going along before WW2. He made people feel good about themselves but he did not help the economy much and the new deal is a mixed bag imo.

But he was the man our country needed to confidently lead us into the greatest conflict the world has ever known. I will give him that

>>2802314
We wouldn't have even been in WW2 if not for him.

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>>2802313
Get out of here you assmad progressive faggot

>>2802314
>confidently lead us into
By literally allowing US soil to be attacked to provoke the populace into supporting the war 9/11 style?

>>2802306
FDR
Monroe.
Jackson
Teddy
Washington

>>2802318
>we wouldn't have even been in WWII if not for him
The japs wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor?

>>2802314
This. FDR is among the dumbest people elected to the presidency but as a leader he was based as fuck, which makes him one of the best POTUSes

>>2802321
REEEEEEE HOW THE FUCK COULD FDR HAVE MORE THEN TWO TERMSSSSSS.

Excluding the man who crafted the position, Washington, it would either have to be Polk or Coolidge.

>>2802331
>not Lincoln
I get that he expanded the powers of the president to a disturbing degree but the civil is pretty the United States crisis of the third century and we came out of it a lot better than the romans did mostly because of Lincoln. Reconstruction would've been a lot better if he hadn't been assassinated

>>2802327
The japs had no reason to attack us if we weren't both arming and funding their enemies while putting sanctions on them.

You don't literally give money to someone trying to kill someone else, then pretend you weren't involved in what was happening.

>>2802346
> w-we were asking for it.

>>2802341
>he was an asshole but he fixed a problem that he himself created so it's okay

>>2802351
>t. butthurt southerner revisionist

>>2802348
You can't say that we weren't. Funding violent and criminal activities is illegal to do as a citizen, by the way.

>>2802346
This is such bullshit

>>2802351
How the fuck is the civil war lincolns fault? He got elected and a bunch of actual racist scumbags got butthurt and decided they'd rather sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives than not be able to expand their industry.
>this is the power of /pol/

>>2802357
>funding your allies in a war they cucked themselves multiple times to avoid means we were asking for a surprise kamikaze

>>2802354
What? I'm directly referring to what you yourself pointed.
>he expanded the powers of the president to a disturbing degree
Ergo he was an asshole.

>but the civil is pretty the United States crisis of the third century and we came out of it a lot better than the romans did mostly because of Lincoln
Your implication that all civil wars are equivalent, as well as that the civil war was unavoidable, is fallacious. The conflicts that became the civil war escalated in direct response to Lincoln (who we agreed is an asshole) getting elected.

Besides, claiming Lincoln did or would do a good job when there's no valid comparison to be made is about as grounded in hard fact as claiming FDR handled the great depression better than others could have.

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>>2801332
I agree somewhat, he should have bombed them all, instead of being a biased little shit.
>let's help the muslims, i'm sure it will work out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/the-commander-of-albanian-isis-fighters-killed-02-09-2017
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-suspected-jihadist-arrested-in-italy-03-30-2017
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bosnian-authorities-have-responded-to-terrorism-threats-says-expert-02-03-2017
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/several-balkan-jihadists-detained-in-large-scale-terror-raids-01-26-2017-1
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/germany-arrests-kosovo-born-men-for-alleged-attack-plot-12-23-2016
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-and-serbia-citizens-arrested-for-isis-connection-in-belgium-12-07-2016
>>2799887
Eisenhower, he warned us.

>>2802373
Yes, the US was doing what is literally commonly referred to as proxy warfare now, but they weren't involved in the war whatsoever.

Keep strawmanning.

>>2802381
So you're just going to ignore the decades of the north bending over backwards to keep southern politicians happy? Fuck off dude. Chattel slavery is wrong and every one knew it but the slavers who made enormous wealth from it and the poor southerners who viewed it as a way to protect what little status they had.
You sound like a lost cause fag.

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>>2802403
IT WAS ABOUT STATES' RIGHTS

(right to hold slaves)

>>2802393
Did you expect the US to not support its allies? What world do you live in?
Holy shit my man, you can't into politics

>>2802403
Maybe they shouldn't have bent over backwards. Maybe they should have tore off the band-aid before some power-hungry fuck seized the opportunity created by their procrastination.

>>2802407
>muh lost cause
>muh it wasn't about niggers
>muh glorious confederacy
Kek these fags are so delusional

>>2802421
Support your allies if you care about them being allies, but don't act surprised when those allies' enemies become your enemies. You're derailing the conversation from whether FDR dragged the US into the war, which he did, with whether you personally think he was justified in doing so.

>>2802428
Excuse me anon, who are you quoting?

>>2802434
Someone punches you in the race because you are friends with someone they hate.

wtf bro you were asking for it and if you fight back you are "DRAGGING US KICKING AND SCREAMING INTO BATTLE"

>>2802434
Sorry anon but you've got the downs

>>2802438
Every butthurt post-civil war southerner who has ever lived

>>2799887
George Corley Wallace

>>2802441
Ayy more strawmen
>be living in a city of a country at war
>minding your own business working and paying taxes
>enemy army comes and burns your city to the ground
>WOOOOOOOOOW WTF MAN I WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED IN THIS WAR

>>2802442
>these non-arguments
Someone's mad.

>>2802447
This is next level autism.

How did /his/ end up in this state?

>>2802453
Your ideas must not be good enough to convince people to propagate them desu.

>>2802451
Your argument are complete bullshit though anon, you just keep saying that FDR dragged us into war because Hirohito decided that attacking the US at the behest of Hitler was our fault because we were funding the people Hitler had been aggressively prodding for years.
I mean I don't even know what to tell you, you're just wrong and it is embarrassing.

>>2802460
listen buddy FDR had more then 2 terms which means he was a fucking evul dictator, and he was a democrat (i hate democrats)

>>2802471
Fugg :DDD

>>2802460
>Hirohito decided that attacking the US at the behest of Hitler was our fault because we were funding the people Hitler had been aggressively prodding for years.
Are you literally autistic? In what way is that not a reason? Hitler and Japan had literally no reason to give a shit about us if we either remained neutral or distanced ourselves from the war entirely. Therefore, the fact that not being neutral gets us attacked is literally, by definition of the fucking word, a fault in us not being neutral. Am I unironically speaking to a goddamn special needs child right now?

>>2802423

They couldn't before 1860, because there were enough slave states to hold a filibuster-proof plurality.

>>2802481
No, you aren't speaking to special needs but I am sure as hell am.

It is a reason but it is of the absolutely shittiest order and nowhere near FDR
>dragging
the United States into war

Unironically neck yourself

Obama

>>2802494
>they were bending over backwards
>oh but actually they weren't they just didn't have the majority
Senpai...

>>2802497
tl;dr You admit I'm right and instead call names and move the goalpost because you're mad.

>>2802515
not him, your wrong. Wilson arguguably dragged U.S.A into war, FDR didn't.

>>2802522
Support your statements any time.

>allies
Why do people keep using this word? The USA didn't have a mutual defense pact with anyone in WWII. They had no "allies". Becoming involved with the war could only possibly be perceived as a act of imperialistic self-interest.

>>2802509
The compromises were specifically to try to appease southerners but the north couldn't just tear off the bandaid like you suggested

>>2802515
tl;dr you dumb and possess a middle school understanding of history and politics

>>2802541
So you are saying that because the United States didn't have a mutual self defense pact it is incorrect to call the United Kingdom an ally?
Alright then brainlet, should we use >correct terminology and call them friends instead?
Your post accomplishes nothing and I suspect you are the butthurt
>FDR wiz evul
fag

>>2802529
Your views on FDR dragging the US into war been refuted so many times in this thread I don't think anyone will bother

>>2802554
What exactly do you define an alliance as?

>>2802543
>The compromises were specifically to try to appease southerners
This is what I'm referring to. Why did they bother? Trying to play softball for too long is how people get fed up and turn toward extremists.

>>2802558
I'm not seeing any refutations, just one faggot literally admitting to my point and then shitposting like a sore loser.

>>2802566
If the USA hadn't helped the UK it would've been a bit of a betrayal. I'm not trying to redefine what alliance means but I don't think it's worth nitpicking word usage when the meaning is essentially the same. Mutual defense pact or not the USA was going to support GRB/FRA

>>2802568
You are blind then

>>2802567
The only way to rip off the bandaid was war because the south wouldn't allow it to happen by any other means. There was no other option despite the norths best efforts to avoid it.

>>2802577
On the contrary I think it's very relevant because you're implying the US had any obligation to get involved in the war when it had none whatsoever. A war isn't a small matter that you just get in for shits and giggles, there was substantial opposition with the US as well against being involved. Keep in mind that the US has a history of isolationism.

>>2802590
Good thing FDR wasn't responsible for pearl harbour then was it. After pearl habour it did and Nazi germany declared war, and after pearl harbor majority wanted war.

>>2800118
>it's only been a year
>most he'd done so far is kinda repeal obamacare and explode some more stuff in the sandbox
nah

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>be american under roosevelt
>suffer through the worst economic depression in the country's history
>have life assets forcefully taken and sold for double the price you were given
>get involved with a war on the other side of the world
>be put in internment camps against my will
>after I get out be drafted into the military against my will
>be abused, deprived of sleep, and made to watch propaganda as "training"
>get hopped up on drugs and told to run through water and uphill at an machinegun nest

Ah the good old days.

>>2801225
t. butthurt southernfat traitor
>abloo bloo I need niggers to make stuff for me otherwise my entire region is irrelevant

>>2802505
Bait aside, I feel legitimately sorry for him as a president. Most of his work that would have contributed to the image of his presidency getting repealed and replaced by the next president.

>>2799887
King George III

>>2802649
He's actually pretty lucky in this case. His policies being repealed at least leaves a "what could have been" effect. Hillary or Bernie would have just taken all the credit.

>>2799963
Coolidge let the Market crash happen because he did not want to meddle with the market.
He was part of the causes because he had a responsibility toward its people.

Hey guys back here to remind you that FDR was evil and literally dragged the USA into a war we had no business being in

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>>2804439