If hitlers goal was the extermination of the jewish race, why

>>2799181

Because they wanted useful labor out of them you idiot.

because most "death camps" were actually forced labor camps where people happened to die somewhat often

>>2799181
One of the reasons for doing it in camps was to hide what was going on. The Nazis didn't want the average German to know too much about the exterminations - which is one of the reasons why so many of the camps were created in Poland. Big piles of corpses next to railroad tracks all over the German-held territories would have been quite conspicuous. Also, by transporting people to camps you could keep them from putting up annoying last-ditch resistance by giving them the hope that maybe they would be going to a non-death camp. At the camps you could efficiently take their jewelry, etc. Then you could work them as slaves until they died. Many concentration camp inmates were occasionally taken away from the camps for slave labor projects. The camps also allowed the psychologically heavy task of murdering unarmed people, one that is difficult for all but sociopaths to perform, to be performed by a relatively small number of personnel - therefore avoiding inflicting this psychological stress on the German military and police forces as a whole.

>>2799181
Considering they managed to off close to 2/3 of the European Jewish population, and most of what they didn't get lived in places like England, Spain, deep in Russia, etc. and outside their ability to catch and kill anyway, why would they need MORE death camps?

>>2799181
>If hitlers goal was the extermination of the jewish race, why were only 10% of the camps "death camps" according to the UN?
You don't want too many death camps as not to arouse suspicion. Aushwitz killed about million jews by itself.
>Also, why feed and clothe them as prisoners?
labour is useful, so might as well work them to death
Why not just offload them from the train and shoot them in a field?
bullets are expensive, also mass shootings are messy as fuck and they tried it in Russia, and it didn't work out so good for the men's morale. Easier to just gas them.

>>2799181

Because they didn't want people to know what was going on.

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>>2799259
>You don't want too many death camps as not to arouse suspicion.

>>2799279

I don't think that really makes any sense.

Why would that matter? if you are a Nazi leader you are damned whether you killed Jews or not. I can't understand how /his/ can call /pol/ conspiracy theorists when they literally believe the German high command was so scared of being connected to the Final Solution that they hid all the evidence and only ran camps in Poland.

>>2799320
Because killing helpless people is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Most Germans were in denial and just thought the Jews were getting resettled in the East and not getting fucking gassed.

>>2799320
>if you are a Nazi leader you are damned whether you killed Jews or not.

You think the Nazis considered themselves "damned?"

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>>2799181

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>>2799388

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>>2799397

>>2799320

>Why would that matter?

Because people tend to have a very negative reaction when confronted with blatant mass murder, anon. When you want to keep something quiet, you break it up. Compartmentalize it. Nobody knows the full picture except the guys at the very top. Everybody else knows as little as possible, only what they need to know to accomplish their part of the plan, and nothing beyond that.

>>2799338

No one is saying it isn't wrong. How does it matter to the Nazi high command if they are connected to death camps? Churchhill and Stalin wanted them to hang either way.

>>2799339
After the Bulge? Yeah. Churchill and Stalin wanted heads to roll. And they certainly didn't care about crimes against humanity.

>>2799429

Do they? History seems replete with mass killings that didn't need the be hidden away. Nazis openly hated jews. I'm not sure why they would feel the need to hide mass killing, but openly show slave labor camps and summary executions, in 1944.

>>2799388
>>2799397
>>2799403
Are people really persuaded by ms paint images? Its a phenomenon that has been beyond my comprehension for years

>>2799454

>How does it matter to the Nazi high command if they are connected to death camps?

Because the entire operation runs smoother if fewer people know about it. And fewer still who know the full extent of it. Does a crime boss send his lowest subordinates detailed reports of his operations and how they are financed? No! Ideally, the people at the bottom would have no idea who they even work for.

>>2799495

The lowest subordinate knows what types of crimes are being committed by the mob.

I would buy saying that most nazis didn't know how Jews were being killed or where they were being killed. I don't buy the conspiracy theory that nazi high command spoke excursively in coded euphemism so that no document exists containing any order from high command.

>its a stormfag thinks he's disproven the entire holocaust because one or two things don't add up episode

>>2799478

Not everybody in German controlled territory was a full-blown Nazi, anon. And even full-blown Nazis occasionally had doubts and attacks of conscience. For something like this, the fewer people who know, the better. And among those who know, fewer still know the full extent of the operation. Everything is compartmentalized, and each "compartment" knows nothing more than the absolute minimum that is required to perform their function.

>>2799511
Op here. Im not disputing the holocaust i am just wondering why, if hitler wanted to murder every jew, why didnt he? Anne frank was a 14 year old girl, hardly an ideal slave labor candidate, but they kept her alive for 2 years before she died of typhus.

But we are told hitler gassed jews. So why didnt hitler gas anne?

>>2799320
At first, the Nazis thought they were going to win the war. Judging by Himmler's Posen speeches, they had an attitude that the exterminations were an ugly and unpleasant necessity that had to be done for a higher good - not something to openly flaunt to the world or be proud of. Also, they knew that the exterminations took a big psychological toll on the people who carried them out and wanted to limit the extent to which this toll was imposed on Germans. From a more practical perspective, they may have remembered widespread public opposition to the Nazi attempt to exterminate severely disabled people, and have planned accordingly. Even totalitarian regimes must take public sentiment into account.
Stalin's regime, too, didn't broadcast its crimes to the world.

>>2799244
Indeed, the mental toll on the einsatzgruppen was well documented

>>2799543
>Anne frank was a 14 year old girl, hardly an ideal slave labor candidate
Close enough. Slave labor wasn't just doing tough strength-demanding tasks like shoveling earth or laying bricks. There were also all sorts of tasks that demanded finesse. And for most of human history, a 14 year old girl would have been considered a perfectly fine candidate for doing work.

>>2799555
Ever heard of the "Madagascar plan"?

>>2799584

you mean that thing they never implemented? Ever heard of the holocaust?

>>2799508

>I don't buy the conspiracy theory that nazi high command spoke excursively in coded euphemism so that no document exists containing any order from high command.

So you are highly suspicious that a group of mass murderers would take measures to hide what they are doing? Congratulations, you're an idiot.

>>2799624
Why would they? If Hitler won, nobody would have questioned him. If Hitler lost, I doubt he'd give a fuck since he had no plans of surrendering.

There's no logic behind your reasoning.

>>2799638
Yeah, like how the leaders of Germany in WW1 were all mass-executed after the war ended.

>>2799624

The USSR didn't. Cambodia didn't. China didn't.

In fact, I cannot think of any state sanctioned genocide where the high command was careful not to indict themselves.

>>2799200
actually this, they probably had intentions of killing them in the concentration camps but when the war wasnt looking like it was gonna end they switched them to labor camps.

>>2799638

>Why would they?

Because mass murder tends to upset people.

>If Hitler won, nobody would have questioned him.

Not everybody living in German-controlled territory was a Nazi.

>There's no logic behind your reasoning

There is no logic in the concept that a group of mass murderers would want to broadcast what they are doing.

>>2799655
Please show me where Stalin openly wrote that the senior military men were to be round up and shot; or something similar from Mao concerning his own rivals in the Cultural revolution.

>>2799644

>The British government opposed the establishment of the Nuremberg war crimes tribunals at the end of the second world war because it wanted selected Nazi leaders to be summarily executed and others to be imprisoned without trial, according to a contemporary account that is declassified on Friday.

>Winston Churchill made the proposal at the "Big Three" conference at Yalta in February 1945, according to the account, but was overruled by Franklin D Roosevelt, who believed the US public would demand proper trials, and Joseph Stalin, who argued that public trials possessed excellent propaganda value.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/26/britain-execution-nuremberg-nazi-leaders

The Nazis knew what they faced. The only one who was illusioned was Rudolf Hess, who thought if he stole a plane and flew to the UK to negotiate peace early in the war, Britain might be fair. He was imprisoned for the rest of his life without having committed any crime.

>>2799483
I'm sure a lot is beyong your comprehension
>>>/pol/

>>2799655

>I cannot think of any state sanctioned genocide where the high command was careful not to indict themselves.

Then you're stupid. Stalin didn't go on TV and say that he was intentionally starving Ukrainians, anon. Nor did he have press releases about the time he sent 6000 people to a deserted island and they had to eat each other to survive.

>>2799674
I have no words. NOTHING of what you said is relevant. HOw the fuck does an Allied decision made in February of 1945 impact German decision-making process before that. Hell, how do you even know that the Germans were aware of what decisions were at Yalta? Because we start seeing euphemisms like "special action" well, well before that.

>>2799644
There's a bit of a difference between WWI and WWII don't you think? Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany. You're literally projecting your own feelings onto something that never happened.

>>2799664
>Because mass murder tends to upset people.
Not really. As long as those targeted were living happily.

>Not everybody living in German-controlled territory was a Nazi.
And? Pretty much all of Germany supported him

>There is no logic in the concept that a group of mass murderers would want to broadcast what they are doing.
Not broadcast, but not hide it either. Hitler had full control of Germany, and if he won, that control would have continued. if he lost, he was dead so it wouldn't have really mattered to him if people learned about his crimes.

There's literally no logical reason as to why Hitler would go to such great lenghts to hide the Holocaust.

And there is absolutely no reason to kill the Jews when you can work them as slaves, which they did. So no, the Holocaust never happened. The Jews were made slaves and their property stolen. That's all that happened. Get it?

>>2799668

Stalin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord_Classicide_under_Mao_Zedong

>>2799693

The "liquidation of the kulaks as a class" was announced by Joseph Stalin on 27 December 1929.[

>>2799698

How is it relevant that the Allies wanted to summarily execute Nazi leadership?

It proves the Nazis would be correct to think that hiding genocide would make ZERO difference.

>>2799698

>Not really.

Yes. Really.

>Pretty much all of Germany supported him

Not everybody in Germany supported Hitler, and he had far fewer supporters in places like Norway, France, Poland, and the Netherlands.

>Hitler had full control of Germany

If that were true, then the Stauffenberg plot would not have occurred.

>>2799722

Liquidation is itself a euphemism for mass killing. So you just debunked your claim that only the Nazis used euphemisms and nobody else.

>>2799701
>There's a bit of a difference between WWI and WWII don't you think?
Yes, precisely because of certain genocidal campaigns that went on, don't you think?

>Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany.
Hitler himself? Sure. How many Nazi leaders killed themselves before capture compared to the ones actually captured? Nuremburg had quite a haul.

> You're literally projecting your own feelings onto something that never happened.
How the hell am I doing that? I'm stating that the Allied decision to hold trials for captured German leaders in Februrary 1945 isn't likely to imfluence German internal decisions.

>>2799707
Those are wikipedia articles. I can cite to a wiki article about the Holocaust. Come on, show me an internal document stating this.

>>2799734

>It proves the Nazis would be correct to think that hiding genocide would make ZERO difference.
No it doesn't. This is obvious to anyone who has enough neurons to form a synapse. For starters, how do you know you aren't putting the cart before the horse and that the decision to wish to summarily execute the Nazi leadership (which was overridden, let's not forget) wasn't in reaction TO their little activities, and if they did a better job hiding them, such a decision wouldn't have been made?

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Couldn't even wait till the last thread was archived huh?

>>2799701

>Hitler never had plans of surrendering, neither did most of the high command of Nazi Germany.

Most of the "high command" was captured alive, so that by itself debunks your post.

In Auschwitz, which functioned as a forced labour camp and death camp, selections for labour or death were made at the point of arrival. A quota of able bodied workers from each new transport would be selected to replace 'natural wastage' in the existing labour force, the rest were 'useless mouths' and killed soon after arrival.
In one instance the SS had been persuaded that a slight increase in the food ration would improve the productive capacity of the labour force. The Jewish labourers thought they had achieved a small victory of saving a few extra lives until the next transport arrived and the quota selected for forced labour shrank and those destined for immediate extermination increased.

>>2800263
Excpt that we know from records they didnt do that. There were children and elderly in the camps. If i was killing all but the best slaves, i wouldn't keep feeding anne frank for 2 years

>>2799707

>asked for a specific example of Stalin signing an order to directly mudered undesirables

>just post the wikipedia article about said massacre

youre dumb. You guys are being purposefully retarded at this point. You pretend its so unrealistic for a regime that was very open about its hatred of jews, and was a brutal dictatorship, to massacre jews.

>>2800441
Im just saying. If your "final solution" is the genocide of the entire jewish race, there are probably better ways to do it then feeding and clothing their elderly and children in 70 camps across germany and poland.

>>2800402
Which records are you referring to?

Maria Muller in her biography of Anne Frank records:
>Upon arrival at Auschwitz, the SS forcibly separated the men from the women and children, and Otto Frank was wrenched from his family. Those deemed able to work were admitted into the camp, and those deemed unfit for labour were immediately killed. Of the 1,019 passengers, 549—including all children younger than 15—were sent directly to the gas chambers. Anne Frank, who had turned 15 three months earlier, was one of the youngest people to be spared from her transport. She was soon made aware that most people were gassed upon arrival and never learned that the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection. She reasoned that her father, in his mid-fifties and not particularly robust, had been killed immediately after they were separated

>>2800731
Except that we know from the book that her younger sister was in the camp with her.

So that history lesson is a lie, or anne frans book is a lie.

>>2800745
>was one of the youngest people to be spared from her transport.
Note: Not the youngest but one of.

>She...never learned that the entire group from the Achterhuis had survived this selection

When you've learned to read and comprehend what is in front of you, come back and try again. Until then, I bid you farewell

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Hitler's only crime was not making her a porn star

someone post it.

>>2800772
Its all.magic! They systematically killed all the jews, except the teenage frank girls!

>>2799181
Kill those who could not work
Put the others into the most gruelling work
Read peter longerich on Hitler's role on the Holocaust

>>2799584
Which was then abandoned for somewhere beyond the urals
But when hitler realises he's losing he makes sure Jews die so that this war and loss of german life was not for nothing

>>2799483
You're a fuckhead who was persuaded by MS paint images in the first place but you don't realize it because of how far your retarded head is up its' own ass. Lol.

>>2799181

She's so pretty why did they have to murder her?

Why not have the train track end at a giant cliff and then have a gigantic hydraulic piston run through the length of the train pushing everyone out off the cliff?

>>2799181


Why did the Nazis invite the Red Cross into their camps?

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>>2800968

Because Nazis are literal faggots.

>>2799181
>Why not just offload them from the train and shoot them in a field?
they literally did this initially but it was a waste of bullets and psychologically damaged many of the men doing to killing. the gassing was introduced solely for the men doing the killing to not have to stand there for hours blasting out brains

>>2799181
Jewish whore

6 million seems like a pretty unbelievable number. I'm pretty sure they fluffed those numbers.

>>2799259
>bullets are expensive
>but synthesizing zyklon b, building camps, gas chambers, crematoria, railways, and providing the fuel and rail cars is not

I swear I'm actually starting to doubt the holocaust

>>2800940
>>2799688
Is it beyong my reading comprehension? Or are you just mad you wasted hours making these only to realize no one reads them?
>y-you're fuckhead retarded since you pointed out it's a shitty infogrraph

>>2801387
>lol are you really convinced by pixels on a screen
>lol are you really convinced by lines written on pulped trees
>lol are you really convinced by audible vocalizations

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>>2800968

If only a thousand men, clad in grey, carrying the flag they had so defiantly carried into battle countless times against despots and tyrants had raced through Germany to save her, all those who dared to to stop them meeting swift deaths at the ends of their steel bayonets.

If only those whose courage and discipline meant they could not be so easily bullied as the Jews of Europe had stood between that poor girl and the monsters who would destroy her like one would swat a fly.

If only those whose Christian upbringing had given them the moral principal and strength to do not just what was necessary, but what was right, to drive their blades into the heart of the unholy beast of National Socialism before it murdered that poor child and countless other children, guilty of no crime but being born of the wrong blood had been there to stop the beast dead in its tracks.

>>2801379
>he hasn't heard of Einsattzgruppen

>>2801427
Lets discuss the Jäger documents anon, and how the Soviets magically found them and then amazingly reported them years after the war.

>>2799181
>Also, why feed and clothe them as prisoners? Why not just offload them from the train and shoot them in a field?

Ask Himmler, it was his idea.

>>2801439

>the Soviets didn't immediately publish captured document as soon as the war ended, so therefore it must have been faked

This is your brain on stormfaggotism

>>2801488
>The only record of actual Einsattzgrupen killing numbers, "found"in 1944, a document useful in Nuremberg in implicating the Nazis, the only copy of supposed multiple originals appeared only after the suicide of the man who wrote it, Jäger.

Loving. Every. Gas.

>>2801502

And? Is this your first time looking into primary sources?

>>2801502
Also
>ignoring anyone involved in work from anti-partisan maneuvers to handling bodies, from Germans to Jews, were referred to as Einsattzgrupen

>>2801509
>And? So what if it entirely irregular and implausible that the Soviets had massively damning documentation that they hid until 2 decades later, after the deaths of anyone who could refute them as forgeries? You must be a stormfag to make such observations!

>>2801514

So yeah, this IS your first time dealing with primary sources then?

>>2799181
Because most were enslaved and used for labor. Those who were too weak or couldn't work were just killed for other purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_skeleton_collection

They planned on getting rid of the ace and leaving a few skeletons of what once were the exterminated race.

>>2801518
What are you saying anon? What point are you making? What do you mean by "dealing with primary sources"? No one has "dealt with the primary source" since Jäger died before any investigation or confirmation could be made. And you haven't dealt with any primary sources, only second hand quites from Nizkor, a propaganda machine.
Nor can you refute any points I have made.

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>>2801533
REALLY makes me think

>>2801582
>Can't form an argument
>time to repost unrelated infographs

You've become the stormfag Ari.

>>2801533

>it's not a primary source because I say so

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>>2799181
>>2800859
>>2800968

I am genuinely in love with Anne Frank. She was beautiful, witty, and graceful young woman whose light was snuffed out far too early.

I frequently fantasize about being Peter van Pels hiding with her.

Oh god, imagine deflowering that sweet girl on a lazy Amsterdam afternoon, lying and learn what each other's bodies were for.

Imagine nine months later, she's got a massive bulging stomach from carrying your child inside of her and it seems like she’s gonna pop any moment now. Her popped belly button makes it look like she's got a giant third boob where her stomach once was. She waddles around and can barely move half of the time. She's developed an insatiable craving for your dick and you've likewise developed a taste for her pussy. You’re both cooped up in an attic all day have nothing better to do besides fuck like an unsustainable third world population. You lie down on your back, she strips off her almost comically too small clothes and kneels on top of you. She grabs a hold of your rock hard cock, inserts it deep inside of her, and begins to ride you like a stallion. You feel the pressure from her incredible weight and huge round belly bearing down on you but the indescribable pleasure of her tight pussy throbbing on you cock negates any discomfort. You sink into her beautiful soul, that secret place where no one dares to go. After 30 minutes, you and her are both moaning with ever greater intensity, you know it won't be long now. Suddenly, you feel your cock shaking like a V-2 rocket and the orgasm reaches it's climax as your cum literally explodes like an 88mm AT round inside her Sherman tank, blowing the turret right off. You both join as one, souls screaming from the sheer ecstasy. As the elation wears off, she lies next to you. Too exhausted to do much else, you simply hold her in your embrace. In that moment, there is no family squabbles, no Nazis, no war. Just you and her, watching the sky turn pink as the sun sets.

>>2801647

You dream of the beautiful face you have found in this place. So soft and sweet.

One day you will both die and your ashes will fly from an aeroplane over the sea.
But for now you are young and all you want is lay in the sun, and count every beautiful thing you can see. Love to be in the arms of all you’re keeping here with you.

What a beautiful dream that could flash on the screen in a blink of an eye

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>>2801651
Suddenly, you awaken from your slumber to the sound of a bloodcurdling scream. You open your eyes to darkness, it takes a split second for your vision to readjust. You feel lonely and cold. Another shriek knocks you back into reality. Anne sitting next to you, clutching her belly, face contorted from pain. A foul smelling fluid lies pooled on the floor around her mid-section. Your hot dirty fuckfest has brought on labor. she cries your name, begging for help, begging for you. The noise. She’s louder than a line of Louisiana Tigers giving the Rebel Yell right now. You raise your finger to your lips to tell her to be quiet. But the agony is too much for her to bear. You’ve got to do something or else it will awaken the entire neighborhood and with it, the Nazis. Suddenly you remember the bulge in your pants. You’ve got morning wood. It’s not the best gag, but it will have to do. You stand up, squat like a slav, using her belly as an impromptu stool, grab your still cum-crusted cock, and shove it right inside her mouth. At first, she tries to scream even louder in surprise, but your circumcised 100% Kosher dong blocks her windpipe, reducing her screams to a barely audible gurgle. Suffering from unbearable pain, she bites down on her your meat with each contraction. Now you’e in pain too. With each contraction, she bites down harder, it feels like she’s gonna tear your cock right off. Eventually, the pain subsides for her and she doesn’t bite down as much. Now it seems almost as if she’s starting to enjoy it. You can feel your child kick on your testicles. Clearly it’s excited too. Suddenly, your cock starts to shake like a V-2 again, you pull it out of her mouth just in time. You bust your steaming hot and sticky load, blanketing her like an incendiary carpetbombing of Dresden. Semen stains her mountaintops (all three of them), along with her hair and most of her face. She quietly giggles from the ironic amusement of it all. You giggle too

>>2801655
Then a look of sharp pain shoot across her face. She’s having your baby. You wish you could bear all the pain for her, but all you can do is sit and watch. You look down at her vulva, still oozing with cum from that great fucking you gave her a few hours ago. You can see a head of black hair poking out. You fear that she’s gonna start screaming again, much to your relief, it seems that she’s gotten better control of the pain, thanks to you. She begins to softly moan, it seems as if instead of experiencing excruciating agony, she’s experiencing an orgasm. You can’t help but grin as she keeps pushing. As more of the head becomes visible, her moaning intensifies. Finally a small head emerges from her vagina. You can see a face wrapped in an umbilical cord. A small pair of hands grab the head, she weakly tries to pull the head out. You put your hands around the head and begin to help her pull. Desperately, she goes into the next contraction with all of her energy, and pushed with everything inside of her. She feels everything. She feels shoulders and hips and feet all slide down inside of her and pop out in one long push, with a rush of fluid behind it, and it feels amazing. She throws her head back with a rip-roaring orgasm that penetrates the very heart of her soul.

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>>2801656
You look at the newborn now lying on the floor and see that it is a boy. You have a son. Perfect, perfect in every way. He begins to stir and you realize he’s about to cry. After all that’s happened, you don’t to given away to the Germans from the wails of a newborn. You gently lift him up and place him on Anne’s semen stained mountaintops. The baby quickly finds the breast is soon sucking happily. Semen, blood, amniotic fluid, breastmilk all mix and fill the air with a strange scent that while repulsive, is also extremely arousing. You can’t resist the urge anymore. Your mouth land on top of Anne’s opposite breast, sucking first your own cum, but then her tasty milk. You look into her eyes, she’s somewhat annoyed, but too exhaust to really care. A gust of wind coming from a hole in the wall blows through, cooling both of your sweat-drenched bodies, but also disturbing the little one. You’re afraid he’ll start shivering. You look around the dusty attic for something to keep the baby warm. You settle on Anne’s fur winter jacket, having sat unused for the past two years. You know Anne will definitely not be happy that you ruined her favorite coat, but it’s for the best. She hasn’t been able to fit in it for the past nine months anyway. You carefully wrap your little one in the coat and hand him to an exhausted Anne, she continues to quietly feed him. You notice the dead silence for the first time, not even the other occupants of the Annex, mere feet away in the next room, were roused. You feel a sense of relief. You’re safe, for the moment at least. Eventually you curl up next to her quietly and begin to doze off. Your secret sleeps in winter clothes. Tomorrow, you can find a way to explain the night’s events to your parents and hope they don’t kill each other. You can somehow find a way to get your little bundle of joy to safety. But tonight, you just rest, your first night as a family.

>>2801663

Oh god, just thinking about this is making me rock hard. The hardest I’ve ever gotten. Oh, I think I’m gonna… I’m gonna-

*Cums in Diary*

>>2801582
and so the cycle completes itself

you are the /pol/ now anon

>>2801419
>Confederacy
>doing HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTION
>ever

>"battle countless times against despots and tyrants"
The only battles the CSA ever saw was against a democratically elected president and the United States Army, and they lost
>moral principal
But they owned slaves and thought slavery was the shit
>"guilty of no crime but being born of the wrong blood"
Literally describes black slavery

The Confederacy wasn't that much better in terms of how it treated minorities than Nazi Germany, anon. Get your LARPy loser flag out of your ass.

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>>2801697

>this coming from a dirty Unionist

You know what disgusts me the most about you Yankees? It's not all the wars you start. It's not the glorified Mafia you run out of New York and DC. It's not your tyranny, cruelty, and swindling which you use to plunder the entire planet. That shit's been around for millennia.

It's your fucking hypocrisy.

The only battles the CSA ever saw was against a democratically elected president and the United States Army?

You deposed the lawful democratically elected state legislatures of the South when you invaded us. And you've done again and again in every corner of the world from Argentina to Yugoslavia.

Slavery? Most of the Ivy League was fucking founded by slave traders. The Northern shipbuilding and garment industry was practically built off it. And then you have the gaul to bemoan the South to no end for slavery when you spent a century practically enabling it.

The Confederacy wasn't that much better in terms of how it treated minorities than Nazi Germany?

You parasites literally no only financed Nazi Germany in the 30s, you practically supplied them with the basis of their ideology with Ford's International Jew and Eugenics.

The day Washington DC burns and you vermin are put to the sword for the evil you have done will be the best day on planet Earth since May 8, 1945.

>>2799181
Like everyone has said, most camps weren't death camps because they wanted to exploit the Jews for labor first.

An important note to this is that a minority of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were held in camps. Most Jews were just shot in a field after being forced to dig their own mass graves, with only around 2 million of the 6 million killed ever seeing a camp.

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>>2800994
They didn't.

2nd paragraph

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>>2799181
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>>2801510
What was the purpose of the 3 Einsatzgruppen units (each consisting of 500-1000 members of the SS and Gestapo) during Operation Barbarossa? How were these units different than the Wehrmacht's Security Divisions (Sicherungs-Divisionen) and Guard Units (Landesschützen)?

Why would Jews inflate the number of holocaust victims when reparations paid by West Germany after the war were based on the number of survivors and not the number killed?

What did SS and nazi officials in internal memos mean by the word "Special Treatment" (Sonderbehandlung) regarding jews in their custody?

Upon liberation of Auschwitz, it was discovered that in the camp, nazis had bagged and stored 2000 kilograms of shorn hair. How did the nazis get all this hair and why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?

How could the prisioners at the Bergen-Belsen be starving to death when 3 km away the food stores for the camp contained "600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs." Why was this food withheld from the starving prisioners?

If the Jews were evacuated "to the East" rather than being exterminated in Poland, what happened to them? Why have so many family members of those "evactuated" never heard from their loved ones again? Wouldn't they try to make some contact in the past 70+ years?

>>2801502
Jager report isn't even the only document recording Einsatzgruppen killings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

And you completely misunderstand his case. Seriously, read more about it. It was published 4 years after his suicide. His trial in 1959 in West Germany was based on other evidence because that report wasn't known yet.

>>2799200
Then why have any death camps?

>>2803055
>2000 kilograms of shorn hair
Yea the soviets also claimed they found vats of corpses being turned into soap and other outlandish nonsense that has been proven to be lies

>>2799181
They tried the "shoot them out in a field" thing, but it demoralized the men who had to due it too much, so they switched to having them die of disease and/or impersonal gas instead/

>>2804905
The Ausschitz Museum keeps a lot of the sheared hair, IIRC.

>>2800787
wasnt anne actually a total lesbo tho

>>2804905
>>2803055

>Person produces a lengthy, detailed rebuttal
>Storm-fag zeroes in on 1 sentence, and makes a sarcastic comment about it without actually disputing anything

Every single time.

>>2804925
Yes the "sardine-packing."

>>2804905
Actually no they didn't. Stalin and the Soviets actually forbade reporting on the holocaust because it was state policy that Russians had suffered most in the war.

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>>2804905
One filthy kike wrote a book where he literally describes a rollercoaster that dumped jews into a flaming pit

Yes the campsexisted,and like most people here are saying they gassed no one, they just worked them to death.

>>2805007
Rape fixes lesbians.

>>2804897

>Then why have any death camps?

The Nazis had so many prisoners in camps and ghettos that it was actually starting drag down their logistics. After all, those people need to be fed, clothed, etc. and by 1942, food and clothing were becoming increasingly scare commodities within Germany and German-occupied territories. So the decision was made begin eliminating prisoners en masse. At first, they simply had soldiers take groups of prisoners and shoot them. However, this was found to be too demoralizing for the soldiers obliged to participate in these activities, as well as a very inefficient use of ammunition which was also in short supply. To solve this problem, the SS came up with the idea of using gas chambers hidden inside special camps to kill large numbers of prisoners at once. This spared the soldiers from having to be directly involved in the business of killing, and it could be done using industrial pesticides like Zyklon B, which had no military value, but is still quite lethal when used on a group of people trapped in a confined space.

>>2799181

Many were just shot in mass roundups in the early stages of the war but this was found to be extremely inefficient.

Even the largest mass shootings such as Babi Yar in Ukraine and Ramba in Latvia only managed around 30,000 each and lasted just 2 days. Auschwitz alone was able 12,000 per hour sustainably.

The Wannsee conference took place after these shootings and estimated the total number of jews which still,required 'evacuation' to be 11 million. Rudolf Lange organised the Ramba shootings and was invited to the Wannsee conference to explain the impracticalities of shootings to the other attendees. There obviously wasn't enough fields or time for 11 million Jews.

>>2805579
Do you really beleive auschwitz killed 12k jews a day? Where did the bodies go? They had 12 ovens? Do you mean to tell me that every oven incenerated a jew every 5 minutes?

Im not saying hitler was a good dude. And im not saying no jews were killed.

But the basic logistics of the holocaust just doesn't make sense.

>>2804940

But can we clone Jews with it?

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>>2801697

You know that one of the Americans who tried to get the Frank family visas to the U.S. was the nephew of a Confederate soldier right?

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>>2805579
>Auschwitz alone was able 12,000 per hour sustainably.
Auschwitz is estimated to kill somewhere between 1.1-1.3 million, with most estimates towards the lower end. It was in operation from May of 1940 until January of 1945, however, gassing did not start until September of 1941. That gives you roughly 3.25 years, which is more like 1,000 a day on average, not 12,000 an hour. (Granted, it wouldn't be evenly spread, but you get the picture).

>>2805654
They had 52 muffles. (Pic related), not 12. That is capable of getting to the incineration figure cited in about 25 minutes, which is easily possible with double-burning.

>But the basic logistics of the holocaust just doesn't make sense.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've just never looked into them at any depth. This might be helpful. https://archive.org/stream/BodyDisposalAtAuschwitzTheEndOfHolocaustDenial/BDA_djvu.txt

>>2805670
>300 years from now an insane man tries to clone white people from a sample foundnin BBC jizz, as they are extinct.

>>2805678
Except that you can literally go to auschwitz. And there are 12 ovens. Supposedly the most prolific camp. +

>>2805690
>The camp is in the same state now that it was when in operation.
Are you stupid? Why do the contemporary German documentation talk about 5 crematoria, with 15 ovens, and 52 muffles if durr, dere are only 12? Were they just all suffering from a mass hallucination?

>>2799181
THE ONLY GIRL I'VE EVER LOVED

>>2799244
I get hard reading this post...

>>2805698
Germans have literally talked about rollercoasrers delivering carloads of jews to death in a pit of coals.

But we can actually go and visit auschwitz. There are exactly 12 ovens.

>>2805750

>Deliberately ignoring the fact that ovens were dismantled by camp guards trying to hide evidence

>>2805750
They dynamited the camp when the Soviets were poised to take it. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-crem-destroy.htm

The camp now is not in the same condition as it was when it was in operation. I'm not sure how to explain this any more simply. If you've been to Auschwitz, as you imply, and you've taken a tour, they will tell you this.

>>2805766
The ovens at auschwitz are 20 feet below ground, made out of medieval masonry brick laying secrets, and in 3 seperate places.

Sute i think the nazis killed jews, and sure i think they hid it.

But you can literally go to auschwitz. Lets.ptetend it only takes 4 hours to burn a jew,which is about half. So 6 kikes a day per oven tjmes 12 ovens. 64 jews a day. Lets round up 24 thousand kikes a year.

This is the premeir kike killing camp, mind you.

>>2805800

>Still deliberately ignoring the fact that most of the ovens were destroyed by the SS to hide evidence

>>2805800
>Lets.ptetend it only takes 4 hours to burn a jew,which is about half.
You think it takes 8 hours to burn someone? Because they could do much, much better than that all the way back in the 1870s.

https://ia902607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (Pages 124-125 of the pdf)

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>The Holocaust is the only thing the Nazis succeeded at implementing
>Nazis still deny it happening to this day

>>2805826

That's not true, they also built the Autobahn.

>>2805826

Also, if the Holocaust had been truly successful, we'd never actually know about it.

>>2805892
>Nobody would ever have noticed that six million Jews were missing

>>2805908

People would have noticed, but it would have been impossible to pin down what happened to those people.

>>2801379
>bullets are expensive
>but synthesizing zyklon b, building camps, gas chambers, crematoria, railways, and providing the fuel and rail cars is not

um yes actually, remember that the nazis were fighting a war, they kind of needed their bullets for other stuff. Furthermore shooting still leaves a lot of problems, the body needs to be burned and the ashes disposed of. This needs to be done on an industrial scale aswell. So it makes sense to have big facilities where this all happens. It also makes sense to get the people you're going to kill anyway to do this incredibly psychologically destructive work. These people have to be contained obviously hence you need a camp. You want to minimize the amount of your own personnel involved for obvious reasons, and whats teh fastest way for one person to kill lots of other people quickly without having to see them die? you bet, turning a knob to release gas into a closed room, or dumping powdered poison down a chimney.

>>2805982
Do you even know how ridiculous you sound right now? Either you're a fucking shill or a full blown retard.

None of what you say adds up. We've been over this already way too many times. There is no concrete evidence that the Holocaust ever happened. There is evidence of slave camps and such, but of genocide? Nope.

>>2806013
>We've been over this already way too many times.
And yet you're still in denial

>>2806013

>No actual argument

>>2806033
>believing the Holocaust
Yes, i'm in denial.
>>2806037
I did. Many times. The problem is that you're too stupid to get it. Even other Anons in this thread that I didn't participate in BTFO your Holohoax arguments. Why do we continue with this? You're probably one of these three things: a Jew, a shill or a fucking retard.

Pick one. Maybe all three, actually

>>2806013
A "shill" is someone who is trying to sell you a good without disclosing that he is working for the producer of said good.

Please stop using meme definitions elsewhere just because the board you hail from doesn't care about precision.

>>2806059

>Why do we continue with this?

That's a very good question. If you're tired of getting BTFO, then feel free to stop making these threads.

>>2806059
>The problem is that you're too stupid to get it

Sorry anon, but "It doesn't butter my bagels properly" is not an argument. Use proper, concrete arguments so they can be debunked easily.

>>2806071
>A "shill" is someone who is trying to sell you a good without disclosing that he is working for the producer of said good.
Meaning you.
>>2806075
I'm not creating any threads. Maybe you should stop replying to them every single time, though.

>>2806080
We've been over this, Schlomo. Providing arguments wouldn't do a god damn thing because all you guys know is "muh 6 gorillion"

>>2806080

This is what he does. Whenever he gets cornered, he just starts saying shit like "it doesn't make sense" or "I don't get it" as if his lack of understanding counts as an argument.

>>2806088

>I have no argument, but I'm going to keep posting for some reason

>>2806096
>Still waiting on some solid evidence that the """""""Holocaust"""""""" happened.

>>2806088
>Providing arguments wouldn't do a god damn thing because all you guys know is "muh 6 gorillion"
error404, senpai. Provide arguments or go home. I don't see any argument ITT that hasn't been debunked.

>>2806107

Nope, when you dispute historical consensus, the burden of proof is on you.

>>2806116
Maybe we're looking at different threads then.

>>2806124
I can't diasprove something that hasn't been proven.

>>2806139
Why are you dancing around like a Persian court fool instead of providing arguments?

>>2799320
Complete bullshit. No
German leaders were executed after ww2. There was no tradition yet to prosecute enemy military leaders, even if they started an agressive war.

So they had to do something really messed up to feae of being put on trial.

>>2806139

Okay then, prove that Hitler wasn't a black woman. I mean, there are lots of pictures of him being a white man with a square moustache but those could have been photoshopped. My personal theory is that he (or rather she) was actually a black woman and unless somebody gives me definitive proof otherwise, I stand by this belief.

>>2806147
*after ww1

>>2806143
Have you provided any arguments thus far? Because I haven't seen any.

>>2806150
Ever seen a nigger with straight hair? I haven't.

>>2806162

>Implying Hitler had straight hair

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>>2806013
>doesn't engage with anything i said
>calls me a retard
>makes outrageous claims

>>2806162
>Have you provided any arguments thus far? Because I haven't seen any.
I'm not the one with burden of proof on my back.

>>2799483
a history of advertising will tell you how information is presented has an undeniable effect on how it's received

>>2806162
>Because I haven't seen any.

tell me sir, how is it that you manage to shitpost on an Polynesian canoe building forum without the ability to see?

>>2806162
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Here you go

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>>2806165
This doesn't seem very curly to me
(pic related)

>>2806171
Yup, the Germans hadn't had anything better to do than kill Jews in OVERLY complex ways that realistically don't even add up for what reason exactly? Ah, because Hitler said he hated the Jews and wanted them out of Europe. Yep, that counts for genocide right there.


>>2806176
>burden of proof

If you have the burden of proof, then were is it? Why can't you people just prove that the Holocaust happen so us "stormfags" can shut up once and for all? If we hate the Jews so much, why do we deny the Holocaust?

>>2806193
kek

(You)

>>2806194

>Implying that's actually Hitler

>>2806200
But you admitted that was Hitler already. You're not very good at this, are you?

>>2806194
>Yup, the Germans hadn't had anything better to do than kill Jews in OVERLY complex ways that realistically don't even add up for what reason exactly?
the only thing that doesn't realistically add up is how you were allowed anywhere near a computer

> Hitler said he hated the Jews and wanted them out of Europe. Yep, that counts for genocide right there.
yes that's pretty much the definition of it

>>2806206

Nope, Hitler was a black woman. You only believe otherwise because history has been whitewashed.

>>2806207
>the only thing that doesn't realistically add up is how you were allowed anywhere near a computer

That's not an argument. If you have nothing to say, then don't. There is no need to prove your stupidity more than you already have.

>yes that's pretty much the definition of it
OK. I want the Jews, the Muslims out of Europe. Guess i'm the genocider now

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>>2806224
>That's not an argument. If you have nothing to say, then don't. There is no need to prove your stupidity more than you already have.
>provides no arguments whatsoever
>gets mad when other posters dont provide arguments

nice

> I want the Jews, the Muslims out of Europe. Guess i'm the genocider now

if you were to succeed in that endavour, or even make any substantial progress towards it, you would be

>>2806235
We're going in circles here.


>if you were to succeed in that endavour, or even make any substantial progress towards it, you would be
Why? I'm not advocating for their genocide. There's a bit of a difference here from what I'm suggesting and what you're impyling. Your brain obviously lacks the mental capacity to process these things, maybe that's why you're so confused all the time.

>>2802777
Atlanta deserved it

>>2806194
>Why can't you people just prove that the Holocaust happen so us "stormfags" can shut up once and for all?
Do you think there is proof that Earth is round?

>If you have the burden of proof, then were is it?
https://archive.org/details/DestructionOfTheEuropeanJewsRaulHilberg

>>2806194
>kill Jews in OVERLY complex ways that realistically don't even add up
How is transporting documented Jews to a central location, seperating the able-bodied from those unable to work and herding the latter into a room that's filled with gas overly complicated? It's much easier than going guns blazing into Jewish homes and hunting them down.

>>2806296
First, there is no evidence of gassing ever occuring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed. Furthermore even though the Jews were killed en masse in those gas chambers, there is not a single evidence of a Jew dying by gassing.

Also, the amount of time it will take you to gas 6 million... well, let's just say it wouldn't have been possible for the time Hitler had.

Let's not begin with the ovens themselves, shall we?

>>2802777
>attacks federal property
>expects them to do nothing
Waste of trips

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>>2806253
>We're going in circles here.

you only just noticed?

>I'm not advocating for their genocide

and yet you want to get rid of a certain race

>Your brain obviously lacks the mental capacity to process these things, maybe that's why you're so confused all the time.

your brain obviously lack the ability to process anything, hence my confusion as to how you are operating a computer

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>>2806279
(((Hilberg)))

>>2806329
>and yet you want to get rid of a certain race

No, retard, no. Let me explain to you this extremely slowly - I DO NOT WANT THE JEWS OR MUSLIMS GENOCIDED. I WANT THEM OUT OF EUROPE. I DO NOT FIND THEM COMPATIBLE WITH EUROPEAN CULTURE.

Get it?

>>2806315

>The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty.

So what? If you're going to be killing tons of people in a room, who cares if it doesn't look nice?

>These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed!

Why would they need to be?

>There are large gaps between the floors and doors

Still not seeing the problem. And besides that, you're probably basing all this on what the chambers look like today in current photos. They would have been better sealed when actually in operation.

>>2806342
If you still are unable to get it, I WANT THEM TO GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN.

There.

>>2806346

This is a matter relating to contemporary politics that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Please stop trying to change the subject.

>>2806331
Best you can do? Can T. Snyder be countered by memes too?

btw anyone got the post war-British study on holocaust victims?

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>>2806342
>i want to massively violate the human rights of a certain group within society in order to see them gotten rid of

mate, you can play around with definitions but by this point we all know exactly how shit like this ends

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>>2806344
So what? If you're going to be killing tons of people in a room, who cares if it doesn't look nice?
>Why would they need to be?

Because otherwise gas will leak. Are you retarded?

>Still not seeing the problem. And besides that, you're probably basing all this on what the chambers look like today in current photos. They would have been better sealed when actually in operation.

No, I'm basing this on every information about them that we've had, pictures, documents, whatever after the war.

>>2806390

So what? Zyklon B is only lethal in a confined space. If a little bit leaks out, it doesn't matter. It's not like VX where getting even the tiniest drop on you results in death.

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>>2806315
>First, there is no evidence of gassing ever occuring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Gas_chambers
We have not only testimonials from both Nazis and former inmates, but actual remains of the gas cambers used.

>
The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings.
[citation needed]

> No exhaust stacks have ever existed.
We have blueprints of their existence, as well as aerial photos confirming they were built.

>Furthermore even though the Jews were killed en masse in those gas chambers, there is not a single evidence of a Jew dying by gassing.
Except for the testimonials from both sides confirming that gassings occurred, and that bodies were burned almost immediately afterwards.

>Also, the amount of time it will take you to gas 6 million
Only 3 million at most were gassed. The rest were killed by Einzatsgruppen, ghetto cleansings, starvation or typhus epidemics. No reputable historians claim otherwise.

>Let's not begin with the ovens themselves, shall we?
No, let's not. You've already shown that you don´t know what you're talking about.

Was Hitler a Zionist right before the war?

>>2802777
You idiot, I'm from Yugoslavia.

I'm as far from a Yankee as you can get. That doesn't mean your "muh heritage" is anything short of ridiculous.

Yankees being shit doesn't make the Confederacy any less of a nation built on literal human slavery.

>>2806315

> These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors.
It's almost like, as has been pointed out several times already, that Auschwitz (which, by the way, is not the only place where gassings occur, but does seem to be the only place you're familiar with) is not in the same shape it was in during the war.

Interestingly enough, there WERE orders for "gas tight doors" http://i.imgur.com/Ikvhwvf.png

>>2806405
There's no evidence of a significant Zyklon B usage in Auschwitz, no blue staining, nothing. Furthermore if they had just ordinary doors and windows, the Jews could escape pretty easily, if they wanted to.

>>2806417

>We have not only testimonials from both Nazis and former inmates, but actual remains of the gas cambers used.
Yes, we've heard those testimonies after the war. I wonder why someone would lie when under prosecution.

Second, almost nothing can be seen from that picture.

>[citation needed]
Leuchter and couple of others more.

>We have blueprints of their existence, as well as aerial photos confirming they were built.
[citation needed]

>Furthermore
Shit man, do you know how many years would it take to do all of that? Have you seen the "ovens"? At what rate do you imagine they would gas these people and then cremate them?

>Only 3 million at most were gassed.
Not possible in the amount of years the Nazis had to do it. We can delve deeper into this topic, if you'd like but there is no point.

>No, let's not
Ok

>>2806497
>At what rate do you imagine they would gas these people and then cremate them?

probably less than the 50 minutes it took people in the ninteenth century

https://ia902607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf
p124-5

>>2806497

>The stains don't last several decades, therefore they were never there

>>2806510
>probably less than the 50 minutes it took people in the ninteenth century
A body today with our technology gets cremated from 1 hour to 5 hours depending (the average is 2 hours) and you're telling me they did it less during Nazi Germany? Also, you're forgetting the fact that those ovens can't run 24/7.

You have any idea how long would it take for the Nazis to cremate 6 million people even with modern technology?
>https://ia902607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf
page requested could not be found.
>>2806513
They do.

>>2806532
>A body today with our technology gets cremated from 1 hour to 5 hours depending (the average is 2 hours)
[citation needed}

>those ovens can't run 24/7
are you doubting the superiority of German engineering?

>page requested could not be found.
my link works just fine, i would recommend learning how to use a computer before venturing onto the internet

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>>2806497
>I wonder why someone would lie when under prosecution.
I wonder why someone would lie about being guilty, let alone multiple people. Everyone from Eichmann to the Auschwitz registrar of new arrivals Hans Stark agrees that Jews were being gassed, in chambers and vans alike, CO and Zyklon B. Surely if they were innocent and there was no evidence. they wouldn´t have admitted to their crimes?

>Leuchter and couple of others more.
Leuchter has been disporved too many times too even count. https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab12-leuchter-report/ is one good example. Also "a couple of others" is not a very good citation.

>[citation needed]
Already posted the aerial photos, here are the blueprints.

>Shit man, do you know how many years would it take to do all of that?
Somewhere around four.

>Have you seen the "ovens"?
Have you?

>At what rate do you imagine they would gas these people and then cremate them?
Gassing doesn't take long when done en masse (thirty to forty people in a room), and cremation was done with multiple people per oven too with an hour at most being used for each body. Across the three or so years the twenty-one camps were active, it seems pretty reasonable.

>Not possible in the amount of years the Nazis had to do it.
And why is that?
>We can delve deeper into this topic, if you'd like but there is no point.
You're right, you'll probably just dismiss everything as propaganda anyway and provide nothing but blogs and MS paint infographics as sources.

>A body today with our technology gets cremated from 1 hour to 5 hours depending (the average is 2 hours) and you're telling me they did it less during Nazi Germany?
You do realize those ovens are restricted not by technology, but by regulations on how you can handle a dead corpse?

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>>2806550
>[citation needed}
https://www.iccfa.com/cremation/support/how-long-does-cremation-take
There is no cemetery on this planet, modern or otherwise that can cremate a body in under 1 hour. Here's a pic of the logistics of all of this since I can't be arsed typing it.

>are you doubting the superiority of German engineering?
Oh my god. You have no arguments left here?

>my link works just fine
Yes, it does, and it told me absolutely nothing.

>>2806575
I'll reply to this tomorrow. Too tired to continue now. Needless to say your post is bullshit.

>>2806532

According to the people who operated the ovens, they were able to incinerate 2500 bodies per day. Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, stated that it was standard procedure to burn multiple bodies in the same muffle at once, and that each time this was done, it generally took around 20 minutes to complete the incineration process.

>A body today with our technology gets cremated from 1 hour to 5 hours depending (the average is 2 hours)

Completely irrelevant because cremation in polite society is done purposefully slow. There are laws regarding respect for the dead that must be followed. A funeral home isn't going to be stuffing multiple bodies into a single oven. They're going to do burn the bodies one at a time. Also, the fires are Auschwitz were going continuously. This saves a lot of time by itself because you don't have to go through the process of warming up and cooling down.

>>2806582
>I'll reply to this tomorrow
I'll be waiting.
>Needless to say your post is bullshit
Kek

>>2806579

>There is no cemetery on this planet, modern or otherwise that can cremate a body in under 1 hour.

Because they are going to warm up the oven and cool it back down. That takes time. If you're running the oven continuously with no breaks, you avoid that problem completely. Also, no funeral home would ever burn multiple bodies at the same time, as was standard procedure at Auschwitz.

>>2806599

Can't believe I'm saying this bit the aerial reconnaissance photography over Auschwitz never showed smoke on consecutive days or even every other day. Once a week at most.

That right there refutes the "24/7 Jew Burning" industry argument.

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>>2806579
>Yes, it does, and it told me absolutely nothing.
This is probably because you can't read.

>The former was completed in twenty-five minutes, the latter in fifty.
So unless you have some reason to believe that Mr. Eassie was mistaken or lying about Mr Henry Thompson's furnace, you're stuck with the notion that a 19th century oven can burn a body much faster than 1-5 hours of a modern one, and that the limiting factors are not technological.

>>2806629
Anon, they didn't do daily overflights of Auschwitz.

>>2806418
>hmmm what if we picked up all the juden and dumped them in palestine
is not zionism

>>2806636

They most definitely did in '44 at what would have the height of "Jew Burning Season".

>>2806658
>They most definitely did in '44 at what would have the height of "Jew Burning Season".
[citation needed] It doesn't even make sense. The Hhungarian deportations mostly occurred in May and June. This is right when the Western Allies are getting ready for D-Day and the follow-up operations. So of course they're going to be sending daily reconnaissance flights outside their own fighter umbrellas to fucking Poland to support those operations.

>>2806658

No, they didn't. The Allies never considered Auschwitz to be a priority location. The idea that they would have it under constant surveillance is silly.

>>2803055
The Einsatzgruppen was an anti-terrorist organization.

>>2806769

Literal Goebbels-tier Wehrabooism

>>2801663
Jesus fuck, she was 15 you think she had already? plz

>>2806639
So yes, Hitler was for relocating Jews to a new nation specifically for them, a Zionist.

>>2806781
Wehraboo is a word made up by Reddit on /r/badhistory

Go home faggaboo (people obsessed with sucking dicks)

>>2806804

Up until a century or two ago, your average housewife was married by 14 and pregnant with her first one by 15/16 so no it wasn't especially abnormal back then. And unplanned pregnancies tend to go up during wartime because of rape, prostitution, and loss of inhibition, the children born in such times often from suffering from more serious physical and emotional problems.

A couple of other anons have raised the possibility that Anne could have been pregnant or even given birth in hiding and it could've been covered up by her father purging her diary of all references to it and convincing the handful of people who knew her and survived the war not to talk about it (they would have understood why). While that's definitely stretch-marked in terms of plausibility, they make a coherent enough argument for it.

>>2805690
In early 1943 there were 46 ovens in 4 crematoriums. They added a 5th crematorium by june that same year which added another 8 ovens.

There is no dispute over the crematoriums, we have the blueprints, order forms, construction notes, order forms for the industrial ventilators, and eye witnesses, diary entries and photographs to back them up.

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>>2805800
4 hours? Why would the the manufacturers of the ovens be writing memos Himmler stating that the camp commandant stated that disposing of 80,000 corpses a month would be "insufficient" and that they could provide more ovens?

See pic related: Translation available here: https://web.archive.org/web/20120401191409/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

>>2806579
Naziboos often cite 3 or 4 hours it takes a modern crematorium to burn a body.

What they fail (or purposely omit) to consider is that a modern crematorium must be heated, the body placed inside (usually in a wooden box) and then the body burned at a temperature to produce a reasonable amount of remains. Then the oven is cooled down so they can retrieve the remains. Yes all this takes 3 or 4 hours.

Do you think the nazis worried about such things like retrieval of remains when they would stuff upwards of 6 or 7 bodies in a single oven?

A SS statistician at Auschwitz calculated that they would be able to burn 1.7 million bodies in a SINGLE YEAR (keep in mind they had over 3 years to burn 1.1 million corpses) in a memo sent to Himmler. I can provide this memo if you want, but I doubt it or anything else would change your mind.

I thought /his/ was supposed to be /pol/ without the braindead nazi worship. What went wrong?

>>2807272
/pol/ is 4chan. Don't know why people think they can escape us simply by moving to another board. At this point if you don't hate Jews you might as well not visit this website. Reddit is always looking for faggots like you though

>>2799181
We all know that the holocause is a meme m8

>>2799181
They were not killed immedietly because the labor they provided was both useful and deadly. Hitler built the german highway system faster then you can make a bad holocost joke.

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>>2799181
DONT QUESTION THAT

Can't wait till the Mods delete this like they always do so people can't see the so-called /his/torians get BTFO'd by pure facts and statistics

>>2807339

Kys newfag and go back to your containment board or better yet Stormfront instead of trolling /int/ and /his/ with your asinine garbage. I wish Moot hadn't deleted /new/, that way you asshats would have never left your hellhole.

>>2807454
>trolling /int/
/int/ is such a shithole it doesn't deserve to be just trolled, it deserves to be deleted permanently.

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>>2807454
>calls someone a newfag
>doesn't hate jews

you are either Jewish or haven't been here long enough. it's mathematically impossible to be on /his/ for a day without being red pilled

>>2807471
/his/ commies/jew apologists are the funniest bunch

Jew X does something wrong to Y:
>prove that X was a jew!
>I don't accept your source, it sounds like /pol/ propaganda
>he wasn't a jew, he was actually an atheist
>okay so he was a jew, so what? pure coincidence
>you know what, Y people have been mean to jews since forever so Y totally deserved that!

>>2807339
>if you don't think like we do you shouldn't come to this website.
Sounds like reddit-tier thinking there.

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You know, you gotta give it to the /pol/fags, sure, they keep getting BTFO by simple logic and an actual understanding of history, but they keep making their "red pilled" threads over and over again. The holocaust issue always makes me laugh in terms of how /pol/fags manage it

>muh it didn't happen but I would like for it to happen again
>l-lies, (((jew)))), in my stormfag circlejerk someone said

>>2807385
>>2807406
>>2807426
>>2807450
>>2807471
>>2807475
Boy, /pol/ sure took its time flooding here

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REEEEEEEEE STOP QUESTIONG THE SHOAH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2808351
Wanting it to happen and not believing it happened are two entirely different things that have no correlation one another. Also, I sincerely doubt most white nationalists want the Jews exterminated, that's a meme.

>>2808830

>still no argument

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>>2808945
Being a White nationalist is way different than being a Nazi or Neonazi. An example of this would be the KKK, sure, they are White Nationalists and Supremacists, but not the same as Nazis or other related groups.

At the end of the day /pol/fags are nothing more than memelords circlejerking with fake info originated from stormfront and other such sites. The problem is when they try to use such "information" to discuss and someone outside their circlejerk points out how its fake or an obvious misinterpretation of history, to which they will of course reply with (((lew jew))), rebbit, normie, blue pill and so on.

The reason why they deny the holocaust and other atrocities committed by the Nazi regime its the same reason why the Nazis tried to cover it up, only a psychopath would feel pride on any of that. Their idea of the Nazis is uncle Hitler parading and everybody being happy with their Aryan brethren, and other memes, they try to ignore the oppression and prosecution to the German people, their ridiculous racial and ethnic ideas, etc, hell, some of them unironically believe the Nazi book burning was only about "porn", they try their best to deny how they burned from basic science books because they were written by "subhumans", to history and archaeological books because of the image they painted about the Germanic supermen.

I unironically believe most modern "Nazis" wouldn't even survive a week on Nazi Germany.

>>2807471
this

>>2802777
>
You know what disgusts me the most about you Yankees? It's not all the wars you start. It's not the glorified Mafia you run out of New York and DC. It's not your tyranny, cruelty, and swindling which you use to plunder the entire planet. That shit's been around for millennia.
>You deposed the lawful democratically elected state legislatures of the South when you invaded us. And you've done again and again in every corner of the world from Argentina to Yugoslavia.
>You parasites literally no only financed Nazi Germany in the 30s, you practically supplied them with the basis of their ideology with Ford's International Jew and Eugenics.

So your'e just going to pretend southerners had nothing to do with these?

>You deposed the lawful democratically elected state legislatures of the South when you invaded us.
And are you going to pretend that it wasn't the south who attacked the North?