Have /his/torians created any other images to debunk holocaust denial?

>>2796962
pretty sure these predated /his/

>>2796975
I'm in the process of creating one

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I have a bunch because the constant /pol/ screeching is annoying. Didn't make them though.

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This is an order by the manufacturers of the Auschwitz Crematoriums that indicates they can burn as many bodies as been accepted by historians.

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in reaction to the "red cross said only 300,000 jews died" meme

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>>2797355

Does anyone have those pictures asking "Do you have a single Neo-nazi source to back that up?" in order to mock stormfags who accuse every source of being influenced by jews?

>>2797475
Nice bump OP.

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>>2797355
You are looking for this letter

So how many Jews do you reckon died, I'd say atleast 4 million

>>2796962
None of this debunks anything, it's all merely carefully worded to sound as if it is debunking something. Other parts don't debunk anything but are attacks on the character of the debunker- which are fallacious methods of debate. Multiple issues also arise from the statements made in these images, from left to right
>makes the claim that the weather impacted the walls reducing the "prussian blue"- the chamber within Auschwitz had been replastered over and utilized as a binb shelter towards the end of the war- thusly would have preserved the level of cyanide. Likewise why does the creator of the image state weather caused the erosion of cyanide? Because an actual investigation of the gas chambers was instigated until the Leuchter report forced "new findings"- which showed levels of "prussian blue" to be below the amount used for gassing- so explanations had to be given such as the weather being a factor.
Until then all basis of the holocaust rested solely on on firsthamd accounts and documents "discovered" by the Soviets, such as the Höss diary.
Meanwhile, it seemed that at every turn there was something which could magically explain away lack of eyewitness testimony or proof-
the Sonderkommando Jews who worked in the crematoria, removing the bodies of those who had been gassed, were killed every four months and replaced by a new group of Jews, in order to prevent (conveniently) eye-witness testimony to the gassing of the Jews.
There were among items found by the Soviet soldiers were 370,000 men's suits, 837,000 women's garments, and 7.7 tonnes (8.5 short tons) of human hair- all signs of delousing (removal of clothes and hair to delouse). The "Jewish" given reason for this? The Nazis used human hair in industry and gave the clothes. There was even undeniable report of a typhus epidemic (for the uneducated typhus is spread by lice- which are killed by, wait for it, Zyklon B) which killed numerous Germans including almost camp Commandant Otto Moll.

here's a big one, too lazy to upload pics individually

http://imgur.com/a/PSmeN

>>2797628
If i read correctly lice need 47 times the cyanide needed to kill a human

>>2797628
Cont.
The image also hopes that you're unaware that Zyklon B was the main delousing agent until DDT was created after the war- any person not "educated" in the holocaust would agree delousing chambers be necessary to prevent typhus in crowded areas.
Lets take another image- the Bergen Belsen Typhus epidemic one. It admits outright that Typhus was the cause and not Nazi gassing, but then tries to place the blame on the Nazis due to the crowding of the camp- without noting that typhus epidemics were commonplace in Europe at the time. In 1922 a typhus epidemic in Russia claimed 25-30 million victims, in Poland 4 million- far beyond that of the camp. And those were in clean, war-free nations! The image hopes that you're ignorant of history and will assume typhus was relegated solely to ares such as crowded camps.

>>2797655
*47 times

>>2797655
Even if it does, does it matter? The weather ruined all evidence of it on the walls, remember?

>>2797659
> In 1922 a typhus epidemic in Russia claimed 25-30 million victims, in Poland 4 million- far beyond that of the camp.
>Between 1918 and 1922 typhus caused at least 3 million deaths out of 20–30 million cases.

>>2797675
I guess we have differing sources, but based on yours
>4 million deaths in 4 years during peacetime in civil conditions
Makes 6 million during a war in camps seem more than plausible.

>>2797628
>Until then all basis of the holocaust rested solely on on firsthamd accounts and documents "discovered" by the Soviets, such as the Höss diary.
Except this is a lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_reports

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

>>2797685
And for some reason all of them were mostly Jews. And we also know that the Jews were considered the biggest enemy by the Nazis. And we know that they were murdered by the Einsatzgruppen in the East.

>>2796962

No, infographics are /pol/ tier and for retards.

>>2797695
spot the cuck

>>2797687
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_Report

>Only in 1963, during the in absentia trial of Hans Globke in East Germany[9] and four years after Jäger's suicide, Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs disclosed the document to the German Central Office of the State Justice Administrations for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes.[8]
More than 15 years after Nuremberg. There is no reason for this to be a fabrication, especially considering that Israel and the Soviet Union were enemies in 1960s.

>>2797668
The argument was that zyklon-B was used on people and clothes for delousing purpouses

>>2797698
Found him

>>2797687
>The nine-page report was prepared in five copies, but only one survives and is kept by the Special Archive, part of the Russian State Military Archive (ru) in Moscow.[7] The copy was discovered in 1944 when Red Army recaptured Lithuania, but it was not made known to scholars or the judiciary evaluating Nazi war crimes.[8] Only in 1963, during the in absentia trial of Hans Globke in East Germany[9] and four years after Jäger's suicide, Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs disclosed the document to the German Central Office of the State Justice Administrations for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes.[8]
>but it was not made known to scholars or the judiciary evaluating Nazi war crimes... in 1963

Loving. Every. Laugh.

Also
>the "we say evacuation but that means killing except for elderly Jews and decorated WW1 Jews and please ignore we repeatedly state that it is for work and labor" conference

>>2797711
Again, the Soviets were already enemies with Israel in 1963. And you know why it was published only in 1960s? Because of Stalin's propaganda. The official propaganda never mentioned that Jews were the primary target of German extermination program. Jager report explicitly shows that Jews were their main target.

>>2797711
We also say "special treatment" (the same term used in (Aktion T4) or "liquidation" (Goebbels).

>>2797711
Why were the Nazis killing Poles helping Jews and why every Jew outside of ghettos was killed if they just wanted to deport them?

>>2797702
Nah, the Soviets brought everyone they could to Nuremberg and were bent on revenge, they wouldn't have pocketed this and kept it for a rainy day, conveniently after the writer had died of "suicide".

As Nuremberg Judge Iola T Nikitchenko had stated

>We are dealing here with the chief war criminals who have already been convicted and whose conviction has been already announced by both the Moscow and Crimea [Yalta] declarations by the heads of the [Allied] governments... The whole idea is to secure quick and just punishment for the crime.
>The fact that the Nazi leaders are criminals has already been established. The task of the Tribunal is only to determine the measure of guilt of each particular person and mete out the necessary punishment -- the sentences.

To the Soviets they were all criminals and any and all damning testimony would have been made available then.

>>2797720
To discourage the Poles? To prevent formation of partisans with the most obvious group to form them? Why ask obvious questions to simple answers?

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>>2797720

>>2797722
>The official propaganda never mentioned that Jews were the primary target of German extermination program. Jager report explicitly shows that Jews were their main target.

>>2797724
>The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor."

From Goebbels diary. What did he mean by this? What is this "barbaric procedure" and why it's not to be described?

>>2797728
That doesn't alter the obvious fact that the Soviets, hell bent on punishing the Germans (which everyone, from the tankies to the Nazis agree on), found this massively damning document, forgot about it when it could have been used (especially on Jäger who was during Nuremberg still alive), and then magically the ONLY surviving copy reappears decades after it's writing and after Jäger had "committed suicide" conveniently during a related trial. God bless the Soviets for being great document finders.

>>2797734
Nice conspiracy theory.
*tips tinfoil hat*

>>2797734
There were other documents that were enough to punish the Nazis. Also:

>Jäger escaped capture by the Allies when the war ended, assumed a false identity, and was able to assimilate back into society as a farm hand until his report was discovered in March 1959. Arrested and charged with his crimes, Jäger committed suicide by hanging himself in prison in Hohenasperg while he was awaiting trial in June 1959.
He was not judged in the Nurember trial.

>>2797731
>The boxes of glass plates at Potsdam were discovered by the Soviets and shipped to Moscow, where they sat unopened until they were discovered by the German historian Elke Fröhlich in 1992.
>all of Goebbels diary post-1940 were dictated to a stenographer and not hand written

Once again, those beautiful Soviets waiting until it is pertient to release those documents :^)

>>2797737
This, why would the USSR lie, much less have they ever lied about history? The answer is no, only stormfags think the Soviets are historical revisionists.

>>2797746
There were a lot of different documents. There are probably still documents waiting to be discovered in various archives. This is how it works.

What would be even the point to forge Goebbels diary in 1992?

>>2797752
Again, there was no reason to lie or forge these documents. Jager killed himself 4 years before Jager report was published by the Soviets.

>>2797775
And naturally he was in West Germany. His report wasn't even used as evidence during his trial.

>>2797752
>allies lied
>Nazis were tortured
>all documents were forged
>Poles, Jews, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and others lied
>mass graves found in the East are all Communist lies
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>I'm not an anti-semite neo-Nazi, I'm just a seeker of truth, except fuck Jews, I wish Hitler killed them all

>>2797759
Maintain the holocaust narrative- remember, no one had any actual documentation of nazi leadership stating extermination was necessary. That, and in the Luechter Report (published in 1988), among other testimonies including Zundel, was beginning to throw doubt on the holocaust and spark interest on the vailidity of the accounts. That and it injects "fresh, exciting, and new" "knowledge" into the public consciousness, somewhat the same way every major western city has a holocaust museum.

>>2797790
>Slovaks, Hungarians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians and others lied

Those were all collaborators or direct Axis powers yah goof.

>>2797790
>mass graves found in the East are all Communist lies

What mass graves?

>>2797702
Except that for Zionism as a movement, securing a persecution narrative encourages outrage against an aggressor towards the purported victim, should any enemy of a Jewish majority state be threatened.

Propaganda being reinforced could only allow more security of future alliances against those who would find a common rivalry against an imposing aggressor. especially from the empathetic first-world nations to the west.

>>2797805
Numerous mass graves were found in many places in the East. There is a Soviet film that was showed at Nuremberg showing them.

>>2797805
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/10/mass-graves-and-dead-bodies.html

>>2797813
How many bodies were found? 1 million? 3 million? 6 million?

>>2796962
why bother using shitty meme images when you can just link them to nizkor
http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

>>2797821
I doubt anyone counted. You know, they never found all 800,000 bodies in Rwanda. Many mass graves were never found.

>>2797818
>most images are of sickly bodies, one from Bergen Belsen (as discussed typhus victims), most are Soviet found.
>other images of mass graves in ghettos (in other words, since they died in the ghetto there were no available burial plots so everyone was buried together)
>multiple images of groups of surviving Jews related to the Jews in the images
>numerous images captioned with "Jewish ghetto fighters" (partisans)
>>2797790
This actually started when I was looking for a Civil War/Confederacy Museum in my large Southern city- surprisingly there was none. I did notice, also surpisingly, that we had a Holocaust Museum. Why, I don't know, but I began to desire to find out.

>>2796962
>jewfags this mad

>>2797821
There identified 500 mass graves in the Ukraine alone. They literally found millions of people in all of Eastern Europe. Because of the sheer number they cant excavate all of them.
>>2797818
There is not a single Bergen-Belsen picture on that page.

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>>2797845

>>2797848
That was never stated in your link, and you're pulling that out of your ass.

>>2797854
I don't know what you are talking about. I didn't post a link. As for the numbers: They are public and I took them from the US Commission for the Preservation of America‟s Heritage Abroad (Jewish Cemeteries).

>>2797842
You can question literally everything like this. Maybe WW2 actually never happened? And I bet you believe in 60 million people killed by Stalin. Good luck finding mass graves or even documents.

>>2797858
>US Commission for the Preservation of America‟s Heritage Abroad
>cemeteries of foreign nationals in foreign countries
>American Heritage

For fucks sake.
>look it up
>it's an actual US government institution with a .gov url
>Chair- Leslie Weiss
>Members include- Abba Cohen, Martin Gold, Leslie Israel, tl;dr 90% Jewish
>The Commission consists of 21 members appointed by the President of the United States. Of these, seven are appointed after consultation with the Speaker of the House of Representatives and seven are appointed after consultation with the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, with three of each seven by tradition recommended by the minority leaders of each house of the Congress. The President designates a Chair from among the Members. Members are appointed for three-year terms but continue to serve until they are replaced. They are not paid for their service.

All you've done is remind me of the special treatment Jews have obtained from our government.

>>2797863
Why would the Soviets implicate themselves? Of course they would have every reason to forge documents post-war- half of their obtained territories, or rather "Warsaw Pact" nations were ex-Axis- they needed to discredit Fascism and Nazism in order to create a distaste for nationalism, last thing they needed were Ukrainians rallying around the Galician SS Lion or the Romanians using the Legionary history to repel Soviet influence.

>>2797715
I'm not a holocaust denier, but Stalin died in 1953. Just wanted to correct it

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>>2797869
>l i t e r a l l y using US taxpayer dollars to erect holocaust monoments worldwide

>>2797874
Your understanding of post-war Soviet policy is very limited.
Most Ukrainians joined the Soviets. Only a handful of them were pro-Nazi.

>SS Galizien
>80,000
>Ukrainians in Red Army
>5 million

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>>2797869
Good thing Trump will take care of th-

>>2797885
Khrushchev wasn't exactly a big friend of Israel either. The lie that the Jews weren't the main victim of that war continued until 1990.

>>2797891
Surprised that many existed post Holodomor, much less were willing to fight for their subjugator. More Soviet figures? Maybe I am wrong :^)

>>2797885
De-Staliniziation didn't happen the moment Stalin dies. Nikitas famous "Secret speech" was in 1956.

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>>2797900

>>2797895
Yeah anon, don't rub it in.
Almost makes you question whether a certain group of people were "rootless cosmopolitans plundering the nation, controlling it's media, politics, and finance".

>>2797874
>distaste for nationalism
If only. Soviet satellites were more nationalist than Western democracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories
This nonsense was pushed hard by the Soviets.

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>>2797913

>>2797901
Well, the Nazis murdered and enslaved quite a lot of them, so they weren't exactly happy about their rule.

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>>2797915

>>2797910
>Soviet satellites were more nationalist than Western democracies.
Now THIS is revisionist history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953_in_East_Germany

There are many more but I can't be arsed to post them all, goodnight tankie.

>>2797925
But this has nothing to do with nationalism.

>Within this complicated background, the decision to raise the work norms (in short the principle 'more work for the same salary') was perceived as a provocation, which would conceivably lead to the deterioration of living standards. The Central Committee decided to address the economic difficulties with a package of changes, which included higher taxes and higher prices, and—most significantly—an increase of the work quotas by 10%.[3]

>Although national income per capita rose in the first third of the 1950s, the standard of living fell. Huge income deductions to finance industrial investment reduced disposable personal income; mismanagement created chronic shortages in basic foodstuffs resulting in rationing of bread, sugar, flour, and meat.[24] Compulsory subscriptions to state bonds further reduced personal income. The net result was that disposable real income of workers and employees in 1952 was only two-thirds of what it had been in 1938, whereas in 1949, the proportion had been 90%.[25] These policies had a cumulative negative effect and fueled discontent as foreign debt grew and the population experienced shortages of goods.[26]

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>>2797919

>>2797925
we were though

just because a country is suddenly a ppls republic it doesnt mean everybody came a socialist
the so called eastern block was full of distrust towards eachother

you have no idea what you are talking about it

>>2797932
Anti-Russian sentiment wasn't allowed, but everything else was encouraged. There were tons of films about heroic soldiers fighting against Nazi regime, films and books about glorious past, 19th century novels were often adapted.

>>2797932
Nice cherrypicked focusing on the economic instigators while ignoring other factors including religious suppresion, but then again you would support that, would't you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring

>Czech reforms and de-Stalinization- crushed by the Soviets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poznań_1956_protests

>After Joseph Stalin's death, the process of destalinization prompted debates about fundamental issues throughout the entire Eastern Bloc. Nikita Khrushchev's speech On the Personality Cult and its Consequences had wide implications outside the Soviet Union and in other communist countries. In Poland, in addition to the criticism of the cult of personality, popular topics of debate centered on the right to steer a more independent course of 'local, NATIONAL socialism' instead of following the Soviet model down to every little detail; such views were seen in discussion and critique by many Polish United Workers' Party members of Stalin's execution of older Polish communists from Communist Party of Poland during the Great Purge.[4]

>Anti-communist resistance in Poland was also bolstered, and a group of opposition leaders and cultural figures founded the Klub Krzywego Koła (Skewed Wheel Club) in Warsaw. It promoted discussions about Polish independence, questioned the efficiency of the state controlled economy, and government disdain and even persecution of veterans of the Polish Armed Forces in the West and the Armia Krajowa resistance during World War II. While the intelligentsia expressed their dissatisfaction with discussions and publications (bibuła), workers took to the streets. The living conditions in Poland did not improve, contrary to government propaganda, and workers increasingly found that they had little power compared to bureaucracy of the Party (nomenklatura).[4]

>>2797939
People tend to simplify history. But history is often very complex.

>>2797951
When the answer is simple lose yourself in complexity, when the answer is multi-facted simplify it by focusing on a single facet.

>>2797949
But again, it has nothing to do with nationalism. And none of these protests happened because the people missed Nazis.

>>2797960
I never stated that anon, quit putting words in my mouth
>multiple protests occurred due to nationalist sentiment rising
>the Soviets were discrediting pre-WW2 nationalism and it's leadership from becoming symbols and figureheads (Codreanu, Sima, Horthy, etc.) by associating them with made up warcrimes

>>2797967
>due to nationalist sentiment rising
No, due to harsh economic conditions, censorship and so on.

>>the Soviets were discrediting pre-WW2 nationalism and it's leadership from becoming symbols and figureheads (Codreanu, Sima, Horthy, etc.) by associating them with made up warcrimes
The Soviets called even Piłsudski a fascist. Hell, they portrayed Willy Brandt as a gestapo agent.

>made up warcrimes
Nationalists from Poland never denied war crimes perpetrated by the Nazis. Poles were the first reporting about Jewish holocaust, not the Soviets.

The aerial images from Auschwitz-Birkenau between Dec 43-Feb 45 show no evidence of fuel depots(coke), chimney smoke, fires, or burning pits.

>>2798024
They actually show smoke from burning pits.

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>>2798024
What is this? This is from 23 August 1944.

>>2797802
Nice cherrypicking

>>2798062
polfags dont know history
the camp operators tried alot of shit to get rid of the bodies
from mass graves to burning pits

>>2798076
I like how most people who defend the SS are non white non Europeans

>>2798121
Sandniggers love hitler most non- whites do

>>2797212
pls add something about the spartacus uprising, the stab in the back meme is stronk

>>2797734
You've never read about how archives work, have you?

You'd be surprised about what kind of stuff can be found (or re-found) in them decades later.

>>2796962
>>>/pol/

We have no need of such thread.

Winston Churchill never mention the holocaust in his, 'The Second World War by Sir Winston S. Churchill'

Strange that he knew absolutely nothing of Death Camps during the war, if he did, he would have documented it.

>>2797724

Why would you discourage the poles? If they're feeding and supplying the Jews, you don't have to. Less of your stocks being used up for literally no effort.

>>2798275
>We have no need of such thread.

This is definitely about history, anon.

>>2797746

>the Soviets don't release information they captured in the war
>it only comes out after the collapse of the USSR

Why is this a shock to you?

>>2798318
It's about debunking conspiracy theory. Hive of this theory is not here, in fact every time they come here they get debunked and flee. This thread would have greater effect in the said hive.

>>2798328
>in fact every time they come here they get debunked and flee.

Yeah, because of threads like this.

>>2797800

> every major western city has a holocaust museum.

Do they?

>>2796969
>>2797339
>>2797351
These would be more compelling without the "ironic" comments, impact font text, the insults etc.

>109 replies
>26 posters

Can you baiting shills stop replying to yourselves?

>>2797590
4-6 million. It really goes down to what census and estimates you look at it. Some areas, like Lithuanians, Germans had 90% of their population die, and certain dialects went extinct.

The Romaniate Jews, who historically faced no problems and were well liked by everyone has basically been destroyed from it. It's pretty sad, it's the oldest European Jewish community

>/his/ believes jewish testimony at Nuremberg that jewish blood is flammable
>/his/ believes crematoriums were better 70 years ago than they are today
>/his/ believes that 1.5 jews per minute were gassed and ashed
>/his/ doesn't want you to know that proof of orders for the final solution were never found
Bumping an inaccurate propaganda thread

>>2798328
No point in raiding /pol/ tbqh, they either don't care , larp for the sake of it or drown you in a sea of strawmen. I used to make bait JIDF threads for a while to just collect (You)'s and that's pretty much you're gonna get from them if you try. Besides /pol/ is borderline verging on board civil war at the moment anyway due to reddit invasion.

>>2798589
Hello /pol/tard, were there any mass-graves full of jewish bodies found anywhere near the concentration camp?
Because they couldn't have just cremated them all from what you were saying.
There must have at least been millions of skeletons

>>2798289
>Winston Churchill never mention the holocaust in his, 'The Second World War by Sir Winston S. Churchill'

Wrong.

>The wholesale massacre by systematised processes of six or seven millions of men, women and children in the German execution camps exceeds in horror the rough and ready butcheries of Genghis Khan, and in scale reduces them to pygmy proportions. Deliberate extermination of whole populations was contemplated and pursued by both Germany and Russia in the Eastern war.

-THE SECOND WORLD WAR “The Gathering Storm” page 15"

They just hadn't started calling it the holocaust.

>>2798626
Wow, so even this was a stormfag lie? How can they be so dishonest?

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>>2798621
Hard to say because investigating areas around "death camps" is illegal. Why would a timely investigation be feared? Why not now?

>>2798626
That is a post war commentary, nowhere does he talk about the Holocaust in relation to events that occurred during the war, this comment is the most blatant postscript added to the work, again I say he does not mention the Holocaust at all in his narrative.

>>2798653
It's not a coincidence. Death camps were in the East, in Poland.

>>2798689
Probably because only after the war the allies discovered the truth. There were war reports from Polish resistance, but no one believed them.

>>2798062

> coal fires
> white smoke

Natural vegetation produces white smoke, coal produces dark smoke.

>>2798709
>coal
I'm sure they were burning people in those pits.

>>2798698
>>2798689
And because his memoirs (not a history, memoirs) are primarily about what Britian was doing in WW2. That's why you get enormous focus on things like North Africa and the Atlantic, whereas the Eastern Front gets a big "Yeah, there were people fighting a lot over there".

Point to me to some actual British actions undertaken in the war vis a vis the holocaust, and then we'll have some reason to discuss why he would or wouldn't mention it.

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>>2798709
More revisionist "expertise". What are they burning here?

>>2798698
Funnily, the Bolsheviks were trying hard to push all the blame upon the Nazis (Katyn Forrest Massacre: Nuremberg), all these supposed Death Camps are all located within Bolshevik territory, why would they build fake buildings pretending to be Gas Chambers et cetera? Bolsheviks were Jews, this is Jewish bullshit.

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>>2798724
Better quality.

I see white smoke. Are Jews actually plants?

>>2798730
Poles weren't bolsheviks and they were the first who mentioned gas (or steam) chambers.

>>2798717
Yes, they put the women in first, lit a match, and then throw the men on top. Because we all know from Jewish testimony that women burn better than men.

>>2798724
Don't know that image, but probably victims of disease and malnutrition.

>>2798741
>Don't know that image
Funny, because it's one of the most famous holocaust pictures.

>>2798731
https://archive.org/stream/BodyDisposalAtAuschwitzTheEndOfHolocaustDenial/BDA_djvu.txt


>Wood was also another fuel source available for the ovens. Topf had made ovens which
could be fueled with wood but they were not as efficient as the coke models. [ — ] Tauber
stated that wood and straw were used for the ovens when coke was in short supply.

>Photos of Krema III after its liberation show large piles of cut wood on its outside grounds.

>Not until the end of the summer [September] of 1942 did we start burning
them. At first we put 2000 bodies on a large pile of wood. Then we opened up the mass graves and burned the new bodies on top of the old ones from the earlier burials... The burning went on continuously - all day and all night.

>>2798731
Wait a minute, that's that doctored image, kek

>>2798747

kek
>>2798752

>>2798752
Prove it.

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>>2798763

>>2798769
The first picture is fake. I knew you will post this garbage. You holocaust deniers are such mindless drones.

The bodies are literally cut in half in your pic.

>>2798782
Prove it.

>>2798786
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/03/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by.html

>>2798786
By the way, Ghost Adventures. Marvelous source, you guys clearly care about the truth.

>>2798800
Fair enough, but it does not prove a mass holocaust, Nazis did kill many Jews, it was a dirty war, both sides committed this atoricities, but those images show bodies being burned, this simply could be the burning of diseased people, which we know happened.

>>2798805
C'mon, I posted the image from the debunking site.

>>2798769

>>2798694

That raises the question: If it were a party-wide policy to exterminate the Jews, why did they only run death camps in Poland?

Really the only argument I've heard that makes sense is from Irving where he says the German SS Commander in Poland went a bit rogue, and implemented the homicidal death camp policy himself once the war started going poorly. It was not a decision of the Nazi high command.

>>2798858
>That raises the question: If it were a party-wide policy to exterminate the Jews, why did they only run death camps in Poland?
Because the overwhelming majority of European Jewry lived in and around Poland.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/WannseeList.jpg

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So who should we trust, the people who lie all the time, or the victims of the lies?


This video shows who's lying, and embellishing the truth.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4vG0e8puvo

In a courtroom, this amount of lying would surely destroy the Prosecutors.

>>2798858
Bullshit, the Jews have taken away any criticism of the Bolsheviks, the Nazis are the bad guys while communists still exist openly without any viable denunciations.

>>2798858
>Really the only argument I've heard that makes sense is from Irving...

Uneducated Americans questioning European history again? Have you ever heard about the Pale?

>>2798877
>Have you ever heard about the Pale?
Tell me about it, I bet what you say is wrong.

>>2798867

That isn't a very satisfying answer. Are you saying there were enough Jews in Western Europe to build labor camps, but not death camps?

>>2798870
>Stormfags
>Not lying all the time.

Speaking of shit holding up in court, I encourage you to read all of this. It's quite fascinating to see how much holocaust deniers lie repeatedly.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2000/115.html
>>2798877
Not him, but Irving is British, dude. And an idiot and a liar, but such things transcend nationality.

>>2798877

Feel free to fill me in. I'm honestly curious.

I'm merely saying it doesn't make any sense to want to Eliminate European Jewery and then only make a small fraction of your camps death camps and to locate them all in Eastern Europe.

>>2798884
>Stormfags
I ain't a stormfag, whatever that is, what is a stormfag?

>>2798880
>That isn't a very satisfying answer. Are you saying there were enough Jews in Western Europe to build labor camps, but not death camps?
I'm saying that there were more people in labor camps than just Jews. You can start with the roughly 2 millionish French PoWs who managed to be interned for most of the war but somehow didn't all get typhus and die, or starve and die when the Allies started bombing, because surprise, the Nazis genocidal impulses were aimed more at Jews and Slavs, and thus built their extermination camps near areas where you had a lot of Jews and Slavs.

>>2798892
See, lying right off the bat.

>>2798870
You do realize Herman was called out by Lipstadt of all people.

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REMEMBER THE 6 QUADRLIONS, GOY.

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>>2798902
>More stormfag lies.
Pic related.

https://ia902607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf

1875 crematoria could burn a body in less than an hour. and that's before you get to things like multiple burnings.

>>2798891
>locate them all in Eastern Europe.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

That's where most of the Jews (and other people deemed worthy of mass murder) were.

>only make a small fraction
You need to weight size of the camps.

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>>2798907
OY GEVALT

>>2798911
>15 mil jews in europe
>primarily in eastern erope
>/pol/acks literally proving the holocaust happened

i wan not aware idiots of this caliber had the ability to operate computers

>>2798911
Friendly reminder that MSu is not a valid method of gathering demographical data and is frequently used by anti-semites and neonazis in general.

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>>2798902
>>2798911
Good shit bro. You're fucking ripping these (((/his/torians))) to fucking shreds bro. Keep dropping truth bombs bruh, /his/ is waking up!!

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>>2798936

6 billion in Europe, Schlomo. Might want to look at the graph again.

>>2798938
SHUT IT DOWN!

>>2798938
>anti-semites
Yiddish is not Semitic, you don't have a monopoly on Semites.

>>2798958
Yiddish is a Germanic language with Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin influences, which coincides with their history.

Patois is an English language, but it doesn't stop the West African influences in the way Jamaicans speak. Not to mention "Anti-Semite" was made up by some German.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

>In 1879 Marr founded the League of Antisemites (Antisemiten-Liga), the first German organization committed specifically to combating the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews and advocating their forced removal from the country.

>He argued that Jewish emancipation resulting from German liberalism had allowed the Jews to control German finance and industry.

OY VEY! We gave Jews equal rights and now we can’t compete!!

>>2798910

I guess I should say: why was any major fraction of Jewish internment in labor camps instead of death camps? Even if there were fewer Jews in France and the lowland countries, why wasn't there even one local death camp?

>>2798895

I don't think there is dispute that the Jews in Western concentration camps were treated poorly. But to me it seems a disconnect for their to be a party wide policy to eliminate the Jews and then never implement systematic gassings/diesel engines/machine gunnings in Western Europe.

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>it's a shitposters pretend to be holocaust deniers to get (you)s thread
How boring.

>>2798958
Stormfags really don't know how words work

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

>The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people, e.g., including Arabs. The compound word antisemite was popularized in Germany in 1879 as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass "Jew-hatred".

Anti-Semites doesn't literally mean "Against Semites." It specifically means Jews. It's like saying "HOMOPHOBIA IS JUST FEARING GAYS, I'M SCARED OF THEM." No, that's just what the term is.

Bigotry against Gypsies is called Antizyganism, however Gypsies aren't "Zygas," that's just what the word came to be tall. Before anti-semitism, it was called "Jew hatred" by Jews until Germans thought "Anti-Semite" sounded cool.

>>2798977
>implying they are pretending and stormfags aren't this dumb

>>2798970
>I guess I should say: why was any major fraction of Jewish internment in labor camps instead of death camps?
Because majority of Jews could work?

>>2798980
Well stop using it, this is English, not German.

>>2799000
English has adopted it from the German. There's no reason to stop using it, now that it has become the standard term in both languages.

>>2799000
That's not how words work. Let's just scrap the word Homophobe because it doesn't LITERALLY mean someone who's scared of Gay people. Let's just scrap the word Anti-Semite because it doesn't LITERALLY mean Anti Semitic people.

How come holocaust deniers always have to resort to anecdotal shit like "see this pic is doctored that means it's ALL FAKE" or "see this guy embellished a story so it's ALL FAKE"

Fabricating the holocaust would be the largest deception campaign in human history, requiring millions of people involved. Surely some bit of evidence indicating a plot to fabricate such an event would exist, somewhere. How the fuck did they plan the most complex psyop in human history otherwise?

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>>2798977
>No arguments
>le the boogeyman stormfag out to get me.

The jew has taught you well.

>>2799017
Because they have no competing counter-narrative. The closest I've seen personally is a belief that deaths happened and were primarily caused by allied bombing, but even that's not something you can attribute to the entirety of the holocaust denier movement.

So they're stuck playing defense.They don't believe "the official story", however you're defining that, but they don't have a story of their own, not in practical details. So all they can do is try to pick away at evidence and then claim it never happened, as opposed to presenting countervailing evidence.

>>2799000
Are you autistic? A composed word doesn't necessarily mean what the conjunction of the words that compose it mean. It's like asking someone to stop using a word because its etymological origin isn't what it currently means, which would mean to stop using 99% of modern words. For people who constantly shitpost about triggered snowflakes, stormfags sure are triggered by the stupidest shit.

>>2798953
The version of Stalin Order 0428 you have transcribed was demonstrated by German historians Christian Hartmann and Jürgen Zarusky to be a forgery.

>Korovin TK
Wow, you know that from this photo? Why it can't be Browning? Or Dreyse Model 1907? Or maybe Walther PP?

>>2798988

There were plenty of able-bodied Jews who could work. I mean I see two possible arguments coming from you:

"The Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews" -- Okay, so why did the Nazis build labor camps all across Europe and not death camps? If the final solution was an actual goal, don't you think the efficent Germans would build death camps wherever Jews were and not exclusively in Poland?

"The Nazis wanted labor." -- Then why did they gas able-bodied Jews? Seems like a big waste of resources to ship Jews across the country, send them to a camp, and gas them if you are trying to extract labor for the war effort.

I honestly don't see how one can argue these camps had a dual-mandate. If you want to kill Jews, build death camps across Europe. If you want labor, don't kill able-bodied Jews two years before war's end.

>>2799017
I simply can't take it serious. I lived next to Skokie, where there are a shit ton of Holocaust survivors and i've met at least 10 of them in my life. They were usually damaged, nice and poor people who still haven't recovered. You can tell from talking to them there whole mental state is destroyed. You could argue about numbers or whatever, but I am certain that whatever happened to these people was traumatic on a level I can't comprehend.

>>2799000
We should stop using the word "awful" to describe things that are bad because "awful" implies that something is "full of awe" and therefore should be even better than "awesome" because that implies that it only has "some awe."

>>2799018
I like how there are already posts in this thread debunking some of these "forgeries"

Why are you such a lying piece of shit?

>>2799044
Yeah, because governments never have contradictory or poorly thought out policies. That just doesn't happen.

>>2799049
>And then they just all disappear right around the time people publish new almanacs and censuses in light of the aftermaths of WW2, BUT IT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED!

>>2799018
Most of the pics in this have already had the doctored claims debunked.

>>2799017

I mean there is no hard evidence for the Holocaust actually occurring: It is all witness testimony more or less. What exactly else is there to attack than photographs, body counts, etc.?

I'll phrase it another way: If you had doubts about the holocaust, which pillar of the narrative would you wish to overturn to bring the whole thing crashing down?

>>2799049
Is this a joke? There is a drop of 4 million between 1948 and 1950.

>>2799044
Because concention camps existed in nazi germany from the onset but death camps started popping up only after 1942ish

>>2799066
>I mean there is no hard evidence for the Holocaust actually occurring: It is all witness testimony more or less. What exactly else is there to attack than photographs, body counts, etc.?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

>>2799066
There is no hard evidence for Julius Caesar or Charlemagne existing. There is almost no evidence for millions being killed by the Soviets.

>>2799044
Why the fuck would you build death camps where there are a very small amount of jews instead of building them where the vast majority are and transporting the rest?
And what's with stormfags and trying to construct history based on retarded rationalizations? Imagine if someone said something like "every bit of evidence points to mongols withdrawing their invasion of europe after ogodei's death, but would you really stop conquering an entire continent just because of that? It doesn't make sense to me, therefore mongols must have actually invaded europe". It's ridiculously idiotic.

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>>2799017
Holocaust deniers are incapable of or unwilling to see the whole picture, that's why they focus on minute details, trying to find things that look suspicious, rather than evaluating the whole body of evidence and then ask themselves whether it really happened.

It is, however, no coincidence that Holocaust deniers tend to believe in all sorts of other conspiracies. Holocaust denial requires a constant widening of the grand conspiracy to affirm its circular reasoning by discrediting all contrary evidence.

There's documents proving it? They must've been faked by German Jewish historians. They are part of the conspiracy.
There's witness records from German Jews? Well, they are part of the conspiracy.
There's witness records from Polish and Russian PoWs? Well, those individuals were part of the conspiracy.
There's video footage from Soviet? Well, the Soviet government was part of the conspiracy.
The Soviets were in conflict with the West and had no reason to cooperate with them? Well, then the Soviets and the West was in a conspiracy, so then there's a worldwide, all governemts spanning conspiracy.
Material coming out decades later affirmed earlier material? Well, then the later goernments are also in the conspiracy, so there's a multi-generational, all governments spanning, millions of people including worldwide conspiracy.

Conspiratorial ideation feeds itself.

It's a very sad sight.

>>2799044
>If the final solution was an actual goal, don't you think the efficent Germans would build death camps wherever Jews were and not exclusively in Poland?

They built them where the largest Jewish population lived. Poland had 3,5 million Jews. And Hungary was just across the border with another million.

Also nobody cared what happened in Poland, because there was no Polish collaborationist government. The Polish state was completely disestablished. If the Germans started building a death camp in, say, Denmark, which remained a state even when it was occupied, there'd be some sort of opposition.

Lastly, they could've repurposed the camps later on to kill Poles.

>>2799074

And they only popped up in Poland? Not one in Western Europe? If it was a party wide policy to exterminate the Jews, why not build even one death camp in France, Germany, Belgium, etc.? There were Jews to kill in Western Europe after all?

>>2799060
>>2799073
The number goes down after they do new estimates retards, they previous numbers are projections.

>>2799086

There are documents detailing ceasars life. There is almost no explicit documented evidence of a Nazi order or policy of killing Jews. That's a pretty specious comparison.

>>2799066
By modern scholarly/empirical standards its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. The absence of an official order from Hitler or top-level nazis isn't surprising given the process began in 1942 when Germany was already losing the war. However there are plenty of records of the logistical processes and murders themselves, which of course you dismiss as forgeries

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>>2799054
Where? It's just the typical "I don't believe it so I disagree".

There's not a single shred of SOLID evidence that the Holocaust ever happened and if it did, it certainly wasn't in the numbers suggested.

>>2799097
They popped up where the most Jews were, i.e. the pale of settlement. Moreover the camps were established in places which were then outside the range of Allied bombing.

>>2799111
>I have never read Hans Frank's stuff.

inb4 all a Jewish forgery.

>>2799119
>There's not a single shred of SOLID evidence that the Holocaust ever happened and if it did, it certainly wasn't in the numbers suggested.

Again, >>2799083
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

Just because you shut your eyes, clap your hands over your ears, and shout IT DIDNT HAPPEN doesn't invalidate the actual evidence.

>>2799090

Janowska was a death camp that only killed 40,000. The Germans had no problem with building or converting camps with only a relatively small number of Jews.

I don't find the "Western Europe had enough Jews to extract labor from, but not enough to gas." argument plausible.

>>2799119
Lower pic is a nazi guard disguising himself as a prisoner when the allies arrived (albeit poorly)

Rest of this is BS. "Hitler was a christian he'd never kill the Jews" and "muh palestine!!!!"

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(((HOLOCAUST CONTROVERSIES)))
What Part Of The Word Genocide Do You Not Understand?

Some fucking list of materials is THE SOLID EVIDENCE OF THE HOLOCAUST, LADIES AND GENTLEMAN. Fucking hell, you guys are so extraordinary stupid or just plain shills.

Am I speaking to Schlomo Goldenstein here?

>>2799111
There are many documents, such as Einsatzgruppen reports, Jager report, Wansee protocol, Goebbels diaries, witness accounts (from all countries occupied by the Nazis.

Of course you call all of them forgeries. But what about Julius Caesar then? How many documents about his life are there and how reliable are they?

>>2799111
"almost" is the key word there. Which isn't surprising as the holocaust began around 1942, the same time that most Germans began realizing the war was lost. So they'd need to cover their tracks and tons of evidence was destroyed.

Of course, they couldn't destroy all of it, so tons of documents do exist. So there's really noa rgument here

>>2799137
>I have no actual counterargument
>I do have a bizarre ad hominem attack on the source.

That might work on /pol/ but not here.

>>2798953
How do people still fall for this image?

>>2799122

Why would you put labor camps in range of allied bombing, but not death camps? Wouldn't you not care if the condemned were bombed or starved? And wouldn't you care if you war-effort labor camps were cutoff or destroyed?

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>>2799097
The combined Jewish population of Western Europe pre-war was less than 15% of that of Poland. Pic related, keep in mind that this is data from 1933 and by 1939 about half of German Jews had fled to other countries.

Western Europe is a lot more densely populated than Eastern Europe. Combined with what >>2799096 said, it was therefore much easier to maintain a policy of extermination under the radar in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe. Not to mention that the Nazis had the whole "evacuation/resettlement to the East" narrative for the Jews.

>>2799123

I haven't. If you could show something instead of being snarky that would be great.

Let me put it this way, during the Irving trial, even the judge there was shockingly little hard evidence the holocaust had occurred.

>>2799119
This infographic is so hilariously bad I'm pretty sure this must be satire or at least bait.

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>>2799147
Where the fuck is your SOLID evidence, shill? Materials? Is that the whole proof of the (((Holocaust)))? Get real. A massive genocide of that scale will have left some evidence behind, don't you think? Arguing with you people is like arguing with a brick wall.

How can you people be so fucking stupid?

>>2799131
Point to what you want us to look at. Don't just throw links at us. For example this is the first piece of evidence:

>Letter of 14 July 1941 from the Topf engineer Paul Erdmann to the construction office Mauthausen on a cremation rate of 33 to 40 min per corpse “without overloading” the two-muffle oven

No one is denying the camps had crematoria. Any group of hundreds of thousands of people has deaths and bodies need to be disposed of. Doubly so when there are unhygenic conditions and summary executions. Saying crematoria are proof of the final solution is like saying your local crematoria is proof of local genocide.

>>2799184
What did Goebbels mean by this?

>The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

>>2799164
>I haven't.

So, you're making a bold, existential claim>>2799111
> There is almost no explicit documented evidence of a Nazi order or policy of killing Jews.
While being grossly ignorant of what's actually out there? Idiot.

If you could show something instead of being snarky that would be great.
http://archives.lib.uconn.edu/islandora/object/20002%3A1497/pdf_download

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nuremberg-trial-defendants-hans-frank

>"The feeding of a Jewish population, estimated heretofore at 1.6 million, drops off to an estimated total of 300,000 Jews, who still work for German interests as craftsmen or otherwise. For these the Jewish rations, including certain special allotments which have proved necessary for the maintenance of working capacity, will be retained. The other Jews, a total of 1.2 million, will no longer be provided with foodstuffs." (2233-E-PS)

>"That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should be noted only marginally. It is a matter of course that should the Jews not starve it would, we hope, result in speeding up anti-Jewish measures." (2233-E-PS)

1/2

>>2799164

>Let me put it this way, during the Irving trial, even the judge there was shockingly little hard evidence the holocaust had occurred.
Really? I have transcripts of the Irving trial, and the judge's statements.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day001.htm
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2000/115.html

Perhaps you can point that alleged quote out to me. Considering you have other statements, like on 1.3 of the introduction to the judge's statement

>Needless to say, the context in which these issues fall to be determined is one which arouses the strongest passions. On that account, it is important that I stress at the outset of this judgment that I do not regard it as being any part of my function as the trial judge to make findings of fact as to what did and what did not occur during the Nazi regime in Germany. It will be necessary for me to rehearse, at some length, certain historical data. The need for this arises because I must evaluate the criticisms of or (as Irving would put it) the attack upon his conduct as an historian in the light of the available historical evidence. But it is not for me to form, still less to express, a judgement about what happened. That is a task for historians. It is important that those reading this judgment should bear well in mind the distinction between my judicial role in resolving the issues arising between these parties and the role of the historian seeking to provide an accurate narrative of past events.

And thus claiming that it isn't his part to actually make judgments about the weight of historical evidence.

>>2799194
>mfw Irving isn't even a real historian

>After completing A levels at Brentwood School, Irving briefly studied physics at Imperial College London. He never graduated, due to financial limitations.[10][15]

>Irving later studied for two years toward a degree in political economy at University College London,[16] However, he again had to drop out due to lack of funds.[17] During this period at university, he participated in a debate on Commonwealth immigration, seconding British Union of Fascists founder Sir Oswald Mosley, and was heckled.[18]
It's pretty surreal. I always though he is a historian.

>>2799174
>How can you people be so fucking stupid?

Said the man using World Almach as proof that holocaust didn't happened...

>>2799174
The actual, solid evidence presented. Travel documents showing people going to camps but not leaving. Demographic evidence showing the Jews of Europe just disappearing. The stuff you won't look at. Things like actual gas chambers, for which, yes, there is evidence.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_2250.html

>>2799184
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Rodoh_Hans/media/Gasdoors_6Oct42.png.html
>We need gas-tight doors in these camps

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_3293.html
Gas chambers.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_5940.html
Mass graves

Bear in mind, this is just Sobibor and Treblinka. But you can start with that.

>>2799174
I like how World Almanac from 1950 isn't listed. Possibly because it actually shows a drop of 4.5-5 million.
Oh right, it's a conspiracy.

>it's an "I demand evidence but every piece of evidence is faked" episode

If Hitler hated the Jews, why kill them? Then they'd win.

Plus who would he have left to hate.

Checkmate, holohoaxers.

Is it considered holocaust denial if you think the holocaust happened, the camps existed and people were gassed and cremated, but you just think the number given for victims is wrong?

>>2799211
>Chemicals evaporate only at their boiling point
>Walls of gas chamber did not contained (CN)-
>B.A. Renk: 0 results on google
>Manufacture of soaps is discredited
And those are only the fucking obvious one

Wait, you are even more retarded. How is that possible?

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>>2799211
You're the one that has to prove that the Holocaust happened, dummie.

>>2799228
You're a lost cause, schlomo. You keep picking your info from this ridiculous that's so obviously Jewish... I won't even bother to read that shit you psoted again.

>>2799260
Nothing happened. They were just slave labor at most. Way more Europeans died than Jews, but somehow the Jews are special.

>>2799260
>but you just think the number given for victims is wrong?
It depends. It's okay if you think that the Nazi regime killed some 4-6 million Jews. It's not okay if you think that they killed 300,000 and most of them died of typhus.

>>2799282
>nothing happened
m8 it's pretty obvious something happened

>>2799204

One needs a degree to be a historian?

I guess Gates and Zuckerberg aren't engineers.

>>2799287
Yes, slave labor happened. Some were probably killed, but NOTHING on the scale of what's thrown around.

ITT: (((/his/torians))) get BTFO by /pol/acks with hard facts and statistics.

I can't wait until Mods delete this thread so people can't see

>arguing with holocaust deniers
What's the point? They are like some religious cult. It's like discussing with flat earthers.

Why is the average /his/torian so eager to take obvious bait?

>>2799294
Literally not an argument.

This is why everytime there is a holocaust thread, Holohoax believers get absolutely shit on

>>2799290
If you present yourself as a historian then you need a degree.

>>2799282
>it's an "everyone that doesn't adhere to my neonazi propaganda is a jew" episode
>it's an "I've never dealt with primary evidence" episode
>it's an "you have to prove the holocaust but I arbitrarily discard all the evidence I dislike" episode

>>2799301
Most of this thread is people debunking holocaust deniers' lies.

>>2799285
Out of curiosity what's the cutoff point for what it's ok to think was te death toll? Because a gap of 2 million is pretty big.

From what I've read four million is probably a good estimate, but most of the deaths occurred towards the end and a large percentage were due to disease (including typhus) and starvation. Why would that matter to you?

>>2799293
>this is what stormniggers actually believe

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>>2799294
I can say the same for you. Nobody here has presented any proof that the Holocaust happened. Just opinions, feelings and circumstantial (((evidence))).

You guys are stupid it's not even funny. Believing that a genocide of this massive, massive scale wouldn't leave practically anything except some quotes from a random Jewish (((witnesses))

>>2799307
Mate, isn't your job to prove something happened before I try to disaprove it? Absolutely nothing was offered here except attacks on my character "LE THIS STORMFAG, /POL/ACK HOLOCAUST DENIER IS SO STUPID".

Apart from that I haven't heard any sound arguments.

>>2799294
>It's like discussing with flat earthers.
It might literally be flat earthers. Conspiracy theorists tend to believe in multiple conspiracy and/or fringe theories at once.

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/crazy_beliefs_sane_believers_toward_a_cognitive_psychology_of_conspiracy_id

>>2799318
>I can say the same for you.

no you cant considering you shill lies and made up false historical claims

>>2799318
But that's wrong. Evidence was presented. You discarded it because you accused the site of being jewish. Try again.

>>2799302

Why? He clearly knows the literature well. He has produced some of the most influential work regarding Dresden. He works as a historian and has a accomplished much more than most with a degree. The gatekeeping is stupid.

>>2798953

>photo was literally found in an Einsatzgrouppens personal photograph book

>I-ITS DA RUSSIANS! LOOK AT ALL THIS BULLSHIT I MADE UP TO TRY AND IDENTIFY THEIR UNIFORMS!

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>>2799331
How ironic is this post. You've perfectly described yourself while trying to describe me. Congratulations.

>>2799334
So I guess a bunch of materials are evidence of the Holocaust now because that's all you've presented.

>>2799346
>He has produced some of the most influential work regarding Dresden.
Which has been utterly crushed upon closer inspection of his shoddy methodology and no one takes serious anymore.

>>2799346
>He has produced some of the most influential work regarding Dresden.
He lied in his book. He manipulated facts. It was all proven during his trial.

>>2799346
>According to Richard J. Evans at the 2000 libel trial that Irving brought against Deborah Lipstadt, Irving based his estimates of the dead of Dresden on the word of one individual who provided no supporting documentation, used forged documents, and described one witness who was a urologist as Dresden's Deputy Chief Medical Officer. The doctor since complained about being misidentified by Irving, and further, was only reporting rumours about the death toll.
>Irving had based his numbers on what purported to be "TB 47", a document promulgated by Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and on claims made after the war by a former Dresden Nazi functionary, Hans Voigt, without verifying them against official sources available in Dresden. Irving's estimates and sources were first disputed by Walter Weidauer, Mayor of Dresden 1946–1958, in his own account of the Dresden bombing. When it was later confirmed that the TB 47 used was a forgery, Irving published a letter to the editor in The Times on 7 July 1966 retracting his estimates, writing that he had "no interest in promoting or perpetuating false legends".

>>2799346

Hes a neo-nazi who shills his own version of "history" in order to further his political ideals, thus discrediting him entirely as a historian

""Not one of [Irving's] books, speeches or articles, not one paragraph, not one sentence in any of them, can be taken on trust as an accurate representation of its historical subject. All of them are completely worthless as history, because Irving cannot be trusted anywhere, in any of them, to give a reliable account of what he is talking or writing about. ... if we mean by historian someone who is concerned to discover the truth about the past, and to give as accurate a representation of it as possible, then Irving is not a historian"-Richad J. Evans (an actual historian who is considered the leading expert on the Third Reich)

Just a reminder that literally NO historian agrees with any silly stormfag nonsense

>>2799282
>dummie

Man, you literally suggested that substances do not evaporate below boiling point and you used pre-revision World almanach as a source on Jewish pop. How can you be such a fool and yet have the total lack of self awareness to insult others?

>>2799346
>He has produced some of the most influential work regarding Dresden
ahahahahahahaha

>Dresden killed somewhere between 130-250,000 people
>Nevermind that the city's own services estimated it at about 25,000 people
>Nevermind that Operation Gomorrah only killed a bout 65-70,000 people despite being hit harder and more people living there.

>>2799322

I hardly see how it is more of a conspiracy theory to think that the operations of the death camps that fell behind the iron curtain have been exaggerated than to think that the Nazi high command was a secret cabal where every command was communicated in subtext so that Hitler could never be directly indicted.

>>2799351

>LOOK AT THIS IRRELEVANT NONSENSE I CHERRY PICKED AND THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT!

You are a really stupid person who thinks he is intelligent.

>>2799097

Nazi occupied Western Europe was not annexed, Poland was annexed and the Polish government ceased to exist.

If Germany built a death camp in France, they would have to collaborate with Vichy France, and as shitty people Vichy France is, they aren't going to approve death camps for French citizens on French soil. For the Nazis to build death camps and kill millions of people in them, the state that formerly controlled that land has to collapse first.

For more details you can read Bloodlands by Tim Snyder.

>>2799351
Yes, "materials" (documentation/forensic studies/testimonies/confessions/demographic variations etc.) are evidence. Also, the situation described in your pic happened during right wing dictatorships in south america too. Yes, there's people that sociopathic.

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>>2799282
>Nothing happened.

>>2799311
It's always like this with genocides and war crimes. 2 million isn't even such a big gap. Just look at estimates of people killed by the Soviets. They range from 8 million to 100 million.

>>2799366

Well considering how it would be career suicide to even voice doubt, I wonder why no Historians agree with Irving. It must be their exclusive interest in academic ideals right? None have ever feared retribution or reprisal I'm sure.

>>2799379
Well, the others might be the kind of irrelevant nonsense that you are bound to get related to an event that involves millions of people, but that one is plausible. In any case, he's a retard.

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>>2799367
Uhuh, so are you meaning to tell me those sources aren't to your liking?

>>2799379
I am. You're just dumb as fuck. These images are meant to make fun of people like you, actually. And you obviously do care about them considering how triggered you are at the moment.

>>2799367

>>2799387
No doubt. The Nazis probably eat their corpses too.

>>2799394
>pictures of German civilians killed by Jewish Bolsheviks
>AYO DIS WUZ NAZIS DAT DID DIS

>>2799405

(you)

>>2799394

No one is disputing peopled died. The question is did the Nazis gas them en masse or did they die as a result of starvation, typhus, and summary execution.

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>>2799400

>they really all agree with me, but are just scared to say so!

No they arent. You are just a very stupid person who believes in a very stupid internet conspiracy theory. Imagine believing in something SO retarded that you cant even make an appeal to authority because you have no authority figures to appeal to

>>2799318
I find it pretty weird that people don't believe some of these accounts. People can be extremely sadistic. Tortures, violent rapes, brutal murders were common in every war. Even Americans today tortured people in Guantanamo Bay.

>>2799411
The Nazis didn't mean to kill them. Why would they build them a swimming pool and have a personal soccer team?

Auschwitz was like disney land, it was a nice building created to intern the Jewish criminals for their deportation. It'a a shame allies bombed the food supplies, and caused all that unnecessary death

>>2799411
>The question is did the Nazis gas them en masse or did they die as a result of starvation, typhus, and summary execution.

both you retard.

>>2799400
>b-b-but there are thousands of imaginary oppressed stormfag historians out there

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>>2799423
>Auschwitz was like disney land

>>2799404
>Uhuh, so are you meaning to tell me those sources aren't to your liking?
Well, I don't like lies, so yes.

>>2799400
I find it funny how you're en passant revealing your utterly naive conception of how historical research works.

>>2799424
And you know this, how?

>>2799423
>The Nazis didn't mean to kill them.

yes they did.

>Why would they build them a swimming pool and have a personal soccer team?


because the soccer team was British POWs and not "subhuman" slaves in their concentration camps. Thanks for proving how clueless deniers are once again btw.

>Auschwitz was like disney land

ok, now youre just trolling

The Holocaust most certainly happened.

However, people who deny the holocaust aren't completely wrong. They have intuitive beliefs that do have a solid basis in reality, but they've taken those beliefs and have exaggerated them to the extreme.

Are there jews that abuse the holocaust as a means for furthering their political agendas? Of course. Deniers understand that using a tragedy for political means is terrible, but then they take that information and assume that the whole thing was fake. Going to such an extreme actually hurts anyone who wants to talk about the actual core issue (abuse of holocaust remembrance) because now that issue is associated with holocaust denial.

This trend of accusing a tragedy of being fake because it is being abused for political means is fairly common. Prime Example: Bush did 9/11 memes.

This is just unbased conjecture but I believe it may be some sort of subconscious attempt to make terrible instances feel as if they were all part of some well organized plan rather than accepting the tragic chaos of life. Although their claims may seem to portray a more sinister world on the surface (one where governments enact huge secret plots to trick the people), the reality is actually much darker (Evil people cause tragic incidents that kill innocents AND people abuse those incidents to trick the people).

>>2799442
Not him, but I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Admittedly, it's hard to tell people lampooning stormfag beliefs from actual stormfag beliefs.

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>>2799423
You're absolutely right. Those polite Nazis even organized all their glasses and wedding rings. How polite of them, they just put everyones wedding rings together so when the internment was over they could all grab them.

>>2799441

hey dumb dick, how do you know that there are all these historians who secretly agree with you in the first place. YOU are the one who made that claim without any proof, and now you are trying to somehow spin it all back to me to prove your own retarded claim? Seriously, how stupid of a person are you?

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>>2799422
Because that particular quote was EXTREMELY ridiculous. "My hair turned grey overnight. Yeah, this definitely isn't Leland from Twin Peaks.

>>2799435
Then why are you constantly lying?

>>2799448

Go to any prison in the world. Your belongings will be taken, your clothes will be taken, and your head will be shaven. Nothing of that sort proves mass-murder.

>>2799472
>Then why are you constantly lying?

says the guy who still peddles neo-nazi lies that have been exposed since the 70s?

Also, how clueless are you to think people lying about being part of a historical event means the event in question never happened? Especially when its no one really important to the even in terms of historical understanding and usually just someone trying to get a book deal or fame or whatever else? Even though this isnt even exclusive to the holocaust

according to your own retarded logic, this is proof that the Iraq/Afghanistan wars never even happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Na30aFi9iU

>>2799472
>Then why are you constantly lying?
Where did I lied. And why are you dancing around?

Answer the following: Why did you accepted this >>2799174, as truth, when even high-school knowledge of physics and chemistry would be enough to point out the obvious lies? Why are you such a guillible fool?

>>2799496
Even your glasses, teeth and prosthetic devices?

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>>2799496
This. It's not like anyone's denying there were slave camps. We're talking about mass genocide here of which there is no single shred of evidence except some quotes from Goldensteins.

>>2799499
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm just asking you guys instead of calling me an idiot and a stormfag, to try and prove the Holocaust which you are unable to do. You have done neither.

>>2799503
Prove it. You haven't said anything of note.

>>2796962
So the holocaust is real ?
the nazis were actually the bad guys?

>>2799496
And then, instead of assembling them by person for their eventual return on release, they'll put all of the items of the same type together in a gigantic collection so they can do something or other. They'll also collect the hair instead of just throwing it away. Don't forget that you will have continual imprisonment into the prison despite the fact that the only way you'd stay within the size the facilities can accommodate is if you kill off the entire camp population roughly every 3 weeks.

>>2799472
You know, we have a lot of eyewitness accounts from 1945. Most of these ridiculous claims came from old people who don't remember everything clearly. A lot of these books were written 20-40 years after WW2.

>>2799512
>Prove it. You haven't said anything of note.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

>>2799174
>3rd article; 7th paragraph; The boiling poing...
>Literally suggesting chemicals don't evaporate below boiling point
>Literally the definition taught by bad teachers at elementary schools

Why are you such a guillible fool?

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Alright Im gonna be honest, I'm a nationalist socialist. I don't deny that jews were killed during the holocaust but I really dont think theres enough evidence to prove they were all burned in ovens. And i'm still on the fence on whether they were gassed.

>>2799512
>except some quotes from Goldensteins
Stupid fucks like you should be banned. This is fucking infuriating. You have people posting German reports, memos, Nazi diaries and all kinds of documents and yet you ignore them all. This is fucking shitposting. You are not here to discuss holocaust.

>>2799512
What would constitute evidence to you?

>>2799512
>What the fuck are you talking about?

Im very clearly pointing out how idiotic your argument is. Stop playing dumb.


> I'm just asking you guys instead of calling me an idiot and a stormfag

we did. The problem is you are a very stupid person who is basically in a cult. Again, how does breeding rabbits for fur mean the holocaust never happened? What sort of dumbass logic did you follow to come to that conclusion? That soccer team is British POWs, not jewish inmates. All that other shit has already been exposed in this thread. So you clearly have no intention of learning and are just desperately throwing your shit at the wall in the hopes it sticks.

When you stormfags come here and shill this shit, you are basically creationist going onto /sci/ and trying to shill that. Thats what you are, silly little weirdos and not, on any level, historians or equals.

>>2799531
There were no gas chambers in Buchenwald. There was one gas chamber in Auschwitz I, but it stopped operating in 1942. Most gas chambers were built in Birkenau. It's entirely possible to be a prisoner at Auschwitz and not see gas chambers.
Birkenau lies 2 or 3 kilometers from Auschwitz.

Or maybe this whole article is a lie. It's impossible to tell.

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I'm done. Arguing with you people is so fucking pointless, I'm too tired to even try anymore. Continue to live in your fairy land.

Don't forget the 6 trillion Jews that died, though.

>>2799563
Posting retarded infopics is pointless, we all agree.

>>2796962
>holocaust denial

The fact that this term exists is proof the Jews are full of shit. Why isn't there slavery denial? Simply because there's too much evidence to be able to doubt it. Not true in the case of the "Holocaust"

>>2799571
I've seen you literally post the exact same shit on another thread and get refuted to oblivion, why would you post the exact same shit? Not to mention it's logically completely retarded.

>>2799532
>You are not here to discuss holocaust.
How can someone discuss something that never happened?

>>2799531

About a third to half of the deaths from the Holocaust happened outside the camps. Jews were killed by passing Einsatzgruppen and so on. To say they were all burned in overs is also a denier lie tactic, there is tons of photographic and anecdotal evidence that points to Nazis simply burning the corpses in massive piles outside.

>>2799571
This. Not to mention the fact that in most of the developed world denying or even questioning the official narrative whatsoever will get you arrested.

It's sad people are being persecuted just for attempting to seek out the truth. The truth fears no investigation.

>>2799563
Wait, you actually thought posting a bunch of image macros constitutes arguing?

I thought you were just shitposting.

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>>2799558
jews never lie

>>2799571
There actually is a lot of Slavery denial.

There are thousands of African-Americans who believe the Transatlantic Slave Trade is a white supremacist myth to dehumanize Black Americans. They also believe the "Natives" you see today are actually fake tribes made up of Chinese immigrants with Europeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRHy8UqmTY

Just type into Youtube "African Americans aren't African" to find hundreds of videos with 50,000 views or more filled with comments of people who believe themselves to be the true indigenous people of America.

>>2799571
>>2799582

Thats because you are low IQ people who are essentially members of a cult.

>people think the holocaust didnt happen, so this is proof that it didnt happen

This is something only a very stupid person would believe makes logical sense.

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>>2799588

oh look, ANOTHER stormfag lie!

>>2799600
Typical liberal. Maybe you're the stupid one, the low IQ one and the member of a cult? Maybe you're the one projecting yourself onto others. Ever think about that?

>>2799602
Nice source, my friend! Keep punching those icky nazis lol

>>2799571
>The fact that I deny the Holocaust is proof that the Holocaust is a myth

>>2799612
Not him but pretty sure the low IQ person is the one that made the stupidest """logical""" deduction I've ever seen.

>>2799623
And which deduction is that?

>>2799600
Good try, you almost got me, but I can easily refute you, anon. I just have to question your existence, making you magically vanish. Therefore your argument ceases to exist too. Another victory for natsoc!

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>>2799582
>in most of the developed world denying or even questioning the official narrative whatsoever will get you arrested.
Another Stormfag lie. You are free to deny the Holocaust in the entire English-speaking world, every country in the Western Hemisphere except Portugal, all of Scandinavia, and every developed country in Asia aside from Israel and Russia if you considered it "developed."

Interestingly enough, of all the countries where the "Jewish influence" is strong enough to ban Holocaust denial, Jews only have a large population in three of them: France, Russia, and Israel.

>>2799631
You will get there if you follow the chain of quotes. Try to get there by yourself, it might help you train for the special olympics.

>>2799639
In fact, even in Europe, Holocaust denial is legal in the majority of countries. There are only 17 countries in the world where Holocaust denial is illegal.

>>2799631
>The fact that I deny the Holocaust is proof that it didn't happen

>>2799658
Never said that. That was another Anon. Now, about those special olympics that you were talking about...

>>2799595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBrber2kzGU

Just look at this. A Native American calling out black folk for stealing his culture. It's hilarious

>>2799600
Literally not an argument

>>2799600
>MUHH IQ

Damn you showed them.

good thread

>>2799602
You're the revisionist, everyone knows about the Jewish Boycott of German goods in 1933.
>But there was no Judea!
So what? The author is clearly just lumping the Jews together, he could have said The Jews, The Israelites or any other name.
>The British Jews didn't support a boycott
The ones who matter, the American Jews, did.
Now who would be trying to disingenuously diminish the role of Jews as instigators?

>>2799421
A tortured man's "confession" doesn't count for much.

>>2800114
Exactly. Jews are the reason Hitler felt the way he did. They brought everything that happened to them on themselves.

>>2799639
Holocaust denial per se isn't even a crime in Germany, contrary to what your map says, because it's the incitement of hate or violence that comes with it that is actually sanctioned, not the mere denial.

Academic research especially has much higher barriers for §130 III StGB to apply.

>>2799123
>Implying jewish forgery isn't common with their fetishized holohoax
https://youtu.be/AavzatcCUEU

I'm genuinely curious - you people that think the Holocaust is faked: what was the goal of that? Why do a conspiracy of such a scale?
I'm trying to be open-minded, so I take into consideration each side, but I just can't wrap my mind around this.

>>2801274
Basically, neo-nazis are trying to revive the Nazi ideology and the holocaust is politically inconvenient towards that goal so they are trying to make it become accepted that it didn't happen.

This leads to a contradiction, Neo-Nazis hate Jews and want them to be exterminated, praise Hitler for trying to kill them all and deny the biggest success towards the goal of genocide towards the Jews.

I suspect that many Neo-Nazis are aware that the holocaust happened but deny it until they can get people to celebrate it. Though the vast majority probably find no problem with the aforementioned paradox. Double Think as Orwell called it.

>>2801474
It's not a paradox, you yourself gave a good explanation - the holocaust is politically inconvenient towards so they are trying to make it become accepted that it didn't happen.

>>2799119
Hans couldn't even be arsed to suck in his gut a little to try and hide, eh?

>>2801572
The paradox is where neo-nazis will praise Hitler for trying to kill all the Jews while denying the holocaust. Some neo-nazis are aware of this paradox but will pretend that the holocaust didn't happen because it is politically inconvenient towards the revival of national socialism, others do not have the self-awareness to realize that they are holding two conflicting beliefs.

>>2801588
Has it occurred to you that maybe certain people who deny holocaust aren't neo-nazi? It's not logically contradicting or anything. Surely there are those who fit your description, but I am of thought that there is a possibility not everyone who denies holocaust is like that.
As for the paradox, I agree, because it would be logical that Hitler would use every possible method to exterminate as many of the Jews as he can.

>>2801602
I don't think people who don't hate Jews deny the holocaust. Someone might think that there are worse atrocities (and they might be right) or criticize the use of it to defend other villainous actions but they won't try to claim that it didn't happen. They have little reason to.

>>2801631
Whatever the reason, I am sure there exist people which do not hate the jews, but do denounce the holocaust, it's not contradictory. Hard for you to picture probably, but I'm sure it's true. What I wonder is how these people came to think that. It's easy to write everyone who you disagree with as an obvious stupid person (not accusing you of this), but I know that it looked logical for some, and for (to them) good reasons.