Was Soviet Union a Russian empire?

>>2789146
About as much of Russian empire as USA is (or was at this point) anglo-saxon empire.

>>2789146
Maybe Stalin era USSR, but before Stalin it was more like Jewish empire.

>>2789146

Yes, it absolutely was. Look at how the economies of the other members of the Warsaw Pact were designed to supply Russia with goods and resources, to the great impoverishment of the non-Russian republics.

>>2789146
>far-left Russian empire
burger education

>>2789228
A communist Russian empire?

>>2789227
Yeah, it is pretty evident that Russians got best part of cake, anywhere and anytime.

Was Russian culture enforced upon non-Russians?

As a ex-Soviet I am biased.
It practically was.
All the smaller republics received major Russian minorities that acted as both parts of the Elite and the working class.
Latvia went from being 80% Latvian in 1935 to 52% in 1989, As the ~1,5m locals were supplemented by nearly 700k Russians and 300k other nationalities. Half the schools were in Russian and they had a different program with only having 11 grades instead of 12 which meant you got faster into higher education if you opted for Russian system.
Smaller republics supplied RSFSR. Local industry here was geared towards supplying military. Once the union fell it folded because our region was unable to support such a heavy industry.
Millitary received its orders from Moscow, Republics had little say in those affairs.

>>2789146
Russian nationalism was suppressed and the leadership included many non-Russians. Russia itself was also net drained by the Union to subsidize the shittiest parts like western Ukraine. I'd say no.

>>2789237
>Was Russian culture enforced upon non-Russians?

Only in East Germany, elsewhere Soviet History was pushed which was heavy on Russian stuff (obviously) but aside from that most education and cultural affairs remained under the control of the subject republics and wasn't micromanaged from Moscow.

>>2789282
East Germany wasn't a part of the USSR. Within the USSR russification was heavy as fuck.

>>2789187

I know this is meant to be a cute political commentary but way too many of you stormcloaks actually believe this

several jewish people working at the top, literally in name only, in a country largely composed of slavic christians and mongols, does not a jewish empire make

>>2789241
If your actually an ex Soviet I would love to hear what else life was like

>>2789312
>several jewish people working at the top, literally in name only, in a country largely composed of slavic christians and mongols, does not a jewish empire make
OK, then by your logic British empire was actually the Indian empire since Brits were only at the top and a vast majority of subjects were Indians/Pakis.

>>2789318
I sort of want to go to bed, and I am not a real ex-soviet, I should have said
>from ex-soviet country here
There is not much new I could tell you that you probably have not heard already.
>Massive lines for everything
>shops half empty
>workers paid more then doctors
>widespread blats("You get a new radio from factory and I will put aside some good wines for you")
>Supression of local culture and symbols for the Soviet ideology
>Immigrants from the darker republics
>You can earn 4 times the money if you go work in the Eastern parts
>Not much you can buy with that money, though
>School teachers snitching on 2nd graders for giggling during the Soviet anthem(Happened to my dad)
From my experience women seem to hold more fonder memories of the Union than men do.
No one sugar coats it though.

>>2789187
>it was more like Jewish empire

This. The Bolsheviks were 80-85% Jewish. It was quite literally a bunch of goyim ruled over by Jews.

>>2789345
>a vast majority of subjects were Indians/Pakis.

lol in india maybe and only for a little bit

If the ethnicities of the head guys in charge are the only determinant factor of an empire's name - literally just the ethnicity IF THAT (i bet you jump on Israel threads every day to say the genetics aren't there) and not the ideologies - then we've got some re-evaluating to do

>>2789413
look at that, another biter.
/his/ memes, more important than history.

>>2789146
Yes and Stalin is the greatest Czar

>>2789448
Why do you assume we're memeing? At least I'm being 100% serious. We call Portuguese empire Portuguese even though most subjects were not ethnically Portuguese, the same with British empire, the same with Roman empire, the same with Mongol or Timurid empire, empires are always named for its rulers and not for the majority of subjects. Hence it's completely fair to call early USSR Jewish.

>>2789466

Fine. But Stalin wasn't Jewish, nor were a majority of the leaders after Lenin.

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>>2789413
Glad to see /his/ waking up.

>>2789466
>empires are always named for its rulers

And for the dominant culture.
Soviet Russia wasn't about bagels and lox, klezmer and menorahs.

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>>2789146
>far-left
>empire

>>2789484
>And for the dominant culture.
Incorrect. Avar Khaganate had an overwhelming Slavic majority and Slavic language was a lingua franca of Avar lands. But we still call it "Avar" simply because there was an Avar ruling class. The same with Khazars for example. In the old days countries were not named only for the ethnicity, but downright for the ruling FAMILY (Habsburg monarchy, Umayyad Caliphate, Ottoman empire, Sassanid empire, etc)

Depends on what you mean by "empire." If by empire, you mean a nation that conquers other nations and incorporates the conquered nation into it's territory, then no, the Soviet Union was not an empire. If by empire you mean nation that meddles in the affairs of other nations, then yes, the Soviet Union was an empire.

>>2789498
Granted. However as a layman I am still skeptical.

The first empires I think of - Roman, Byzantine, German, British, "American" - I think of the widespread iconography, language, some of the foods, etc.
When I think of Hitler, I don't think of Austria. He was a German leader. Though, not quite "emperor".

Furthermore, I still have trouble digesting the notion of a Jewish "ruling class" outside of the several bolshevik leaders who I cannot name, drawn in as outsiders more than anything, by the fact that Soviets rejected concepts like the importance of ethnicity.

And if the Soviets themselves rejected it, I don't see why we would go on calling their empire a Russian one, a Jewish one, or anything, but a Soviet one.

>>2789561
>nation that conquers other nations and incorporates the conquered nation into it's territory
That's literally what the USSR did, though. They went around and annexed other countries on the regular.

>>2789565
Austrians are ethnically German though, the name literally just means Eastern (German) Realm and the only reason they're even a country of their own is because of Habsburg/Hohenzollern rivalry.

>>2789565
>language
Most of Roman empire didn't speak Latin and most of Mongol empire didn't speak Mongolian.

>>2789241
What about the larger republics? Still a lot of Russians in Central Asia.

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>>2789413
>>2789466

>On the eve of the February Revolution in 1917, of about 23,000 members of the Bolshevik party 364 (about 1.6%) were known to be ethnic Jews.[14] According to the 1922 Bolshevik party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total, and in the 1920s of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews. Herf 2008, p. 96.

Vladimir Lenin, Vladimir Mayakovsky, Anastas Mikoyan, Vyacheslav Molotov, Sergo Ordzhonikidze, Pavel Postyshev, Nikolai Bukharin, Georgy Pyatakov, Joseph Stalin, Kliment Voroshilov, Yevgeny Zamyatin, Alexandra Kollontai, Stanislav Kosior, Nadezhda Krupskaya, Alexei Rykov, Timofei Sapronov, Elena Stasova, Andrei Zhdanov, Ivan Skvortsov-Stepanov,Vladimir Bonch-Bruyevich, Alexander Shliapnikov, Pavel Dybenko, Nikolai Gorbunov, Georgy Chicherin, Sergey Kirov, Béla Kun, Alexander Yegorov, Vasily Blyukher, Semyon Budyonny,Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Semyon Timoshenko, Boris Shaposhnikov, Grigory Kulik :

None of them Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bolshevik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_People%27s_Commissars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal_of_the_Soviet_Union


Why do /pol/tards lie so much?
What higher interests could they have?

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>>2789604

>>2789612

Post actual sources cited on page faggot,not from a neo-nazi you plucked it out of.

Contrary to you I gave you a list of higher Soviet functionaries all belonging to the administration of the central government.

>>2789624
>neo-nazi
Aaaand the debate is over.

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>>2789604
>wikipedia

what are you doing anon? It's not like the jew thing is some sort of hidden info, only in the west maybe but in russia most people knwo this shit, my mom redpilled me on this shit, who got redpilled by her parents etc. (russian here who's family had left russia)

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>>2789629
Another Eastern Euro here although not Russian, the communist-jew connection is extremely known where I come from because our ancestors actually lived through that shit. Not just in Russia but in Hungary for example there was a bolshevik revolution right after WW1 started by Bela Kohn, a Transylvanian jew.

>>2789581

They were still defined by the iconography
I couldn't tell you shit about the ruling classes, i just know about Roman statues, pastimes, and Mongolian horses.

Wouldn't we call the Roman empire an Italian empire if it was about ethnicity?
I give you that we could, but only in the same sense that it's a "Latin" empire.
Both of these names are supplementary and only exist to draw focus to one key area, perhaps make a commentary about it.

To call the Soviet Empire a Jewish Empire or even *the* Jewish empire screams unfair to me for this reason. There's hardly anything Jewish about it, and what's more is that such a statement could only lead to an unfair commentary on the Jews as being inherently subversive.

>>2789669
>Wouldn't we call the Roman empire an Italian empire if it was about ethnicity?
Probably because Romans/Latins predate Italian ethnogenesis? It would be anachronism.

>There's hardly anything Jewish about it
For one, it followed a Jewish ideology (Marxist socialism).

>>2789666
igen, checked baszdmeg

>>2789684
To call Marxist Socialism a "jewish ideology" follows the same flawed reasoning we're debating here.

>>2789698
Calling Marxism non-Jewish would be like calling Platonism non-Greek. It doesn't make any sense.

>>2789711
And the answer is that it was not.

>>2789625

I'm guessing you are too btfo to reply.


>>2789629

So your anecdotal evidence of living in an a Capitalist oligarch ruled shithole where Jews are blamed for the Soviet union trumps empirical evidence?

Good to know.


Also, quite ironic that you post a small brained reaction image, since you are too dumb to know Wikipedia posts the ethnic backgrounds of the people I have posted.


Also have some more non-jewish early Soviet ministers and functionaries:

Olof Aschberg, Yakov Ganetsky,Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, Alexander Bogdanov, Iosif Adamovich, Sultan Majid Afandiyev, Konstantin Akashev, Zigmas Angarietis, Jaan Anvelt, Inessa Armand, Aleksandra Artyukhina, Georgi Atarbekov, Varlam Avanesov, Ivan Babushkin, Aleksei Badayev, Vladimir Bazarov, Demyan Bedny, Lavrentiy Beria, Reinholds Bērziņš, Stanisław Bobiński
, Vladimir Bobrovsky, Gleb Ivanovich Bokii, Yevgenia Bosch, Mikhail Brusnev, Nikolai Bryukhanov, Nikolai Bulganin, Vasily Chapayev, Alexander Chervyakov, Vlas Chubar, Demyan Bedny

>>2789725
Non-Russian shouldn't really be allowed to hold an opinion on Russia. It's like a football player trying to comment on hockey strategy.

>>2789735
>People shouldn't have opinions on foreign nations

Shame we don't have retard of the day awards, pidor.

>>2789725

And a shitload more actually, if anyone wants to see how debunked the nazi conspiracy is that was devised as a realpolitik casus beli for their genocidal colonial war plan known as Generalplan Ost, he only but has to see how many of these people were or were not jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_Bolsheviks

>>2789735

No wonder your country is so shit.

Its populated by retards like you.

Soviet Union was the best that ever happened to your god forsaken land of retardation.

>>2789758
And the jew outs himself

>>2789758
>Soviet Union was the best that ever happened
The best thing that ever happened to Russia was a regime that caused 5 consecutive famines in a span of 20 years?

>>2789763

>"I called him a jew, that will show him"

>>2789771

There were only two actual famines , one was the Russian Civil War famine, caused by White Russian mercenaries who plunged the country into civil strife, and the other is forced collectivization famine, directly caused by seditionary Kulaks.

>>2789720
But the strange thing about Jewishness is that it's simultaneously tied to a religion which has nothing to do with the ideology. It's not a useful name.

Why is it that the only people who want to call Marxism a "jewish ideology" simultaneously seek to label jews global conspirators and wish harm upon them?
Perhaps people feel safer discussing Platonism as Greek Philosophy as its founders lived in the Greek Empire (there's that confounded naming convention again), which is not quite so dangerously vilified as a certain minority population.

>>2789801
But you are one. It's a shame Alexander III didn't slaughter your kind down to the last child.

>>2789758
>b-b-but wikipedia says you're just a racist
>debunked
>soviet union was the best that ever happened

You're actually retarded.

>>2789801

herp-a-dee-derp

You're worse than a Jew. You're a commie apologist.

>>2789818

"Losing the debate? I'l keep calling him Jew"

>>2789820
>>2789822

It actually was.

And to answer OP, yes the Soviet Union was an empire, because all socialism is expansionist, since that is its goal. The greatness of Russia only came through the national idea of Bolshevism.

>>2789604
>Vladimir Lenin
>Not a Jew

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>2789886
You're telling me that a regime that starved millions of Russian and Ukrainian children to death, banned the Orthodox church, exiled the intelligentsia, the aristocracy and the clergy (read: lowered the collective IQ of the nation by 20 points), completely shat on Russian culture, criminalized anti-semitism, ceded a large chunk of territory to the enemy and generally served nobody's interests other than jews and their Kraut partners-in-crime, was somehow the best thing to ever happen to Russia? The fucking audacity of this nigger.

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>>2789604
>Jeffrey Herf
I'm in tears

>>2789282
lol wat?


>>2789288
this.

>>2789187
>jewish empire

FVCKIN stormfags get off my board!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2789947
This is not your board.

>>2789886
You're fucking discussing. (Russian here). Thank fuck my family fled at the right time, before your kind burnt the family records, the old writings, traces of northern culture, the churches, killed the priests, and systematically got rid of the descendants of the Rus. Fuck the bolsheviks, fuck communism, fuck the jews, fuck the capitalists of today, fuck the international ruling elite, fuck modern culture, fuck all of it and fuck you. This isn't what my ancestors died for.

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>>2789146
If by Empire, you mean "Strong Centralization over a multiethnic/cultural periphery," then yes, I suppose it was, considering that Center was Ethnic Russia based around Moscow.

In addition by making the "overall" culture Russified (i.e. Russian as a Lingua Franca), I suppose we can call it a Russian empire.

>I have been seeing this remark on his and internet more and more lately.
Friend, Historians have been discussing USSR as Ruskie Empire 2.0 ever since the early days of the Cold War.

>>2789947
>mentions the word "jew"
>fucking stormfags neo nazis omg
Read the fucking thread, anyone who has family that lived in those times is aware of this shit. This is only a secret in the "west".

>>2789187
>it was more like Jewish empire.
Not at all. They were atheists.

>>2790006
>le jew means judaism maymay

>>2789612
The reason Jews joined the Bolsheviks was because they were one of the only political movements that offered an alternative to the state-sponsored antisemitic pogroms of Tsarist Russia.

However, the assertion that the USSR was a Jewish Empire or some sort is absurd. In the 1930s Stalin deliberately suppressed information about Lenin's Jewish heritage from the public, and in the 1950s launched an antisemitic purge. Ana Pauker was one such victim, who was imprisoned for appearing too content with the establishment of the state of Israel. Antisemitism was also used as an attempt to gain support for the new communist regimes of several Eastern bloc countries (e.g. Czechoslovakia, Poland) by the Kremlin.

>>2790009
>Ana Pauker was one such victim, who was imprisoned for appearing too content with the establishment of the state of Israel.
Curiously asspull interpretation considering Stalin himself vouched for the establishment of Israel and the USSR voted for it in the UNGA Resolution 181.

>>2789751
>Generalplan Ost
bye rddit

>>2790001
OR antisemitism is incredibly common and has been in Eastern Europe for a really long time, officially and unofficially. next you idiots will be telling me Mao was a jew also.

>>2790009
this desu.

>>2790030
>antisemitism is incredibly common and has been in Eastern Europe for a really long time
And for a good reason.

>>2789801
Were the seditious Kulaks the people who continued to forcibly collect and export grain while in an extended drought? Because I was under the impression that that was outside of their wheelhouse and was actually under the control of the politburo or more specifically Stalin and Kruschev.

>>2789980
and fuck you too

>>2790040
please, enlighten me more about this 3000 year old cabal of world-destabilizing secret masterminds who can shape the destiny of our species without ever being uncovered, proven, or even outed by one of their own.

idiot

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>>2790060
During several centuries before WW2, European jewry was almost all located in Eastern Europe, especially in Poland (paradisus iudaeorum) and later the Pale of Settlement, eastern periphery of Austria-Hungary, and around the Black Sea coast.

Meanwhile western Europe has all but kicked them the fuck out many centuries prior, so anti-semitic prejudice was less common there. But if you take a peek to the Middle Ages when they were still there, especially in Spain during reconquista and France, the jews were absolutely loathed.

Point is, all people who live around jews, end up hating their guts.

>>2790080
I'm actually with you on this, I just don't think it's because of their being secret lizard-people who control our fate

but for the sake of debate,

>what is the Umayyad Caliphate

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>>2789187
>>2789413
14% of the first USSR Central Committee (ruling body) was Jewish

see pic related

No idea where you /pol/beards get this "85%" figure from. Probably some sand nigger publication.

>>2789612
>95% of central committee

flat out lie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_12th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)

>>2789187
>Jewish empire

I'm so glad /his/ hasn't been afraid to name them lately.

>>2789904
Loads of Jews died under the Bolsheviks, and they never "Criminalized anti-semitism"

>>2790098
>control our fate
That's a strawman you built, I never said that. The common idea parroted by (((scholars))) is that jews are resented out of jealousy because of their vast power and wealth, yet in the middle ages they weren't wealthy or powerful but people still hated them. It really isn't about controlling or not controlling anything, even the poorest jew is repugnant.

>>2790106
>bolschewikipedia
Really getting tired of you. Don't you have something better to do?

>>2790016
Stalin initially supported Israel because it was socialist.

However when pan-arabism became a better tool to fuck with the western powers with he switched sides. Stalin in his old age also became senile and this led to bouts of random anti-semitism.

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>>2790125
If wikipedia triggers you so much, prove that the non-jews there were actually jewish

I'll wait

>>2790132
He didn't switch sides, it was the Israelis who did, effectively betraying Stalin and abandoning the USSR. You can make the case that the USSR from the 60s onwards wasn't a jew controlled country anymore and not coincidentally this was also the most humane and sane period in Soviet history.

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>>2789913
>>2790125

>Anything that disproves my rhetoric is Jews so I refuse to believe it!

wewlad. Keep working for that low IQ stereotype you neckbeards got

>>2790143
Jeffrey Herf is a jew.

>>2790139
How did Israel "abandon and betray the USSR" exactly.

And the least Jewish politburo was at the height of Stalinist purges and deaths, i.e. the late 30s/early 40s.

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>>2790147
omg no wai! spooky!

how does this make what he said wrong? Were his statistics wrong? Were those non-jews he mentioned actually jewish?

Prove this by all means

>>2790080
Why are the least educated/developed regions of the world always the most anti-semitic? Why are those with the most development and highest IQ's/standards of living the least? Really makes me think

>>2790150
By allying with the west during the Suez crisis and later terminating contracts with the Soviets.

>>2790164
>Why are the most jew-infested regions of the world always the most anti-semitic?
Fixed that for you.

>>2790171
Stalin was dead by then

this is /pol/-tier education

P.S., Suez would have been better off under West than some stupid sand nigger commie dictator

>>2790178
>Stalin was dead by then
Your point?

>>2790175
Virtually no Jews live in the most anti-semitic states. Most Jews live in the US, which loves Jews except for the black population. Which, curiously, is also the lowest IQ and developed.

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>>2790178
>uez would have been better off under West than some stupid sand nigger commie dictator

>>2790184
Israel couldn't have betrayed Stalin during the Suez crisis since he was dead

>>2789146
Yes. No. Depends on how you define empire.
Why do people on /his/ keep making these threads asking meaningless questions?

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>>2790189
t. ahmed

Lay off the cheeseburgers

>>2790188
>Virtually no Jews live in the most anti-semitic states.
The most anti-semitic states in the world are those bordering Israel.

>Most Jews live in the US, which loves Jews except for the black population.
All the jew lovers are from the US south, which is both dismally poor and pretty much free of jews. Good job refuting your own theory.

>>2790200
I'm Hungarian, not Arabic.

>>2790204
>The most anti-semitic states in the world are those bordering Israel

Well, they're butthurt over being BTFO'd so much I imagine. But that's beside the point

Malaysia and Somalia are more or less the same level as anti-semitic and aren't anywhere near Israel

>All the jew lovers are from the US south, which is both dismally poor and pretty much free of jews. Good job refuting your own theory.

wut? The affluent high-educated liberals of the US are very much against anti-semitism.

The KKK and other anti-semitic groups find their support among the low-IQ south

Take a list of states by IQ, the most anti-semitic will be bottom tier and the least will be top-tier. This is a fact that obviously triggers you, tiny brain.

>>2790222
>Islam
>Not Tengri

>>2790216
The only reason America still supports zionism is because of those fucktarded Israel-loving rednecks in the US South who keep voting for it.

>KKK
>even existing in 2017
Please.

>>2790222
Butthurt jew spotted. And Hungary has higher IQ than Israel.

>>2790222
>How many sand niggers have you taken in?
None. They're the most anti-rapefugee country in all of EU.

>>2790240
>The only reason America still supports zionism is because of those fucktarded Israel-loving rednecks in the US South who keep voting for it.


wut? Are you ignoring all the pro-Israeli Democrats in Northern, wealthy states?

Both the left and right supports Israel in the US, save the far-far-left which consists of non-white scum and a handful of white trash

>>2790253
GOP is the main zionist party, did you miss Netankikeu chimping out because Obongo wasn't fully following his agenda? Although both parties are fairly zionist, GOP is complete overkill.

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>>2790256
>not denying being a jew

>>2790262
I agree, we need to support the democrats to stop madman zionist trump.

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>>2790267
Or better yet, we need to get rid of the entire rotten system.

>>2790272
Slavs are jew killers, so they're good people in my book.

>>2790281
Yeah see how well that goes. Low-IQ White trash, trust fund ANTIFA larpers, and some WE WUZ niggers are basically all you'll find for that

>>2789146
> Is the evil empire and empire?


They did engage in aggressive territorial expansion, if the USSR was still around today it would be interesting to see how much more territory was absorbed into the state

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>>2790285
But the USSR, which you say was run by Jews, has killed more Slavs than anyone else. Far more than vice-versa actually

Slavs are just fodder for Jewish keks

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>>2790272
Please go be nazi somewhere else.

>>2790294
>But the USSR, which you say was run by Jews, has killed more Slavs than anyone else.
At least you admit it.

>>2790309
I'd come delouse your house with a certain German pesticide if you kindly ask.

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>>2790340
>the holocaust never happened
But it should have.

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>>2789146
werent marx and engels german

>>2789237
>>2789227

buh? I mean maybe at first that shit was true, but eventually one of the things that brought down the USSR was the great sums of money in the form of aid Russia was being obliged to pay to prop up the other SSRs. Boris Yeltsin made his bones as a member of a faction that was advocating dissolution because the "empire" had become such a drain on the mother country.

>>2790391
>Engels
Yes

>Marx
No

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>>2790392
> MFW french women were known for doing the same thing during the occupation and again when America liberated them


> MFW Russia and America saving Europe was also the biggest tag-team in history

>>2790080
It's not the fact people hated them, it was the fact they could hate the Jews. If everyone around you is Catholic in most of Europe, you need someone to blame. Do you want to blame a Catholic? No, blame those Jews. It's the same mentality Hitler brought up leading up during his raise of power, displacing blame of Germany's emasculation from the Treaty of Versailles not on any real, pure-blooded German, but on the Jews who are different.

>>2789888

He was the mixed progeny of a jewish grandmother who converted.
Ethnically he was more Russian than anything.
Ideologically he hadn't a trace of it.

I'm sorry it's no inconvenient not being able to pin everything you don't like on Jews.

>>2789980
Stalin and his henchmen would have fucked your family over and would be rubbing his fat gentile hands together while you complained about jews.

>>2789886

I am a Jew and you do us absolutely no service by sitting there praising communism like it wasn't a genocidal ideology on the same tier as national socialism.

>>2790507
>It's not the fact people hated them, it was the fact they could hate the Jews
you don't hate certain demographics for no reason, nice try jidf

>>2789312
Speaking of mongols, their empire was basically entirely non-mongols, but we still call Yuan China something Mongolian, as do we call all the other places they just kinda took over.
I don't think it's wrong to look at the VERY Jewish early government as a Jew-dominated communist takeover.


That being said, it was not a "Russian Empire", or a "Russian Communist Empire" but more of a Communist Empire, in the early stages. They took over all the rest of the world's communist parties and ran them like the fucking mob, for better or for worse. Sometimes their ideas were completely retarded stuff for communists to do, like reeeing hard about how SPD are fascists instead of going out and fighting the actual fascists.

>>2790507
Yeah and Hitler only believed in Germany because his WIENER was SMALL LOL and he probably had mommy issues teehee *slurps cum*

>>2791196
*wags tail*
when are we
*yiffs*
seizing the means of furduction*
*sniff sniff*
comrade

>>2789146
They were an empire in the sense they controlled alot of land and tried to spread their ideology to all corners of it. Russia was considered a motherland even to workers who were not Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeOVsI5SAhg

>>2789237
>Was Russian culture enforced upon non-Russians?

It was within the USSR. Especially to what were considered "harmful ethnicities" who were German or would cooperate with Germans and Poles during the Great Patriotic War.

>>2789312
Yes, also until the Great Patriotic War the USSR was officially atheist. Many members were of Ashkenazi descent though.

>>2789577
>They went around and annexed other countries on the regular.

During the war to push back from Nazi expansionism.

>>2789684
>For one, it followed a Jewish ideology (Marxist socialism).
Marx literally wrote a book about how much he opposed Jewish identity and zionism though.

>>2789735
>gets btfo
>you- you're not Russian though. You are wrong because of that.

>>2790008
Well yes, it actually does. That's basically the definition.

>>2790391
Marx used to be a German nationalist but was kicked out for being part ashkenazi.

>>2790204
>The most anti-semitic states in the world are those bordering Israel.

notice how keeping them outside has made israel the most successful colony out of the bunch
you're practically looking at the north/south korea divide scrub

>the fucking south is jew loving territory
confirmed brainwashed arab

>>2789227
It did not
the irony of the soviet sphere of influence was it spent more resources maintaining it than profiting from it, and if it had an actually functioning currency would have been running a trade deficit basically with itself
like that's a really dysfunctional economy, you can't even turn a profit off a fucking empire.

>>2790240
Do you believe the USSR was a Russian empire?

Side note: Southern folks who wave the confederate flag doubtfully support israel as much as northern republicans, who regardless are in love with it as the birthplace of jesus and a military strategic point.

>>2789146
Yes, there was forced russification of minorities in the SU and mandatory Russian language taught in schools in every satelite state.

>>2791186
>Yuan China
"The Yuan dynasty is considered both a successor to the Mongol Empire and an imperial Chinese dynasty." - wikijewbia

IDK, Yuan China sounds Chinese to me.

And as far as "jew dominated" - i have to say that based on the other links provided in this thread, it's safe to assume that while perhaps most Jews may have been Bolsheviks, most Bolsheviks were not Jews.

I agree with your latter sentiment.

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>>2789146
Lenin wasn't even Russian, Stalin was Georgian so under him it was a Georgian Empire and kruschev was Ukrainian so under him it was a Ukrainian Empire etc

>>2790975
no

>>2790507
>If everyone around you is Catholic
Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe is a melting pot of Catholics, Orthodoxes, Protestants and Jews. And Jews ended up being the only ones targeted this hard, really makes you think.

>>2791268
>defending yourself by annexing small countries
Communist logic.

>>2791294
It isn't. You can be a Jew and an atheist because Jew is an ethnicity. In my language there even is a distinction between lowercase jew and uppercase Jew, one of them denoting religion and the proper noun denoting ethnicity.

If Trotsky wasn't a Jew according to your logic, what was he? Russian? German? Hardly. He was a Jew.

>>2791775
He was Ashkenazi but he wasn't Jewish. You're conflating different things to suit your own ideology.

>>2791770
Those were annexed after nazis had been controlling them. They were added to the socialist nation.

>>2791780
Ashkenazis are a sub-ethnicity of Jews.

>>2791786
Exactly and Trotsky was of that ethnicity. No shit.

>>2791783
I didn't know Karelia or Estonia were controlled by the nazis in 1940, really makes you think. I didn't know Bukhara in 1920 was a nazi country either, or Transcarpathian Rus after WW2.

>>2791790
Ergo Trotsky was a Jew.

>>2789146
Of course it was. Why do you think people commonly refer to it as "Russia"? It drained all of the neighbouring states to feed itself and subjected them all to Russian language policies.

>>2791797
Ashkenazi = ethnicity of people who traditionally practice the religion of Judaism
Jew = a practicioner of Judaism
Trotsky was an ashkenazi whose ancestors were Jews but he was an atheist and had no connection to the Jewish/ judaic culture.

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>>2791806
"Ashkenazi" to a "Jew" is the same as "Norwegian" is to a "Nordic". It's an ethnic subtype.
Jew can mean both religion and an ethnicity, in Trotsky's case we are talking about ethnicity. He was an ethnic Jew.

impossible to have a civil discussion because butthurt middle class children instantly flock to threads like these to cry about da jews
who they unironically work for

>>2791869
>he's not a NEET

>>2789625
>no sources
There never was a debate to begin with.

>far-left

>>2791873
>being a NEET and a /pol/tard at the same time

How's that cognitive dissonance treating you?

>>2791869
>impossible to have a civil discussion because whenever you mention the word "jew" a flock of apologists arrives to link some wikipedia articles and call others a neo-nazis, as well as talking about matters which they have no idea about

>>2791947
shut the fuck up uneducated child
shut the fuck up
enough of this bullshittery, you cant even read anything longer than a page because of your ADHD, LE GREENTEXT EBIN IM SO EDGY TOP KEK JEWS GET IT HAHA DA JEWS AND COMMUNIES MOMMY TENDIES TENDIES WE WANT FROM WENDIES DAAAAD PLS I WANT MY NEWEST CONSOLEEEEE

fucking die in cancer, shitstain

>>2790164
Why are the least educated/developed regions of the world always those with the least foreigners/immigrants/refugees? Why are those with the most development and highest IQ's/standards of living those with the most? Really makes me think

>>2791963
>thinks reading wikipedia articles is what makes you educated
>has a little fit

Never talk about this subject again pleb.

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>>2789146
>Was Soviet Union in a way a far-left Russian empire?

No. It wasn't run by Russians. It was a Hebraic Autocracy run mainly by Jewish Bolsheviks in order to cleanse the west. Just look at the genocide that they did to the Ukrainians

>>2792340
Not a real quote of Solzhenitsin. Stormfag can't make a point without lying.

>>2791819
>merriam webster is the last word on controversial topics but wikipedia is cuckmode

lol /his/ is srs business guys

>>2792358
>I don't know how dictionaries work

You dumb cunt.

>>2790204
>All the jew lovers are from the US south

this is complete bullshit. I live in south carolina you don't want to be a Jew here. practically everyone is poor and blames jews for everything, I won't be surprised when someone dylan roofs at a synagogue.

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>>2790244
>And Hungary has higher IQ than Israel

60% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi and 20% of Israel is Arab Muslims/Christians.

Ashkenazi Jews are the ones with high IQs, they have an average of 115 which shits on every asian and european country

>>2791971
That would be quite the epic bitchslap if that guy was even arguing about refugees in any way at all...

>>2790125
Wikipedia is vehemently anti-communist, what are you smoking?

>>2792340
If Stalin wanted to genocide the Ukrainians why did he let its population grow substantially from 1930 to 1952? If the famine was some great planned project, why didn't he do this to other Slavic populations?

>>2792609
He didn't though?

>>2789480
Yeah this one is also a lie