Phoenicia

>How come we don't talk about the Phoenicians?
Who doesn't?

>>2787030
>Is there any stories or accounts of other cultures meeting the Phoenicians traders?
What do you think? Of course there are, trading with them was an everyday thing.

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>>2787030
It's a strange civilisation. Theres even people trying to connect the Phoenician language with Irish. The first line in pic related is in Phoenician, the second line is Irish and the third is the English translation.
>>2787047
I meant more like interesting facts or tidbits to post on here. Kinda like "Chrysippus was a Greek philosopher who died laughing at his own joke"

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>>2787063
More of the comparison.

>>2787063
It's possible that the original Gaels, from Iberia, picked up some Punic loanwords, but that the Gaelic (Irish) people were, and are largely descended from Phoenicians/Carthaginians, is very unlikely. They don't cluster closely, in terms of genetics, with Lebanese, or Tunisian people.

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>>2787030
In Sardinia it's full of Phoenician stuff, so much that Romans considered Sardinians to be Phoenicians, the inhabitants of the coasts and plains adopted Phoenician culture so well that they became indistinguishable from actual Phoenicians and kept writing in Punic until the 2nd century AD

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>>2787030
Fellaini?

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>>2787078
Tharros, in the west coast of Sardinia was perhaps the one of the most important centers where jewels were manufactured, however the majority of the golden jewels found in the tombs were looted two centuries ago when the ancient city was being excavated and never found again, pic related.

>>2787063
>>2787070
Interesting

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>>2787086

Typical Punic mask from Sardinia

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>>2787089
>>2787086
>>2787078
Reconstruction of the Sirai citadel, where the natives and Phoenicians cohexisted,

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>>2787094
Helmets found during the excavation

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>>2787099
Main Phoenicians centers

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>>2787086
Pic related is the creator god El. His children Yam (God of the Sea) Mot (God of Death) and Hadad (God of Rain and Thunder) heavily influence the Greek Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
>>2787089
Kinda creepy

>>2787063
>>2787070
>>2787088
This is bullshit by the way, the "Irish" is mostly gibberish, and the same work it comes from tries to put forward the idea that Irish round towers are monuments built by a cult of pre-Celtic penis worshippers (I'm not making this up)

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First western philosopher/scientist was Phoenician

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_of_Miletus

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>>2787115
A depiction of Hadad. Often referred to as Ba'al (lord) however this title was also used for other gods. Hadad is the lord of the sky who governs the rain. He is the protector of life and growth to the agricultural people of the region.
>>2787117
That's a shame. It was an interesting read.

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>>2787113
Phoenician jewels from Sardinia

>>2787073
>They don't cluster closely, in terms of genetics, with Lebanese, or Tunisian people.
Because those people are much newer to the area and pushed out the Phoenicians? You might as well say there was never a Germanic presence in North Africa just because the Vandals were supplanted by the Berbers.

There was an Iberian immigration to Ireland around 1500 BC.

The Sons of Mil. The Milesians.

These were most likely Phoenician influenced Celts.

It's hard to prove but that's the folk tale.

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>>2787134
Distribution of the tophets (cemeteries for stillborn and very young children)

>>2787141
>Because those people are much newer to the area and pushed out the Phoenicians?
Yeah but there's no linguistic or archaeological proof to suggest they were ever there. The "Irish" in those comparisons is complete gibberish.

>>2787155
Ah, aye. I thought the comparison meant that the same people split after moving from the Indus mountains, one lot going to the Levant and around North Africa, the others up through Anatolia and above Greece until very eventually hitting Erin.

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>>2787150
During 1500 bc there is no evidence of Phoenicians anywhere in the Western Mediterranean.

All the first traces of Phoenician presence in the Western Med date back to the 9th century at most (Huelva, Utica, Sulky, Carthage and a few other sites).

The first Levantine people to reach the Western Med were the Cypriots, who traded intensively with Sardinia from the 14th to the 11th century bc, but they were not Phoenicians, it is possible that some Canaanites/Ugaritic people came with them though there is no evidence for it.

>>2787127
Europe get's its name from a Phoenician Princess who is generally said to be the daughter of Agenor, the Phoenician King of Tyre

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(mythology)
>>2787141
The Lebanese are the descendants of the Phoenicians.

>The genetic marker which identifies descendants of the ancient Levantines is found among members of all of Lebanon's religious communities, he said. "It's a story that can actually unite Lebanon much more than anything else." The marker, known as the J2 haplogroup, was found in an unusually high proportion among Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians tested by Zalloua during more than five years of research.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-phoenicians-dna-idUSL0559096520070910

>>2787030
>How come we don't talk about the Phoenicians
We usually have at least three threads a week about them

Do Lebanese people or Tunisian people have bigger claim on Carthaginian civilization?

Does anyone have a map or list of Phoenician cities/forts/villages in the actual Phoenician language? Seems hard to find.

>>2787030
Because all anyone in the west cares about is classical greeks and romans.

>Libya is washed on all sides by the sea except where it joins Asia, as was first demonstrated, so far as our knowledge goes, by the Egyptian king Necho, who, after calling off the construction of the canal between the Nile and the Arabian gulf, sent out a fleet manned by a Phoenician crew with orders to sail west about and return to Egypt and the Mediterranean by way of the Straits of Gibraltar. The Phoenicians sailed from the Arabian gulf into the southern ocean, and every autumn put in at some convenient spot on the Libyan coast, sowed a patch of ground, and waited for next year's harvest. Then, having got in their grain, they put to sea again, and after two full years rounded the Pillars of Heracles in the course of the third, and returned to Egypt. These men made a statement which I do not myself believe, though others may, to the effect that as they sailed on a westerly course round the southern end of Libya, they had the sun on their right - to northward of them. This is how Libya was first discovered by sea.

Herodotus describes a Phoenicians crew's voyage around the continent of Africa

>>2787478
Modern Tunisians are ~20% negroid

>>2787127
The founder of based stoicism was also Phoenician

>>2787490
It's on Wikipedia. Some of the names have not changed into modern times.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#Important_cities_and_colonies

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>>2787490

>>2787081
Fucking English scum get out of this board

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>>2787030
Emperor Septimius Severus of Rome was half-Punic (Phoenician) and pretty proud of his heritage. His native language was Punic, he spoke Latin and Greek with a heavy Punic accent, and he introduced Punic deities to the official pantheon.

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>>2789611
Another pic. He's one of the only Roman Emperors who we have a preserved contemporary painting of. I wonder why no one made a bigger stink about him being so proud to be descended from one of Rome's oldest and deadliest enemies.

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>>2789621

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>>2789621
>mfw Geta's face

>>2787030
Phoenician rituals reconstructed in Sardinia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gBOVstGwA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEY-e319_aQ

>>2789651
He kinda looks like Jesus.

Cadmus was thought to have spread the Phoenician alphabet to Greece.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmus
>>>2789621
On an unrelated topic, when and why did beards become popular in Rome? I see a lot of the later rulers being bearded while during the Republic everyone seemed to keep a close shave.

>>2789797
Most likely due to the amount of foreign groups being introduced to Rome, who were often heavily bearded.

>>2789783
Purified faces will always tend to look childish and feminine. The similarity you're seeing between Severus and Cesare Borgia (the photo we know as Jesus Christ) is the fact that both faces and hairs are purified (and probably whitened) to make them look... more pure

>>2789838
>Cesare Borgia (the photo we know as Jesus Christ)

Fuck off with your memes.

>>2789849
Fuck you, just look up Cesare Borgia and Alexandra Borgia you faggot. Deep down, you know Alejandro Borgia was a corrupt pope who practised favoritism and nepotism.

>>2789935
>Fuck you, just look up Cesare Borgia
Wow, what compelling evidence.

http://www.snopes.com/jesus-modeled-on-borgia/

There is literally no evidence for this bullshit, kindly fuck off.

>>2789849
>>2789935
>>2789949
Either talk about the Phoenicians or fuck off.

>>2787133
>That's a shame. It was an interesting read.
A modern Irish speaker sees gibberish in ancient writing, this is like an average Italian looking at some Latin and not understanding it.

>>2789952
Fuck you, you are not the boss of me, you nigger communist faggot.

>>2789965
Be careful with that edge young man

>>2789965
I am, actually. And after that attitude, you can clean out your desk tomorrow. Don't bother coming in monday.

>>2787141
Phoenician is Semitic. This is not open for debate.

>>2791105
Phoenicians don't exist anymore

>>2791673
>Ancient middle easterners called themselves something else different to modern middle easterners that means they don't exist anymore.

>>2791732
>green text
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>>2789514
>wiki
>Speculum Rotae

>>2789557
>Hippo Regius

Hmmmm

>>2791105
Maybe later, when they interbred with semites.

>>2792773
No

>>2787030
Every single fucking week we have a thread about how we "never talk about" the Phœnicians.

It's the lamest bait ever.

>>2787030
we talk Carthage quite a bit (muh elephants)

now Tyre on the other hand...

>>2796493
Sorry, I never see these threads.

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>>2796623
Tyre is the goat city state

>BTFO Cyprus
>they tell you that to the west lie immense riches, copper and silver in great quantities, the fabled Tarshish
>stop by Euboea (Greece) which had collapsed, help them get back on their feet, give them the alphabet and work with them, become merchant allies ready to set shops in the West together
>Reach Sardinia, the isle of silver, get rich as fuck from their silver and help the natives to prosper, improve the already existent Central Med trade network between Sardinia, Iberia and Greece, the native proto urban settlements on the coasts and plains become full fledged cities
>reach North Africa, found colonies that will eventually be remembered by everyone on earth such as Carthage, mix with the local Berbers creating the BASED Punic race, which will give brith to Hannibal, the greatest general of all time
>reach the far west, Spain, give civilizations to the natives and get even richer from silver

All this when Romans were still in caves

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>>2797822
Tyrian colonies, just one city gave brith to all of them

>>2797826
>Hippo Regius
the most punic of cities

Why did emperors love Tyrian purple?

>>2798357
Most likely a status symbol purely because it was so retardedly expensive to get.

>>2798355
>The name Hippo is from Punic ûbôn 'harbor.

It's almost like names slightly change over time, mind blowing, ain't it?

>>2797822
what's that lizard in the water? Crocodile?

>>2798946

yes

>>2787030
What a punchable face

>>2789935
btfo by >>2789949