underperforming south america

>>2779550
Hispaniards mixed with the natives instead of killing them like based Anglos did.

It will experience a renaissance

The west is dying and latin america will be the phoenix to rise out of its ashes

Spengler thought it would be eastern europe. And it may be in the short run. But only the short run. It just doesn't make sense for any longer.

>>2779556
Expplain Argentina then

>>2779575
Spengler said Russia, not eastern Europe.

>>2779556
>What is Chile
Don't worry, sweetie. We are coming to Europe soon!

>>2779575
renaissance would indicate that south america was great once, but it was always shit, and according to most predictions always will be.
Now the question is, why is south america so shit when they had the head start.

>>2779600

Nope, Argentina, Cuba and Venezuela were pretty good 60 years ago

But, the problem of southamerica as a whole, can be related to the downfall of the Spanish Empire in XIX century, and the influence of EEUU with the Monroe doctrine

>>2779622
>Nope, Argentina, Cuba and Venezuela were not completely shit 60 years ago.
ftfy
still doesn't eplain why the whole of south and central america is shit today?
Spanish colonial structures? Climate?

>>2779550
Monroe Doctrine. South America was basically one big old proxy for US interests.

>paraná
Fucking slavs

>>2780445
This

And the fact that south america was 'colonized' completely differently than N. America. N. America was made into a place where people wanted to be, s. america was just a place to go take shit and then bring it home.

>in during people blame the yankees for the problems and not the basic fact that 1700s British culture was better than 1500s Spanish culture

>>2780445
Yes but why? Why didn't develop south America faster then the US?

>>2780483
Just take any South American country and read the history from the beginning. Then read the history of the USA and compare.

>>2780483
Because it was busy getting gang raped by spain and portugal for most of it's history

>>2779550
Race

>>2780494
B-but most South American countries are led by white people

>>2780487
Thats asked a bit to much. Why didn't Gran Colombia or Brazil develop as fast as the US? They where reasonably big entities with resources and enough people by the 1800's.

>>2780487
top answer lad!

>>2780499
Brown mooring rape babies aren't white

>>2780509
You're the pashtun guy, aren't you?

>>2780494
Some days I honestly wish I was racist. Imagine how easy it would make history. Instead of having to research the history, economy, geography (especially mineral and agricultural capacity) I could just see if the people who occupy that country are a shade darker than me. Then it's as simple as saying their subhuman or whatever.

>>2780501
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_brazil

I think it's because of lack of liberalism in the classical sense. Brazil for example likes to centralize power too much. It doesn't give much autonomy to the other states. It also hates the free market.

>>2780483
Because the US didn't have as many external actors attempting to exploit or destabilize it. Most of it's concerns were more internal and easier to manage.

Take >>2780492 and then add in the US a bit later on and it starts to become easy to see why South America did poorly.

>>2780534
Brazil was pretty stable compare to the US torn apart by civil war.
I really don't get it, large fertile lands, enough population, all speak spanish or portuguese, why didn't they make more out of it?

>>2780551
I'm not him but I think the answer is lack of economic freedom. Brazil is in the place 140th in the heritage index.

>Barriers to entrepreneurial activity include burdensome taxes, inefficient regulation, poor access to long-term financing, and a rigid labor market. The judicial system remains vulnerable to corruption.

>The personal income tax rate is 27.5 percent. The standard corporate rate is 15 percent, but other taxes, including a financial transactions tax, bring the effective rate to 34 percent. The overall tax burden equals 32.8 percent of domestic income. Government spending has amounted to 39.5 percent of total output (GDP) over the past three years, and budget deficits have averaged 6.4 percent of GDP. Public debt is equivalent to 73.7 percent of GDP.

>Organizing new businesses remains cumbersome and bureaucratic. It is costly and time-consuming to launch or expand a business. Rigid and outmoded labor regulations undermine employment growth, and the nonsalary cost of employing a worker is burdensome. The new government has pursued more orthodox policies than its predecessor and plans to cap increases in budget spending and eliminate automatic indexation of entitlements.

>>2780551
>>2780568
While Chile, the country that has the highest HDI in South America, is in the 10th place in the ranking.

>>2780568
Yes thats today, but was this also the case in the 1800's?

>>2779550
Portuguese and Spanish colonialists were there more to exploit the land rather than to settle there and build it up.

>>2780575
When it was the Empire of Brazil it was growing.
>Development on an immense scale occurred during this period, anticipating similar advancements in European countries.[200][201] In 1850, there were fifty factories with a total capital of Rs 7.000:000$000. At the end of the Imperial period in 1889, Brazil had 636 factories representing an annual rate of increase of 6.74% over the number in 1850, and with a total capital of approximately Rs 401.630:600$000 (which represents an annual growth rate in value of 10.94% from 1850 to 1889).[202]

>Even though the last four decades of Pedro II's reign were marked by continuous internal peace and economic prosperity, he had no desire to see the monarchy survive beyond his lifetime and made no effort to maintain support for the institution.

>>2780587
>When it was the Empire of Brazil it was growing.
Thats why I'm asking. Like there where several entities in the Americas which had the basics to become great powers. Some of them worked even for some time, but in the end all fucked up only the US ( & Canada) succeeded Why
Where the US just real lucky or where the Latinos just shit?

>>2779699
m8, argentina was a top ten nation for quality of life before ww2

>>2780617
>was

>>2780620
and stagnated (but never really bombed out) due to shitty aministration

I'd say a fair amount of latin america's stagnation since ww2 is due to americans countering the spread of communism by appointing nutjob dictators across south america

>>2780617
What went wrong?

>>2780605
I don't know. It's complex.
Monarchy then IIRC the rich landowners got mad because they ended slavery the coup happened. Shitty republic by positivists with no good background like the US takes over. Fake federation.
>Although it was theoretically a constitutional democracy, the Old Republic was characterized by the power of regional oligarchies and the seldom broken alternation of power in the federal sphere between the states of São Paulo and Minas Gerais. The vote in the countryside was often controlled by the local land owner, and less than 6% of the population had the right to vote due to literacy requirements.

they stop that and put dictatorship. End of that and then dictatorship again because of some communist threat. dictatorship ends in the 80s the socialists come back with full force and make a very socialist constitution.

Latins who colonized south america were and are lazy and expect things to just fall into their hands.

>>2780645
see
>>2780641

>>2779550
Natives and niggers

>>2780580
Venezuela was more developed than the US before Bolivar's great chimp out.They just replaced a stable colonial goverment for a bunch of caudillos that wanted their own share of power

>>2779550
protogommunism (franciscans spreading their BS around)
gommunism (soviets spreading their BS around)
postgommunism (south conners and brazilians spreading their BS around)

>>2779622
>EEUU
What?

>>2780862
USA

>>2779550
Catholicism

>>2779550
When communism dies in Venezuela it dies in the whole South America then and only then will it have a chance to surpass Anglo-America.

>>2779550
Corruption, lack of institutions, legacy of rigid class structure based on origin, infatuation with communism

>>2780580
3 factors - all important

1. The differences between the culture in the US being that mainly of the english - who desired to settle and build the land, as opposed to the spanish, who wanted to rape and pillage the land for gold and convert the natives to be catholic (unlike the english, french, and americans who basically treated them as savages to be driven off when needed)

2. the amazon and the andes dominate the central portion of the continent and were much more impassible than the rockies...creating isolation

3. Post manifest destiny/ fuck the natives, the US, Canada, and Mexico all startegically are connected to both the pacific and atlantic oceans for trade...or an for bonus points, the US has a very large and convensient river system connectign the Missisippi river from the gulf up to actually useful (not jungle shitlands) famrland, and also greatlakes are usefull blah blah>

TLDR: geography and killing the indians for daring to take the white man's land

>>2779550
Having been to Latin America my guess is the lifestyle and attitude is completely antithetical towards the hyper-competitive nature of the Anglo world.

Thus their services (fast food for example) are absolutely lazy and useless, but their nightlife and general enjoyment of life is GOAT. Hard to care about GDP when you're surrounded by cheap coke and bunda.

>>2779550
Part of it was definitely education. The Portuguese didn't put a single university in Brazil during colonial times, and the Spaniards were late in putting in universities in Hispano-America.

>>2780824
this
t. vuvuzelan

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>>2781129
You sound like a high school student that just read gunsgermssteel and now shows off his newly acquired wisdom.

>>2782146
>were late in putting in universities in Hispano-America
Spain founded their first university in America in the XVI century.

>>2780501
Chronic instability, limited immigration, no funding to infrastructure.

>>2779550
They are literally dumber then Europeans.

>>2782343
colonial universities mostly teached 2 things: catholic religion and law
so we got more than enough priests and lawyers

>>2779600
>implying based inca empire was shit.

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>>2782825
> limited immigration
> latin america
what is this meme

>>2779550
>no data on Santa Cruz
la concha de tu madre Cristina

Inherited dysfunctional laws and governmental structure from the Spanish and Portuguese.

T. Fukayama

Common law > civil law
US had religious pluralism so no priesthood or Popery to interfer with the State

English property rights >>>>> Spanish ones at the time

More navigable water ways in the US then most of the rest of the world combined.

Huge flat plain good for agricultural development by small farmers rather than plantations growing cash crops on economies of scale and enriching a small elite as in the South and Latin America

>>2782885
Can you elaborate on that? Like colonial structures? Didn't they change that during revolutions?

>The Indian farmer is poor but free. Their situation is much better than the peasants in northern Europe, especially Russians and Germans. The number of slaves is practically zero
>"This must be known in Europe! The Mexican miners are the best paid in the world, they receive six to seven times more salary for their work, than a German miner. "
>New Spain has a notable advantage over the United States, and is that the number of slaves, both African and mixed race, is almost nil. The number of African slaves in the United States exceeds one million, which is the sixth part of their population
>Among all the kingdoms Mexico occupies the first place, as much by its territorial wealth as by the favorable of its position for the commerce with Europe and Asia.
>No city of America, including those of the United States, can exhibit such large and solid scientific institutions as Mexico City. The capital and other cities of Mexico, have scientific establishments that will lead to a comparison with those of Europe.
Alexander von Humboldt. A protestant German geographer.The people that keep blaming Spain or Portugal after more than 200 years is by all means retarded

>>2780620
that's the fucking point you retard, it would be a renaissance because it WAS great and now its shit

>>2780501
Gran colombia failed because of tribalism and Bolivar's probably justified worry that a united states of south america with a soverign federal government would struggle with the same infighting that ultimately killed it.

>>2782903
revolutions were meant to take over those structures from the spanish, not much really changed

>>2783296
>revolutions were meant to take over those structures from the spanish, not much really changed
How is a colonial council (consejo de las indias) similar to presidential republics? Some morons will clinge on anything to not blame the shit rulership that the South American countries had

>>2783027
Ok, then why is Mexico today poor and US is rich?

>>2779550
Spain can't into state building

>>2783403
Spain kept it's native people down instead of trying to work together to build a great nation.

>>2779600
>but it was always shit
what a poor education

>>2783403
Inestability,debt and civil wars.
>>2783466
The natives supported Spain during the independence wars

>>2780445
Unironically though.

Not saying it's the USA's fault, but the majority of the responsibility lies with the Monroe Doctrine.

>>2783396
It's not just about how they're set up on paper. It's the system of land ownership and tax collection/expenditure.

>>2783682
How was the tax collection and expenditure the same?

>>2783752
The government gets a disproportionate amount of its revenues directly from resource extraction in place of taxation. It mirrors colonial systems of extraction and enriches the elites instead of the general populace. The people don't "buy in" to the system so the government can continue to move along even while the people are revolting (and presumably not paying taxes). This is true of Venezuela and partially true of Mexico.

>>2779550
Latin America was born with a birth defect.

>The Spanish colonizers established vast slave empires in the New World to extract natural resources and other commodities from the land; the vast majority of the population was not initially franchised, had no property rights, and could not participate in the political system to demand greater investments in education, infrastucture, and other factors crucial to development. This initial social hierarchy perpetuated itself even after the colonial system was dismantled, formal democracies were established, and the franchise extended to larger parts of the population.
[...]
>The path of institutional development in British America was different. Early attempts to enslave the indigenous populations failed, while climate and geography encouraged large-scale European settlement, family farming, and more equal distribution of resources. Those European settlers brought with them institutions like property rights and the common-law legal system, which they applied to themselves (but not, of course, to the institution of African slavery in the south).

Source:
Falling Behind: Explaining the Development Gap Between Latin America and the United States

>>2783963

Yeah, sure.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_universities_in_Hispanic_America

>>2784003
>implying those were accessible to the general public

>>2784003
>Reading comprehension
It said greater investments in education not "invest in education at all". Latin American universities are hardly a model to aspire to.

>>2784012
He just wants to hear that it's race. He doesn't even care to say what's being done wrong. He only wants to hear that it's about race and that's it.

>>2779579
Lots of Spanish, Italian, and German immigrants

>>2782228
Great rebuttal, cockmuncher

>>2784031
Well, he will only hear it from their cattle. South-amerindians have had developed quicker and had a lot of potential even though they arrived to America 10000 years after the humans entered Europe.

>>2783466
Yes, the US's success was because they were so fond of natives truly.

>>2784043
I mean the not killing natives part. Argentina and Uruguay killed off their natives.

>>2779622
Such ingratitude, without the Monroe Doctrine, entire Latin America would have been conquered by Europe between the XIXth century and early 20th century.

Just look at all the interventions and crisis that happened during the American Civil War, when Americans couldn't enforce the doctrine. The Spanish conquered the Dominican Republic and went to war with Peru and Chile, the French invaded Mexico and made diplomatic attempts at annexing Ecuador, the British manufactured a crisis with Brazil that almost transformed into war.

Without the Monroe Doctrine to protect Latin America from Europe, it would have been conquered, exploited, and be Africa-tier nowadays.

>>2784031
There is no better argument than "it's race", though.

>>2779550
Political instability
/thread

i can only talk about Brazil, but I guess Brazil would be what the Confederacy would be if the South won the Civil war. Due to the slave economy they industrialize late, and have limited investment. Lack of democratic tradition leads to political instability. Long tradition of Iberian languages which only gives them contact with shitty Iberia.

>>2784504
Not true. America had no power to enforce the doctrine back during Monroe's time and was merely America's attempt to discourage European intervention in the Americas. It certainly didn't stop British or French incursions in Latin America. Furthermore, the moment America started expanding its military, that Monroe Doctrine turned into the Roosevelt Corollary.

>>2784504
The fuck are you talking about? US in the mid/late XIX century was a fucking meme

ffs even Chile had a navy stronger than 'Murica in 1870's-1890's

>>2779579
Argentinas indigenous population was used as cannon fodder against Paraguay

>>2779550
Pedro the second was a cuck, that's why. He was leading Brazil on an okay path but then leaves and his dumbass, probably a coalburner, daughter signs a law and casts negroes upon all of Brazil which prompted the army to take over. Pedro II didn't do anything and left Brazil to a series of bad dictatorships.

>>2785526
Argentina is a shit example. Chile has the best economy nowadays.

South-America has been always treatened by USA's companies. They always tried to buy or rent properties to the illiterate villagers since the beggining of time.

Chile's government and Pinochet's lead, made it almost impossible to do it again.

The education managed to prevent that situation.

Also, amerindians are superior to white cattle. Keep crying, zlumpflet.

jungle and kleptocratic socialists

>>2785535
That's not what happened, you lying faggot

>>2787038
Yeah it's just that two things. 500 years of history and it's as simple as jungle and socialists

>>2787046
>it's as simple as jungle and socialists
You are missing natives and niggers.

>>2787061
Are you fucking dense? The country were run by the colonizers. Slavery ended in the 1880s. Do you think how long it took for them to get some kind of power?

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>>2779550
As a Latino it's the people, bring back Spain who built all the universities while natives built narcos

>>2787080
I see you on every board. Stop spamming your ugly face.

Also, south-natives managed to beat two times europe, in the development race, knowing that they got on America 10000 years later after humans arrived Europe.

>>2787080
Latin America owes all its economical, social, cultural development and its fathers to Spain and so should be in union.

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>>2787085
The only problem of Latin America are latinos, I am a Spanish Latino, I speak Spanish my ancestors are Spanish, my history is of Spain and so I will be in union with my nation and all Spanish speakers will be in union and lead by Madrid with each Latino state being given Cortes.

I have no disadvantage from Spain only development, the failure of Latin America comes from its seperatism from Spain.

>>2787068
Natives and niggers can't innovate.You can't have a functioning economy without innovation.That is why all native countries are shit

>>2787098
>innovation
Where are the innovations of the thousands of years of european stone age, lad? Where are the innovations of centuries of feudalism on the villagers, lad?

Still, we are superior to cumskins, boy.

>>2787098
Have you ever read the economic policies of any of these countries? The country that is full of mestizos, Chile, is the one who is doing better in South America because they have economic freedom.

>>2783906
The US didn't have an income tax until until 1913.They don't have a tradition of tax collection from their colonial time.You are talking out of your ass again.

>>2787101
Look who rans the economy in Chile.It is all white europeans.Mestizos are just generic trash that do low paying jobs
>>2787100
Even the most backwater region in Europe was more advanced than the Incas or the Aztecs at their peak 5000 years ago.

>>2787107
>they were more advanced
Nice to know you know nuffin about what you talk about. Typical pigskin.

>>2787107
>the Incas or the Aztecs at their peak 5000 years ago.
Please leave /his/ now, you simply don't have what it takes. Thanks.

>>2787107
>who rans
So you accept that the responsible of one country's success is the president, or head of state?
Yes?

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>>2787107

>>2787107
>nigger-body goddesses worship
>bull statues
>nigger-tier houses
>chimp-out culture (((herpserk)))
Spilled my water, thanks.

>>2787100
Wherls and iron for 1

>>2787149
>wheels
Developed by the Inca, thanks
>iron
Good grief that the bretons are superior to the rest of the pigskins, so the europeans learnt to smelt iron thanks to the trade between med merchants. Also, it's possible that bretons also managed to get this knowledge by their ancestors who learnt this due to med merchants.

Meanwhile, north america, south america had been isolated and made it almost impossible to trade between the great civilizations of their land.

>for 1
The unique one, honey *drops mic*

>>2787172
No iron or bronze for americas in 1,500 as when euros had iron 3,000bc

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>>2779550
They unironically believe in Mother Virgin and Socialism.

>>2780520
>Instead of having to research the history, economy, geography (especially mineral and agricultural capacity)
So you insist on focusing those things and ignore everything else.
Also you insist on ignoring examples were these factors were positive and shit's still a shithole or the opposite.

>I could just see if the people who occupy that country are a shade darker than me
And you don't seem to understand the subject either.

You're a funny hypocrite to belittle fags on a manchurian calligraphy board in such an oh-so-intelectual way.

>>2787203
>borrowed knowledge
Is stealing patents a sign of magnificence?

>>2787203
So they were quite literally behind on technology 4,500 years+

>>2787220
Asia Minor was inhabited by Europeans that invented it, Galatians and hittites.

>>2779556
fpbp

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>>2787223
Considering they didn't hit Iron Age americas were even further behind as difference between bronze and iron is 2,000 years add that to the retrason 6,500 years behind so far

>>2787226
At least say what's been done wrong in terms of policy. Is that asking too much for a board like this?

>>2787225
>1500 B.C.
>humans arrived to America 10000 years after humans did reached Europe.
How is this an argument? *sips tea*

>>2787239
So while we are in 2017 relative to unconracted americas we would be in 8500ad or more

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>>2787251
*sips coffee* stop denying the retrason of natives.

>>2787119
No.I am talking about entrepreneurs and human capital which is what develops the economy.Natives and niggers can't innovate so they count as 0 or in some cases less than 0 in terms of human capital

>>2787278
>retrason
>arrived to America 10000 years later
Deal with it, sweetie. *drops mic*
Also,
>caral culture
Pigskins utterly completely eternally BTFO.

>>2787297
They existed in 3000bc what the fuck are you talking about

>>2787294
>enterpreneurs
>human capital
So the president doesn't have anything to do with it?
>white entrepreneurs
Lmao, what?

>>2787303
>can't read caral advancements and how south america was treatened constantly on the coast by the nino annual weather floods
Pigskin.

>>2787307
90% of the big companies were founded by europeans.In SA all the entrepreneurs are Europeans or Lebanese

>>2787312
What the fuck are you about, Latin America is no more dangerous than Europe

>>2787321
source?
>feeling pride of big companies
Odebretch has recently revealed that it has been corrupted and had relations with almost every country on SA. Do you really want to discuss company decissions? *sips tea*
>>>2787324
>caral civilization developed a system of prevention for floods, they were supposed to know a principle of fluid mechanics to build that
>already developed proto writing system (quipu)
Pigskins had to steal each others inventions so they could build their nigger-tier huts and smelt some iron for their nigger-body idols.

*drops mic*

>>2787294
South America needs people like you who knows how to innovate on shitposting and retardation. Successful people who contributes to humanity by posting on an anime imageboard.

>>2779600
>was great once
Indeed. Until the genocide happened and the white man destroyed and stealed almost everything their culture had.

>>2787365
I as a white men would bring up the economy of any south american country with my superior IQ and superior genes

>>2787536
Pure delusion.

>>2787085
Agree, what's the point on posting your face dude, like wtf. You are only seeking attention ( I am a Spanish Latino, I speak Spanish my ancestors are Spanish), yeah i see SHUT THE FUCK UP

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>>2787365
I lost my shit

>>2787367
Accidental epidemics that the native population has no immunity to aren't exactly genocides.

>>2779550

Contrary to what some fucks sometimes say, the world economy is a zero sum ecosystem. Not everybody can be the apex predator.

I.e. Not everybody can be the industrial powerhouse that buys natural resources from everyone else to turn them into iphones if they are all also trying to buy the same resources to make the same iphones.

>>2787367
Peru's and Mexico's golden age happened under Spanish rule

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>>278781

Lautaro, bring me a Corvo and a flammenwerfer

>>2788147
There are temperate regions even under the equatorial line due to altitude

>>2787102
The US was also an irrelevant backwater shithole until the 20th century.

>>2787102
>All taxes are income tax
>America was tax free

The British moved into a mostly empty land and could develop it at their leisure. The Spanish arrived to a continent full of civilizations that were on the level of ancient egypt or sumer (minus horses) and had to either subdue them or work with them. You don't understand, the Aztecs and Incas were Rome and Carthage, their fall was fucking catastrophic and their barbarian conquerors (tribes and nations that joined the Spanish) never recovered.

It's obviously race. If, say, the British or the Dutch had established a homogenous white settler colony in a piece of South America, that country would very likely be first world like Australia. Jared Diamond would probably still look for the geographic reason behind that countries success.

>>2787102
Funny you say that because modern Latin American politics closely resembles the corrupt clientelism of late 19th century America.

>>2790325
Isn't that sorta what you get when United Fruit Company and CIA is role models?

>>2789873
You could argue 1869 + 20-30 years.
Or straight up argue USA was a shitty backwater until 1910's, where they finally managed to excert power over a proxy nation to build a trade canal.

>>2787571
It's an exaggeration of a common central and south American mindset.

>>2790045
I didn't say that moron. I just said that the colonies don't inherit the same tax system from their colonial times

>>2791345
Go back and read the post again. It's specifically lack of taxation.

>>2791461
There was taxation during the colonial era. Both to workers, lords and specially tariffs which was how US taxation worked. You are just clueless and spam your memes

>>2791521
I'm not saying that there was none, I'm saying there's not enough. Too much government revenue in places like Venezuela and Mexico came from resource extraction.

>>2779550
extractory vs settling model

>>2791534
Venezuela was poor in resources until oil was a thing. It was still a rich region which recieved most of its revenue from taxation. Obviously modern taxation has nothing to do with XVIII taxation and you are just pulling shit out of your ass

>>2791565
Lots of families settled in Mexico,Cuba and Colombia. That is why the population there are mostly mestizos or castizos.

>>2779556
You forgot to emntion they imported millions of negroes in South America and mxied with those too

>>2787205
That map is inaccurate since South Italy and Sardinia started extracting and working copper already by the early 4th millenium bc

>>2787205
Also your map is about copper, not iron

>>2787107
>Even the most backwater region in Europe was more advanced than the Incas or the Aztecs at their peak 5000 years ago.

What?

You mean 500 years ago?

And that'd still be false

>>2791606
No. The Incas and Aztecs were neolithic tribes. Even the tiniest village in England was more advanced than them

>>2791653
>mfw there are people who believe this
shaking by head to be honest

>>2792811
Well, name one Inca scientist or philosopher that had any influence on todays society?

>>2787046
Jungle explains the majority of it. Commies explain the modern era.

>>2787061 is not me by the way

Development was difficult even in Louisiana and people are asking why Belém wasn't an industrial powerhouse and couldn't compete with New York. I am sure colonialist imperialist pig dogs were evil and shit, but why would they turn down an opportunity to make money if developing the colonies did so? How long did wars last? How did it affect them from the industrial revolution onwards when most of the divergence occurred?

There is a bit of confusion of cause and effect. You need a strong economy to be an imperialist.

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Read the opens veins of Latin America and you'll know why