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The Failures of Communism/Socialism 2017-05-08 03:14:15 Post No.
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... can be traced to three main phenomena:
1) The implementation of these ideologies in name only, with a cursory resemblance to the actual thing.
2) The precedent of "human nature," (i.e. corrupt leaders who embezzle, murder, and steal). This is everyone's favorite one to bring up.
3) The one everyone conveniently forgets: U.S. Foreign Policy was largely built around destabilizing these nations... especially if there was a chance they might become successful. That foreign policy was disguised by the "good intentions" of preventing human rights violations by autocratic leaders who Western Capitalist Powers then replaced with new autocratic leaders. This cycle of leader replacement is difficult for the masses to follow, destabilizes entire regions continually, and serves as a circular justification for continually engaging in interventionist warfare in order to steal resources, prevent ideas from taking hold, and maintain dominance as world police.
The only justification for this kind of foreign policy is that it works. There is no moral or ethical justification and it prevents indigenous populations of various regions from politically organizing themselves in whatever way comes most natural to them... even if that natural way is inherently oppressive or confusing to the monolithic Capitalist Imperialist West.
Am I crazy for seeing things this way? It seems like US foreign policy is built around cutthroat machiavellian game-theory bullshit in which the goal is to continually generate justifications for destabilizing interventionist warfare in which the indigenous populations are left without any sort of political identity and a puppet leader who will again be deposed in 20 or so years.
Am I crazy? What's the deal, with this /his/? What knowledge can you bring to the table about the success or lack thereof in nations and how they are linked to the foreign policies of imperialist "world police" type nations.
Why are we tight with the Saudis, but not Russia?
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>>2777433
>Why are we tight with the Saudis, but not Russia?
Russia was an actual real, existential threat to Western hegemony, while Muslims are way too disorganized, lacking of intellectual institution and martial tradition to pose as a real threat.
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>>2777446
Interesting answer. Not the one I expected. Is there any good literature that elaborates on these kinds of foreign policy distinctions?
I'm in my 20s and just starting to pay attention to the nitty-gritty of this stuff. I am by no means majoring in political science or history, but would like, at the very least, to have an ankle-deep knowledge in these things by the time I am thirty.
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>>2777433
there isn't an ideology that will work when done by shit people in shit places. just try to keep that in mind.
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Both neoliberal and realist theories in IR will explain why the US acted the way it did. More realism than anything.
The failures of Communism/Socialism still mainly come down to central planning being a terrible way to organise an economy. Little else.
>>2777461
Pick up an international relations and an economics textbook then. You should be able to get through them in about 2 months without too much effort.
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"Terrible way to organise an economy " Thomas Sankara mother fucker
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>>2778623
wow yeah 4 years of some african dude sure changes everything
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>>2777713
But decentralized socialist economies have succeeded, no?
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>Am I crazy for seeing things this way? It seems like US foreign policy is built around cutthroat machiavellian game-theory bullshit in which the goal is to continually generate justifications for destabilizing interventionist warfare in which the indigenous populations are left without any sort of political identity and a puppet leader who will again be deposed in 20 or so years.
They learned from the best
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I stopped reading after your first point
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Hello I am an AA male and I am new to this site I was told this is where I should go to have a mature conversation about various issues. Hi everybody
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>>2779720
HEY! Welcome to our community! We can be a bit random sometimes :D but I'm sure you'll fit RIGHT in :) :)
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>>2777433
communism is failed ideology it has been tried and it doesnt work (just human nature) is capitalism perfect? No, but it works and if you are not stupid you can succeed. What people need is invent new ideologies and i mean ideologies without enemies and for humanity to go forward we need to stop blaming others for our mistakes (parents, school, women, jews,muslims, capitalists...) but after all we are on 4chan and people here need to blame others for there mistakes
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>>2777433
>The implementation of these ideologies in name only, with a cursory resemblance to the actual thing.
All modern systems are a facade. We came out of the age of blatant totalitarism to an age of a hidden one. Presidental or parliamentary democracy is a scam.
> The precedent of "human nature,"
No. It's the lack of democaracy in most implementations.
>3)
I'm happy for your moment of enlightment.
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>>2779809
>it works
It works because it doesn't give a fuck about you that's why. Communism is more complicated and has higher objectives
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