/his/, what do you think of the game Europa Universalis?

Fuck I thought I was browsing r/eu4 for a sec

no liquor

it's shit

M&T 2.0 is gonna be good. (Or not)

eu4 is too easy, they removed lots of autism and everything is just done with mana points now
also the fucking forts have been broken for a year but instead fixing them they just make more useless dlcs nobody wants

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I've been playing EU for 15 years, but I prefer CK2+HIP, I like the period and the mechanics more.

>>2776390

> they removed lots of autism

Maybe my memory is failing me, but it seems to me that EU4 is more complex than the preceding EUs?

>>2776420
it is

good game
historically very inaccurate

>>2776420
not really, they just made it more abstract and simple

eu4 culture change
>spend 100 bird mana and wait a year

eu3 culture change
>implement forced resettlement policy
>get events and population growth
>wait 50 years

now you can't even see populations

>>2776554
>culture changing
There's your problem

>>2776554
Population numbers were retarded anyway.

>>2776567
just an example of the lack of autism in my autism simulator senpai

Any historical simulation strategy game that allows you to conquer the entire world is doing something wrong.

>>2776595
Masters of the World: Geopolitical simulator

Victoria 2 is better

>>2776554
I prefer EU3, then. What about the other games like CK, Vic and HoI? Is it the newer the better for them?

>>2776966
EU3 isn't better and to be honest it is the unrealistic mess even compared to EU4.

>>2776966
CK2 >>> CK and Vic2 >>> Vic without questions. HoI4 and HoI3 are quite different, but I like HoI4 better.

>>2776595
It's obvious whoever took the picture in OP used commands, there's not enough time per game to conquer all of that.

>>2777305
People've managed to do the Three Mountains achievement even with the latest patches. By using some cheesy stuff and bugs, ofc, but without any cheats.

>>2776966
eu4 is still better despite its flaws

risk with strategy replaced by blobbing and meme history

>>2776378
>>>/r/steamcordplaza

A far inferior game to pretty much every preceding Paradox title, in particular hearts of iron 2 and 3.
I can barely maintain interest in the game for more than an hour, all the mechanics are banalized to such an extent that there is little difficulty or enjoyment to be found.

I got the game when I heard that you can play Skenderberg in it. Skenderberg really needs more attention. Why don`t you learn more about Skenderberg /his/?

>>2776375
How do I play as Byzantium without getting fucked by the eternal kebab

>>2777496
Can you recommend some non-banal games?

>>2777516
>learn more about Skenderbeg
>doesn't even know how to spell any variant of it

>>2777525
just improve relations and ally poland or hungary lmao

It's bland, shallow and easy. It's blatant how they pandered to the le minmaxer memers by creating a "grand" "strategy" "game" devoid of any actual history simulation and instead gping forth and gamifying every single mechanic they could.

>>2776420
They made it "wider" instead of "deeper" if that makes sense.

>tfw I got my Civilization-playing cousin to try out EU4 and he quit after two days because it was too hard

Colonizing is the only fun part of this game. I always pick Exploration+Expansion ideas and go to Americas as soon as possible

>>2776402
All I want out of gaming is CK2 with total war battles. Is that too much to ask? Also to have the units move in real time across the map rather than moving wonkily from territory to territory.

I could never conquer Africa in ck2 because the carrying capacity was just too low, if broken up units would be destroyed by the local armies one by one. I did islamize Britain though

>>2777525
If you're asking seriously:
Ally Poland or Hungary. Both if at all possible. In fact ally with literally everyone you can if it doesn't fuck up your chance at an alliance with one of the major players. If you get the chance (and the casus belli) to declare war on one of the minor Turkish countries in Anatolia before the eternal T*rk declares war on you, DO IT. I managed to vassalise Karaman off the bat and it took a huge chunk out of the Ottoman strength. Don't be afraid to declare on the Ottomans (provided you can call in major players), at the start their allies will be rather weak if they have any at all. Even with a combined Poland-Hungary-Serbia alliance backing me up, the first war was very difficult, so be prepared to micromanage a lot an curse the AI's stupidity even more. Early ottoman troops are hellishly overpowered. But once you reclaim your Greek cores the rest of the game is pretty much easymode, so long as you focus on destroying the Ottomans and retaking Anatolia. Took me about ten attempts to get past the first decade and the first time I succeeded I managed to fully restore the Roman Empire to its exact borders.

Why does Russia look extra big in that map?

>>2777586
See you learned something and corrected my mistake, now go and learn more about Skenderbeg.

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>>2776674
this, it is the only paradox game i have enjoyed, together with hoi4

>>2776674

I love vic 2 but it's really feeling its age at this point. I also get fucking tired of micromanaging influence to the point where I don't even enjoy playing it anymore.

I don't understand the enjoyment people find on Paradox games. I've played both CK2 and EU4 for like an hour each and I just get overwhelmed and bored out of my mind.

>>2777525
You can ally Albania and have their Skanderberg-led army attach to yours, and then you just dick around with the Ottomans in the northern greek mountains taking favorable engagements until their manpower is gone.

>>2777426
t. Reed

>>2776375
why are only australia and brazil labeled as "papal X"? Why is there no "papal africa" or "papal china"?

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>>2777537
Victoria 2 is generally loved on /gsg/, interesting time period and mechanics but not my personal favourite.

Darkest Hour is the most fun and allows the most freedom, it has tons of varied and really great mods too, pic related.

>>2777759
If it's touching your homeland it's considered part of your main territory and doesn't get a special name.

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>>2778051
The mods range from total conversions like Kaiserreich (the holy grail of mods) and the Fallout mod, to WW1 mods, Cold War mods, WW2 mods that add hundreds of events and extra diffiulty for german campaigns etc.

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>>2777537
Then there's the least banal game paradox has ever made. Hearts of Iron 3 is a bit more railroady than hoi2, not so much freedom or diplomacy but the actual warfare and planning of world war 2, supply system, naval battles, military leaders, Order of Battle and unit building is 10/10.

There are two major mods, HPP which is vanilla+ with new events, better diplomacy and general upgrades, pic related.

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>>2778093
And BlackICE which goes full autism, completely reworked combat and unit building with historical orders of battle for various nations, you can recreate the wehrmacht quite accurately with individual officers and divisions. Pretty much a nazi roleplay mod with thousand of events and tons of historical divisions, it is very difficult though and ww2 usually drags out for many years and you need to know what you are doing to beat the soviets (unlike vanilla hoi3), pic related.

>>2778122
I'm interested in complexity.

>>2776674

The only that really sucks about Vicky II is that you can support rebels in other countries. I'd gladly take an infamy hit to finance rebels a la EUIV

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>>2778130
Then I'd recommend you give hoi3 a try, definitely the most complex and ambitious game paradox has made. All the dlc is pretty much mandatory, and mods help a lot too.

Also worth looking at if you enjoy this sort of games is Grigsby War in the East for more ww2 strategy, CMANO if you like modern naval and air combat, Assault Squad 2 for ww2 tactics, Aurora 4x for full blown legit autism.

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>>2778177
Exactly my type of games. Thanks. Are you aware of TacOps?

>>2776375
I loved and played the shit out of EU3, especially with mods like MEIOU.
EU4 fails to hold me the same way tbqh, but it's still good I suppose. I think the main problem is that whereas I was a mere map painter back in the EU3 days, I can only play tall nowadays, and it's basically boredom: the playstyle in EU4.

>>2776966
CK and Vicky, sure. The new HOI was trash. Way too arcady for my taste.

I really love it, but I got the Common Sense DLC and now it runs so slow on my computer now that I barely play it.

>>2776375
Does the Kingdom of Heaven has some basis in history?

The only thing I can somewhat remember is the Borgia Pope who was very ambitious but that's it.

>>2778369
No.
In fact, the very concept of the pope as supreme temporal power went directly against the main philosophy of legitimacy in the middle ages.
Even Borgia was more about creating a state large and powerful enough to make him a player rather than any real theological imperative to empower the papacy.

>>2778425
So Paradox made it up entirely?

That's really strange because even if EU is a shitfest most of it is based on actual history.

Also, the Kingdom of God eliminates the Curia/Holy See. Wasn't there a catholic priest who wanted to eliminate the curia? I don't even remember, should have actually studied theology instead of just playing EU.

>>2778369
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States

>>2776389
pops automatically make it good.

>play kaiserreich
>conquer britain as michael collins

KR is notriously pro-commie but man does it present some neato scenarios.

>>2778069
>>2778628
Kaiserreich reaks too much of Germaboo to be appealing to me.

I want to know why it is that the UK and Germany basically signed a white peace (since neither could destroy each other) but Germany still took 99% of its overseas colonies.

There's also the whole "We have to slightly change the names of every fucking country (for example, everything is "____ state" or "____ union") for no reason" thing.

Are these games inherently hard? Or there's just a high learning curve and after one gets the hang of things they become pretty easy?

>>2776420
I've played only EU3 and EU4 so I can't talk about the previous ones. But neither game is more complex than the other in my experience, they just have different mechanics.

>>2779312
yeah, once you get it down its trivial due to incompetent ai

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They're pretty fun but they also kill me a little on the inside.

>>2779312
Once you master the mechanics it gets really easy as the AI can't put up a challenge, you have to use mods that make the AI more agressive and fuck up less

>>2778191
I have it. This "game" (if it can be called a game) is very, very outdated, but the weapons database is big and it has lots of options to make very open scenarios (unfortunately there is no AI). The Umpire tool, which allows a third player to modify the scenario in real time is what makes it stand out from all the other wargames.
Also it is very defense-sided, attacking is incredibly difficult.

>>2777680
I've only been playing vic2, eu3 and ck2 these last 7 years, i'm still not bored of playing them. They're just great games, though Vic 2 is a tad too easy.

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If you want more historical accuracy, try EU1&2. It has more events, and it's harder to do map painting because the frequency of revolts is insane.

>>2779363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3cFiWtcT4k

>>2778051
Vicky II is the shit. If Paradox doesn't try to appeal to the normies and dumb down the game a la HOI4 and make a complicated Victoria III, I will throw all my shekels at it.

>>2776375
>Kaiserreich reaks too much of Germaboo to be appealing to me.
Play as National France and teach those Kaiserboos a lesson.
>I want to know why it is that the UK and Germany basically signed a white peace (since neither could destroy each other) but Germany still took 99% of its overseas colonies.
They white peaced, then Britain had its revolution 4 years later and Germany capitalized by scavenging all the good colonies.
>There's also the whole "We have to slightly change the names of every fucking country (for example, everything is "____ state" or "____ union") for no reason" thing.
Point there.

>>2777650
Maps a rectangle, worlds a sphere

Pretty good I like HOI 4 better though

>>2776375
FUCKING COMETS GET OUT OF MY EMPIRE
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2776375
2bh

>>2778069
This might be a retarded question, but are you really expected to manually move each individual division in darkest hour/HOI 3?

>>2776674
>>2778051
>>2780169
Vicky II destroyed my ability to enjoy EU. Such an awesome game.

>>2776375
I used to think Vicky 2 is better than EU3. Dunno about EU4.

>>2780966
EU4 is good. But isn't that hard as Vicky II.

>>2776375
EU isn't very good. CK2 and Vicky 2 are THE paradox games to play

>>2778532
>pops automatically make it good.
Explain Stellaris then...

>>2780987
Stellaris is good now, it was half-done at the start (like every other paradox game).

>>2776375
I'd play these games if their dlc policies weren't so autistic. Can any players here tell me which dlc to get that are important or needed?

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>itt: people enjoying hoi4

>>2779303
Because the UK experienced a communist revolution, and Germany stepped in and took control of the colonies, so as to stop them falling into Commie hands

>>2776966
EU4 is miles better just by virtue of not having a retarded infamy mechanic.
Seriously I love Vic2 but going back to a game that uses infamy is a pain in the ass.

>>2779312
Once you get used to the different sliders and mana points you realize the games are easy and shallow.

>>2781045
I also dislike EU3 colonization system that ends up in disgusting new world borders.

>>2781048
They aren't that easy if you are not filthy save scummer or easy mod countries mainer.

>>2781035
I seriously doubt anyone actually *likes* HoI4. They just think they do and tell themselves it's a masterpiece because their favourite game dev made it.

>>2781060
EU IV literally throws monarch points (which as a gameplay concept is fucking retarded) at you. Since you do everything after generating those points, the game becomes stupid easy. Abd playing OPM's is just depebdent on luck because after you snowball past a certain point the game can do shit all to stop you.

>>2781078
Only casuals hate monarch points in favor of the money points of EU3.

>>2781087
t. paradoxplaza pro gaymur

>>2781090
It is harder to manage three resources that just single one which is all-powerful ducats.

>>2780975
Vicky isn't hard. I don't know why everyone keeps spouting this meme. Max your tarrifs and taxes for the first few years, encourage the clergy, focus on your education, start building liquor factories in the meanwhile and then proceed with the cars, phones, etc, and by 1870-80 start focusing on the clergy, and no matter the nation you're playing, you'll be the strongest.

Europa Universalis: Rome is probably the hardest Paradox game and that's because of the sheer stupidity of battles, rebels and barbarians.

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Is white guilt justified?

>>2781103
This is true, the only way where Vic2 can be hard is when you play custom map against westernized China at the start of the game and shit like that.

>>2781107
grimy savage that's what we are

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>>2781035
HoI3 was definitely better and it felt better to play it but had unnecessarily complicated mechanics and clusterfuck of UI

>>2781005

art of war is core, makes warfare much better and warfare is most of the game at its core. tHe rest are optional, but Common Sense is close to core too. The rest add depth if you like what you got from base + atow. Dont buy complete collection or content packs.

>>2776375
it is an interesting game but the UI is shit, i don't even know what the hell is going on most of the time.

>>2777305
It's really easy with the Papal States because they get massive aggressie expansion reductions from ideas and being the papal controller, and they get strong events, even permanent ones.

>>2776375
All paradox games are terrible
Only with mods do they become tolerable, and even then I need to stoke up the fires of WEWUZ to get past 1700, let's hope Demiab actually releases M&T 2.0 before killing himself as man does he sound depressed in live streams

>>2777305
>not enough to time
Do you even blue blob
By the time you unify Europe the whole world is your toy

>>2781087
>casuals hate monarch points
You dot browse /gsg/ do you

gsg, like most of the vg threads in any game
are full of shitters
they cant play for shit, so they prefer the liquor simulator where they dont need to worry about anything

sometimes they expose themselfs by crying about AE and coalitions after they blobbed into the HRE early on

>>2781753
Seriously? I was never outplayed by coalitions. The worst thing that happened to me is when state kind of gang bang on you in the middle of war aginst the other powerful state. Like what the fuck guys, can't you just wait for your turn or something?

>>2776595
Or maybe napoleon and alexander were just doing something wrong

>>2781762
They weren't immortal enough to rule their country over 500 years. Hitler has no excuse of course.

>>2781753
>don't need to worry
Sorry that my goverment actually functions in Vicky 2
Also any coalition posters is a memester from Reddit, coalitions are so easy to overcome it's just a stall
>oh no the people I'm going to annex will join a coalition
>some Italian minors will join a coalition so I'll just tell my allies not to start wars and I'll be fine
You can even turn off AI declaring war in the options m8 and still play iron man

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>>2779303
It's alternate history done well, somewhat like a reverse ww1. Instead of Russia having a revolution there happens one in France and England, with nationalist governments in exile occupying french africa and british canada. I don't blame you for being a bit sceptical on the setting, I was too, but it is honestly done in such a perfect way. Every minor nation has a whole chain of events and very well balanced goals to achieve. There is not a single boring country, and the larger ones like France, Canada, Japan, Germany, Russia, Austria, either of the Italies etc have a metric ton of events that makes for perfect roleplaying and makes sure that any two playthroughs as the same nation turns out very different.

>>2779717
>>2780169
I really want to get into Victoria: Revolutions but it keeps crashing/failing to launch, and when I asked paracuck support they basically said everyone who worked back then have left the company and no one knows how to fix it. Pls halp.

>>2780614
Yes, it's not that much work and you can group up the divisions in as large stacks as you want, usually you have 3x divisions per counter.
It does become an issue in HoI3 though since you also have to manage all the hq units, especially when playing the USSR or with mods like blackICE. The game has army ai control, but managing that is almost as much work and it does really stupid things sometimes, which is why I enjoy smaller nations where I can do everything manually like Turkey, Japan, France etc.

>>2776389
It can only be good senpai
The worst that can happen are bugs (And there aren't too many, Demian just plays the game on stream and fixes one every once in a while) and too high expectations from us (they'll be met anyway)

It's good that the DLC is so easy to pirate, because fuck paying full price to get the complete experience. Just buy the base game on Steam for cheap during a sale and pirate all the DLC.

>>2781953
Spot the communist.

>>2776567
Just play diplo games with the major powers and be ready to constantly restart your game
Trebizond is much more fun

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MEIOU 2.0 is coming out SOON

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Victoria (Broken Econ Mechanics) 2 gave me a 10/10 experience conquering all South American dictatorships
The fun thing that because I was expanding a lot many of the countries turned into either dictatorships or absolute monarchies
Not a single regret by shooting the mass republican and socialist revolts

>>2781963
Why he is a commie just because of piracy?
Spending money on important things >>>>> on the shitload of EU4 dlcs

>>2776375
Victoria II with HPM > HoI3 > Darkest Hour > HoI2 > EU3 > CK2 > EU Rome >>>>>> HoI4 >>>> EU4

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>>2782026
Commies want free stuff and to destroy free market which is the base of capitalism.

>>2781753
The only time a coalition tried to attack me was when I started to rush Italy with France.
Spain, Portugal, Naples and Great Britain attacked France
HRE, Hungary and Commonwealth attacked me.
By knowing how to bait them in the balkans they lost most of their armies to attrition and by fighting with terrain disadvantages.
10/10 italian rebels fucked me with during the French Revolution

>>2782040
Vicky 2 with HPM>EU4 with MEIOU>HOI 4/DH with Kaiserreich>CK2 with HiP>the rest

>>2782042
Who the fuck cares about "muh laws of free market"
I just wanna play the game and when I find the game good I pay them.
As I do with mods and other companies

>>2782050
> i just wanna free stuff
typical leftist ideology, lmao

>>2782019
>4.01 intellectuals

Really triggers my autism

>>2780595
>get the idea scientific revolution
>see a comet
>"MY GOD A SIGN OF THE HEAVENS! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE"

>>2780577
I would love the implementation of a pop system in HoI4
Is a 9/10 game

>>2782061
>get it for free
>pay for it only when it's actually good

vs.

>pay for it
>have to pay for it whether it's good or shit

#1 is superior in selecting for quality, which is more important than consistency.

>>2782042
Look at jewhans games when they were actually good, they made a large base game, then released a reasonable amount of expansion packs with a lot of fixes and content. Something like two large pack or as in the case of eu3 a couple more which then all got included in a complete edition. At that point the game was complete, lots of features, and modders made sure they stayed alive for years and years.

Now they regurgitate cosmetic dlc, small amounts of new content etc and charge almost what they would for a full expansion. Not to mention insignificant sales and no collections or roll-up packs. I've bought pretty much all their games and dlc's till they started this shit, now that they are going full jew and at the same time ruining my favourite franchises of all time I wont support it.

>>2782061
but I'm boycotting low quality things making the product improve if they want me to agree with the value they put on their product
are you even trying to shitpost or trashtalk?
you are going into such a ridiculous controversy

>>2782066
In the end Brazil had very well distributed population, geographically speaking.
Was a very fun and comfy game + that blobing SA and using WW1 to get more colonies from Germany was the cherry I needed for my cake

>>2782078
>pops
>in a game where campaign lasts for 10 years
This is your brain on /gsg/.

>>2782102
You know why I want (((pops)))

>>2782095
> but I'm boycotting low quality things
Not him, but you're not boycotting shit if you steal and play it.
I mean, I have nothing against piracy if you're can't afford the games, but don't try to justify it with some abstract bullshit, it's still a petty theft.

>>2782108
Just mod in Holocaust focus: -5% manpower, -10% factories output, -15% national unity.

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>>2782111
>have sneaking suspicion the new games will be garbage
>reddit babbies keep praising the new dlc into the skies, it has fixed everything and the game is good now
>only choice is to either buy 200$ of dlc or pirate it to know if it's shit or not

Keep defending shitty business practices, I for one don't regret confirming the game was in fact still shit before throwing money at a company that is actively trying to alienate the core fanbase.
I wouldn't mind paying for a good product, I've bought several copies of HoI2 just to gift to people. Stop being a fucking sheep anon, you don't have to bleat on command just because paradox tells you to. I'd pirate the base game too if I could go back in time.

>>2782120
and infrastructure -5 for overloading your supply lines

>>2782128
>pirating games to see if it's shit or not
Well, now I think of it, this is a legitimate reason too.

>>2782159
I actually bought most of the good ones after pirating and playing them.

>>2782111
Still theft but I would pay if the price were lower because I don't agree with the DLC prices.
Lowering demand by boycotting etc, still theft but by reaching my 2017-2020 saving meta(the important things I mentioned earlier)maybe I will buy just the main game. Not going to waste money with dlcs that together are almost 4x the price of the game

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>>2776375
Eh, prefer Victoria 2 and HoI 2/Darkest Hour.
Converted my recent Victoria 2 HPM playthrough save to Darkest Hour to continue, a little janky but I feel like i'm going to have fun

i only have eu3 but i like it a lot

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>>2782231
>that hungary

>>2780553
found the spherecuck.

the earth is a disc of unknown "depth"

>>2782267
Yeah I'll try fix it, I blame Romania since they have been chimping out basically non stop for 50 years

>>2780993
nah, stellaris is still completely borked. look on the forums about the combat/fleet balance. weapon tech and upgrading ships is not cost effective. the basic corvette with no upgrades/research will beat any fleet at any stage of the game when it comes to mineral for dps worth. think about that.

another component is the shittyness of the targetting balance. corvettes will always be better than battleships because the battleships can only kill 1 ship at a time. so by attacking a battleship fleet with a corvette fleet you are negating the high firepower of the battleships, because their 1-shot-kills get wasted one at a time while your corvette zerg fires faster and at more targets (cuz more ships).

can't find the thread now, but it was a couple days ago and i haven't played since because of it. also end game shit like the unbidden and other crises are pointless because the ai isn't at "war" so it sits there not doing jack shit until hostiles enter their space. could have been a great game, but there's too many fundamental problems with it

>>2782019
>>2782066
The Brazilian Empire, while not a Great Power, was in the path to becoming one. It's a very interesting time period to study

>>2782377
I'm a enthusiast of the Imperial model. I have a shitload of texts, historical, social, psychological, to back my claim but always the claim of "the status quo is better" is used.
If you need some books I can recommend some, on history obviously.

>>2780603
Literally what the fuck did you do? I'm one of those people who constantly post reminders that border gore is historical but good god that is a hideous map.

>>2781005
1. Art of War
2. Common Sense
3. Cossacks
IMO those are the DLC that most fundamentally change the game for the better.

>>2781878
Overcoming coalitions is pretty fun though. Restoring Rome involved steamrolling Western Europe after securing the Eastern Mediterranean, and that meant constantly being at war with the first nation to join a coalition against me at all times for about a century when I could confidently take on every country in Europe and win.

>>2777633
I know how it feels, man. It blows my mind that people think EUIV is difficult or confusing. I want to show those sorts of people Vicky

>>2777621
Yes, actually.

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Formed germany but struggled a lot against ottomans. Luckily they got overrun by rebels lmao

>>2782527
Feels pretty good when I actually get why all of these are funny.

Also best fun I had with Ottomans was dragging them into a true hellwar as Poland after getting the PU on Lithuania. Managed to fuck the Ottomans so hard that their monthly debt repayment was more than their gross income, basically removing them from the map until they finally went bankrupt a century later.

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>>2782544
Somebody will always annoy you, when you stopped the ottomans, russia will take over. If you prevent both france or austria will take over. Hell, maybe sweden forms scandinavia, or spain takes all of italy.

>>2782585
The trick is to club Russia to death in its infancy. The Western powers have each other to fight with but everything East of Moskva is basically free land.

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>>2782111
Turns out pirates actually do buy games when they don't suck. DLC as well. If companies released functional demos and actually had a semblance of quality control we wouldn't pirate as much, but as it stands I'd much rather try before I buy.

I'd be more alright with it if it gave cultures and countries more flavor events. For instance, when playing Saxony, barely anything the game does makes me feel like I'm playing a German state with a unique culture. Just feels generic.

>>2782904
What if you implement oktoberfest? You pay some gold each year and get some moral or something in return

anyone wanna play EU IV mp with me? i have 2000+ hours played.

Kulshedra AL

>>2780603
Damn get a load of Hungary and Georgia. Which country did you start as?

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>>2782019
The empires, Pahdro.

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My autism likes roleplaying as characters in CK2 more than trying to be a personified nation in EU
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HPD3CSQ_fCC0Atw6k5Gkaj7u541oDFrttkhjb86QVaE/edit?usp=sharing
>36,811 words

How would one transition from EU4 to Vicky 2?

Is it just another case of not knowing the fuck I'm doing until something clicks?

>>2781142
grimey shooters dressed in g-star

>>2783198
>Is it just another case of not knowing the fuck I'm doing until something clicks?

That's pretty much the jist of every paradox game anon

>>2781035
HOI4 is a great entry level game.

Someone who masters HOI4 will easily slip into the rest of GS.

>>2783245
Darn, I was hoping knowing the other games might help a bit.

Suggestions to start?

What is the Ireland of Vicky 2? aka, the place where relatively nobody will fuck with me in a big way for a while or things will be easy while teaching me mechanics?

>>2783198
There are tutorials on youtube

>>2783277
Japan or maybe America would be good for that, but as America you have to deal with Mexico.

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>>2783166
>king spurdo the seducer

>>2783166
Is there any mod for CK2 that makes certain focii less ludicrously overpowered? I mean really, being able to imprison vassals basically for free is ludicrously OP, being able to impregnate literally every notable woman in the realm is ludicrously OP, and if I'd played recently I'm sure I'd remember ways in which the others were OP too. I mean don't get me wrong, being a grand master seducer is fun for a bit, but it really does wear off and become silly rather quickly.

Also interfaith marriages when? Trebizond proves that it happened, even if it was highly unusual, but in game it's just a flat no no matter the circumstances.

>>2783277
Prussia

>>2783540
>being a grand master seducer is fun for a bit, but it really does wear off and become silly rather quickly.
Especially when a few of your vassals are doing it.

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>Tfw no proper grand strategy game set during Classical Antiquity. Dont mention EU Rome.

>>2783622
EU:Rome runs on the EU3 engine, right?

>>2783622
Just play an extended timeline mod

>>2783622
there was a classical period mod for EU3, but it died out before being completed.

I desperately want to play on a world map in the ancient world. I think it's retarded having the map just stop dead in pakistan/3rd of india.

>B-BUT they couldnt effect anything outside of the traditional borders of these games! no way is anyone crossing the atlantic or rounding africa in this period either!

I dont give a fuck. EU3 would have been perfect for it, because galleys couldn't go in the open ocean "terrain" , and early naval attrition was brutal on galleys. Play with the numbers a little, and it becomes "theoretically" possible, but wickedly costly and not worth it to "explore".

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volatiles nightmare update soon...

>>2783622
Just play Imperium Universalis mod instead.

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>>2784049
Can anyone actually run that mod, besides the creator?

>>2784053
Ya its only europe so its not that bad plus apparently the creator says he can run it on a chrome book but I don't believe him.

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The games good. Playing with a friend currently fighting off the Ottomans while we are the Hungarians and Polish. Feels good.

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>>2784130
>I don't know what's

>>2776375
Institutions and Corruption were a mistake

>>2783092
tunisia, then gobbled up morocco, mamluks, then grabbed sicily, then the rest

i had the 1356 start so it was a bit easy

>>2784050
this as fuck

>>2776402
HIP is great, just a shame about the performance hit, but worth it.

I'd like to see future iterations of CK2 or even CK3 deal with owning lands in more than one realm, or having more than one liege, or being a vassal for part of your lands etc.

>>2777640
This would be great, problem with paradox warfare is its just a giant meat grinder based primarily on numbers, 10,000 men can't rout 20,000 as happened historically and it's far to easy to conquer and maintain an army in the field.

>>2782725
>If companies released functional demos and actually had a semblance of quality control we wouldn't pirate as much
This. What happened to distributing free demos so we can try before we buy ?

>>2784497
While this is true-ish for evenly matched nations, it's really not difficult to stack bonuses to the point where 10 000 can take on 20 000. Early game hordes attacking on flat terrain with a decent shock general and an all-cav army will pretty much always do this, late-game Prussia will pretty much always do this, any mid-game nation that went for both quality and offensive ideas will do this, and any colonial power will do this. That's in EU4. In CK2 you just need to spend a few generations instituting a family-wide military education policy for male children. When I was playing my meme-ridden Greek can into India game, I basically sat isolated on an island for 2 centuries developing my holdings and making sure that all the tutors for every male child in my family were military geniuses. Rode out of that place with 7000 men and conquered a de facto empire within a single lifetime because having every flank led by a 28+ skill general and every division led by a 25+ skill one gives a ridiculous bonus, which coupled with good troop composition and picking battles carefully can make even a relatively tiny army unstoppable.

>>2784497
Play Prussia and stack Military ideas. Then meme anyone who looks at you wrong.


Also it's very possible for a defender to route numbers 5x their size in Victoria 2

>>2777612
It's the new
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isn't it.

>>2783277
Brazil

>>2781148
Should I get HoI3 or Darkest hour? I have a lot of experience with HoI4.

>>2783277
>America
Tutorial island, teaches basic game mechanics
>Japan
Easy to westernize and develop due to high literacy rate, it's a good intro to uncivs in general
>Prussia
Fairly safe way to learn about spheres and diplomacy
>Brazil
Good way to learn how to turn backwater shithole civilized nations into powers

>>2776375
I prefer Vic II

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Grand Strategy games seem extremelly complicated. I'm gonna stick to Total War for now

>>2785934
They are not.

>>2785938
I tried Hearts of Iron
the tutorial alone was like 20 minutes and i still couldnt figure out much of whatss going on
plus i like seeing phyisical units in the map insteead of just numbers

>>2785729

The Netherlands is a fairly good learning school if you want to learn about colonization and diplomacy. You can even become a Great Power mid to late game (managed this on my first Vic2 playthrough).

>>2779312
eu4 is confusing until you realize all you do is annex things and sit around and wait to annex things. There's literally nothing else to do.

>>2783198
Victoria 2 is a lot more fun since you win the game without ever fighting a single war. I would recommend first playing as Brazil or US to understand the basics of the economy and core mechanics. You'll burn through manpower much faster than Eu4 if you arent careful.
Eventually you'll find that prussia and japan are the most fun to play as and you'll download the Historical Project mod and you will never want to play eu4 again.

I wish they added stuff to do while not at war. I want to build my country through other ways than expanding too

>>2786585
CK2 has this. Especially with conclave. If you like realm management don't believe the EU4kids about conclave. They hate it because it takes the focus out of blobbing to realm management and vassal-ruler relations. They want all paradox games to be EU4 "x-edition".

>>2785942
You started with the most complicated one. EU4 is probably the easiest to start with.

>>2786577
talex

>>2777667
>hoi4
Its hot garbage right now. Its only current redeeming quality is a pretty entertaining multiplayer. In two or three years it will be an ok game.

>>2785942
I assure you Europa Universalis is not too complicated. Having to manage a country without understanding all the ins and outs makes for a more realistic experience anyway.

>>2786725
People didn't like it because of Shattered retreat and coalition wars.

>>2786577
It's way too easy to unify Germany with Prussia in Vic 2 and once you're Germany your literaly unstoppable you can take Europe like it's nothing.

>>2787484
You can turn those off in the options

>>2776375
It can be shit at times. The AI is stupid and you just feel like its a "Paint the world" game instead of you actually making history. If the AI was smarter and you could interact with them more and make the world feel lived in it would be a good game and worth while putting time into it.

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>>2783928
Look up Imperial Rivalries on github, I'm sure that it'll scratch that itch.

>>2785673
3

>>2787911
You can turn off shattered retreat but armies still retreat after losing 10 troops, and then every subsequent battle loses 0 troops bwcause they flee

>>2785934
they're not, and Total war is a grand strategy, Gs does not just mean paradox game
eu4 alone is easy