Space Race

the soviets were the hare that made it to the very end then took a nap
the americans are the turtle that followed that path and crossed the finish line (landed on the moon)

>>2776057
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>>2776068
Tripcodes are still pretty much anonymous

It makes sure nobody usurps your posts

>>2776068

Tripfags are obnoxious but this is far more so.

They won the space race in the same way nazi germany won the second world war

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>>2776127
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>>2776057
There is only one flag that's careening outside the solar system and it's not the Soviets'.

>>2776061
Hilarious moving the goalposts like this

Space race, race into space. You know who got into space first? USSR

Some runt is going to say one day "well akshully the US gave up halfway while we won the race by starting a Mars colony"

I'm not even trying to favour one side, these are the facts.

>>2776057
Your university paper is asking who won the space race? That seems like a really immature way to word the problem. Just write some bullshit about how Amerikkka is racist and evil and the wonderful communist Soviet Union was the real hero. Your professor will eat it up.

>>2776072
Faggot

>>2776212
>The space race ended with the start of the space race
???

>First retrograde launch
>First lander on Venus
>First lander on Mars

Add these

>>2776311
but going to the moon is waaay harder than just orbiting the earth

>>2776339
Alright mate you won the man-on-the-moon race instead of the space race

Happy?

>>2776057
Its less like a race and morel ike high jump. Each competitor seeks to raise the bar to a point the can reach but their opponent cannot

The americans did this with the moon, they raised the bar and the soviets could match it

Every achievement the soviets made elsewhere was matched or mirrored by the US

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>>2776212
> You know who got into space first? USSR
Space is arbitrary defined anyway.

>>2776340
i am a german, i didn't win anything (unless you consider Werner von Brauns contributions to moonshot).

Anyways, my point is, Americans managed to do something that the Soviets were unable to reproduce (to this day)

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>>2776342
>w-w-well you see it's not REALLY a race to space, it's more of uhh, a high jump! And the finish line keeps moving because I say the race isn't over!

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Looks like Russia won in the end as Shuttles aren't used anymore.

>>2776346
Yes that's very nice, but it's not the space race

>>2776348
There was never a defined agreed on goal. The americans picked the moon because it seemed like a logical step but there was and is no clear end point

In reality the space didnt end it just fizzled out when both parties stopped caring very much about pursuing it

>>2776351
flying to the moon is not space race?

>>2776355
Imagine two people racing to an infinitely tall tree

The first person touches the tree first
The second person arrives later, but climbs up a few branches

The second person declares that he has won the race to the tree

>>2776361
i think the problem is that nobody defined the exact rules of the race
but the fact that Americans managed to do something that Soviets couldn't replicate shows that they won the race

>>2776361
He climbed higher than the other person has ever been able to climb and both parties stopped trying

Person 2 really did win

>>2776369
>>2776366
No reasoning with you people, no doubt the same type who think the US won the Vietnam war

>>2776372
USA won the space race but lost Vietnam war

>>2776072
Fuck off trip code using cunt.

>>2776135
Ur joking right. U know the moon is in our solar system right.

>>2776057
The real winner was scientific progress

>>2776057

It isn't over yet. Russia had a strong start, now America is the leading nation, but it could be China who takes the next big step (permanent off-world colonies) and it will probably be a "United Earth" which tackles the real challenge of travelling to another star.

>>2776057
I think who won the space race is just a dick waving contest, the space race showed more than anthing that monopolies on power become stagnant, competition between nations of roughly equal power makes our lives better.

I'm sick of contrarian Western kids idealising the Soviet shithole. Yes, yes, comrades, they won the space race, they beat the fascists, such wins, great system. Hail Trump, amirite?

>>2776057
No one cares who crosses the 90 yard line in the 100 yard dash.

America won. We got to the Moon.

>>2776212
>Space race, race into space

I don't believe the space race was ever defined as this. Got a source?

>>2776412
The Voyager probe has a US flag on it, dipshit.

>>2776412
to stupid to live to retarded to kill voyager he's talking about the probe that left the solar system

>>2776448
So why isn't it called the moon race?

>uh-uh-uh well you see, when people say 'space' they really mean 'moon'

>>2776439
Soviets weren't 100% bad, unlike Nazi scum.

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>First human space mission that landed with pilot still in spacecraft and thus technically completing the first complete human spaceflight

b-but muh gagarin

>>2776452
It's just a name, u fucking cheese dick. Landing on the Moon is a way bigger feat

>>2776057
Kek, I bet you forgot to change your tripcode. Don't worry, that usually happens to fags.

>>2776452
"Space Race" sounds better.

>>2776467
So if someone lands a person on Mars the race suddenly starts again and the last race never ended at all, meaning nobody 'won' until then.

Amazing logic

>>2776483
Putting a human being on the Moon was always understood to be the finish line during the race itself; else why would the Soviets have tried (and failed) so hard to get there first?

The race to get a man on the Moon was the last time anyone put emphasis on getting anywhere or doing anything first. Ergo, it was the end goal.

>>2776346
>i am a german, i didn't win anything
You guys built the first object to reach the Karman line and go into space.

>>2776483
No, the space race is over now. The Americans won. They're also the one country that actually survived to this day.

>>2776488
'The race to get a man on Mars was the last time anyone put emphasis on getting anywhere or doing anything first. Ergo, it was the end goal.'

I'm not going to bother any further

>>2776494
Are you implying the space race couldn't be won because space is indefinitely big?

>Soviets do something first
>Americans replicate it a month later

>Americans do something first
>Soviets replicate is a month later

>Americans go to the moon
>Soviets do nothing

Yeah...

>>2776057
Soviets win the "gave the most fucks about Venus" award.

>>2776594
American sorcerers made a powerful curse that makes Mars unreachable for Russians. The last probe to Phobos showed that the curse still works, and I'm not sure if Americans themselves are able to lift it.

USA. USSR gets a participation award, though.

>>2776057
>USSR has a giant lead at first with Sputnik and whatnot
>us catches up and overtakes them by landing on the moon
>soviets begin collapsing before they ever get near that point

Space race never ended, heaps more shit to do.

Both participants just stopped running though.

>>2776057
Americans have advanced computers.
Soviets have strong spaceships.
Imagine if the two powers cooperated at that time, we would've gotten to Mars for sure.

What would have happened if the N1 had worked and the Soviets had made lunar landings in the early 1970s? Mars would have become the finish line?

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>>2776713
> Imagine if the two powers cooperated at that time

>>2776509
>Russians send people in space to this very day
>Americans do nothing
Yeah...

>>2776061
More like the tortoise got help from the nazi pig.

>>2776133
That's the stupidest fucking image in the history of /his/. It makes no sense.

>>2776072
Makes sure that everyone filters you reddit ass*

>>2776361
That's autistic. Its like saying that a marathon runner is more of a winner than some sprinter

>>2776439
S-stop talking about all the good things about the USSR,here have some free market

>>2776467
How is putting one man on the moon more important than everything else the Soviets did ?

>>2776488
Everything about your reply is just wrong

>>2776350
More like one country realized they still don't have to use tech from the 70s

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>Russia beats them for first manned flight several months ahead
>US tries to recover by toting Shepard as "FIRST FREE MAN IN SPACE"

>>2776839
>implying the Soviets didn't either

>>2777009
I like how the commies ITT completely ignore this

>>2777766
They weren't wrong.

>>2776346
>failed to reproduce
To be fair the USSR was leading the way the entire time, they very well could have been first on the moon if it hadn't been for a mechanical failure that lead to their rocket exploding and destroying the launch site in central asia. This delayed them by 1-2 years and gave the americans time to snatch the prize, and once the americans had gotten to the moon there really was no reason for the soviets to do the same. Space programs are fucking expensive, and it had lost its prestige and propaganda value.

>>2778283
>winning race
>trip and fall through your own incompetence
>lose race
>tankies cry years later that you won even though you never crossed the finish line
Sounds about right

>>2778300
I never mentioned winning or losing, just arguing the fact that they wouldn't have had any issue recreating the moon landing if there had been political will to do it, this in contrast to the rednecks who claim they were unable to.

>>2778338
>I never mentioned winning or losing, just arguing the fact that they wouldn't have had any issue winning in Vietnam if there had been political will to do it, this in contrast to the liberals who claim they were unable to
This is what you sound like.

>>2776361
It's more like the race to climb an infinitely tall tree.

The red racer has an early lead
Eventually the blue racer catches up, hitting all the same branches red racer did
Then blue racer surpasses red racer
Red racer doesn't catch back up but instead suffers cardiac arrest and dies
Blue racer keeps climbing but at a much slower pace

Who won the race?

>>2778342
That is absolutely true though, what point are you trying to make?

>>2777009
1960s failure rates:
US
>28%
USSR
>78%

1970's
US
>4%
USSR
>42%

1980's
US
>0%
USSR
>37%

1990's
US
>16%
Russia
>100%

2000-present
US
>5%
Russia
>100%

All time
US
>15%
USSR/Russia
>63%

Remember that only way to put people in space now is with the soyuz

>>2778701
1. Literally not true.
2. If there was no Soyuz NASA would still send astronauts to space with their own old spaceships.
3. But there's no need to, since there's Soyuz. So they can take their time to develop new spaceships. Like the Orion, which has already made its first flight to a very high orbit. But it's developed for lunar missions, and sending crews to the ISS is supposed to be a job for private companies like SpaceX.

>>2778438

>1980's
>US
>0%

Ever hear of the Challenger?

>>2779156
>u n m a n n e d

>>2776057
Humanity.

The space race was the US and the USSR trying to shift the super power dick measuring to a friendlier subject. Yes, the USSR hit the mile stones first, but its not like anyone was throwing up a flag and saying "I claim this in the name of ...", we put flags up to rub it in each others face that they were second.

It was a dick measuring contest, there was no finish line, that's why its The Space Race, and not the Race to Space or Race to the Moon.

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>>2776452
Because it's a RACE THRU SPACE

>>2777009

The soviet missions to venus are by far my favorite.

>The Venera 9 and 10 landers had two cameras each. Only one functioned because the lens covers failed to separate from the second camera on each lander. The design was changed for Venera 11 and 12, but this change made the problem worse and all cameras failed on those missions.

>Venera 13 and 14 were the only landers on which all cameras worked properly; although unfortunately, the titanium lens cap on Venera 14 landed precisely on the area which was targeted by the soil compression probe.

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>mfw people think American Pigshits and Russian Rapists won the space race.

Got good news boys Nazi Germany did.

>Created V2 Rocket,the first rocket to reach sub-orbital flight.
>Americunts took Nazi scientists back to Burger land and put them into NASA during Operation paper clip

>Russian CCCP did the same thing.

Btfo

>>2777323

Because even today Russia isn't able to accomplish a moon landing, while the US far surpassed any meaningful accomplishment the Soviets did by the time they landed on the moon.

>>2781047

Oh, and that's also the reason why the Space Race ended at the moon landing, because the Russians weren't able to continue it.

>>2776827
>>Americans do nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoailiPGTZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV55f_CgsJA

>>2776057

>Space Race
>Race

This terminology and the autistic manner it's applied literally to the situation is the problem. It was a "race". It was a dick measuring contest. The Russians may have gotten fully erect first, but that's only because the US had 3 more inches to grow by the time Russia peaked.

Arguing the Russians won the space race is like arguing they won the nuclear arms race because they made more bombs and the bombs were bigger. If money wasn't an object, no one would take Russia's numerous and big, but stupid bombs over the US'.

>>2776057
The Russians won, the US moved the goalpost all the way to the moon
If you want to be autistic then the Germans won

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You win if you establish a self sufficient colony on another planet. So far this race is open and may see no winner at all.

>>2781046
Those Germans you're so eager to ballwash based their work what the American rocket scientist Robert Goddard pioneered decades earlier. He published groundbreaking rocket patents in 1919 when Wernher von Braun was only 7 years old. He was making liquid-fuel engines by 1921 when the idea of Nazis taking over Germany was still a twinkle in Hitler's eye.

>At the time, Germany was highly interested in American physicist Robert H. Goddard's research. Before 1939, German scientists occasionally contacted Goddard directly with technical questions. Wernher von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat (A) series of rockets. The A-4 rocket would become well known as the V-2.[28] In 1963, von Braun reflected on the history of rocketry, and said of Goddard's work: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles."[11]

"Don't you know about your own rocket pioneer? Dr. Goddard was ahead of us all."
- Wernher von Braun, on being questioned about his WW2 rocket designs

>>2776057
The Soviets more or less gave up on one-upping the Americans after it became clear they couldn't reach the moon and refocused on space stations instead. They also couldn't manage to build a working space shuttle, so there's also that.

>>2776352
This.

The goal of the USSR to get into space was to prove that there is no haven and no god.
Of course nowadays peasants don't actually claim haven to be a place in the sky exactly because of the space program, its now a place outside reality.
Shame they paid so much money only for religious people to move the goalpoast.

>>2776452
Probably because the moon is in space, genius.

>>2779178
And the Venus probe was manned?

>>2776483
Landing on the moon would absolutely upstage the moon landing.

But considering the Soviet Union collapsed years ago, it couldn't very well be part of the space race. A NEW space race is totally legitimate if we get new players.

>>2778283
Not if the Russians kept working with the N1 they couldn't. They needed Saturn V level boost power to reach the moon and the N1 just couldn't cut it.

>>2782627
How is it religious peoples' problem that the Soviets blew millions on trying to beat up a strawman?

>>2782649
It wasn't a strawman back in the day, people literally expected the first astronauts to see the havens when they exit the planet's atmosphere.

Read some contemporary literature, there were even atheists scared of what might be seen out there and the implications.

>>2782654
How many people exactly?

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>>2776057
>I have an important university paper on the matter.

Since OP considers 4chan a source of some merit, maybe he should just give his Professor some pictures of Uranus.

>>2782669
I read a lot of old publications, some historians, essayists, science fiction authors and reviewers, and magazines for publishing science fiction stories had editorials mentioning it.

I remember a very popular book, The Greeks by H. Kitto, had in its earlier editions the author comparing Britain to Athens and USSR to Sparta, saying that even though the USSR's modern economy will outgrow Britain, and its citizens will enjoy a lot of new technology and efficient cities and education and so on, Britain will remain free and democratic despite that. Basically this excellent british historian was pretty sure the USSR us technocratic rule of engineers and headed for success.

When you read old stuff you see how people thought back in the day, and its much different than what we assume they thought.

>>2776057
The space race just ended. It wasn't a literal race. There were no checkpoints or a list of "firsts" or points being given.

>>2782677
But if you want to be super exact USSR was ahead of USA from 1957 to about 1966 then Americans were more dominant until 1975 and the joint Apollo-Soyuz mission which was a sign of detente. This is when I usually like to end the classical period of space exploration.

>>2782675
That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that the soviets would have been challenging a babushka-tier understanding of Christian cosmology. Their conclusions would have been mocked by the goddamn medieval church for being retarded, and that was prior to the invention of telescopes.

>>2782692
Yeah, 0.03% of the medieval church, and maybe 1.8% of the mid 20th century church.
It honestly was a very popular thing to think and say, that god is in the havens, and its just above the sky.
Read some older literature, magazines, look shit up in a library or archive.

The first thing the USSR did when they got a man into space was print a lot of postcards and stamps with Gagarin and a caption saying "no god here" or some such.
I actually have a badge and a postcard of that somewhere home among all my collectable garbage.

>>2782627
I feel really sorry for how retarded you happen to be. Life is unfair.

>>2782695
So did the soviets not understand they were attacking one of the dumber bits of popular religion or was it all just an easy sucker punch for the sake of propaganda? Honestly curious about the mentality behind this.

>>2782632
No. So?

>>2782700
Do you not understand that they defeated an argument that was on everyone's lips?
You continue to assume mid 20th century people had the same information and mindset as people today do. This simply wasn't the case.
It was a great victory for them, probably the only one the communist party ever scored against religion.

>>2782700
There was no such mentality, the anon you're talking to fell for stupid modern memes.

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>>2782709
If you lived east of Berlin, you are aware of this popular poster.

>>2782704
And do you not understand that attacking a widely-spread misunderstanding means jack shit? Tons of people believe the Jewish sabbath was changed to Sunday somewhere in the Bible, but they're demonstratably wrong. Pointing that out and declaring it destroys the legitimacy of Christianity as a whole is stupid.

>>2782719
All this seems to imply is that religiously-uneducated soviet citizens were susceptible to the idea. The west probably thought the whole thing was hilarious.

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>>2782720
Christianity is a wide spread misunderstanding, 99% of people have no fucking clue about church doctrine.

>>2782728
"The west" was equally unaware of what official christian doctrine is, and remains so today.
If anything, christianity is changing to accommodate the wide spread misunderstanding of it, rather than fix it.

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Those posters are really hard to find online.

>>2782719
I live in Moscow. I have relatives who remember that time, and the flight. I have of course seen this 1975 poster in the Internet, but I don't know anyone who's seen it irl. Seems like it was pretty rare.

>>2782731
I notice that you've put forward your assertion repeatedly but with no evidence besides "well I read it somewhere." Perhaps it would stengthen your argument that this wasn't a load of soviet memery if you rectified that?

>>2782741
It was painted on a factory on Romania I saw, and I've seen it framed in Bulgaria in a library.

>>2782732
Also, all these posters aren't about literal God in the lateral heaven in the sky, they are about science prevailing over religion.

>>2782743
I noticed this is 4chan, and that I won't write a 50 page essay complete with scans from the communist party documentation to make a post.
Take it or leave it, I am not paid to educate you, nor am I selling anything. I just noticed people didn't mention atheism in a space race thread, and its weird since the space race replaced religion in the USSR, and was a weapon of state pushed atheism.

>>2782751
It was used for atheism propaganda, but not in the way you're saying. Nobody expected Gagarin to see God up there, and nobody was surprised that he didn't see him. Also, Gagarin probably was religious himself.

>>2782751
>make assertions
>can't back them up with even a wikipedia link

I already knew about how the soviets used Yuri's flight for the whole no-gods bit, but always assumed it was because it would work on their peasant masses, or even that the party itself had a hilariously simplistic understanding of religion. I would have been fine with ammending that save for the whole "we've had telescopes for literal centuries in the west" thing, and the fact you've so far bothered to show evidence for approximately 0% of your thesis.

>>2782765
Next you're going to say that Christianity was not outlawed on the USSR.

>>2782793
I honestly can't tell if you're memeing or not. In case you're serious, no, it was not.

>>2776057
Well the only thing the US did first was land a person on the moon

The US won the moon race but the soviets won the space race

The Soviets had a bunch of impressive firsts. Until about the 70s. Then the USA kept on going, and going, and going, and going.

Now the USA has sent probes to every planet, and pluto. we have landed on moons of other planets. we discovered hundreds if not thousands of planets around other stars. Our space station is bigger. we actually used our space shuttle. Our rockets can land vertically and be reused.

>>2784210
>we have landed on moons of other planets.
Huygens was European.

>>2784237
It got there on Cassini, an American spaceship.

Russia got into space first so so 'won' the space race technically but also it's true that entering space is literally the easiest part . You can reach the limit of the atmosphere in an aeroplane or balloon. it's really not impressive tech wise

reaching, landing and returning from the moon is much more of an accomplishment

>>2784210
communism worked until the 70s (when the USA sabotage began )

>>2784210
To be fair, it's called the International Space Station. Some components are European but most are American and Russian.

Zarya was the first core module sent into orbit, built and flown there by Russia. It was the heart of the station for years. Zvezda was the third module put in orbit, again built and flown by Russia. It's the station's backbone and provides life support systems and living quarters.

>>2784263
daily reminder that the collapse was orchestrated by the collaborative effort between CIA and the Jesuits using muslim autism bombs

>>2784260
>You can reach the limit of the atmosphere in an aeroplane or balloon.
You can't. First of all, there's no "limit of the atmosphere", it just gradually becomes thinner and thinner. There's the arbitrarily defined boundary at 100 kms, which is tied to the Karman line - the altitude where an aeroplane would need to move at an escape velocity to stay flying, so it stops being an aeroplane and becomes a spaceship no matter what. But no aeroplane without rocket engines has ever reached that altitude, the record is somewhere around 40 kms, same for balloons.

I guess Russia won in the long run, because NASA got budget cut to death.

>>2776072
What are cracked tripcodes?

>>2786824
Dude, it seems you aren't even remotely aware of what's been going on in Russia for the last 25 years. NASA sends probes to Pluto, robots to Mars, is developing new spaceships and going to launch a new huge orbital telescope. Russian space is in literal stagnation.

>>2786824
It's exactly the opposite because Soviets had to drop from the race (well slow down considerably at least). From the mid 60s USA was leading it.

>>2786934
But NASA uses russian shit to do that. They are cooperating now.

>>2776509
Russians were planning to launch man on moon before the Americans did, but as is Russian tradition the spacecraft exploded.

Only thing in the space race when one side did something that was other side deemed as impossible for them was probably the Lunochod mission.

>>2787828
No, except buying some of the rocket engines, they do it on their own.

>>2788124
>no, except the main part of it

>>2788146
>I don't know how space exploration works

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>>2788146
>rockets are the main part of space exploration
wew

>>2784270
the USA paid russia to do that. just to keep their space program going and to get it done faster.

>>2776072
Autism