Ripley's Holocaust: Fact or Fiction?

>>2765280
>This fucking thread again

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>>2765280

>>2765291
>first photo is clearly photoshoped
>dumb stormfags believe it's the original one
How disingenuous can you be?

>>2765297
Can you imagine how monstrously autistic you'd have to be to get so butthurt about a troll to create that gigantic spergy infographic?
>Great, then you wont mind me debunking this whole image!
I don't even disagree with it, but this is just pure reddit cringe.

>>2765297
Haha tell the one about the Death Coaster that one cracks me UP!

>>2765291
I'd love to see the source of the "original," like the paper it was supposedly published in

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>>2765305
Yep, and I bet kikefags like you think the photo on the right is the original.

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>>2765329
Dolf writes mein kampf, hahhah no way would he try and kill all the jews, what an out there accusation.

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>>2765329
You can even see fences with barbed wire on this photo. Yup, real seekers of truth.

>>2765334
>frog poster

post disregarded

>>2765337
Oh, and apparently the source of this photo is a fucking TV show Ghost Adventures.

>There are no dumb ques-

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>>2765337
Your point? There were barbed wires in the original train crash in Dresden, Ohio as well.

>>2765280
You people are autistic. There are multiple threads already on this board with people debunking your shitty infographics. Go look at them

>>2765410
>people debunking your shitty infographics

lol. That's what you think. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>2765357
I don't see any barbed wires here.

>>2765419
>lol
Why is it only people from /pol/ who say lol? You lot stand out like the biggest newfag teens yet you don't even realise it

>>2765440
not him but, lol nice ad hom bro.

>>2765440
Not an argument

>>2765434
Of course you don't

>>2765357
>his stupid fake got debunked
>still continuing this farce

>>2765444
>>2765445
There's nothing to argue. Stop making multiple threads about your Jewish head-canons and read the ones that already exist

>>2765452
"ur stupid lol"

"stop telling me how my arguement is shit".

For the record I think anyone who denies the holocaust is a fucking brainlet.

>>2765457
Prove the holocaust happened then. Give me facts that can be cited. That are not testimonies.

>>2765457
>brainlet detected

>>2765471
I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there. - SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning

For Operation Barbarossa, initially four Einsatzgruppen were created, each numbering 500–990 men to comprise a total force of 3,000.

What was their purpose?, why did goring speak frankly about the holocaust?

>>2765471
You've already come to your own conclusions and just want a confirmation of your bias. If you sincerely want to prove to yourself it did happen, stop being a lazy nigger and search for the evidence for yourself. You can start by looking at the archive and catalog of this board and see past arguments made. Many have tried to reach out to you people but it's like pissing into an ocean

>>2765491
To play the innocent card to get out of a prison sentence

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>>2765491
Was that quote before, during or after the Nuremberg trials?

>>2765498
After I believe.

>>2765492
What I hate is there is never any actual evidence presented in any thread regarding the holocaust, neither supporting or denying the Holocaust. It is always just memes. I've tried going online to research for myself but everything I try to look up, its nothing but either Jewish Deformation league labeling everything as anti Semitic or something sponsored by Stormfront. Thats why I came here.

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>>2765280
What was the purpose of the 3 Einsatzgruppen units (each consisting of 500-1000 members of the SS and Gestapo) during Operation Barbarossa? How were these units different than the Wehrmacht's Security Divisions (Sicherungs-Divisionen) and Guard Units (Landesschützen)?

Why would Jews inflate the number of holocaust victims when reparations paid by West Germany after the war were based on the number of survivors and not the number killed?

What did SS and nazi officials in internal memos mean by the word "Special Treatment" (Sonderbehandlung) regarding jews in their custody?

Upon liberation of Auschwitz, it was discovered that in the camp, nazis had bagged and stored 2000 kilograms of shorn hair. How did the nazis get all this hair and why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?

How could the prisioners at the Bergen-Belsen be starving to death when 3 km away the food stores for the camp contained "600 tons of potatoes, 120 tons of tinned meat, 30 tons of sugar, upwards of 20 tons of powdered milk; cocoa, grain, wheat and other foodstuffs." Why was this food withheld from the starving prisioners?

If the Jews were evacuated "to the East" rather than being exterminated in Poland, what happened to them? Why have so many family members of those "evactuated" never heard from their loved ones again? Wouldn't they try to make some contact in the past 70+ years?

>>2765501
You weren't looking hard enough.

>>2765501
Try this out, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

There are thousands of guards, and survivors who claim the holocaust is real, none of the higher ups denied it, very few nazi's deny it.

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>>2765507
uhhhh.. ohhh. . Oh vey?

>>2765512
Why did almost every single nazi ever tried for their involvement in the holocaust use the defense that they were just following orders?

You would think if it was all made up, at least a couple of them would argue that the events they have allegedly taken place in never occurred.

>>2765500
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html

>>2765520
hey buddy, these >>2765507 should be very easy questions to answer for an event that never occurred.

>>2765520
Why didn't they recant in the 60's then?

>>2765520
The war ended 75 years ago. High ranking nazis and guards at the camps aren't being kept silent by torture or being killed in 2017.
The few that are left are old and will be dead anyday now. Yet they all still declare that the Holocaust happened.

>>2765529
>High ranking nazis and guards at the camps aren't being kept silent by torture or being killed in 2017.

You do realize that it's against the law in Europe to question the narrative of the holocaust right?

>>2765527
Or any time in the past 70+ years?

Surely more than of the 8 million nazis interrogated in the year after the war would have spoke up about their torture.

>>2765512
My guess is that they lied to get out of being hanged.

>>2765536
That doesn't make sense, "did you kill jews and shit"

"Yeah holocaust was real I killed them" ok we'll let you go?

as opposed to nah it's bullshit, ok in that case we will let you go.

>>2765534
We aren't talking about the holocaust here, we are talking about them giving accounts of their alleged torture.
>>2765536
Even when it was proven that that defense (used by those who were tried before them) would not prevent such a punishment?

>>2765534
In like 3 countries yeah are you saying that no people who participated in the holocaust moved overseas or would even give a fuck about legality when they were 101 years old.

>>2765547
Not every German who lived in the Reich was a prison gaurd at Auschwitz

>>2765547
no shit, a 95 year old man who was tortured at age 23 to get a confession out of him that he killed jews decided to come clean and admit that he only claimed to kill jews because he was tortured would be worried about violating holocaust denial laws

>>2765554
why, do you think recanting would be punishable by torture?

>>2765558
answer >>2765507

>>2765498
Heh, it always amuses me how little stormfags know about history. You guys don't even know that Nuremberg trials weren't the only trials of Nazi criminals.

>>2765547
It's quite a bit more than three countries. In most of Western Europe it's illegal, most notably in the states (Austria, Poland and Germany) where it would be most relevant. Even in countries where it remains legal (like the UK) it can be very difficult and strenuous. Fredrick Töben only escaped extradition to Germany on the skin of his teeth.

>>2765471
Alright, if you want it spoonfed to you,
http://m.imgur.com/a/725A7
There you go. There's a lot in there, so take a thorough look and keep an opened mind. Honestly, even just the bits that expose the main proponents of holocaust denial as frauds and the amount of false propaganda they use would be enough to tell me what this movement stands on.

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>it's a /pol/ decides not to read a few dozens of very well primary sourced books that incorporate statistics from dozens of countries in favour of 3 4chan infographics episode

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>>2765625
>Believing the jewish lies.
Read David Irving if you want to know the truth

>>2765280

>the holocaust is the only historical event where eye witness accounts aren't allowed

Why do stormcunts do this?

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>>2765666
Have you listened to them? If I were a Jew, I would also have them banned, they're all fairytales which contradict each other, complete fabrications.

>>2765650
>Believing the lies of basement dwellers
David Irving got btfo and now admits that there was a programme of extermination. If you want to know the truth, stop cherry picking sources like that old kook does

>>2765536

>admitting mass murder gets you OUT of being hanged

Ok...

>>2765671

>it's a stormniggers first encounter with primary sources episode

Sigh...

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>>2765681

> it's a I won't answer the fucking questions and try to fob off having to tackle difficult truths episode

>>2765692

I don't recall you asking me a question?

>>2765702

> It's a I think I'm clever until someone with a huge IQ and bigger dick comes along episode

Being inferior and having a micro dick

>>2765650
>Irving isn't a fraud
He has never been anything more than an amateur in this field of study, on top of that he had a clear bias towards Neo-Nazi and white nationalist sentiment. If you want to write off every piece that proves your wrong as
>jewish lies
Then go ahead. Just don't spread your autism to other intellectually vulnerable people.

>>2765692
First make a detailed refutation of points of all these books, then I answer those 21 questions

Arad, Yitzhak, Israel Gutman, and Abraham Margaloit, editors. Documents on the Holocaust: Selected Sources on the Destruction of the Jews of Germany and Austria, Poland, and the Soviet Union. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1999.

Arad, Yitzhak, Shmuel Krakowski, and Shmuel Spector, editors. The Einsatzgruppen Reports: Selections from the Dispatches of the Nazi Death Squads’ Campaign against the Jews July 1941-January 1943. New York, NY: Holocaust Library, 1989.

Friedlander, Henry, and Sybil Milton, editors. Berlin Document Center. New York: Garland, 1992.

Friedlander, Henry, and Sybil Milton, editors. Bundesarchiv of the Federal Republic of Germany, Koblenz and Freiburg. New York: Garland, 1993.

Hochstadt, Steve. Sources of the Holocaust. New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2004.

Joods Historisch Museum. Documents of the Persecution of the Dutch Jewry 1940-1945. Amsterdam: Athenaeum-Polak & Van Gennep, 1979.

Klamper, Elisabeth, editor. Dokumentationsarchiv des Österreichischen Widerstandes, Vienna. New York: Garland, 1991.

Mendelsohn, John, editor. The Holocaust: Selected Documents in Eighteen Volumes. New York: Garland, 1982.

Mikoletzky, Lorenz, editor. Allgemeines Verwaltungsarchiv, Archiv der Republik, Vienna. New York: Garland, 1995.

Milton, Sybil, and Roland Klemig, editors. Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulterbesitz, Berlin. New York: Garland, 1990.

Braham, Randolph L., editor. The Destruction of Hungarian Jewry: A Documentary Account. New York: Pro Arte for the World Federation of Hungarian Jews, 1963.

Crew, David F. Hitler and the Nazis: A History in Documents. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2005.

>>2765704

Cool projection. How does this relate to the Holocaust and source analysis?

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>>2765280

Most Jews (and Russian pow's) died of typhus rather than gas or firing squad.

But its not like the Germans had anything to do with those conditions.

>>2765507
1.Why else would you combine intelligence, police, and military? Partisan fighting
2. -
>why would Jews inflate the numbers
Obviously to add weight to it, 1 million dead is quite a bit, but it lacks the weight of 6 million, or now what is it? 12 million? It has to be THE EMINENT genocide in the last century for it to remain in the collective consciousness of Europeans for personal gain, and 1 million or even 3 million lacks that gravity.
3. That could mean anything, the context needs to be known
4. Source needed and further details required
5. Source needed and further details required-
Why would the Nazi's shorn hair and bag it after the supposed gassing? If anything shorn hair points to the delousing hypothesis. You would shorn hair on prisoners suspected to have lice- which would be common post-inhabitation in a ghetto.
5. Impossible to know, perhaps the Soviets massacred them as opposed to feeding them, perhaps the Germans did. All speculation, but then again how hard is it to lakes superfluous claims of family members?
How hard would it be to claim an Uncle Chaim was missing in hope that "his" missing would have a monetary reward?

>>2765770
>3 million lacks that gravity but 6 does not.

What? WHAT? ??? ???

>>2765776
Falls below the quantity of genocides in this century- Holodomor or the Cambodian genocide, or is close to another genocides number such as the Armenian. It loses it's emphasis- just another genocide among others. Suddenly people begin to question why every major Western city has a holocaust museum- but not a Holodomor or Cambodian or Armenian Genocide museum.
>which is a question Westerners should be asking anyways

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>>2765280
/pol/ has become it's own meme

>>2765770
>partisan fighting
You faggots should be forcefully re-educated. We have German documents listing how many children and women were executed.

The more I read about the holocaust, the more people like you disgust me.

>>2765793
Because the Holocaust was the first and only genocide in history to happen on a systematic and industrial scale like a running factory?

>>2765793
Holdomor wasn't a genocide.

>>2765799
The method of genocide is meaningless and adds no weight to it while demeaning other genocides.
>>2765800
Genocide isn't defined by race by race necessarily, but in your case you're wrong, the ethnic Ukrainians were targetted.

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>>2765770

Does it matter the actual number. The Germans took selfies of themselves shooting Jews. Its documented millions of Soviet POWs died in camps.

If they could have killed all Jews and Soviet pows they would have.

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>>2765811
>the ethnic Ukrainians were targetted
Then why 1 million Kazakhs also died?

>>2765793
I'm sorry anon, but this is just silly, I'm not going down that ideological hole.

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>>2765794
>That image
>all of /pol/ believes in everything I think is wrong just to spite me


>tfw /pol/ is always right

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>>2765813
>if
>if
>if

I keep getting opinions from the people who claim to have the proof.

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>>2765820

You can't really excuse genocide just because other nations did it.

Turkey I'm looking at you.

>>2765811
>The method of genocide is meaningless
Society says otherwise. You may not see the significance but most do. Moreover, the Holocaust is far more relevant to a Westerner then a genocide that may occur in Rwanda or Cambodia for exmaple. Why wouldn't we add more weight to our own history
>inb4 da jooz

>>2765839
I'm not doing this. The question is if the famine was really man-made and if the goal was to exterminate Ukrainian people.

>>2765839
Is that a German concentration camp or a Soviet Gulag?

>>2765840
Does society say that? Or rather is it the merchants of shame who say that? I don't think Native Americans think "well the Jews had it worse than us because there was a system in place". No one thinks that.
Except for the Jews.
>more relevant to westerners
Relevant in what sense? To allow for the continuous creation of strawmen everytime a Jew or Israel is criticized? To give weight to political and spiritual groups, like the ADL or Bnai Brith, who profit?

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>>2765837

I said the Germans took selfies of themselves shooting Jews.

This is a fact.

>>2765850
It's from a German concentration camp.

>>2765860
weren't these reprisals because a bunch of pol's killed a couple thousand Germans in Poland?

>>2765860
I don' have it with me but an anon disproved this image as a Soviet fake some time back.

>>2765864
No.

>>2765864

Even if that were true. Reprisal killings are a war crime.

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>>2765861
Source? or am I gonna have to rely on your trustworthiness?

>>2765837
But anon, it's only been 1 hour, you can't have gotten more than a few dozen pages into the first book, retort when you've read the whole lot, that 18 volume one takes a bit of time.

>>2765708
>>2765708
>>2765708

>>2765872
I don't disagree with that fact, but you gotta admit, if you were told a couple thousand of your own people were killed for fuck all, you would be a little upset.

>>2765870
Than what was it then?

>>2765874

>Manstein sent a letter to Einsatzgruppe D commanding officer Ohlendorf complaining that it was unfair that the SS was keeping all of the murdered Jews' wristwatches for themselves instead of sharing with the army.

Maybe Manstein should have kept his mouth shut.

>>2765878
>for fuck all

>>2765878

Its a hanging offense.

>>2765877
All I see is a list of titles anon. Have you read these or are you merely googling titles to throw out there?

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>>2765897

Riddle me this. Why did not any of the German officers on trial use denial as a defense rather than I was just following orders.

Can you find me a Nazi officer with the simple defense as "The killings did not happen in reality."

>>2765854
And so, we return to the impasse that Jews control everything. It's very easy to wipe away all the evidence when you believe in this story isn't it? Not every single place of research is on the Jewish payroll as you may think. The idea that Jews have a monopoly on all information since the end of WW2 is schizophrenic. And I know that's not and argument but this line of thinking doesn't deserve one

It's relevant because it's part of Western history. I highly doubt you people give a fuck about other genocides unless it's politically convenient for you to do so anyway. We both know you're bringing up out of insincerity.

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>>2765902

If Jews control everything... Explain China.

Chinese Jews?

>>2765897
But I thought you wanted to know the truth, not merely dig in your position.

>>2765906
They don't control everything. I'm saying that to think so is batshit crazy. No group/movement could possibly control all flows of information internationally for decades

>>2765912
Link pdfs then.

>>2765933

Hey autist. You can visit your local library for free you know.

>>2765933
What are you, a filthy jewish underman? A real aryan man goes out and wrestles information from the world, he isn't served information, like some sleazy, boneless jew.

>>2765902
>The idea that Jews have a monopoly on all information since the end of WW2 is schizophrenic.
How so? Facebook is Jewish owned, so is Google. Same with Oracle, and during Andrew Grove's tenure as CEO so was Intel (which is why Intel R&D is in Tel Aviv). Viking Press was created and is owned by the Jews, so is currently Disney, Viacom, how is that "schizophrenic" to say that the Jews own the media? And publishing?
How is it relevant the Renaissance is FAR MORE relevant to Western History but my city lacks a Renaissance museum. It doesn't have a Protestant Reformation Museum, I've never seen a Roman Empire museum, but we sure as fuck have a Holocaust Museum. Why? It isn't relevant to my life, I was not impacted by it, most Westerners will never have a connection to it.

>>2765949
A real Aryan man burns books full of lies, funny thing though, I'm not white.

>>2765280
how many times are we going to have this fucking thread
http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

>>2765957
>nizkor

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>>2765950

>Thinks western civilization will be the dominate civilization by 2050

How quaint.

>>2765963
>if i use le meme arrows i can discredit anything i want
yeah nice try faggot

>>2765507
>Upon liberation of Auschwitz, it was discovered that in the camp, nazis had bagged and stored 2000 kilograms of shorn hair. How did the nazis get all this hair and why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?
>Why would the Nazi's shorn hair and bag it after the supposed gassing? If anything shorn hair points to the delousing hypothesis. You would shorn hair on prisoners suspected to have lice- which would be common post-inhabitation in a ghetto.

bee tee eff oh, holohoax merchants on suicide watch.

>>2765874
It's a rather famous scene. I think this is from a film called Death Mills.

>>2765972
Tell me again Uncle Chaim how many times you were gassed :^) Remember, all we have really is first hand witness accounts and found documents, they're so precious.

>>2765881
Probably one of many actions against partisans or Jews. The Nazis shot a lot of people.

>>2765976
It's probably harder to explain boxes with teeth, glasses, shoes or prosthetic devices.

>>2765980
you haven't really earned it but i'll give you one more (You)

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>>2765976

Hold up. Why the fuck would the Nazis keep the hair of the Jews in the first place? I mean its real, because otherwise the Soviets would have had to shave thousands of people to fabricate it which would not have gone unoticed.

But really... Why keep the goddamn hair instead of burn it. Did the Nazis have a fetish or something?

>>2765986
Oh you mean all the leftover evidence that the supposed meticulous Nazis left lying around? They're willing to dig up hundreds of thousands of bodies for cremation, detonate entire camps, but can't toss a box of shoes :^)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrgyOfEvidence

>>2765996
I'd tell you the truth that they were recycling it for different purposes but you'd probably go off the deep end again and start parroting memes with the schlomo.jpeg attached about soap bars or some shit.
Regardless, if they were killed or not, the hair was being kept. There's a consensus it was being used for the war effort

>>2765329
this is b8, i've never seen that photo on the right in my life

>>2766014
Oh yeah, recycling hair. With super poisonous zyklon b. Bags of it. You don't deserve a schlomo meme. You're beneath that.

>>2765507
Okay this one got me. I'm wrong, the Holocaust happened.

>>2766025
They shaved them beforehand. Even a denier like yourself should know the narrative the other side spins before dismissing it

>>2765999
>meticulous
>Nazis
They were often quite incompetent.
>detonate entire camps
Death camps weren't exactly big. Auschwitz wasn't detonated.

>>2765280
So what's your bottom line?

>>2766033
>They shaved them beforehand
>Upon liberation of Auschwitz, it was discovered that in the camp, nazis had bagged and stored 2000 kilograms of shorn hair. How did the nazis get all this hair and why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?
>why did an overwelming number of samples contain traces of hydrogen cyanide?

>>2766025
We have letters written by Nazis ordering X amount of hair for various factories.

>>2765666
Why is there no physical evidence of anything?

>>2766033
They shaved them after the gassing.

>>2765711
You have no sources. You've gotten BTFO'd repeatedly

>>2766040
But there is physical evidence, you just like to ignore it.

There is even less evidence for people dying in Soviet camps, but I bet you believe Stalin killed 60 million.

>>2765878
>if you were told a couple thousand of your own people were killed for fuck all, you would be a little upset.

Imagine how the Jews feel

>>2766046
Right m8. All those bodies. The one actual proof that isn't evidence, but proof.

>>2766050
difference is the Jews actually deserved what happened to them. unlike the bombings of innocent German civilians, Jews had already massacred 7 million Ukrainians and if you read about the German revolution their plan was to do it to Germany next.

Jews were not innocent, there is a reason school doesn't teach you about any of this.

>>2765878
So I guess the Poles should have murder every single ethnic German after the war because they murdered 2.5-3 million ethnic Poles and 3 million Polish Jews.

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>>2766055
>Stalin was a Jew
Fuck off from /his/ and never return.

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>140 Replies
>26 Posters

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2766058
Poles were slavic subhumans who deserve to be eradicated. Their massacres against the german is what started the war in the first place

>>2766052
What bodies? Most mass graves were opened right after the war. We have reports about this. Of course you don't believe them because of "lol Soviets".

>>2766055
>school dosn't teach you about any of this
Maybe because it's not true and you don't know anything about history? You know that the German revolution happened before Soviet famine?

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>>2766063
Never said he was. Doesn't change that the main people who executed it.

(((Lazar Kaganovich)))
Was posthumously found guilty of genocide against the Ukrainian people

>every piece of information in support of the Holocaust's occurrence is fabricated by the Jews
>everything presented in shitty infographs supported by Neo-nazi sympathizers is unquestionable fact

They're so ideologically fucked they are beyond reasoning with. Anything you show them can, and will likely get exiled to their safety net of "Jew fabrication"
They are uninterested in doing any further investigation into primary sources of the Holocaust itself to obtain answers to their supposed questions, nor are they interested in scrutinizing the claims made by the apologists. They're conspiracy theorists on par with flat-earthers and should be dismissed as such.

>>2766071
Literally not an argument lol

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>>2766055

Are you full on retarded. Stalin wasn't a Jew and he sure as fuck didn't like them.

>>2766074
>Stalin wasn't a Jew and he sure as fuck didn't like them.

When did I say he was, read >>2766069

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>>2766077

Oh for fucks sake. Once Stalin was in power, nothing happened without his personal involvement.

>>2766066
>le bloody sunday meme
>>>/pol/

>>2766055
When did the whole jewish community in Europe commit a genocide against Ukrainians, again?

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>>2766069
Awesome, Lazar was of Jewish heritage. I suppose that means your working class Jew in Hungary is in on some global conspiracy and needs to be exterminated.

Let's not forget practicing Jews were persecuted in the USSR too.

Fuck off already, /pol/. Your Jewish conspiracies are no better than the SJWs' white male patriarchy.

>>2766069
>Postyshev
Russian
>Kosior
Polish

And where is your favorite Jewish scapegoat Genrikh Grigoryevich Yagoda?

>>2765534
>europe is one country
Good job, Well, Britain hasn't banned it, and in most places where it is banned it's banned under a broader law to prevent all genocide denial, it's the equivilant of saying that a country is saying you can't shit talk black people because there's a universal anti discrimination law.

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>>2766086
>Let's not forget practicing Jews were persecuted in the USSR too.
Proof?
>Future Israeli PM Golda Meir surrounded by crowd of 50,000 Jews near Moscow Choral Synagogue on the first day of Rosh Hashanah in 1948.
The Jews were practically the only people allowed to celebrate their religion in the USSR.

>>2766069
Yup, the Nazis clearly exterminated the Jews to avenge poor Ukrainians. But what did Himmler mean when he wrote this in 1940?

>I hope that the concept of Jews will be completely extinguished through the possibility of large-scale emigration of all Jews to Africa or some other colony. It must also be possible, in a somewhat longer period of time, to let the national concept of Ukrainians, Gorals and Lemcos disappear in our territory. Whatever is said concerning these splinter peoples applies on a correspondingly larger scale to the Poles.

>>2766073
>your criticism of my abhorrent method for judging information and sources is not an argument lulllzzz XDDDDD
It wasn't a response to anything other than the clearly apparent autism and naivety of the deniers, which should already be so obvious as to go without saying but some people lack the capacity for self-examination.

>>2765897
READ YOU JACKASS

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>>2766095
>He doesn't know Georgians were allowed to practice their orthodox religion in peace.
Stop cherrypicking

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>>2766095

Are you fucking retarded. Stalin was control of the USSR and he hated Jews. He even gulaged one of his daughters crushes because he was a Jew.

>At 16, Svetlana fell in love with Aleksei Kapler, a Jewish Soviet filmmaker who was 40 years old. Her father vehemently disapproved of the romance. Later, Kapler was sentenced to ten years in exile in the industrial city of Vorkuta, near the Arctic Circle.[6]

>>2766095
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevsektsiya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis

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>>2766101
I'll suck down your lies buddy, just don't be surprised when I pick those apart too. The best thing about a lie, a massive lie, is that eventually the inconsistencies are revealed, much like this.
>>2766037
>>2765976
Of course someone will rewrite or rework, or drop it as an example since it is damning and inconvenient.

>>2765950
They're all also owned by people with white skin, is there a white conspiracy?

>>2766110
>because he was a Jew.
I didn't see that quoted anywhere, only Stalin disapproved. You just going to keep shoving that narrative anywhere you can imagine it, huh.

>>2766095
Doctor's plot.

The USSR persecuted religion throughout the country lol, Jews, Christians, Muslims. It didn't fucking matter. You pol fags however just designate anything you don't like as (((Jewish controlled))).

Go back to your containment board and circle jerk in the holocaust thread.

>>2766117
>inconsistencies
Where? I don't see any.

>>2766117
Then stop posting and go read.

>>2766122

>At age 17, Svetlana received a marriage proposal from Grigory Morozov, a fellow student at Moscow University. Her father grudgingly allowed the couple to marry, although he made a point of never meeting the groom. A son, Iosif, was born in 1945. The couple divorced in 1947 but remained close friends for decades.

1. If Jews were special in USSR why'd the Jew get gulag'd.
2. Why would Stalin let his daughter marry a pleb university student when she could have married a prominent film maker.

Also Doctor's Plot

>>2766115
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevsektsiya
>According to Richard Pipes, "in time, every Jewish cultural and social organization came under assault". However, main emphasis of Yevsektsii was the assault on Jewish religion. Acting together with local Soviet authorities, Evsektsii organized seizures of synagogues in Gomel, Minsk and Kharkov, which were subsequently converted to clubs or Communist centers.[1]
>Richard Edgar Pipes (born July 11, 1923) is a Polish-American academic who specializes in Russian history, particularly with respect to the Soviet Union, who espoused a strong anti-communist point of view throughout his career. In 1976 he headed Team B, a team of analysts organized by the Central Intelligence Agency who analyzed the strategic capacities and goals of the Soviet military and political leadership. Pipes is the father of American historian and expert on American foreign policy and the Middle East, Daniel Pipes
His son became an pro-Israel neo-con, what a shocker!!!
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis
>In a parliamentary speech on 11 April 1968 Prime Minister Cyrankiewicz spelled out the government's official position: "Loyalty to socialist Poland and imperialist Israel is not possible simultaneously. (...)
>1968
>post 1967 War when the Jews (my bad, ISRAELIS) gobbled up Arab (Soviet allies territory)
>Oy vey its anti-semitism!
No Chaim, who had an immediate mental list of oy vey antisemitic activity!, that was geopolitics. Not antisemitism. Also
>Poland
The discussion was Stalin hating the Jews and preventing practice of their religion. Ya blew it A G A I N

>>2765692
Question 2 is plain wrong, Eisenhower has talked quite a bit about the holocaust.

>>2766130
Woops, forgot to mention
>Pipes was born to a Jewish family in Cieszyn, Poland, which fled the country as refugees after it was invaded by Nazi Germany. Settling in the United States in 1940, he became a naturalized citizen in 1943 while serving in the United States Army Air Corps. From 1958 to 1996, Pipes worked at Harvard University.

Lets look at his son
>Daniel Pipes (born September 9, 1949) is an American historian, writer, and commentator. He is the president of the Middle East Forum, and publisher of its Middle East Quarterly journal. His writing focuses on the American foreign policy and the Middle East. He is also an Expert at Wikistrat.[1]

>After graduating with a PhD from Harvard in 1978 and studying abroad, Pipes taught at a number of universities. He then served as director of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, before founding the Middle East Forum. His 2003 nomination by U.S. President George W. Bush to the board of directors of the U.S. Institute of Peace was protested by Arab-American groups, and Democratic leaders, who cited his oft-stated belief that victory is the most effective way to terminate conflict.[2][3] The Bush administration sidestepped the opposition with a recess appointment.[2]

Oh wow, a Neo-con who worked to end the Iraq regime and works in pro-Israel think tanks. Man what a patriot You Jews are nothing more than traitorous rats, generation after generation working to support only Jewish causes and spread Jewish lies. Its in your blood.

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>>2766130

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

Stalin literally had them publish propaganda about the threat of Zionists assassinating Soviet leaders.

>>2765692
>no citations provided

>>2765860
There is an image about this picture claiming these are yugoslav soldiers.

Don´t believe it, those are clearly german uniforms.

>>2766130
>His son became an pro-Israel neo-con, what a shocker!!!
So what? What does it have to do with anything, you idiot?

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F

Better? Different sources too.

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>>2766142
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot
Prove it isn't a canard Ari. Just like Neo-conservatism being a Jewish 5th column is a canard. Or Jews owning the media, I see that listed as a Canard as well. Is it possible that, since the USSR had increasingly distanced itself from Israel while allying itself with the Arab states, Jewish crypto-zionists would work to assassinate the Soviet leadership? Abso-fucking-lutely. (pic related)
Or is this a Soviet fabrication- unlike the Holocaust?

>>2765501
>its nothing but either Jewish Deformation league labeling everything as anti Semitic or something sponsored by Stormfront
This is my absolute favourite. When Holocaust deniers come here trying to act like the middle road "I hate the deniers but they are EQUALLY as stupid as the people who believe in it"

No, they are not. Just because you chose the "middle of the road" doesn't make you any less of a retard. When the difference is historical scholarship, academic inquiry, evidence, and testimony vs 4chan memes, it only reflects on how much of a retard you are.

>>2766160
Jesus, you have a conspiratorial answer for everything don't you?

>>2766148
Not exactly true. Partisans wore any uniforms they could find - which includes German uniforms - but they didn't take photographs of executions. At best, you will find documents. What does give it away is the uniformity of the uniforms in the photograph (save for the one black uniform which you would definitely not find among the partisans, though).

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>>2766160

The argument was that the USSR under Stalin was run by Jews which justified the extermination of them in Eastern Europe.

USSR was neither run by Jews nor were the Jews in Eastern Europe responsible for Stalin's policy against the Ukrainians.

>>2765793
>Falls below the quantity of genocides in this century
>It's another Stormfags think the death toll is what makes the Holocaust so terrible episode
The reason the Holocaust is considered to terrible is because of the sheer brutality involved and the fact that the genocide itself was industrialized. From the perspective of death toll, it is above average but nowhere close to largest.

>>2766166
The term conspiracy is falsely connotative with untruth and paranoia, it merely means one or more people conspiring.
The notion that a nation wouldn't assassinate and supplant an opposing leader with a more pliable and manipulable one is historically blind since there are multiple instances where that has taken place. Why would you act like that is such an incredulous thought, unless of course you had some sort of personal investment. At this point it is obvious that you DO have personal investment, at least in defending Jewish interests at every turn. So. Fuck off.

>>2765536
>yes your honour, me and my co workers did end up murdering millions, please let me go
>hey why are you guys taking me to that weird looking rope holder
>what're you doing
>wait
>stahp
>*crack
Stellar plan.

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>>2766183

>Yeah we did it.
>We were only following orders.
>Wait you mean that's not an acceptable answer?
>Oh well maybe the next guy that comes along will figure out to deny it.

>>2766177
I didn't make that argument, some anon did. The Jews ran the USSR PRIOR to Stalin, and had some influence after but not nearly to the degree prior.
>nor were the Jews in Eastern Europe responsible for Stalin's policy against the Ukrainians.
I wouldn't say Jews plural but definitely many were involved, Yagoda was the deputy head of the OGPU and supervisor of the forced collectivization, deportations, and arrests that caused Holodomor. Ironically he was used by Stalin to break up the Jewish power in the government. I think Stalin took pleasure in that irony as well.

>>2766182
People don't give a fuck about Jews. It's about defending historiography and truth. If you present a view with only contentious information to back it up, people are going to dispute it. Someone saying they disagree with your drivel, doens't mean they're in on the conspiracy, you bloody tinfoil. This is a place of debate, unlike /pol/.

>>2766194
>Yagoda
>not according to the Ukrainians

>>2766069

>>2765307
>to create that gigantic spergy infographic
That's what /pol/ does so creating other infographics is the only way to beat them

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>>2766194

Let me get this straight. Its ok to murder millions of people just because some other country did it too?

>>2766207
Is it murder if they are parasites who are inherently self-serving to a level of psychopathy?

>>2766202
>and other Soviet Party Functionaries

Perhaps they left it vague so they wouldn't get slapped with an accusation of AN ANTISEMITIC CANARD OY VEY

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>>2766212

Oh. I thought we were debating if the holocaust happened, not if it should have been cranked up to 11.

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>>2766212
>Is it murder if they are parasites who are inherently self-serving to a level of psychopathy
So you're no longer denying that the Holocaust happened?

>>2766218
No, clearly they were being used as labor prior to the war ending and the Haavara Agreement being reinstated, just as Himmler wrote multiple times about. That was more my opinion rather than a summation of the Holocaust question.

>>2765307
>monstrously autistic
More like saving time whenever someone keeps spouting the same shit over and over again.

>>2766212
>parasites who are inherently self-serving to a level of psychopathy
No, the Nuremberg trial executions were definitely not murder.

>>2766222
Why were they killing women and children then?

>>2765280
Of course not. Many of them were put to slave work, some were killed, but nothing even close to the 6 trillion that's been constantly thrown around by (((them)))

>>2766270
>(((them)))
Historians from every country?

I've never gotten it, shouldn't /pol/ be proud the the Holocaust?

Well, other than the part about uncle Adolf not finishing the job and losing the war.

>>2766295
Historians are all controlled by the Jews you see.

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Why is it that stormfags deny the Holocaust while simultaneously justifing and calling for it to happen when they reach power?
Much like the muslimshits that call for the beheading of the kufar but when shit hits the fan claim that the latest big terrorist act was a faulse flag conspiracy.
Some human brain viruses have the same characteristics of violent cowardice. Calling for murder and denying that it happened to patheticly try to escape tetribution.

>>2766335
Remember anon, it's okay to be a hypocrite as long as you're in charge.

>>2766055


Oh Jesus, you retards actually believe all of this.

>>2766095

>The Jews were practically the only people allowed to celebrate their religion in the USSR.

Literally absolutely false you complete idiot.

>>2766319
Of course they are. But they can't say that, because they have just enough self-awareness to realize that the holocaust is the single biggest reason that you can't get real support for Nazi policies.

So they need to rehabilitate the Nazi image, which in turn requires denying the holocaust.

>>2766342
And yet I was able to post not only proof but an in image backing it up! Thanks for the non-refutation.
>>2766319
Because we have, on top of what the Germans know, the last 70 years of Jewish influence and manipulation to observe without any censorship. We have repetition, we can see exactly what Hitler condemned the Jews of happening today in America and Europe. Why deport and allow history to eventually repeat itself?

>>2766352
>proof
No?

>We have repetition, we can see exactly what Hitler condemned the Jews of happening today in America and Europe.
How so?

>>2766363

>>2762936

>>2766352
You don't really understand how the soviet repression mechanisms worked. Perhaps learn a bit about that first. You know the system with a big nice synagogue in Moscow and a very progressive constitution full of legality and human rights to show off to foreign visitors like Golda Meir and the reality itself with the same synagogue being run by KGP and the fate of people who were recorded as frequenting that place without being sent there by the system.
I will not respond to your second point, let's just say no comment and fuck off to pol.

>>2766395
So it was a honeypot?

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>>2766395
>I can not refute to your second point, let's just say no comment and fuck off to pol.

Duly noted

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>>2766083

Here's proofs of polish soldiers killing germans

>>2766416
This is a joke post, right? A simple reverse search points me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_in_Pia%C5%9Bnica. Scroll down a bit and you get to this photo.

>Mass execution of Poles in Piaśnica (Groß Piasnitz) in the Darzlubska Wilderness (Polish Pomerania) conducted by nazi Germans. In the foreground a firing squad composed of members of so-called "Volksdeutscher Selbstschutz". The picture was taken by Waldemar Engler - volksdeutscher from Wejherowo and member of the SS (he was photographer in civilian life) Prints of photos that he made in Piaśnica were stolen by his Polish workers. One of them Józef Czosek (d. 2004), revealed his secret two weeks before death of old age.[1]

>>2766416
Triggered.

ITT: (((/his/torians))) get blown the fuck out by /pol/acks with straight facts and statistics and they had no response for it

/his/ would be better if all /pol/lacks were banned on sight.

>>2766018
I never seen it goy! Therefore it never existed! The gojillian thrown in the oven happened because it was real in my mind!

>>2766110
You're an idiot. Antisemitism in the USSR was forbidden and doing so led to execution or sent to the Gulags.

>>2766840
Only officially. They didn't want more pogroms in their country, but that doesn't change the fact that the Communists weren't fond of Jewish religion and wanted to secularize Jewish culture.

>>2766425
>trusting Wikipedia

http://youtu.be/hMBramnCg_s

Good goy

>>2766065
>Yo vey

>>2765901
>on trial use denial as a defense

A kangaroo court has you on trial and your defense is going to be, "It didn't happen!"? Or are you going to try to pass the buck in the hopes of lenience?

>>2765338
>no comeback

Self-affirming quackery detected

>>2766950
And yet guys like Schact did put up viable defenses and were found not guilty. So is it not a kangaroo trial, did they just decide they were going to hang out a few guys to find not guilty beforehand, or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Please cite your sources for whatever inane conclusions you come up with, which we will of course in the interest of fairness treat with the same high standards of proof that the holocaust is held up to.

>>2765291
Debunking time!


>Collage using Sonderkommando Photographs
The Sonderkommando photographs are perhaps the most interesting of all photos taken in Auschwitz, taken secretly in August 1944 by Alberto "Alex" Errera, a Greek inmate in Auschwitz II-Birkenau, and smuggled out of the camp by September 4, 1944 along with the following note:

>"Urgent. Send two iron reels of film as soon as possible. It is possible to take pictures. We send you photographs from Birkenau - people who have been gassed. The photograph shows a heap of bodies piled outdoors. Bodies were burned outdoors when the crematorium could not keep pace with the number of bodies to be burned. In the foreground are bodies ready to be thrown on the heap. Another photograph shows one of the places in the forest where people were told to undress, allegedly for a bath, but in fact before being driven to the gas chambers. Send a reel as soon as possible. Send the enclosed photographs to Tell" (a member of the Cracow underground).

Cont.

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>>2767027
The photographer was a member of the Sonderkommando, inmates forced to work in and around the gas chambers. He took two shots from inside Krematorium V, and two outside, shooting from the hip, unable to aim the camera with any precision. The Polish resistance smuggled the film out of the camp.

The photographs were numbered 280–283 by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum. Nos. 280 and 281 show the cremation of corpses in a fire pit, shot through the black frame of the Krema's doorway or window. No. 283 (not shown in the collage) is an image of trees, the result of the photographer aiming too high.

Deniers have so far only been able to address the "actual origin" of ONE of these Sonderkommando photographs (I wonder why they never took pains to address the others?), which they have labeled "Ohio train wreck, 1912", although they have not been able to come up with independent pictures of this alleged train disaster that look similar enough in terms of people and location to be able to prove any kind of forgery having taken place (i . e. the addition of the corpses and the fence). Instead, what they managed to do was edit out some of the corpses in that SK photograph, point out an odd body shape, and call it a day. The "Ohio trainwreck" holocaust denier theory has been thoroughly DEBUNKED here:

>>2767037
http://hungarianskeptics . blogspot . co . at/2012/12/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by . html

The final three photos added to the SK photographs in the above collage only proves how the location where these SK photographs were taken checks out with the location in Birkenau today. The surroundings are forested (the tree line may have grown a bit in the past 7 decades), the image aligns with the fence still standing today, and what's more, such an outdoor cremation would also explain the smoke plume in some of the aerial photographs, how conveniently located near Crematorium V!

>>2766130
>>Richard Edgar Pipes (born July 11, 1923) is a Polish-American academic who specializes in Russian history, particularly with respect to the Soviet Union, who espoused a strong anti-communist point of view throughout his career. In 1976 he headed Team B, a team of analysts organized by the Central Intelligence Agency who analyzed the strategic capacities and goals of the Soviet military and political leadership. Pipes is the father of American historian and expert on American foreign policy and the Middle East, Daniel Pipes
>espoused a strong anti-communist point of view throughout his career
Hmm, I thought communism was espoused by le jooish hivemind?

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>>2765329
>Making fake fakes
Oh /pol/

>>2766148
That image has been debunked time and time again by people who actually know what they're talking about. Pic related.

>>2767044
Source: blogspot

You're not serious are you?

>>2765280
>Holocaust Denial

The fact that this term exists proves that it's bullshit. Why don't people deny Slavery? Because it's undeniable beyond any doubt...

>>2767075
Some people also believe the Earth is flat. Your point?

>>2767044
>LOL. Only ONE problem. You make a convincing case that the Auscwitcz photo (assuming that's where it was taken) predates the Ghost Adventures photo... but in no way do you prove that there were "gas chambers" there, or that this is anything but a picture of dead bodies (who might have died of starvation and/or a disease like typhus), that are being burned in a crematorium because dead bodies lying around is a serious health hazard.
From the Comments. Holocaust deniers are fucking retards. Even if there were photos of crematoria and gas chambers they wouldn't believe it. It's like a cult.

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>>2765868
>I don' have it with me but an anon disproved this image as a Soviet fake some time back.
They didn't "disprove" anything

This is a picture currently stored in the US Library of Congress, courtesy of the USHMM Photo Archives.

A picture from an Einsatzgruppen soldier’s personal album, labeled on the back as “Last Jew of Vinnitsa” in German, it shows German soldiers of the Waffen-SS and the Reich Labor Service (Reichsarbeitsdienst) looking on as a member of Einsatzgruppe D prepares to shoot a Ukrainian Jew kneeling on the edge of a mass grave filled with corpses, near Vinnitsa, taken in either 1941 or 1942, sometimes mislabeled 1943 in archives, but most likely 1941, as thousands of Jews from Vinnitsa and its surrounding areas were massacred at the time:
There were two mass shootings in Vinnitsa, on the 16th September, and the other on 22nd September. A subsequent massacre of Jews appears to have been of Jews brought in from outside the district. This is the evidence for the date of this photograph. There was one eye witness to the procedure involved. Wehrmacht officer Lieutenant Erwin Bingel had been ordered to assist the Commandant of Uman district with men to guard the railway lines and around the airport. The Jews of the area had been ordered to gather for a ‘census’.

Cont.

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>>2767094
As usual, holocaust deniers spin a completely different yarn, as evidenced in the image description above. One has said the following:

"Those arent German uniforms and that is not a German pistol in the soldier's hand. The soldier in the image is wearing a Soviet M35 uniform and is holding a Tokerev TT33 pistol. The boy right behind the arm of the soldier wielding the pistol (he looks no more than 16-17 years old perhaps younger) is wearing a Soviet M35 airforce uniform. You can distinctly see everything the soldiers are wearing are Soviet issue, and do not corrospond to German uniforms or equipment."

...which of course, is absolute nonsense because on an enlarged version of the photo viewable here:

http://1 . bp . blogspot . com/-1MaLAzQo5AM/UT-wcSzQthI/AAAAAAAAC5M/SN218aYs4Mk/s1600/The+last+Jew+in+Vinnitsa,+1941 . jpg

you can clearly see the Nazi Reichsadler on at least 6 men's uniforms, and one of the soldiers is wearing shoulder pauldrons indicating he is part of a Heer band. Soviet uniforms, huh?

As to what pistol the executioner is using, the deniers trying to say it's either a Korovin TK or Tokerev TT33 are being deliberately dishonest because it is ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL. The following article gives you an overview of the various pistols used by the Nazis during WW2, and as you can see, not only did they use a bunch of different ones, but many of them look very similar to each other:

http://www . imfdb . org/wiki/List_of_firearms_used_by_German_Armed_Forces
or
https://en . wikipedia . org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_firearms_of_Germany

It could be a Walther PP, a Sauer 38H, a Mauser HSc, and for the record it would be a deliberate lie to claim Germans just used German or Austrian manufactured weaponry during the entire war.

>>2767097
To be able to tell with certainty what type of pistol is used in the image would even make a firearms expert shake his head in disbelief at the level of bold conviction holocaust deniers employ when making their claims, especially when somewhere else they are accusing their opponents of the very same thing.

Point 3 is nonsense, because the victim's arms do not seem to be on a position which would imply they were tied behind his back. The white blob rather looks like a hand bandaged with white cloth to me.

Point 4 is also nonsense, because this grey "fog" does not appear to cloud the bystanders' faces in the uncropped original, which can be viewed here:

https://s-media-cache-ak0 . pinimg . com/564x/e4/07/1c/e4071c86a1c07c4a7f18e6f37d251cae . jpg

>>2767094
>This is a picture currently stored in the US Library of Congress, courtesy of the USHMM Photo Archives.

This is supposed to hold merit?

>>2767104
You can also see structures in the background toward the extreme left and right of the image. So chances are, the denier who made this infographic applied some photo manipulation himself. The other points are also moot because the uncropped version is readily available on the net; the fake border and creases is something that is NOT part of the original photo (again, denier photoshop at work) and the uniforms are very much German (Wehrmacht and SS uniforms), including the guy third from left in the cropped version with the white, triangular shoulder pauldrons who is a Gefreiter (corporal) from a Wehrmacht band. Clearly there was something ceremonious about this image (Last Jew of Vinnitsa might be a hint), and therefore representatives from different echelons of German units operating nearby were present at the grave's edge. Given that the victim is, from his kneeling position, looking slightly upward and to his left (our right), it is safe to say there is at least one more person standing to the right of the pit, and the cameraman is on the opposite edge, so we can assume the victim is surrounded by onlookers.

Perhaps the only element of truth in the denier infographic is that yes, indeed Vinnitsa had been a place where just a few years earlier, in 1937 or 1938, people had been murdered during the Stalinist Great Purge and buried in unmarked graves as well (Vinnytsia massacre). And these were indeed discovered by the Germans during the German occupation in Ukraine by 1943. Just some of the evidence that Germans were indeed around Vinnytsia is the fact that one of Hitler's Führer HQs (Werwolf) was located there!

>>2767106
Read the rest of the argument, thank you.

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>>2767110
This would only rule out a Soviet photo manipulation because the last thing they would want to do (after liberating the area only by March 20, 1944) is exhume their own 6-7 year old mass grave sites (kudos if they even find the location without having to dig around blindly!), make a person (victim or actor) stand at its edge, and shoot him (or not) and close the graves once more and then pin it on the Nazis. And if this photo was actually taken during the Stalinist purge, why on earth would the photo feature a bunch of Russians in stolen German uniforms from the future and have a German caption on its back? Especially considering the fact that the Soviets were not enemies of the Reich in 1937 or 38.

As for Stalin's "Order No 428" saying "hey comrades, don some Wehrmacht and SS uniforms and do nasty stuff so we can pin it on the Germans", that's a denier hoax. See:

http://holocaustcontroversies . blogspot . co . at/2006/07/blame-it-on-germans . html

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>>2765280
>Jewish communists kill 20 million Christians
>Jews are killed in retaliation
>MUHH ANTI-SEMITISM

I don't understand it, only 6 million Jews were killed that's nothing compared to how many Christians were killed under the Jewish Bolsheviks. Even the amount of Germans that died on the Eastern Front is greater then the amount of Jews. Why do we talk about this so much?

>>2767124
>Christians
kek, like it matters. 90% of Ukrainians and Russians were Christians. And I'm sure most Jewish bolsheviks were atheist.

>>2767124
thank you for this. the bolsheviks were 80-85% Jewish, why does that not matter at all?

When Putin said it no one could refute it, just look at the like-to-dislike ratio, it's a fact the Bolsheviks were not Russians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM

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>>2767124
>>Jewish communists kill 20 million Christians
Except they were Atheists, and Balts were more represented in the Communist party than Jews

>>Jews are killed in retaliation
Retaliation for what? Do you think the Germans cared about the people who died under communism? No, they killed millions of Eastern European Christians themselves.

> Even the amount of Germans that died on the Eastern Front is greater then the amount of Jews.
Except it's not. About 3-4 million German soldiers died on the Eastern Front. Jewish deaths are estimated to be around 6,000,000.

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>>2767094
Here's a Soviet executing a Finnish. Very similar in body placement.

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>>2767140
>the bolsheviks were 80-85% Jewish

>>2767140
Thank you for propaganda? There were few million Jews living in the Soviet Union. How many of them were part of the bolshevik party?

>>2767144
That's a finn executing a russian, actually.

>>2767124

I don't know, why do you talk about them so much?

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>>2767140
>thank you for this. the bolsheviks were 80-85% Jewish, why does that not matter at all?
Except they weren't, samefag. Non-Jewish Baltic people were more represented than Jews.
Just because Putin said something doesn't mean it's true. That's called an appeal to authority.

See
>>2767145

>>2767145
>Jews are a race and not a religion

That chart takes account for Jews practicing the Jewish faith, but atheist Jews are counted for what nation they resided from.

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>>2767150
>Soviet
>Russian

Pick one

I'm sure this one is too

>>2767164
Looks like a German.

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>>2767155
>Just because Putin said something doesn't mean it's true.

Yes yes. Let's not take word from a former KGB agent of the Soviet Union on how the soviet operated.

Why do you kikefags feel insulted when confronted with truth?

>>2767164
I'll pick both, leddit.

>>2767157
This is a lie. It's clearly a chart based on nationality, not on faith. Jews were overrepresented mostly in higher positions.

>>2767175
I'd rather believe historians working in archives.

>>2767144
wut
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/russian-spy-laughing-execution-finland-1942/

>Jews denied basic human rights in Poland/Russia/etc. for centuries
>Can't go to college, forced to live in the pale of settlement, periodically subjected to pogroms, etc.
>A group comes along that wants to break down religious-racial lines
>Get mad when Jews join them

Even Russian Prime Minister Stolypin said that nobody should be surprised that Jews joined revolutionary groups given the way they were treated. You can justify the treatment of Jews, but don't act surprised when you reap the consequences of said actions.
That being said, the "Jewish Bolshevik" is still overblown for propaganda reasons. Take a gander at any list of CPSU delegates for the Central Committee by nationality. Proportionally to their population levels Jews are behind Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Finns, POLES and Ossetians in their representation among the ruling caste of the Bolshevik party.
Of course, talking about the "Latvian Bolshevik" doesn't advance the narrative, so people conveniently ignore this.

>>2767157
prove it. jews were very distinctively an ethnic group regardless of if they were religious. trotsky was openly a jew but still atheist

>>2767175
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is a brave man.

>>2767192
That's my point dumbass, but Trotsky is seen as one of the pioneers of the Bolshevik Revolution.

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daily reminder that if you doubted the highlighted passage in this book was 100% true with no embellishment whatsoever for even one attosecond you are an evil racist holocaust denier and should donate $1000 to the nearest holocaust museum ASAP to atone for your sins

>>2767206
you said it takes into count if they practice the faith which isn't true. Trotsky would have been listed as a jew even though he was technically an atheist

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>>2767175
More appeals to authority. Just because Solzhenitsyn said mean things about Jews doesn't mean they're true. You think he doesn't have his own biases?
The Soviet Union actively persecuted Jews in the aftermath of WWII
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Grossman#Conflict_with_the_Soviet_regime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

>>2767190
This. Stormfags are retarded if they think Jews are somehow biologically driven to cause trouble.

>>2765507
obviously none of that """""evidence"""""" was forged for Nuremberg

>>2767175
>Yes yes. Let's not take word from a former KGB agent of the Soviet Union on how the soviet operated.

(((They))) always think they know shit when they don't. Putin knows what he's talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwku0UFB8_s

>>2767224
this

>>2767220
holy shit, the JIDF is out in force today

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Many diary entries of Joseph Goebbels make the genocidal intent of the Nazi Regime all too clear.

Just one example, Goebbels paraphrasing Hitler, spoken at a meeting of the NSDAP Reichs-and-Gauleiter on 12 December 1941 and recorded in Goebbels' diary entry on the following day:

«Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, dass, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muss die notwendige Folge sein. Diese Frage ist ohne jede Sentimentalität zu betrachten. Wir sind nicht dazu da, Mitleid mit den Juden, sondern nur Mitleid mit unserem deutschen Volk zu haben. Wenn das deutsche Volk jetzt wieder im Ostfeldzug an die 160 000 Tote geopfert hat, so werden die Urheber dieses blutigen Konfliktes dafür mit ihrem Leben bezahlen müssen.»
[Quoted after Christian Gerlach, Krieg, Ernährung, Völkermord, page 117.]

translation:
«Regarding the Jewish question, the Führer is determined to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that, if they were again to bring about a world war, they would experience their destruction therein. That was no catch-phrase. The world war is here, the destruction of Jewry must be the necessary consequence. This question is to be regarded without any sentimentality. We are not here to have pity with the Jews, but only to have pity with our German Volk. If the German Volk has now again sacrificed about 160 000 dead in the Eastern Campaign, the authors of this bloody conflict must pay for this with their lives.»

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>>2767247
On 27 March 1942, during the height of the war, Goebbels wrote into his diary one of the most explicit recorded references to the Nazi genocide of the Jews:

«Aus dem Generalgovernement werden jetzt, bei Lublin beginnend, die Juden nach dem Osten abgeschoben. Es wird hier ein ziemlich barbarisches und nicht näher zu beschreibendes Verfahren angewandt, und von den Juden selbst bleibt nicht mehr viel übrig. Im großen kann man wohl feststellen, daß 60 % davon liquidiert werden müssen, während nur noch 40 % in die Arbeit eingesetzt werden können. Der ehemalige Gauleiter von Wien, der diese Aktion durchführt, tut das mit ziemlicher Umsicht und auch mit einem Verfahren, das nicht allzu auffällig wirkt. An den Juden wird ein Strafgericht vollzogen, das zwar barbarisch ist, das sie aber vollauf verdient haben. Die Prophezeiung, die der Führer ihnen für die Herbeiführung eines neuen Weltkriegs mit auf den Weg gegeben hat, beginnt sich in der furchtbarsten Weise zu verwirklichen. Man darf in diesen Dingen keine Sentimentalitäten obwalten lassen.»

translation:
«The Jews are now being pushed out of the General Government, beginning near Lublin, to the East. A pretty barbaric procedure is being applied here, and it is not to be described in any more detail, and not much is left of the Jews themselves. In general one may conclude that 60% of them must be liquidated, while only 40% can be put to work. The former Gauleiter of Vienna [Globocnik], who is carrying out this action, is doing it pretty prudently and with a procedure that doesn't work too conspicuously. The Jews are being punished barbarically, to be sure, but they have fully deserved it. The prophesy that the Führer issued to them on the way, for the eventuality that they started a new world war, is beginning to realise itself in the most terrible manner. One must not allow any sentimentalities to rule in these matters.»

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>>2767253
Also:
February 14, 1942: "The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.”

And:
May 13, 1943: "The intellectual does not have the natural means of resisting the Jewish peril because his instincts have been badly blunted. Because of this fact the nations with a high standard of civilization are exposed to this peril first and foremost. In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew." (Joseph Goebbels' Diaries: Excerpts, 1942-43, Part 2 of 2: May 13, 1943 (pp. 376-377)

Finally, here's a thing that proves claims of National Socialist world domination weren't far-fetched at all:

May 13, 1943: "Aus alledem aber hat der Führer die Konsequenz gezogen, daß das Kleinstaatengerümpel, das heute noch in Europa vorhanden ist, so schnell wie möglich liquidiert werden muß. Es muß das Ziel unseres Kampfes bleiben, ein einheitliches Europa zu schaffen. Europa kann aber eine klare Organisation nur durch die Deutschen erfahren. Eine andere Führungsmacht ist praktisch nicht vorhanden. (...) Wer Europa besitzt, der wird damit die Führung der Welt an sich reißen. In diesem Zusammenhang können wir natürlich Fragen von Recht und Unrecht überhaupt nicht zur Diskussion akzeptieren."

source: Fröhlich II, Bd. 8, S. 287ff

>>2767224
>>2767227
Why do you write like that?

>>2767258
>"The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.”

This could mean anything

>>2767220
>using Wikipedia as a source

We've already been through this.


Antisemitism in the Soviet Union

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."

J. Stalin
January 12, 1931
First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936

This was from Stalin's words himself. Let me guess, you're going to discredit him as well because Stalin wasn't a historian.

How much do you holohoaxers get paid to defend these lies? Or do you do it for free?

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>>2767263
the problem with them is they are so convinced the Holohoax happened they can't actually think straight

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>>2767268
>How much do you holohoaxers get paid to defend these lies?

JIDF isn't just a meme. shills really do get paid

Can't we all agree that the holocaust did happen, but Israelis like to use it as way to justify their own little holocaust in Palestine?

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>>2767263
>We've already been through this.
Fuck off it has plenty of sources.

>This was from Stalin's words himself. Let me guess, you're going to discredit him as well because Stalin wasn't a historian.
That was two decades before. Are you going to try and deny the Doctor's Plot now? Are you going to try and deny the well-documented anti-semitism in post-WWII Soviet Union?

>>2767268
>Get BTFO
>Hurr how much do you get paid JIDF xD

>>2767276
I think it's funny that probably many of them are jews themselves who wouldn't even defend the most important myth in their tribe for free.

>>2767266
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>2767281
Jews have more important things to be doing. This is a task for the Goy spokesperson

>>2767280
It's pretty obvious you're using some sort of guide similar to this:

https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

to make your posts. Would love to have post IDs on this board, would blow you fags the fuck out.

>>2767279
More like the holocaust did not happen and the Soviets made it up to divert everyone's attention from their holocaust on Ukrainians and victims of the Gulags.

>>2767279
Yes, but there is no little holocaust in Palestine.

>>2767291
But you know that the Ukrainians after realizing that the Germans aren't better than the Soviets decided to join the Red Army?

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>>2767279
>Can't we all agree that the holocaust did happen

No there is literally no proof in favor of what the Jews say happened. Whatsoever.

>but Israelis like to use it as way to justify their own little holocaust in Palestine?

What's happening in Palestine is worse. It's Apartheid 2.0

>“To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by ‘apartheid’ you mean South African-style apartheid.

>“What is happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce…

>“The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just do not want them. They want them out, or at least in prison.”

Israel is the biggest human rights violator in the world by far and they exploit a genocide that didn't actually happen in order to ethnically cleanse Arabs and replace them with Europeans. Why can't my friends who were born in Jerusalem come back but some half-jew can? It's a terrorist state.

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>stormcucks get BTFO
>proceed to chimp out
evri tiem

>>2767309
I mean I get it but I don't care about tortured and dead brown people. These various groups of semites should just exterminate each other and get it over with.

>>2767309
>tfw /pol/ quotes Chomsky

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>>2767281
>>2767289
>E-everyone I don't like is j-jewish!!

>>2767290
NOOOO!!! Ah blast you've got me this time /pol/. This isn't the last you've heard of me!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rhGMCYWqKI

>>2767311
Is there even a point of discussing the holocaust with them? They usually are really uneducated, don't know basic facts from history and are incredibly biased anti-semites.

It's quite obvious that all their knowledge about the holocaust, Nazi Germany and Jews in 20th century came from /pol/ infographics and anti-semitic blogs.

>>2767309
Easy there Ahmed
>>2767316
Yeah pretty much this, holocaust, like it or not, did happen, butttt apparently all the generations of actual good Jews died during that and now we have Israelis going around and killing Palestinians and justifying it by saying they are defending their selves and don't want another shoa. All in all, I hope they just BTFO each other already too

>>2767323
Literally not an argument.

>>2765280
>ywn be dominated by Aryan QT 3.14 in skimpy SS uniform with stockings
>ywn have her step on your balls in her combat boots
>ywn reluctantly let her try to fit a Panzerfaust into your ass, firing as you cum your last bucket

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>>2767321
>Using religious fundamentalists as a source

>>2767309
The occupied Palestinians are living in an actual hell right now, yet the burger fascists don't give a fuck.

>>2767305
Ah yes, it's because they weren't forced under tyranny to "voluntarily" join the red army.

>>2767325
You have virtually no arguments. You guys seriously know nothing.

>>2767324
>actual good Jews
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

>>2767330
Why should I care about semites killing other semites?

>>2767331
Even Ukrainian nationalists stopped working with Germans. Probably because after they proclaimed an independent Ukraine they were arrested and sent to camps.

>>2765334
t. Never read mein kampf

>>2767333
Eh, would hardworking and laboring Jews who kept themselves be a better title for them?

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>>2767295
Is lying embeddd in your genes, inbred kikefag?

>>2767337
They aren't Semites. They are genetically European and have spoken a Germanic language for over a thousand years. I hate when Jews try to pretend they are not white.

>>2766863
>this is a picture of Poles killing Germans
>n-n-no it's not Nazis killing Poles no matter what your (((source))) says
>You can't trust that (((source))) you should trust my word more
>here is a youtube video for evidence

>>2767280
>That was two decades before.

So what if it was? It was against the law to be antisemitic at one point in the USSR. Show me documents and proof where and when this law was lifted.

>>2767343
What about Palestinian population? Is it going down?

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>>2767353
You can see the links for yourself. Jews were actively persecuted by the Stalinist regime after WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union

>Hurr wikipedia not a weal source
>Links neo-nazi website

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from "One Year in Treblinka" by Yankel Wiernek. Apparently human corpses are just like wood or petroleum and burn on their own, as long as it is a woman's corpse. The fire can tell the sex of the burning corpse. This is why accidental self-immolation is the number one cause of death by smokers.

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Also from Yankel Wiernek's book. Jews were given magic bulletproof clothing to make sure they only died by gassing. Those silly old germans.

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>>2767356
Did the Jew population go down after the supposed "Holocaust"?

>>2767357
>Marxism.org is a Neo Nazi website

Congratulations. You jewed yourself

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>>2767309
Most Jews are cruel on this topic but Chomsky is one who atleast will admit how evil they are.

He also defended Holocaust Denial, he's still a shill but I can respect that. With that being said, there is no good argument in favor of the mainstream narrative of the "Holocaust." Most of it has been forged.

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Another cool excerpt from Yankel Wiernek. The germans used special Bone-Gone™ brand fires to annihilate the bones of the the gassing victims. It's too bad the company that made these special fires went out of business and modern day cremation ovens still leave the bones left over to be ground up. What a shame.

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>>2767376

>>2767364
Yes.

>unofficial estimates
Pretty terrible source if you ask me.

>>2767291
>the Soviets made it up
Proof?