Thoughts on Neo-conservatism?

imperialist garbage

Paleo all the way. Pat Buchanan was the best voice on the McLaughlin Group.

It's shit for (some of) the same reasons that Hayek pointed out about socialism.

>>2763012
I like Pat
American Conservative is pretty based mag

>>2763012
This

A fraud just like social liberalism.

>>2762936
Traitors and RINOs who saw vacancies on the other side of the aisle and rushed to fill them.

I still unironically support the war in iraq and it will eventually be a success. Suck on that pinheads

>>2762936
A bunch of lunatics.

They're actually liberals and not even real conservatives, but since republicans are the idiot party in the us now, they fit in somehow.

>>2762936
Would've been ace if it were actually realist and not just crypto-Israeli crap

What the heck is neo conservatism?

There isn't such an ideology as conservatism. Conservatives are completely subjective to time and place. In the wake of democracy, monarchists were conservatives, then those against libertarian economy were conservatives, now biggest conservative parties in europe are libertarians in economy.

The only defining feature of neoconservatism is military interventionism, so it's basically total trash.

>>2763537
That doesn't make you a Neo-Con.

>>2764225
>The only defining feature of neoconservatism is military interventionism
That's wrong tho.

>>2764267
>That's wrong tho.
What else? I mean sure it's generally "socially conservative" but that's not a primary feature, and cucks like Rubio are increasingly downplaying the religious angle.

Israeli nationalism

>>2764275
Free Marketeering and supply-side economics.

>>2764301

My impression is that neo-cons are more partial to big government spending than standard cons.

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>"paleo"cons

>>2764306
You're not wrong, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.

>being against globalism
this makes you pant on head

>>2764312
Neo-cons are pro-globalism, you nitwit. Their entire foreign policy hedges on it

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>>2764317
I have a book for you. I know you've never read one before, but this is a good place to start.

>>2764326
>pro-free market
>buy wholesale into democratic peace theory
>not globalist because a retarded anon who just got into political history at his current age of 16 says so
Seriously, fuck off

>>2764333
globalists are not real conservatives, or real liberals eithers. You are obviously in the wrong here, fellow. It's the Bannon types like you who runied the GOP.

>>2764338
>projecting this hard
You're telling me that the advisors and main players behind most major free trade agreements, known neo-cons, are not globalists because of your own personal made up theory and on top of this I'm some irrelevant shit from a yellow journalism rag because I called you out on it? WEW LAD. Please take some poli sci courses when you get to Uni so your Professor can either educate you or the very least take a book and hammer it across your thick skull.

>>2764357
I was expelled from undegrad because I called out all the paleo-globalist shill profs of their protectionist bullshit. I bet you're one of them. don't you have a class to indoctrinate?

>>2762936
Big fan of it.

>>2764338
>"real conservatives"
>"real liberals"
i bet you think that liberal means left, conservative means right, and that there's only one dimension of political opinion, don't you

>>2764357
>>2764406
>>2764408

so all of you are literally this>>2764307

>>2764213
>What the heck is neo conservatism?
Ideologically it's neoliberalism.

>>2764301
Only in image. Their corporatists that regularly use government regulation to shut down competition for their special interest groups.

>>2764403
Sure you were. I have a feeling it has more to do with you going full /pol/tard in public and plugging your ears and screeching autistically when your professor tried to bring you into reality.

>>2764412
I'm not a paleocon or a neocon. I'm just not ignorant enough to say stupid shit on an Indonesian Dhow sail painting forum.

>>2764418
Realistically, it isn't. Neocons aren't really all that concerned with austerity, but they are in favor of privatization and supply-side econ.

>>2764427
[Citation Needed]

>>2764434
>[Citation Needed]
For what claim? They're deeply in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry, for example, which is not a free market.

>>2764439
[Citation needed]

>>2764412
“socialist in economics, a liberal in politics, and a conservative in culture.” In reality, neoconservatism isn't some cohesive ideology. What it means varies greatly depending on which "neocon" we're talking about.

>>2764441
[Citation needed]

neoconservatism is good in terms of is being reasonably pro-immigration and having a propensity towards trade agreements and international cooperation. The hawkish nation building thing is ok as long as you commit to your wars and choose your battles (we've fucked up 95% of these types of things since WWII, but it shouldn't be discounted practice). Also, capitalism is good. The general "conservative" values that otherwise make up regular conservatism are vague so I won't go into them

>>2764447
You made a claim and are now memeing while refusing to provide proof of said claim. Well done.

>>2764427
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used the word "corporatist" to refer to supporters of big business, but corporatism has nothing to do with corporations! Whoops! You should always remember to only use the word "corporatist" to refer the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups on the basis of their common interests! Calling capitalists corporatists is poor form. You should always try to be accurate as to the name of which ideology you're talking about, unless you're deliberating pretending to be retarded to get (You)s!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my part to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>2764434
>Realistically, it isn't.
Except that's exactly what it is. Neoconservatism IS neoliberals.

>>2764466
Neoliberals are pro-austerity so again, that's not correct. They share some aspects, but not all.

>>2764486
>Neoliberals are pro-austerity
When have neoliberals ever challenged the welfare state?

>>2764493
Since Friedman and Hayek.

Basically old school conservativism + muh Israel

>>2764516
>Basically old school conservativism + muh Israel
Will this meme ever die? Old school conservatism in the US is isolationist.

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>>2764506
Yet despite dictating government policy since the 1980s neoliberals never got around to cutting it. Really makes you think.

>>2764533
Except they haven't been dictating government policy since the 1980s. Neo-cons have.

>>2764459
I already provided an example. Do you want a specific recent news article? I assumed you already knew, but here's one:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/12/cory-booker-joins-senate-republicans-to-kill-measure-to-import-cheaper-medicine-from-canada/

>>2764464
>Corporatism, also known as corporativism,[1] is the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups, known as corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of their common interests.[2]
>such as agricultural, business
No need to thank me!

>>2764554
>example
You made a claim and then threw a temper tantrum that someone asked you to prove it. Nice legitimate source btw. I'm absolutely certain you can back that up with something factual and not something that outright calls itself an unofficial source.

>>2764574
Do you not follow the news at all? It was a big story a few months ago. Are you a European pretending he knows American politics?

>>2764577
>Do you not follow the news at all? It was a big story a few months ago
Okay, prove that.

>>2764584
Already did.

A scam that continues to fleece the American people while perpetuating injustices around the world and enriching a small group of unabashed and shameless faggots in Washington and Tel Aviv.

>>2764551
http://fpif.org/from_keynesianism_to_neoliberalism_shifting_paradigms_in_economics/

>For the last 25 years, economic policy and the public’s thinking have been dominated by a conservative economic philosophy known as neoliberalism. The reference to “liberalism” reflects an intellectual lineage that connects with 19th century economic liberalism associated with Manchester, England. The Manchester system was predicated upon laissez-faire economics and was closely associated with free trade and the repeal of England’s Corn Law, which restricted importation of wheat. Contemporary neoliberalism is principally associated with the Chicago School of Economics, which emphasizes the efficiency of market competition, the role of individuals in determining economic outcomes, and distortions associated with government intervention and regulation of markets.

The elections of Margaret Thatcher in 1979 and Ronald Reagan in 1980 can be viewed as inaugurating the formal period of neoliberal economic policy dominance. The last quarter century has seen an expanding application of neoliberal ideas within both industrialized and developing-country economies. Compared to the 1945-80 era, this recent period has seen substantially slower economic growth and widening income inequality, both within and between countries.

Really makes you think...

>>2764493
You don't know what neoliberalism is, do you?

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>>2764595
>Compared to the 1945-80 era, this recent period has seen substantially slower economic growth

>>2764590
>The Intercept is a legitimate source of proof for a claim that you say is a big news story
Bravo. Next you'll link me something from Natural News.

>>2764595
>using some neoliberal ideas (by your own source) means full neoliberalism
Really makes you think. By that logic, most European states are full communist since they use some socialist ideas.

>>2764602
http://fpif.org/from_keynesianism_to_neoliberalism_shifting_paradigms_in_economics/

This is an actual article describing what neoliberalism actually is. You're going to say it's wrong because you're an idiot or just retarded?

>>2764611
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/13/bernie-sanders-pharma-bill-vote-reveals-new-battle-lines-commentary.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/02/28/bernie-sanders-takes-another-swing-at-big-pharma-with-bill-to-allow-drug-imports/?utm_term=.9fcc13df8b5c
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/321597-sanders-introduces-bill-that-would-allow-the-purchase-of-drugs-from-canada
http://www.businessinsider.com/members-of-house-and-senate-introduce-drug-importation-bill-2017-2
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/01/12/americans_want_to_buy_cheaper_medicine_from_canada_why_did_12_democrats.html

>>2762936

Third most destructive political ideology in the modern era, after communism and nazism.

>>2764627
There. Was finding an actual news source so difficult?

>>2764636
Was clicking the first link to Congress.gov, on the first article I provided, so difficult?

>>2764642
>links the equivalent of a blogspot article
>expects people to take it seriously
>continues to throw a tantrum after his opponent concedes to actual evidence

>>2764614
Your own article states that the U.S. didn't adopt neoliberalism in full, you fucking idiot.

>In practice, policy has not been applied as pure neoliberal theory would suggest. The United States has pursued a path of expansionary macro policy built on large budget deficits, countercyclical interest rates, and the erosion of social protections. The result has been relatively full employment and worsening income distribution. Contrastingly, Europe has pursued contractionary macro policies centered on high interest rates and fiscal austerity while maintaining its institutions of social protection. The result has been high unemployment and only modest progress in alleviating income inequality

>>2764646
>greentexting and making petty arguments like an autist
>not throwing a tantrum

>>2764651
>Source Criticism
>Petty
This is an academic board. If you want people to take anything you post as a serious source, head to /bant/ or /pol/.

>>2764656
>changing the argument to only care about the source when you were totally btfo over the original argument
>not petty

>>2764662
>rightfully disregarded a blogspot equivalent
>conceded when given actual source
>btfo
Sure thing lad

>>2764650
>Not in full
Sorry. Only 90%. My bad. I guess only pure ideology counts as being an ideology now. In that case no country has ever had an ideology as no country has every purely practiced an abstract ideology.

>>2764656
Speaking of source criticism, you could have read the Intercept link and noticed the congress.gov link on the page to which it would have taken you if you'd been arguing in good faith by reading the sources provided to you by your interlocutor.

>>2764669
>Only 90%.
Not even half.

>>2764671
Considering the link was "Bernie Sanders" I'd say otherwise.

>>2764668
Are you conceding my point in >>2764427 as well?

>>2764674
>Considering
I hate Sanders as much as the next guy but I don't follow your reasoning even a little bit.

>>2764683
It could've literally been anything.

>>2764681
That's literally all I'm conceding. You've lost anything else by being a shit over legitimate source criticism.

>>2764674
>Not even half.
I wish it was 0 as neoliberalism is truly the spawn of Satan. I don't like classical liberalism either but at least it's livable. neoliberalism is filth incarnate.

>>2764690
Cool story. That doesn't make the US neoliberal anymore than a few socialist policies make Europe communist.

>>2764688
>It could've been literally anything
I don't even know what you're talking about.

>>2764696
US government is 80% neoliberal, 20% democratic socialist. It's by all means neoliberal.

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>>2764669
>In that case no country has ever had an ideology as no country has every purely practiced an abstract ideology.
You're almost there!

>>2764688
>being a shit
[Citation needed]

>>2764702
Whoa, nice statistics, sauce?

>>2764698
The link to congress.gov was hidden under Bernie Sanders. It could be literally anything. For all I know, it could be a link to articles ABOUT Bernie Sanders.

>>2764702
Your own source about neoliberalism contradicts you.

>>2764706
>Make claim >>2764427
>someone asks you to provide source >>2764434
>you throw a tantrum >>2764439
>request for citation is repeated >>2764441
>you double down on tantrum >>2764447
>request for citation is repeated a second time >>2764459
>provide blogspot equivalent >>2764554
>legitimate source criticism ensues >>2764574
>tantrum by you over source criticism >>2764577
>request to provide legitimate source >>2764584
>tantrum >>2764590
>more source criticism >>2764611
>actual sources FINALLY provided 5 posts later >>2764627
>Concession to legitimate source >>2764636

You could have just provided a legitimate source for your claims from the get go as requested. Instead, you were a little shit and you're still being a shit after a concession from your opponent because he DARED to question your claims and criticise an illegitimate source.

>>2764705
America has been a neoliberal society since the 1980s to any non-retarded observer. That doesn't mean 100% of America needs to be neoliberal.

>>2764732
>post a source that states that the U.S. never adopted neoliberalism but a few aspects of neoliberal ideology
>proceed to call it retarded because it contradicts your claims that the U.S. in neoliberal
Very good job.

>>2764730
>you throw a tantrum
That was not a tantrum, I didn't know what claim they wanted cited, so I gave an example of what I thought they wanted. Then instead of responding to my question like a reasonable adult, they just spammed [Citation needed] a second time.

After that, I provided the first available source for a widely-discussed story containing a link to the specific bill in question supporting my initial claim.

>>2764741
>I didn't know what claim they wanted cited
NIGGER YOU ONLY MADE ONE CLAIM PRIOR TO THAT. The fuck did you think they wanted? A god damn citation on particle physics?

>>2764730
>It could be literally anything
I still don't understand what this is supposed to mean.

>>2764747
It was such a well-known fact that government and corporations collude that I assumed any reasonable anon would have been satisfied after mentioning a famous recent example.

>>2764754
>would have been satisfied after mentioning a famous recent example
>famous
So famous that the first citation you provided was from a fake news outlet

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>>2764747
If you ask someone for a source when they make a claim about Big Pharma having a lot of political pull, it's reasonable to expect the person of whom you've made this demand to ask for clarification, because everyone already knows that it's true and the only debate is over the way to treat the determinate fact, not about whether the fact's truth-value is true or false.
>Well-cited link is posted that provides you with what you ask for
>Get mad because it isn't on your list of approved sources so you don't bother to read the article
>Assume it's garbage when it's actually what you asked for: a citation of a claim about a generally recognized fact
>Get shown several other articles backing up the claim from more reputable sources
>Continue arguing
This is where you're at now
>yfw

>>2764702
Meh, there's a good chunk of the morons who claim to be "nationalists" but don't support single payer healthcare, nationalizing industries, stepping down from the role of world police, environmentalism, or the removal of divisions between one citizen and another in there.

>>2764766
>If you ask someone for a source when they make a claim about Big Pharma having a lot of political pull
That was not the original claim. The argument wouldn't have even been had if the first response was a legitimate source. Instead we have devolved into tantrums over very reasonable source criticism. If anyone gave you a link to infowars or blogspot, I'm sure you'd shoot it down as illegitimate. There's no reason to criticize someone for doing the same to a progressive version.

>>2764755
>a fake news outlet
I take issue with the use of the term 'fake news' because it's a vaguely defined euphemism intended to make the man on the street equate institutional identity with production of true discourse and attempts to categorize some news outlets as having a set of credentials that renders them panoptic and all others as blind, deaf, and retarded. There are true claims and false claims; there are agents making claims, which are either true or false; there are institutions employing claim-makers; there is not 'fake news' or 'real news.' You are a faggot.
>>2764770
Using the term 'fake news' unironically makes me think that you're incapable of source criticism and take all your cues about truth and falsehood from CNN, MSNBC, or the BBC. Maybe FOX but probably not.

>>2764768
>Meh, there's a good chunk of the morons who claim to be "nationalists" but don't support single payer healthcare, nationalizing industries, stepping down from the role of world police, environmentalism, or the removal of divisions between one citizen and another in there.
Where is that? In America, nationalism is soon as taboo and "far right." although oddly enough, hyper patriotism is still accepted

>>2764775
>You used a phrase that I don't like and therefore anything you say is automatically wrong
On a scale of 1 to drooling and punching yourself in the face, how far down the spectrum are you?

>>2764784
>In America, nationalism is soon as taboo and "far right." although oddly enough, hyper patriotism is still accepted
Oh God, when will I stop seeing retards make posts like this one? Will I have to gouge out my eyes and cut off my hands?

>>2764787
I just broke my nose

>>2764790
Go to whatever school or job you spend your time at and tell your peers that your a nationalist. See what they say.

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>>2764810
I can't do that, they'll all think I'm gay and I want to fugg most of the girls I work with.

>>2764810
I try to avoid politics in the workplace when I can.

>>2764814
So you admit nationalism is seen as taboo in America and at best it's considered strange to identify as one in public?

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>>2762936
Neoliberalism is superior

>>2764810
there's a "nationalist" in the fucking white house, love

again, he's not really a nationalist because he's still staying in other countries' business, allowing for the continuation of racial oppression, denying his people healthcare, and not getting megacorps in line, but he still says he's one and he's still president

>>2764819
I don't think you understand the relationship between language, ideology, and society as well as you think you do. I'll admit that much.

>>2764821
No, he just talks about combating 'globalism.'

Literally Trotskyism for American Jews who hope to use the U.S. Army as an instrument for world revolution, instead of the Red Army, as Trotsky originally wanted.

There is nothing "conservative" about them, and I pity the fools who belive otherwise.

>>2764832
>I don't think you understand the relationship between language, ideology, and society as well as you think you do.
Yet you have't given any reason as to why my statements >>2764819, >>2764810 and >>2764784 are incorrect. Just a bunch of ad homs and vague ramblings.

>>2764845
You can make factually correct statements and still be an idiot. You're doing it right now.

>>2764843
>They're Communist Jews!
That ol' one! It's been a couple months since I heard that.

>>2764855
But that's exacly what they are

>but what about this neocon who criticized communism

Notice that when neocons criticize communism, they only criticism the moderate, livable communism that emerged after the Great Purge, they never criticize the October Revolution itself, or dekulakization.

What they are against is not communism itself, but the path Stalin took after he decided to get rid of the (((Old Bolsheviks))).

>>2764881
>Echoes meme
Yeah, I'm done responding to you.

>>2763012
Paleoconservatism would be great except it falls into the two big traps of virtually all conservative movements in the United States: MUH SMALL GOVERNMENT and MUH RELIGION. Small government pretty much does not work; we have virtually the entirety of American history (and the pre-Constitution Articles of Confederation period explicitly) to show us that. If you're going to do limited government then just go whole hog and balkanize the country by region/identities. Make the United States cease to exist.

Religion is the other one because religion, in the United States, is the domain of culture warriors and allying with them is pretty much retarded. The only people who like culture warriors are culture warriors and the sooner losing cultural battles (abortion especially) are dropped the better.

I don't really know what the alternative is beyond something that truly emphasizes E Pluribus Unum starting with an emphasis on the role of family bonds, local bonds, etc. which all converge level upon level into the power of the head of state. You don't really need fag hatin' or GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEE for that.

>>2764893
>Small government pretty much does not work; we have virtually the entirety of American history (and the pre-Constitution Articles of Confederation period explicitly) to show us that.
wut? First off, define "small government." Second off, America grew most of it's wealth during times of hand off approach.

>>2763550
>gain 1200 political seats nationwide in the last 6 years
>idiot party
Think again, commie cockholster.

>>2764893
>Small government pretty much does not work; we have virtually the entirety of American history (and the pre-Constitution Articles of Confederation period explicitly) to show us that. If you're going to do limited government then just go whole hog and balkanize the country by region/identities. Make the United States cease to exist.
This seems well-thought out. Eloquent, too.
>Religion is the other one because religion, in the United States, is the domain of culture warriors and allying with them is pretty much retarded. The only people who like culture warriors are culture warriors and the sooner losing cultural battles (abortion especially) are dropped the better.
So religion should be abandoned in general because it's part of the domain of culture and everyone who cares about culture is cringe-worthy? I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
>You don't really need fag hatin' or GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEE for that.
You do when the majority of the electorate is retarded.

>>2764893
The alt-right was supposed to solve that, taking the anti-immigration and pro-security positions of paleoconservatism, but withouth the limited government worship and the Christian bullshit.

Then it degenerated into Nazi LARPing and massive autism.

>>2763537
According to what criteria? What would make it "successful" according to your highly deranged mind?

>>2762936
Absolutely retarded.

>>2764913
Yeah, it's pretty fucking stupid. Now we have a douchebag in the White House who's still bombing the middle east and is pushing forward a health bill that covers less people, not more, and half the country thinks everyone who didn't want open borders wanted it.

>>2764898
That's plainly false. America reached its heights in the 50's, when taxes were fucking north of 70%, the GI bill put an entire generation in college on the government's tab, unions were peaking, and the US took a heavy protectionist stance on its economy.

America's greatest boom came at the LEAST hands off point in its history.

>>2762936
He's really smart, and handsome too.

>>2764944
>America reached its heights in the 50's
That's because of the post-war boom. Not a usually circumstance
> taxes were fucking north of 70%
Yet somehow I people owned more hard assets.
>unions were peaking
That's not government unless they're federal unions.

>>2764898
America grew most of its wealth through having a ridiculous abundance of land and natural resources they were able to steal from the natives and imported slaves tho

I guess this was less true in the 50s, but >>2764944 is right about that time

>>2762936
Liberalism for the other half of the populace

>>2764888
It's because you're uninformed and have knee-jerk reactions to defend anyone Jewish or a Jew himself. Neo-conservatism itself was founded by an "ex-liberal" Jew,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan

and all major neo-conservatives have been moderate to liberal on social issues- the "conservatism" within the "party" has been predominantly economical Robert Kagan (aforementioned) being an example. Ones, such as David Horowitz or Ben Shapiro, that have been conservative socially have always focused predominantly on pro-Israel, anti-Islam policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Shapiro

Other, such as Richard Perle have worked directly with the Israelis and Netanyahu on influencing American policy for Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle

>Richard Norman Perle (born September 16, 1941) is an American political advisor, consultant, and lobbyist...he was heavily involved with the Reagan administration and served as an assistant Secretary of Defense and also worked on the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee from 1987 to 2004. He was Chairman of the Board in 2001 under the Bush Administration but eventually resigned in 2003 due to conflict of interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

>A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm... is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction.

>>2764901
>So religion should be abandoned in general because it's part of the domain of culture and everyone who cares about culture is cringe-worthy? I don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
More the idea that religion needs to be taken from the stranglehold that Evangelicals and other culture warrior types have on it. Repurposed from the idea of cultural regression to emphasizing the social aspect that it holds as the church (or churches) act as something of a central point with which to build local bonds and networks.

>You do when the majority of the electorate is retarded.
Not everyone should have the right to vote in all honesty but the problem, of course, is in determining who does and doesn't have that right. The "obvious" answer is active vs. passive citizen but it's almost impossible to really determine what constitutes an active citizen since it's vague and could mean many things to many people.

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>>2762936
>tfw to intelligent to not be radical centrist

>>2765037
>The "obvious" answer is active vs. passive citizen but it's almost impossible to really determine what constitutes an active citizen since it's vague and could mean many things to many people.

Everybody who wants to vote does 2 years of national service.

>>2764705
lol

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>>2765112
>tradition
>little precedent

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>>2764944
>taxes were fucking north of 70%
Here we go again

>>2765354
Radical centrism puts him in the company of great intellectual luminaries like Thomas Friedman.

>>2764964

>muh stolen land
>muh slaves

Hey tumblr. Ever notice how worse the South is despite all the slaves they had?

>>2765008
>still no responses to this post
You're all fools you Americans.

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>>2764893
>Small government pretty much does not work; we have virtually the entirety of American history (and the pre-Constitution Articles of Confederation period explicitly) to show us that

Why is /leftypol/ here? You have to go back

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What does /his/ think of Douglas Murray?

>>2765867
Honest answer, Israeli stooge.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/douglas-murray-on-israel-and-a-nuclear-iran/article/620768


>Murray is the associate director of the Henry Jackson Society
>The Henry Jackson Society is a neo-conservative British think tank.[1][2][3][4] It has been described as right-wing, but positions itself as cross-partisan, with support from a number of left-leaning politicians.[5][6][7] The former think tank Centre for Social Cohesion has been a part of HJS since 2011. It is named after the American politician Henry M. Jackson, the late Democratic Senator and anticommunist liberal hawk.[8]
>In 2006, the society worked to raise the profile of the Ahwazi Arabs of Iran, who it claims are currently being oppressed by the Iranian government.[10]
Now why would a right wing, oft described as anti-Islam think-tank promote a minority and cause tensions in Iran? Who would profit from that the most?
Also, regarding the think-tanks namesake Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Wikipedia doesn't mention it, but Jackson was Jewish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson
>The political philosophies and positions of Scoop Jackson have been cited as an influence on a number of key figures associated with neoconservatism, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, both of whom previously served as aides to the Senator.[3] The Henry Jackson Society is named in his honor.
Lets follow this thread and research Perle, who was mentored by Jackson (and is also Jewish)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle

When will you people learn, these sellouts will lie to you for Jewish money and send you and your children to war again and again for Israeli interests.

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Literally Israeli subversion financed by Jewish money.

>>2765112
>tfw you are the Macron train the moment he started En Marche
>tfw literally every MSM outlet dismissed him and said he had no chance
>tfw now people are trying to act like he is the party of the establishment when he is the only true outsider in the race

Epic

>>2765867

has an occasional point but is so incredibly biased

a good example of an intelligent and articulate person who simply finds and uses information to support their position after they've already taken it, rather than consider they could possibly not be 100% correct

>>2766357
The best lies are the ones covered in some truth. Just like poison requiring something to mask it's flavor.

>>2762936
Neoliberalism with no human face

>>2766351
>Rothschild banker
>outsider
Bitch please the only real outsiders are Melenchon and Le Pen

>>2765008
>uninformed
No, I know that they're Jewish and that they like Israel and hate Islam, I just don't have patience for people who use TRS memes at this point in my life. Failure to denounce something != support of that same something. These people aren't Communists, they're opportunists and retards.

>>2764916
It's a working democracy now you stutpid pinhead

>>2762936
A whore of an ideology.

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>>2765112
>>2766351
>tfw your a white nationalist lapen supporter, but you bet money on Macron anyway because you know he'll win