Mexico thread

my greatgrand parents go married in secret because the cristero was was going on and, redshirted millitiamen where shooting all the preists

*got married in secret

>>2762792
>redshirted millitiamen where shooting all the preists
you know its fucking unbelievable how little the "priest genocide" in Mexico is known throught the world.
i mean by the end of the war their were only a couple hundred priests in all of mexico, and most states didn't have a single one at all.

thank God my great uncle fought with the cristeros.

>>2762787
I love Mexican history, there is so much to learn and discuss. Any period in particular OP?

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>>2762787
>so let's have an actual discussion about its history and people
what specifically did you have in mind?
the independence?
era of Santa Anna?
"bomberito" Juarez
Porfirio Diaz?
the Revolution?
the "perfect dictatorship?

>>2762792
My great grandfather fought in the war too. They Supported the church

>>2762847
Santa Anna. I know next to nothing of him or that era

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>>2762865

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zacatecas_(1914)
i think my great-great grandfather was here with villas army

>>2762880
Also let's talk about villa!

Was he a hero to the poor, or a opportunistic brigand?

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>>2762861
oh boy! Santa Anna may have been a bastard but he led an interesting life and effected Mexico in way still felt today.

well "Antonio de Padua María Severino López de Santa Anna y Pérez de Lebrón" fought in the war of independence, and like most creole Generals, at first he fought against the rebels, but later switched sides late in the war to be on the winning side.

in 1823, after the Revolution and Iturbide proclaimed himself Emperor, Iturbide dissolved the congress which i guess pissed of Santa Anna who then came up with "Plan of Casa Mata" which was ment to abolish the monarchy forever and make mexico a republic

>>2762880
my great uncle, and an unknown member of my dads family fought at the battle of Celaya, thankfully he didn't die.

>>2762889
It's sad to look at the abusive relationship between the US and Mexico

>>2762884
depends who you talk to.
i think he was a hero to the poor, but my families from chihuahua, there he is a hero to us.
if he was a brigand why did the keep fighting carranza after it was clear they would win.
why did he say while in comfortable retirement at a ranch, that he would rebell again if the people asked him to

>>2762889
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

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>>2762787
Santa Anna is absolutely shit.
Long live Emperor Maximillian.

>>2762939
>Be Maximillian
>Get shot

>>2762939
*long live Porfiro Díaz

>>2762939
>Literally not better that Madero.

>>2762939
This

>>2762948
It's funny how Diaz bacame what Maxy was meant to be

>>2762952
He was more palatable to the Mexican public

>>2762952
Diaz was kind of a prick at the end of his rule. So much so that it kind of lead to the revolution

>>2762954
I think Maxy would have been a better ruler desu

>>2762959
Shame his French overlords killed thousands of mexicans

>>2762905
What did he do to lead to the Mexican American war? Who was in the wrong in the war? I can't see any legitimate reason to think the US was in the right, but I do like to see things from many perspectives

>>2762964
Well it was a war. I don't see what you're expecting

>>2762965
>Polk wants to buy southwest
>Mexico tells Polk to go fuck himself
>Polk sends troops into land that Mexico had claimed since independence
>U.S. chimps out when U.S. troops are attacked on Mexican land
>U.S then justifies war of aggression by saying Mexico started it and sold the land under no pressure

"the war was one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation." -Ulysses S. Grant(who fought in the Mexican war)

>>2762965
>>2762980
dont even get me started on the Texan war

>>2762980
This makes me sad. Rip Mexican territory. At least we didn't have to deal with the apaches

>>2762986
Get started pls

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>>2762939
yeah i agree santanna was shit

>>2762964
That's just how Mexican's say hello though, the frogs were simply trying to fit in.

>>2763017
Kek

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>>2762996
at least we kinda got them back

>>2762792
Was that during Calles? The Sonorans were based because of they came out on top after La Revolucion, but they fucked shit up trying to manufacture a national identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Los_Angeles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dominguez_Rancho

>added to the local economy.

In 1846, the United States went to war against Mexico and sent a naval and land expedition to conquer Alta California. At first they had an easy time of it capturing the major ports including San Diego, but the Californios in southern Alta California struck back. Following the successful revolt in Los Angeles, the American garrison at San Diego was driven out without firing a shot in early October 1846. Mexican partisans held San Diego for three weeks until October 24, 1846, when the Americans recaptured it. For the next several months the Americans were blockaded inside the pueblo. Skirmishes occurred daily and snipers shot into the town every night. The Californios drove cattle away from the pueblo hoping to starve the Americans and their Californio supporters out. On December 1 the Americans garrison learned that the dragoons of General Stephen W. Kearney were at Warner's Ranch. Commodore Robert F. Stockton sent a mounted force of fifty under Captain Archibald Gillespie to march north to meet him. Their joint command of 150 men, returning to San Diego, encountered about 93 Californios under Andrés Pico. In the ensuing Battle of San Pasqual, fought in the San Pasqual Valley which is now part of the city of San Diego, the Americans suffered their worst losses in the campaign. Subsequently, a column led by Lieutenant Gray arrived from San Diego, rescuing Kearny's battered and blockaded command.[24]

mexican forces fought better in socal than anywhere else

>>2762884
The centaur of the north! Francisco was much more based than Zapata.

>>2762999
>Mexico allows Americans to settle in Texas
>asks them to assimilate and pay taxes
>some do, most don't
>asks them not to bring slaves
>they do
>asks them to inform government about newly built homesteds
>some do, most don't
>seeing Texas as a land to espace problems thats populated with your own people many outlaws and squatters move to Texas
>Said outlaws, squatters and slave owner's as well as a few native "Tejanos" rebel against Mexico
>After they win Independence Texans betray Tejanos by taking many of their lands and even deporting them to Mexico

>>2763026
Mfw one of the best equipped and manned armies can't find some peasant soldier

>>2763034
so from the catholic point of view the state was unfairly perscuting catholics and they revolted to regain their rights
from the gov't point of view they (the gov't) where modernizing mexico, until the catholics revolting and killing mexican officials

>>2762889
>military base under siege by the US Army
>general orders the fucking children from the military academy to help the defense
>castle falls, half a dozen teenage idiots refuse to retreat
>they promptly die
>the last one grabs the castle's flag before an heroing so the hijoputa Yanquis can't get it
>castle still falls regardless, America is now the proud owner of one Mexican flag that needs a thorough soaking
>Mexico still gets BTFO
>still acts like it's Thermopylae-tier, when it's somehow even stupider than the Alamo

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ill dumb some revolution pics

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>>2763065

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>>2762943
So sad ;__;

My great grandfather was a German surgeon who exploited the poor in the silver mines during the Porfiriato. My grandfather was hidden in a cast iron stove when Huerta took Mexico City.

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>>2763071
your great grandpa was a dick

my father went to collage in mexico city
he had this immulogy professor who held back some mexican troops in 1968

>be my dads professor
>1968 mexico at the polytechnic
>see the soldiers
>hear the gun shots
>put some dry ice and some water in a bottle (it smokes)
>stand outside of one the buildings
>the soldiers come up
>he tells them that he has a bomb
>the soldiers leave
>he bluffed an army with water and dry ice

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>>2763076

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>>2763079
kek that's awesome

>>2763082
some revolutionary Generals

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>>2763086
"El Chacal" (the Jackal) Victoriano Huerta

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>>2763092
Villa

>>2763053
Villa made Pershing look like a scrub.

CUANDO SEA GRANDE
QUIERO SER PANCHO VILLA

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>>2763093
some soldaderas posing

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>>2763098

>>2762965
>labd depopulated of mexicans because of raids and warfare from the nomadic apache empire
>mexicans beed more ppl to repopulate
>invite gringos to settle the land
>the zerf rush to settle it cause muh manifest destiny
>whites bring disgusting barbaric institution of slavery, which mexicans banned at independence, because bloodthirsty degenerate dixies collectively plot to make texas a slave state
>lol we slave province nao
>mexico: we implore you to end your exploitative practices, which is alien to liberal civilization
>the treacherous dixie: DEES SPICS THING HTEY TEK OUR LAAND IZ OUR PROPUHTEE DIS LAND WUZ EMTEE WEN WE GOT HERE
>mexicans, within their sovereign rights, send an expedition to stop conspiring separatists.
>whites in texas start autistically screeching, which summons more southerners to funnel in to attack mexico, while the corrupt swamp in DC acts like a hippie parent refusing to rein in his childs tabtrums in public accepting this illegal mercenary action

>>2763078
Eat shit indio.

>>2763095
That's really funny actually

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>>2763101
some federal troops

>>2762980
>Conventiently forgets to mention that Texas had claim that land since its independence

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>i live one town over from where the magonistas where

>>2763103
You're complaining about Indios in Mexico. Rethink your life pls

>>2763116
agreed, im a (mostly) white mexican, but indians are part of mexico.. we all are

>>2763126
Ye. Mexico is nice that way

>>2763103
Huerta was an indio too.

>>2763110
>send thousands of soldiers on land a foreign nations claimed since Independence
>chimp out when that nation attacks your invading force that was sent for the sole purpose of instigating a war

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>>2763109

Anyone wanna post something about any of the evil shit that Victoriano did?
I know he cut off some Congressman's tongue.

>>2763115
>nobody wants to talk about the mexican anarchist who took over tijuana in 1911

>>2763116
I wasn't complaining about anything Cuauhtemoc, just banter.

>>2763142
i know he would massacre whole villages in morelos

>>2763148
Huh, funny. That's my homestate, guess he didn't like Zapata that much.

>>2763143
Magon bros were crazy radicals. That's the extent of my knowledge.

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>>2763153
>sabaton

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>>2763158

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>>2763160

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>>2763161

>>2763140
WHO DA F is that cutie in the middle?

>>2763164
i have not idea, sorry

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>>2763162

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>>2763166

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>>2763169
a pic of Diaz before the revolution

>>2763164
your average Adelita

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>>2763165
could that be adelita?

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>>2763177
idk

>>2763174

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>>2763180

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>>2763182

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>>2763183
Victoriano Huerta a year before the coup against Madero, in this battle(Second Battle of Rellano) him and Villa were actually on the same side

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>>2763192
a photo taken druing the Ten Tragic Days

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>>2763196

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>>2763201

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>>2763205

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Ap_Rhys_Pryce
one the magonista generals

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>>2763209

>>2762980
Manifest destiny

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>>2763211
Villa at Madero's funeral

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>>2763213
villa looking /fa/ as fuck

Mexico got screwed over by how shitty its start was
Not to mention getting raped by france and the US and multiple bloody civil wars

Can someone explain why the scale of combat in the Mexican Revolution was so incredibly tiny?

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>>2763216
Villa, Obregon and Pershing

>>2763047
Remember when Sam Houston BTFO your greatest military leader in one battle? LOL

Remember the Alamo, remember Goliad.

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>>2763222

>>2763231
>Santa Anna
>greatest military leader
please that title belongs to either Porfiro Diaz, Ignacio Zaragoza or Alvaro obregon

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>>2763237

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>>2763239

>>2763102
So liberal, doesn't justify subjugation of minorities (anglos). Texas was always a backwater to Mexico proper anyway.

>>2763237
That's only because of said defeat to the Texans, which was crushing. They called him the "Napoleon of the west", perhaps not the best of all time, but at the time he was a formidable force. Probably was defeated because of his pride and hubris.

>>2763250
> subjugation
I don't think you know what that word means. It had nothing to do with the anglo's minority status, but their refusal to pay taxes and refusal to stop using slaves. The Mexican state was within its sovereign rights to punish people who violated these rules.

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>>2763243

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>>2763289

>>2763285
Also forgot to mention that the white settlers were abusing Mexicans and seizing their property illegally

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>>2763292
based

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>>2763304

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>>2763310

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>>2763311

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>>2763314

>>2763311
and this is the precise moment mexico is screwed up for decades till today.

>>2763323
true, Mexico would be more or less the same if Villa lived or not, but without Zapata the people lost hope.

>>2763314
i saw that car in chihuahua its a museam now

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>>2763343

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>>2763172
Seems far from it

>>2762787
Who /mexican/?
Who /diaspora/?

>>2763364
>tfw I'm the only member of my family born in the US
It's got it's upsides and downsides

Anon who is posting all the pics, thank you!

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>>2763373
Please tell me about it Anon

>>2763379
You're welcome, I love pics from the revolution. I would post a pic of my great uncle but I don't have it.

>>2763383
Well I'm a citizen so it makes legal and government stuff easier but I get shit from my family for not actually being Mexican

>>2763397
What do they say to you?

>>2763416
Off the top of my head
>"you don't now spanish cause your not mexican"
>"do you even like mexican food?"
>"you're not a REAL mexican"

but it's really just assumptions they make, they assume I don't like mexican food, they assume I don't know how to speak Spanish, they assume I don't even like mexico.
And every time i show some sort of knowledge about mexican culture or history they're all super surprised, like I haven't spent the last 21 years of my life in Mexican family.

>>2763311
delete.

Happy cinco de mayo mexibros

>>2763139
>setting up a war is a chimp out
It wasn't a chimp out, it was a shark hunting for a fish that could no nothing but throw tacos at it

>>2763616
We don't even give a shit about it, it's like our st. patricks day. Just an excuse to get wrecked.

>>2763110
>Texas had claim that land
It did so baselessly, even when it was a single state with Coahuila its border never followed the Rio Grande.

>>2762889
AYY GET REKT

>>2763053
>one of the best equipped and manned armies
>in 1916
not really

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>it's a santa anna retires a general who was spanking the texans to go lead and ends up losing everything in one battle episode
>it's a santa anna returns from exile to lead and then makes things worse episode
>it's a santa anna loses his wooden leg episode
>it's a santa anna gets kicked out for the fifth time but not before taking more state gold with him to cuba episode

>>2762787
you guys won a battle and still lost the war

>>2763797
>"us"
>"we"

This isn't /pol/. Try to put your ego aside for obe second. Sone of us are here to discuss and share ideas, not wank off over ourselves.

>>2763237
AYY I was named after Alvaro obregon

>>2763221
I don't think the Federal Army was that big, but Diaz and the Cientificos had mismanaged for too long anyway. Diaz laid a lot of railroad which would facilitate troop movement, but revolutionaries like Villa hit the railroads to cut them off. Diaz folded quickly. The real fighting was during the post-revolutionary interegnum. It wasn't just revolutionary leaders and counter-revs vying for control though. The break down of authority allowed mobilized groups of dudes to descend into brigands.

>>2763893
I'm not giving enough credit to the shit that went on in Morelos or Mexico State cause I don't know enough. I didn't read that book.

>>2763364
I'm half basque and living in Wisconsin. I will move back to Mexico soon, and hopefully do what I can to fix the country

Who else is a soon to be /guerrilla/?

>>2763616
Also, QUE VIVA MAXIMILIANO

>>2763785
Yeah. They were pretty well equipped. Better than most other nations at the time

>>2763098
>soldaderas
>not prostitutas
We all know the truth. Why act like they were the ones doing a man's job?

>>2763280
"Napoleon of the West" is something Santa Anna called himself, you tard. It means nothing when everyone else thinks you are a joke.
Even Mexico's nigger president was a better general than him.

>>2763061
>myeeh myeeh my butt is sore
Sudacas always with the inferiority complex.

>>2763015
Goddamn. Mexico would have been a better place had he not been betrayed.

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>>2763444
CHICANO
Kidding mate, unlike you I'm currently studying in the US. I sometimes wish I could go back sooner, the US is boring, and shitty

>>2763679
Your ancestors spilled blood to defend their land from Frenchies. Don't shit talk them.

>>2762787
can anyone tell me about zacatecas? it's the state my mom's from. is it nice? i've read its more spanish-mestizo. lots of silver mines apparently.

>>2764086
Neat!

It's still an excuse to get wasted.

dwi

>>2764069
Say what you will about Salinas, but the man is a genius.

>>2764120
I love you guys!

>>2764122
He is a self serving thief of which there are many. He is neither alone nor extraordinary in his ability to steal and is worthy of no notable feat for all he did is use power to hide action something which even the most dull of authoritarians is capable.

>>2764146
Fucking BTFO

>>2764146
Do you have a PhD from Harvard? :^)

>>2764156
Oh, and by the way, he didn't need to hide it because he knew Mexicans are lazy, candyass brainlets who wouldn't lift a finger.

Also, he made socialist twats butthurt and for that I love him. More dead commies, fuck the 43

>>2764156
I am Anonymous, of course I do.

>>2764118
>i've read its more spanish-mestizo.
yeah it is

>lots of silver mines apparently.
yeah most central state have lots of silver mines, or at least have lots of silver

i dont know much about Zacatecas, but i do know their march is pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdKXTdcHyc

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So was Obregon assassinated because he kept anti-catholic policies in place?

>>2764160
>he made socialist twats butthurt
by american standards he was a socialist.

>>2764169
yes, his assassin literally shouted "viva cristo rey" before he was executed

>>2764177
>his assassin literally shouted "viva cristo rey"
Vaya con dios.

>>2764122
>>2764160
>someone who doesn't know shit about Salinas

>>2762889
powerful painting, anyone know the name of the artist?

>>2764190
Technically crap tho

fag literally kept the lines in place instead of painting over them

>>2764197
I like that technique very much and the falling perspective is great

>>2764209
Then you're part of the problem and need to be "dealt" with. You are why Mexico is 3rd world.

>>2762939
Santa Anna is incompetence spelled backwards!
This is their kingdom!

>>2764197
Does your inferiority complex have a limit, sudaquita?

>>2764227
Mexican are is crap.

>>2764235
*art

My bad. Mexican ART is crap.


Except the colorful vases, those are nice.

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>yfw Cardenas agrees to stay quiet about the election fraud

>>2764220
No. That's like saying cartoons are bad because they have lines

>>2764243
If your finished product still has anatomy and direction lines, yes, it's bad.

>>2764257
But that's the style

>>2764266
Then the style is shit.

>>2764190
Idk for sure. Diego Rivera or David Siqueiros probably.

>>2764287
Some people think modern art is shit, others think it's great. People have different opinions

Are there any must read books on Mexican history?

>>2764313
This isn't an issue of whether the art is good or bad. It's just for the fact that it's from Mexico that makes sudacas and gringos rectally challenged.

>>2764313
>others think it's great.

Those "people" are wrong.
>People have different opinions
Yes, right ones and wrong ones.

>>2764344
>they're just butthurt
It literally still has reference lines in the finished work. This has nothing to do with duh racis

>>2764354
It's not racism. It's anti-mexicanism.

If that shitty painting came from sudacaland, you'd be on your knees sucking its dick.

Can Mexico be great?

>>2764364
Yes

>>2764363
>sudaca
wtf does this babble even mean? I literally have no idea wtf you're even accusing me of anymore. At this point I'm pretty certain the only reason you're defending the painting is BECAUSE it's Mexican.

>>2764364
Not as it is right now, no. It needs some cultural shifts in attitude and unfortunately these shifts can't happen peacefully and must forcibly occur violently. The reason I say this is unfortunate is because once it turns violent it can quickly spiral into deeper shit. The flipside is that the situation Mexico is in right now is actually the same shit spiral, it's just a much slower descent but make no mistake it's still going down.

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>>2764339
this was the most useful text for me in a course on the revolution

>>2764347
Have you by chance been checked for autism?

>>2764392
It's time to /guerrillavilla/ this shit

>>2764458
>be anon
>not have severe untreatable life crushing autism
....Normies...Get out.

Calles did nothing wrong. Mexico was at it's best when the church was forced to fuck off.

>>2764473
It would only work with the right leadership. Which we don't have. And I'm not even referring to the corruption. We essentially need a mexican Julius Caesar who won't get assassinated half way through.

>>2764529
Yeah. Any candidates

>>2764536
Not a one.

>>2764529
I think part of the problem with Mexico's politics is the perfidious exaltation of democracy and populism within the public conscience. The supposition that because something is democratic it's good and right and justified when that simply isn't the case. The overextending of rights that have moved far beyond natural ones and the overgrowth of government that diminishes the individual. The lazy and apathetic thought process of the locals in regards to politics also further hampers things but I've found this to be to a greater or lesser extent the general mentality of the entire world's population. I think what Mexico is lacking is not only a good leader but also a concrete set of ideals to rally around and under which to build a nation. Generally speaking a constitution fills this need but I have found that Mexico's is rather clumsily written, over articulate and too poorly understood by the general people of the nation and as such can't fulfill this purpose.

Don't get me wrong, as a legal document it's fine. It's just not a powerful or moving piece of public literature.

>>2764608
Revolution 2: electric villaboo

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>>2764608
What Mexico needs is a Pinochet. Not even memeing.

>>2764834
Why...

>>2764842
To get rid of all leftist influence in the country and forcefully implement free market reforms. Also make Mexican nationalism a thing again.

>>2764848
Mexico is very nationalist already, and aren't the free market reforms what most presidents been doing?

>>2764834
He's a meme who didn't do shit. Chile was a shithole then and its a shithole now.

>>2764848
Leftism isn't even necessarily the main problem although it is a symptom. It's a lack of personal responsibility, the belief that the rights of the individual can and must be curtailed for the benefit of the majority and referring to the state as interpreter and subsequent enforcer of the public's whims. It's downright tyrannical.

>>2764851
Nope, they've been pushing for globalism since the 80s.

>>2764880
Found the commie. GET TO DA CHOPPAH

>>2764921
Implying we're not already in such a tyranny. But it's a tyranny of dumbfucks, you see? If we get rid of those retards at the to by force and subjugate the rest of the retards, we'll be set. 1st world status in less then a decade.

>>2764981
>they've been pushing for globalism since the 80s.
Yeah I'm sure the millions of mexican farmers who went bankrupt because of globalism are really advocating for more competition

>>2765001
What are you talking about? I'm making a point against globalism. All the presidents since the 80s have been globalist twats and look where we are now.

What we need is a nationalist in Los Pinos and since that's never going to happen democratically, the only option is a coup.

>>2764848
>free market

even more?

>>2764981
>GET TO DA CHOPPAH
HAHA! MEMES!

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>yfw you could have had this had the Spainish not fucked up all the aztec hydro-engineering systems in place

>>2765210
Inland lakes like that suck tho. They'd be huge breeding ground for critters and have no outlet so they'd periodically reek.

>>2765223
The aztecs managed, what with every spainish account remarking that the city was extraordinarily clean and didn't smell like shit and garbage unlike cities in europe

>>2764160
los 43 eran bajo pena nieto...pendejo

>>2764834
>mexico needs a cia funded shill that answers to henry kissenger
what did he mean by this?

>>2765011
>impliyng pinochet wasn't for global free trade nafta style
its what they paid him for

>>2762939

This country is very harsh on benevolent leaders.
See Maximilian, Madero, Hidalgo...

why do the mexicans that come to america all listen to the same music with corny instrumentals where every second word is amor

>>2765263
also what is this genre called

>>2763062
moustaches are objectively the best facial hair

>>2765227
>The aztecs managed
As far as we know but they didn't have germ theory so their best explanation for why Totl Xitupc keeled over and died after getting stung by 1K mosquitoes a day all summer had more to do with bad vibes and poor sacrifices than malaria.

>what with every spainish account remarking that the city was extraordinarily clean
The city proper, go out into the swamp lands around it and tell me all that stinky ass swamp mud gives you just the greatest most cleaniest feeling ever.

>unlike cities in europe

Nigger? Your little faggoty shit ass could have just ended as "clean" but you had to keep goin eh? Threatened your little piss ass Mexican pride by suggesting that maybe a stagnant deeply inland lake was probably not the cleanest place in the world by modern standards did I? I trigger your passive aggressive bitchy little nonsense mexibrain, eh? Your stone flaking, no wheel having, metallurgically retarded, pictograph writing, bitch ass wants to throw down? You let me know faggot.

Your lake town is shit, the idea was shit then and its shit now and no amount of nearly as primitive Spanish opinions are going to change that.


It's a fucking Salton sea or Lake Baikal. it has no outlet to the ocean and all the water just stagnates there until it evaporates hell half of it is a literal swamp. All the animal shit? Stays in the lake. Animal piss? Stays in the lake. Slowly decomposing organic trash? Stays in the lake. Every year when the water level drops and there's dead fish everywhere? Their carcasses stay in the lake if no one eats them. That a bunch of people coming from a culture in which access to water was equated to hygiene and who had no idea what germs or viruses were thought the place was nice and clean isn't surprising. What is surprising is that some retard from modern mexico thinks building within and around a stagnant swamp lake is just the best idea ever.

>>2765370
tl:dr

The lake was drained for a reason retard, not because Spains were big ole meanies.

dwi

>>2765263
I listen to Waylon Jennings

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>>2765370
>no wheel having
>*clears throat*

>>2765370
I'm murrican and my family is from eastern europe, nice assumptions fggt

In any case, you've convinced me, but you are wrong here >>2765392 : It wasn't drained due to hygenic concerns, it was drained due to flooding issues since, as has been mentioned, the spainish destroyed all the levies and other measures in place the aztecs had.

>>2765459
Smarmy cunt

>>2762948
this. cinco de mayo best day of my life desu

>>2764848
>forcefully implement free market reforms
you realize that mexico was heavily liberalized since the 1980s and this accelerated with NAFTA? you fucking idiot read a book, there is nothing leftist about the PRI anymore

>>2765251
he's still alive to do it the madman

>>2765370
>Nigger? Your little faggoty shit ass could have just ended as "clean" but you had to keep goin eh?
are you trolling? the spaniards all noted how tenochtitlan was incredibly organized and clean and the only equivalent they could think of was venice in style but not hygiene or monumental scale

>>2762939

What's the deal with them killing this guy and them actually being proud of it?

From what I read they gave people religious rights, and more civil rights, and his wife helped feed and clothe the poor people, which was technically "progressive" and the rich mexis got jealous.

What's wrong with mexico?

>>2765603
While I support him, he was an invading force, and my guess is that other Mexicans were proud that they killed the French puppet. It's not every day you beat the French while being a shithole

>>2765586
Did you not read the rest of the fucking post you stupid piece of asshole cheese?

>>2763159
What wrong with them

What's mexicos deal with Germans ?? I've heard of German towns. Also How does mexico tie to ww1?
>not the Zimmerman telegram but would villa and the rest be relevant had they acted?

>>2766185
Villa? No. Federal mexico? Yeah.

You have to remember war at this point was incredibly autistic. Any schmuck with a shovel, barbed wire and machine guns could hold anything from anyone as long as they had ammo.

Villas whole problem is he couldn't get into modern(for them) war and in fact got rekt hard by federal forces when he tried his centaur of the north bullshit against trenches and mg's.

Border towns are great for cheaper groceries at convenience stores across the border. Why anyone would want a giant wall between them and 7 pounds of apples for one peso from a Tijuana ghetto mart I don't know.

Property values are also cheaper but border security measures mean no real chance of hipster American commuters gentrifying northern Mexico.

>>2766232
Foreigners can't buy land in mexico anyway

>>2765633
it's possible that relative to the spanish standards tenochtitlan looked clean. but that doesn't explain the impressive aqueduct system that funneled clean water into the city from the surrounding hills, the fact that we only hear of sickness in context of epidemics that soon spread like wildfire and which were accelerated by the collapse of agricultural systems and the spanish siege of tenochtitlan, which also cut off all fresh water from the city, leading people to drink the salt water of the lake and therefore accelerating dehydration (aztec sources write of this). also doesn't explain the epilogue to the conquest, the spanish construction of mexico city, which was plagues by flooding and rampant disease (noted in sources) because of the ecological system that the aztecs constructed was destroyed forever.

>>2762827
catholicunts had it coming

>>2767724
>the fact that we only hear of sickness in context of epidemics

How else would you like sickness to be categorized in a stone age society that barely has documented writing and certainly has nothing approaching the scientific method?


Half the time it's the humors in the bowels or god Tintotzel of the possum anuses didn't get enough of your blood letting this month. If it wasn't obvious it wasn't even a "disease" and this shit kept right on going for most of human history, it certainly isn't only the Mexica that misidentified cleanliness. I doubt they connected malaria with mosquitoes given you're always getting bit by them and never keel over.

This is all beside the point though, the entire argument was that some guy thought it would be just awesome if Mexico city was still inside or next to a lake. Even modern day mexico city, that you will find is quite lakeless save for a sliver in Xochimilco, still struggles with mosquitoes every year and has a public awareness campaign to limit mosquito breeding sites. What do you think that would look like with a giant lake right next to the city? What do you think it looked like back then? Probably pretty shitty by todays standards and it would only extrapolate in shittiness given time and the introduction of non biodegradable garbage and massive population increases, which was the point.

>>2769954
>stone age society that barely has documented writing
it was all burnt by spaniards

>Half the time it's the humors in the bowels or god Tintotzel
source?
>I doubt they connected malaria with mosquitoes
lmao you fucker malaria is not native to the americas, it came from the old world after 1492

>it would be just awesome if Mexico city was still inside or next to a lake.
it was done for religious or strategic reasons, as the surrounding people considered the nomadic mexica a threat to their societies.

>>2770017
>it was all burnt by spaniards

Deservedly so.

>source?
Source for how people without germ theory or the scientific method misdiagnosed diseases? Really fggt?

>lmao you fucker malaria is not native to the americas
It isn't referenced that doesn't mean shit but even if they didn't take your pic of Mosquito-borne diseases or basically any shit you can get from living next to brackish swamps.

>it was done for religious or strategic reasons

Idgaf and it doesn't matter bitch.

>>2763161
Sheeeit

>>2764122
Pls elaborate.

Can someone tell me about Cardenas? How is he seen today? Why the fuck did he defy international treaties just to help the losing side in Spain?

What's with Mexico and the cult of death, skeleton imagery etc? Why is it so widespread?

>>2771797
Aztec influence.

>>2765623
You are wrong thats Frances History in a nutshell

>>2765263
>>2765264
do you mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEvKn-QgAY0
idk what genre it is, love songs i guess

>>2766185
Mexicans used to, and i guess still do, love Germany. i dont know why. Mexico seems like that last place Germans would be interested in.

>>2770211
he cant, hes an idiot who only loves salinas "cuz he killed commiez n sheeit" but doesn't actually know anything about the Zapatistas

>>2765603
hes hated for many reasons
>his french overlords were killing Mexicans and sought to drain mexico of its natural resources just like the spanish did
>he was a puppet and would do what ever the french wanted him to do.
>he was not what the mexican conservatives thought he would be.
>he deposed the first ever completely naive president mexico ever had

>>2771176
people love Cardenas, its partly why so many people were against the deregulation of Pemex

>Why the fuck did he defy international treaties just to help the losing side in Spain?
he was a commie.

>>2764160
>fuck the 43

Someone give me the full story.

One side says they were bad, the other says they were good boys.

Who the fuck do I trust?

>>2773341
They were commies and lived in a modest commune, they had no real respect for public or private property, this is true.

Their behavior was reprehensible and they should have been punished for their actions.

Still this does not excuse what the government did, executing them without trial or any formal charges and then concealing their duplicity and actions. Yeah, they illegally commandeered a bus, they were idiot teenagers that thought the ends justified the means because it's all good if you're using it to go to a rally promoting [insert your super awesome political cause here], right? Well no, that's pretty far from alright, but being an elected government that has dozens of your own citizens murdered, secretly and then hides your own involvement pretending to try and find the perpetrator, well that's kind of the next level of shit, innit?

>>2772963
>Mexicans used to, and i guess still do, love Germany. i dont know why.

We love germans and japanese because they are the complete opposite of our country. They are non-corrupt, efficient and serious business. We wish we could be like that.

>Mexico seems like that last place Germans would be interested in.

Actually there are many germans and europeans living in mexico, and a lot more that come here for vacations and hitchhiking and stuff like that. They are usually very leftist and hippi-esque people. I know of some old german males that have lived here for decades now. They usually marry the most non-german looking woman they can find. 100% Indian dna.
Their kids look like white latinos though.

>>2773341
commie wanna-be teachers, nothing usual
their kind are the people who hold back latin america's progress by poisoning the childhood with their bad teaching

>>2773815
>and japanese
Fuck the Japs, they'll end up just like the Chinese in Torreón

>>2773815
>Actually there are many germans and europeans living in mexico
How many menonite colonies are there, have any been affected by the drug war?

>>2773885

Many menonites in Campeche, Zacatecas and Chihuahua. I havent read about narcos messing with them but they probably get extortioned from time to time. They are usually succesful farmers.

>>2773908
Cool, I hope they don't get harassed by cartels, they just want to be left alone

>>2762787
My greatgrandparent bought a ranch inside Hacienda la Gavia, and found gold burried under the beds supposedly from the victims of the "revolution".

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>>2762787
Independence was a mistake.

>>2774231
No it wasn't, Ferdinand VII rejecting the Mexican governments offer to form a Commonwealth was a mistake.

>>2763095
Villa hid like a pussy

>>2763292
>Somebody get this hothead outta here

>>2764608
Por Dios espero no seas "abogado"

>>2766252
don´t listen to him

>>2773552
>executing them without trial
>implying you can legally execute anyone in Mexico

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PADRES DE MÉXICO:

AGUSTÍN DE ITURBIDE —CONSUMÓ LA INDEPENDENCIA, Y ESTABLECIÓ EL ESTADO MEXICANO COMO TAL.

FRANCISCO IGNACIO MADERO —PRIMO REVOLUCIONARIO NACIONALISTA EN CONTRA DE LA TIRANÍA, Y LA EXPLOTACIÓN.

JOSÉ VASCONCELOS —DOTÓ AL PUEBLO MEXICANO DE UNA COSMOVISIÓN COLECTIVA PROPIA.

ANDRÉS MANUEL LÓPEZ OBRADOR —ÚLTIMO LÍDER DEL PUEBLO MEXICANO, LUCHANDO EN PRO DE LA REGENERACIÓN NACIONAL.

>>2776659
jajajajajajajajaja

>>2774501
>Ferdinand VII was a mistake.

FTFY

>>2776673
Qué te es tan gracioso?