Was he right in the end to the overthrow the Qing Dynasty? Or

The Qing were weak and couldn't keep Chinese society in order, they would have been overthrown anyways.
It's a shame the Nationalists were so weak later on though.

>>2759053
Anyone who inherited the country would have been in a shitshow. All he did in the end was to make things worse, allow for the rise of the communists and basically create the conditions for the rule of Mao and the Communist. Did overthrowing the Qing fix anything? China would still be the victim of outside powers even with the ROC.

>>2759019
Both

You seem to be implying that the two points somehow conflict.

He was right precisely because he paved the way for the communist.

>>2759072
Yes, because Qing would be even slower with reforms, and Japan would have kicked China's ass even harder in 1939, since Japan would then be fighting a traditional Chinese monarchy, and could claim to be a continuation of the Chinese dynastic cycle to bolster it's legitimacy and reduce resistance from the Chinese population (which they tried with Puyi, to not much success).

KMT being a nominal republic also helped it gain support from the Western Allies, which was one of the most important factors in the war against Japan.

The real question is, how strong would China be today if they accepted their fate in WW2 and adopted a Japanese style government?

>>2759355
What does this entail? consolidation under the KMT?

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>>2759357
The KMT was sucidal, my hypothetical is that Wang Jingwei took over the KMT, allied with Japan and fought together against the communists.

>>2759349
>Qing would be even slower with reforms
reform was accelerating in the last decade. the fact that they were building railways, reforming the army and banned the thousand year exam system was big progress. the problem was that they introduced assemblies way too fast, creating power centers that pushed against the central government and thereby weakening it to foreign intervention