What was the point of The War on Drugs? Did it work?

Attempt to surging drug abuse rates in the US, particularly in the inner city which is linked to nearly all crime there

hasn't worked, they will continue to abuse drugs and now the media glamorizes it and blames the police for trying to stop it even though drug violence kills thousands of blacks every year

>>2739967
The War on Drugs was a big failure. Prohibition doesnt work.

Read this:
https://www.aei.org/publication/milton-friedman-interview-from-1991-on-americas-war-on-drugs/

https://www.aei.org/publication/milton-friedman-interview-from-1991-on-americas-war-on-drugs/

>>2740014
>>2739967
t. drug users

>>2740017
t. statist

>>2739967
The point was to reverse the percieved trend of increasing drug use

It is ongoing and a complete failure, it has directly led to drug use skyrocketing

>>2739967
I remember seeing somewhere that Nixon's advisor said that Nixon's main purpose for the war on drugs was to oppress and silence blacks and hippies during a time when civil rights were a pretty big deal

I mean it makes sense, picking something that has been demonized since the 20's in order to institutionally marginalize minorities is a pretty good plan

yet another dumb arse war America lost

>>2740017
>>2740024
t. dumbasses

>>2739967
An attempt to fight the rise of drug usage, a big failure. Lax drug laws would fix a lot of problems, so much money spent on average lmaaoo weed users. Law enforcement should focus on the source itself, since the cutting the tfw and has been ineffective

The point was getting a excuse to arrest criminals after the Warren Court and the 1960s criminal reforms made the traditional way of performing police work ineffective.

As it turns out, it's easier to arrest a criminal who robs and murders people on drug charges than actually going to court by accusing him of theft and homicide.

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>>2739967
To reduce violent crime.

>>2741449

Then why do other countries have much lower rates of both incarceration and violent crime?

>>2739967
To fuck with blacks, Jews, and hippies.

Yes.

>What was the point of The War on Drugs?
The point was to prevent people taking drugs in large numbers. It was to preserve a population which was in charge of its faculties and didn't have another easy escape-from-reality medicine like alcohol. It was easier to stop other damaging drugs from becoming widespread before it was too late and a culture had to forcibly be changed.

>Did it work?
No, mainly because governments across the Western world focused solely on the supply side rather than demand as well. I criminal business will always find a way around the law - sometimes violently - if people are willing to pay huge amounts of money to get high. I'm aware in the US, many ethnic minorites were targeted for possessing drugs but in order for there to have been a true 'war' on drugs, everybody found in possession should have been jailed.
(and that includes spoilt white middle-class adolescents whose parents have always bailed them out)

>>2741578
>everybody found in possession should have been jailed.
>(and that includes spoilt white middle-class adolescents whose parents have always bailed them out)


OK junior, time to grow up and meet the real world.

The real problems with the drug trade are ->

Corrupt cops that profit from the drug trade

The corrupt intelligence agencies that profit from the drug trade

The corrupt government officials that profit from the drug trade

The corrupt banks and financial companies that profit from laundering massive quantities of drug money

The little teenage white boy smoking a joint isn't your fucking problem, you fucking shit head.

>>2741456
I dont think you can compare usa to any other country

>>2741587
>OK junior, time to grow up and meet the real world.
So difficult not to discard your opinion off the bat just from that start.

>the real problems with the drug trade are: the people that profit from drug trade
>people that directly fund this corruption dindu nuffin

>The little teenage white boy smoking a joint isn't your fucking problem, you fucking shit head.
I'm guessing I've touched a nerve here. Perhaps you should stop being a selfish immoral degenerate and put an end to your vile habit.

heres the thing tho

if the state has the authority to set by law what a citisen can and can not consume, then it has more power ovver the individual than is designated by the constitution

any one of us can now go into the bathroom with a spoon and eat detergent

this would be bad and unhealthy and migh result in hospitalisation, but you can do it, you can eat detergent with a spoon

theres no law against it, the state does not sanction your freedom to eat detergent

so where does the state get theright to sanction your freedom to consume other shit?

see its not about weather its seen as good or bad for you, its a question of why the fuck a adult citisen wouldnt be free to consume substances

get the point?

>>2741636
In English not American so I can understand this line of argument. The English conservative tradition has always been more paternalistic than Libertarian-style American conservatism.

That being said, I'm very sceptical about the claim you made in your repsonse.

>if the state has the authority to set by law what a citisen can and can not consume, then it has more power ovver the individual than is designated by the constitution

Where is this in the constitution? I'm not at familiar with the document as an American citizen - for obvious reaons

Isn't America having a Heroin Epidemic right now?

>>2741636
If you eat detergent you only fuck yourself up, but drug use needs to be funded so their users often resort to crime.

In short, druggie degenerates fuck up society, so we have a right to limit their freedom.

>>2741636
Stop invoking the constitution when talking about the liberty to take drugs.

The 'freedom' to permanently damage your brain and then damage other people's lives is not the same freedom as the freedom of conscience, thought and assembly.

Messing with your health and rejecting self-discipline cannot be equated with freedoms that prevent tyranny

>>2741719
That was caused by big pharma and oxy

>>2741720

Drugs need to be "funded" because of prohibition.

Black markets supply people at a massive premium.

People turn to crime mostly to pay for the premium as opposed to the cost of production of the drug, which is usually cheap.

When you say something like "We have a right to limit their freedom", you're saying that you want to pay for an entire additional structure of bureaucratic parasites preying upon the nation they ostensibly "serve".

Why do people not get this shit? You want to enforce a limitation on people, you want to pay for absolute garbage human beings to manage the limitation.

>>2741734

You're a fucking idiot. You might as well level public schools.

The cost of treating the wages of meals for millions of kids that encourage pre-diabetes is far beyond the ravages of illegal drugs.

If you tracked the life history of a kid who had to eat public school meals, you'd find we pay a far bigger cost in lifetime medical treatment for diseases that could've been stopped early on by providing a diet that doesn't raise the insulin of kids to the point of eventual diabetes.

School lunches are worse than drugs.

>>2741757
CONT

Once again.

You want to put a leash on people. That implies you want to pay for scumbags to hold the leash.

>>2741636

Because consumers of drugs oftentimes constitute huge burdens on the state and thus the general public, and people do consume drugs and do not consume detergent.

>>2741785
>huge burdens on the state and thus the general public,

How do you make this equivalence? It's the state that "takes huge burden" on its own initiative to consolidate control over people.

The "general public" is, unironically, a spook that can be changed by the state any time.

>>2741785
Cheapest way to minimise that burden is just to prescribe the scum drugs though.

Readily available unadulterated drugs of a known purity eliminate most of the cost in policing, jailing, property loss and health costs.

>>2741766
CONT

Not only school lunches but breakfast cereals and the whole shitshow of insulin raising foods that are marketed to kids.

Captain Crunch and Trix have a bigger negative effect on kids than drugs.

>>2741766

You're retarded mate.

>>2741734
If the State should restrict things that have the potential to cause harm, then there is a long list of things to ban.

>Motorcycles
>Riding Horses
>Extreme Sports
>Junk food

>>2741792

The state is by definition the general public you fucking mongoloid. You just said that the people who live in a country are spooks.

>>2741808

>its only about money

Lets also put a bullet into every criminal ever and also you, because that'd be cheap.

>>2741813

How? Do you know how expensive it is to treat increasing levels of society-wide diabetes? Not only diabetes but the satellite of mental and physiological disorders that surround it?

>>2741819

stop using slippery slope arguments

>>2741824

>x isn't a problem because y is a problem

SOLID FUCKING ARGUMENT MATE

>>2741823
>The state is by definition the general public you fucking mongoloid.

? The state is a collection of institutions determined by the historical particulars of a "nation". The notion of "general public" is a bizarre spook when you look at the oligarchic backing of "states".

>Lets also put a bullet into every criminal ever and also you, because that'd be cheap.

By invoking prohibition, you not only empower bureaucratic assholes, you empower black market scumbags.

You just said that the people who live in a country are spooks.

>>2741829

i'm saying if you actually care about the health of your society, you'd be on a crusade against societal-wide diabetes.

>>2741834

I'm crusading against neither. In fact im an avid drug user. I just want to point out that your arguments are shite.

>>2741838

How is my argumentation shit? Do you know what diabetes does? Do you know how pathetically easy it is to prevent it?

Do you understand the whole medical complex that profits from the fact that people eat shit diets and develop shit bodies and then after a lifetime of shit, demand that societies pay for their medical costs that mostly came about from eating shit for a lifetime.

>>2741826
Explain to me why one hedonistic activity with mild risk should be banned while another not?

Horse riding is perhaps the best example, as based David Nutt points out it has a lower incidence of harm than MDMA, so why is it legal?

> It's an incel virgin on 4chan calling people degenerates for using drugs episode

>>2739970
this

>>2741846

>x isn't a problem because y is a problem

>>2741850

Long term damage from mdma (ab)use far outweighs any harm from horse riding. Legal availability of mdma would certainly create a huge problem of people frying their brains on it.

>>2739967
a way to suppress minorities and make a profit off the government.

>>2741719
Yup. Doctors that get people addicted to oxycotin need to be fucking hung.

It doesn't help that we're still occupying Afghanistan aka The Place Heroine Comes From

>>2741883
So your position is that there is a scale of risk which factors in both short and long term effects, and that on a point along that scale the State should ban?

>>2741883
>>x isn't a problem because y is a problem

You do realize such diets lower impulse control and that the negative effects of such diets encourage a lessening of delayed gratification?

>>2741899

My position is that your using a slippery slope argument which is a fallacy.

>>2741908
No I'm not.

I'm not suggesting banning these things, I am trying to understand how you decide what to ban.

Then naturally look for inconsistencies in how you say X is Halal while Y is Haram.

So is it just about risk?

>>2739967
The point was for some people to make a shitload of money selling prisons and prison-related services, while politicians can claim to be "tough on crime" by incarcerating as many people as possible.

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>>2741936
Man, how the fuck did Private Prisons even become a thing?

Who looked at that and said, "That's Rad."?

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>>2741943

> Who looked at that and said, "That's Rad."?

pic very related

>>2739970
Wouldn't there be less drug violence if it was legal and more easily available?

>>2741956
>>2741943
>Land of the Free

>>2742012

Absolutely

On the West Coast, I pull out my ID, and can walk out a store with an ounce of lab-tested marijuana for $100 on sale for high grade with the effects that you want if you have a legit condition.

Here on the East Coast, I got to call some rinky-dink drug dealer that are selling mid quality weed grown by who knows at $300 an ounce. It's probably been stepped on too, and anything West Coast shits on it.

Hmmmm, which one do I want? The more expensive weed that I have no idea the quality control or the high quality weed with government oversight?

>>2742071

I live in Sacramento.

I can call for delivery on my shit. I can have weed at my front door within a reasonable time.

PS: Most cost-effective way of weed is vaporizer + concentrates. And buy small amounts of a wide amount of strains to cycle through and mediate tolerance to a particular strain.

>>2739970

You seemed to have forgotten the part where the FBI was putting drugs in those inner cities

>>2739967
Even in the UK drugs are cheap, meaning the supply is plentiful

We're an island so if we can't stop it i doubt any countries with a land border will be able too


The only way to stop it would be through education but that's not going to work because they aren't as bad as the state makes out

>>2741456
They have less blacks. Blacks in america have similar murder rates as any black country while whites in america have similar murder rates as european countries. Tendency to violence is genetic, as has been proven by animal breeding and experiments.

>>2741456
Niggers and spics, duh.

Even after you control for income, education, IQ, urban/rural placement, etc. they are just more violent than whites.

>>2742412
proofs?

>>2742426

What's the proofs that blacks operate on the same level as whites?

Why should I assume that people with different genetics are equal?

Where are the proofs that there are no genetic differences?

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>>2742439
Where are the proofs that the genetic differences are big enough?

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>>2740014
>Milton Friedman
FUCK OFF

>>2742453

Personal experience being homeless. People revert to stereotypical behaviors without social pressure, fast.

The (few) asian homeless tried their hardest to get odd jobs. Usually it was something like cocaine or heroin usage that brought their downfall.

Mexicans weren't perfect but if they were non-gang affiliated, they were generally chill dudes.

White guys were a mix of meth heads, alcoholics, and hobo-like people who usually had some form of intense personal tragedy that estranges them from the concerns of majority societies.

Blacks on the otherhand...look there were a few simply "misfortunate" individuals. But the vast majority are fucking barbarians with a mix of mental problems, lack of impulse control, drug usage, and inability to cooperate without challenging the dominance hierarchy every chance they got.

It sucks for the good people because they're surrounded by people who don't even recognize the strength of cooperating with larger society.

>>2742500

Keynesian retard detected

>>2741943
The people who said I don't want to pay more in taxes when a private company can do it more efficiently and better aka Johnny Q. Public

>>2739967
>What was the point of The War on Drugs?
Fuck the minorities
>Did it work?
Are the minorities more fucked?

>>2741943
Me, I own a bunch of stock in private prisons.
Praise papa Trump, those stocks are doing well.

>>2739967
The intent was to not have a drugged out citizenry that focused on nothing more than their next fix.

It failed.

>>2743584
If that were the case the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't be pumping the populace full of pills.

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>>2743576

>"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people"

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities"

>"We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

>>2741943
That was all Ronald Reagan.

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assert deep state monopoly of the narco-traffic. The illicit drug trade is another reason dollars remain a reserve currency.

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>>2741757
>Drugs need to be "funded" because of prohibition
???
What universe do you live in where prescription drugs are made and then given away without compensation? Drugs, legal or not, will always cost money somewhere in the transactional chain. A drug habit, again legal or not, will always need money from somewhere. Hard drug users do not make good employees, ergo the money must be acquired from somewhere and that somewhere inevitably leads to crime. You can mental gymnastics your way into making it not so however you'd like, but the reality is that hard drug use has absolutely no benefit to society and is ultimately a net drain.

>>2744753
It all comes back to Ronny

>>2742581
Why were you homeless?

>>2744824

I meant "funded" as in an exorbitant amount of third-party activity has to be funded for drugs to bypass the hurdles of illegalization and law enforcement.

.
> but the reality is that hard drug use has absolutely no benefit to society and is ultimately a net drain.

So you fund bureaucratic sociopaths who have the "noble" goal of making larger and larger "busts" as a pirate activity.

You want a certain type of morality to exist but you have no actual idea the price most of society has to pay for your fucking prudishness.

And guess what, your prudishness turns into support for murderous cartels who will gladly supply the person looking for a drug. Congratulations, instead of letting man make his own choices, you let man suffer a million evils so that you have a class of newly made degenerates to frown upon.


>Hard drug users do not make good employees, ergo the money must be acquired from somewhere and that somewhere inevitably leads to crime.

Hard drugs are expensive because layers of bureaucracy headed by sociopaths reap rewards from asset confiscation and propagandizing the "sincerity" of their mission.

>>2745313

Shit family, shit pedagogy, shit society, shit choices, shit money management. It happens.

>>2746031
CONT

>>2744824

EX: You have a newly discovered dissociative (street name = MXE) with minimal drawbacks and a magic ability to bring relief to chronic pain sufferers and those unfortunate enough to experience phantom limb syndrome.

Instead of embracing the possible therapeutic uses, bureaucrats banned it because it makes stupid kids feel good.

It's okay though. At least kids receive school lunches that help them on the road to pre-diabetes and immerse them in a society where shitty processed grain diets have a disturbing majority presence.

If hard drug use has no net benefit, then enforcing prohibition has far stronger net drains than you can imagine.

>>2741766
Or get public schools to feed them properly

>>2746060

And yet again, you're a fucking idiot.

Public schools are black holes of money for the benefit of everyone but children.

You think they really give a damn about the actual nutrition of the meals they serve? They give a damn about the amount of money allocated to food and keeping it within budget. They give a far more damn about pensions for teachers and pensions for administrators.

EX: I stayed at a shelter for a period of time. for vets. The contractor they hired for food gave use awful fucking shit. Shitty pancakes with syrup. Shitty eggs made from a carton. Shitty undercooked sausages. But they couldn't change shit because a fucking "nutritionist" said it was "okay".

The inertia of dumb idiotic bureaucracy is another one of those speechless things in the world that strikes you if you try to think about it.

>>2746084

CONT.

Or to formulate public schools: A pension racket that requires the impairment of millions of young minds because to suggest any other, and more effective, methods of pedagogy would mean an end to the pension racket and the voting machines of various unions.

>>2742118
CIA, not FBI

>>2741456
Less black populations. But that's changing and Europe is seeing a direct rise in crime with African immigrants.

Not even trying to be hateful or /pol/, but it's just how it is.

>>2746031
>>2746045
>thinking you have in any way a moral high ground here while not just allowing but encouraging highly addictive and damaging drugs into society
Seriously, nys. Being anti-narcotics is the only moral action. You can be pro-liberty as much as you like, but at the end of the day, it's fucking horrible for society.

>>2742581
Are you me? That's my exact experience. Except I've never met a homeless Asian.

>>2746308
See>>2744799

Never take anything at face value.
The War on Drugs has nothing to do with drugs. It has everything to do with lining the pockets of the DEA, FBI, CIA, and the pharmaceutical industry.

>>2746559
Not sure how layman vs how expert you want it. Genetic predisposition to certain behaviors and intelligence (IQ or other means of testing, it's hard to find a single reliable measure of intelligence, but no matter what types or ways you use, results seem consistent across racial lines) does vary by race.

/pol/ thinks this means whites are the master race, but most European populations (we really should just scrap that and talk in terms of haplogroups) fall short of East Asian populations as well as the dreaded Ashkenazi Jew. Bring that up and you'll get a lot of excuses, arguments over who counts as white, etc, then the conversation goes back to gloating at being smarter than Africans and Arabs.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/z139.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/the-allele-counting-begins/amp/

>>2742581
>Blacks on the otherhand...look there were a few simply "misfortunate" individuals. But the vast majority are fucking barbarians with a mix of mental problems, lack of impulse control, drug usage, and inability to cooperate without challenging the dominance hierarchy every chance they got.
do you mean this as evidence before or against blacks? it seems to me that the first three issues derive from hereditary problems or a life of poor nutrition and harmful cultural and social influences. As for the problem with hierarchies that, for better or worse, has obvious historical roots

>>2746441
>Buying into the propaganda
Cocaine is very similar to caffeine, except that it has a much higher therapeutic index, meaning that if you take a very large amount of cocaine you will get an increased stimulant effect, and if you take a very large amount of caffeine you will die. Because cocaine is illegal and relatively expensive, most people only use it when they want a greater stimulant effect than they can get from caffeine. If it were legal, it would see more use as a safe and convenient stimulant, probably mainly in the form of coca tea.

Amphetamines are bad long term, yes, but as a society we've shown that we're perfectly okay with force feeding them to children, who are the most at risk for the chronic effects, for years or even decades straight. Most of the bad things we associate with meth addicts like fucked up teeth are caused by secondary factors: smoking dries out the mouth, all sorts of side effects are caused by impurities, etc. Legalization is the first step toward working these problems out.

Opiate pills like Vicodin are normally something like 5mg of the actual drug and 50-300 mg acetaminophen. Why? It's not because of the analgesic effect; take a dose of opiate and you don't give a shit about the pain anymore. Besides, if 200mg of Tylenol was enough to take the edge off, you probably should have just been taking NSAIDs. The reason is that it's extremely toxic to your liver in high doses, especially when combined with alcohol. The point of it is literally to kill you if you decide to take more of the drug than prescribed.

The common thread here is that drugs aren't the problem, secondary issues caused by the illegality of the drug are the problem. There's all sorts of other problems caused by prohibition as well: organized crime, all of the well-studied effects of households raised by single mothers, extreme taxation to fund the mass incarceration that removes 5% of the populace from the workforce, and many more.

>>2746045
>You have a newly discovered dissociative (street name = MXE) with minimal drawbacks and a magic ability to bring relief to chronic pain sufferers and those unfortunate enough to experience phantom limb syndrome.
This is so retarded because it's an entirely hypothetical situation that has no connection to reality. Hard drugs in circulation have NO such miracle effects that you state and if they do there's awful side-effects from continued use and the risk of addiction. It seems like your mind is so clouded by your libertarian "anti-guberment" ideology that you feel the need to shoe-horn it into the discussion.

>>2746675
>Cocaine is very similar to caffeine, except that it has a much higher therapeutic index
Maybe if coffee rotted your fucking insides and if you stopped taking it you would very quickly go into a deadly withdrawal.

>Opiate pills like Vicodin are normally something like 5mg of the actual drug and 50-300 mg acetaminophen
Are you seriously trying to claim that opiates are only bad when mixed with NSAIDs?

>>2746084
>The contractor they hired for food gave use awful fucking shit. Shitty pancakes with syrup. Shitty eggs made from a carton. Shitty undercooked sausages.
That is sad that the shelter or contractor doesn't take account nutrition, but have you literally not heard the expression "beggars can't be choosers"?

>>2746096
This is a total non-sequiter. Teachers receive pensions, therefore children suffer? How did you start from that premise and arrive at that conclusion?
Also, how are unions mobilizing their constituency any different from evangelical organizations or politicians doing the same? Unions have an interest in protecting their interests, just like any other social group. Without them teaching would be even shittier, as 1) teachers would get paid even less (they already get paid like dogshit) thereby discouraging any bright people from pursuing the profession, 2) teachers would get hired and fired at the whims of the administration, which maybe eliminates the so-called union problem protecting teachers and replace it for another autocracy wherein the educational hierarchy pursues a policy of divide and rule with tecahers mercilessly having to maintain their jobs by competing for arbitrary metrics such as standardized testing.

p.s. pensions are not as plush as you think. you HAVE to be a teacher for like 25 years to even qualify for receiving one and what's more you have to dedicate a portion of your salary to financing it. Then theres the fact that in return for these pensions teachers receive LESS social security in return. Teachers are also offered awful savings plans by their schools which further hampers their retirement plans

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>>2746675
>Cocaine is very similar to caffeine, except that it has a much higher therapeutic index
ayy lmao. pls snort cocaine for habitually and see what happens.

>>2746630
>>/pol/ thinks this means whites are the master race, but most European populations (we really should just scrap that and talk in terms of haplogroups) fall short of East Asian populations as well as the dreaded Ashkenazi Jew. Bring that up and you'll get a lot of excuses, arguments over who counts as white, etc, then the conversation goes back to gloating at being smarter than Africans and Arabs.

Whitey has no need to make excuses though, whitey has built the modern world, for better or for worse.

Nigger by contrast have done fried chicken and drive-bys while muslim arabs and muslims in general do failed states and religious extremism.

>>2746717
I'm not arguing in favor of insufflation. There are sustainable ways to administer medications.

>>2746691
>rotted your fucking insides
[citation needed]
>if you stopped taking it you would very quickly go into a deadly withdrawal
Caffeine withdrawal can also be incredibly unpleasant, especially when titrated up to very high doses. Neither caffeine nor cocaine withdrawal is typically fatal. On the other hand, withdrawal from alcohol or even therapeutic doses of prescription benzodiazapines can be extremely dangerous.

>Are you seriously trying to claim that opiates are only bad when mixed with NSAIDs?
I'm claiming that most of the deleterious effects of opiate use are due to secondary factors, rather than the drug itself. I'm also pointing out the absurdity of designing a pill to enforce the law: "if you use more than the prescribed dose, we will kill you or ruin you with medical bills."

>>2746788
>can also be incredibly unpleasant
I dunno man. Most people when going a day without caffeine don't immediately resort to fucking robbing people or kill themselves.

>I'm claiming that most of the deleterious effects of opiate use are due to secondary factors, rather than the drug itself
Yeah, you just go ahead and take that up with the Chinese. I'm sure they'll agree with you.

>>2746724
Yes, black people were a mistake to ever attempt to civilize and will always drag down any society they enter like a parasite. There's little debate there.

But white people aren't as smart as some other groups. It's a Chinese future from here on out. The damage of communism fades with each year and the internal issues, while still big, are smaller every year. White people are going to go back to mediocre tier on the world stage and remain that way, If they aren't just bred out of existence by Africans who will double population in a few decades because they lack the aggression needed to stop displacement immigration. Eurocentrism is coming to an end.

>>2746801
Most people haven't titrated up to doses of 1000+ mg of caffeine. If you drink a cup of coca tea each morning, you're not going to be any worse off missing a dose than you would be missing your coffee.

Opium is one of the oldest drugs used by humans, dating back beyond 5000 BC. Throughout all of that history, opium use was never highly stigmatized until it was banned by China, who performed a propaganda campaign against opium use in order to reduce British financial influence.

The fact of the matter is that throughout thousands of years of medicinal and recreational use, opiates have never caused the collapse of society. Sure, there's low-functioning addicts out there, but we should be working to help those people medically and psychologically, not stigmatizing and incarcerating them.

>>2746806
>>But white people aren't as smart as some other groups.
So? Being smart isn't the only thing that matters, if it were Whitey would never have gotten to where he was in the first place.

>>It's a Chinese future from here on out. The damage of communism fades with each year and the internal issues, while still big, are smaller every year.
Ahahaha, no. China is fucked. Their internal issues aren't going away and only the PRC government claims otherwise by denying they have problems at all.

>>White people are going to go back to mediocre tier on the world stage and remain that way
Whitey was the first into orbit, and the first to invent nuclear power, whitey will never be mediocre and aside from the unfortunate periord after the collapse of the roman empire, whitey never was mediocre.

>>If they aren't just bred out of existence by Africans who will double population in a few decades because they lack the aggression needed to stop displacement immigration.
Neither Europe, nor the US, nor any other white nation on the planet are going to let in millions upon millions of niggers. The africans will be shot dead if they try.

>>Eurocentrism is coming to an end.
No it isn't.

>>2746864
>Neither Europe, nor the US, nor any other white nation on the planet are going to let in millions upon millions of niggers

They already have with no signs of stopping. The problems won't be the politician's issue by the time they're elected out into golden parachutes and retire to a white neighborhood for the rest of their life in a few years, and lobbyists for immigrants won't let you boot blacks and arabs out. This is the failure of democracy. Too weak and too concerned with short term.

>>2746864
>aside from the unfortunate periord after the collapse of the roman empire, whitey never was mediocre
That was when whites were just coming into their own.
>Mediterraneans
>White

>>2746863
>naturalistic fallacy AND chronological snobbery in the same post
Well done.

CIA controls drug trade. Drug trade is more lucrative if there is a war making them harder to get. CIA funds black projects and other venues it wants to keep off the books using drug money.

>>2746989
>Cultural myopia and a complete lack of anything resembling an argument in one post
I'd call that par for the course.

>>2746917
>>They already have
Not really, the amount of african migrants is quite small actually.

>>and lobbyists for immigrants won't let you boot blacks and arabs out.
They won't be able to stop what's coming once the farming in africa and the middle east fully collapses. The overwhelming majority of the european population will not accept such a massive inflow of refugees and said refugees will simply be shot at the border if they try to force entry into europe.

>>2747030
By the time people stop tolerating it, it will be far beyond fixing. London is already a Pakistani colony.

>>2746717
Go bang out a couple lines of coffee and see what happens, dumb ass

>>2742581
>Personal experience being homeless.

Remember folks. The left has to provide 100,000 independent peer reviewed studies, the backing of 101% of all academics, and the eyewitness testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ himself in front of the United States Supreme Court, and maybe they will be considered.

The right just has to have "well this one time..." and it is 100% un-falsifiable fact.

>>2747025
Literally everything you've posted can be debunked with a 30 second conversation with any medical professional so I don't know why you're doubling down here. But that's a conspiracy to keep you down too, right? Seriously, kill yourself before your habit does it for you.

>>2747053
I disagree, matters will be quite reversible once the white population of europe is angry enough.

>>2747110
Only hunger and poverty causes that sort of thing. Europe will be poorer, but only gradually and never at actual poverty levels.

>>2747138
Again, I disagree, there will be a massive popular backlash against admitting hundreds of millions of third-worlders into europe, that backlash will prevent the destruction of white european society.

>>2747096
Maybe you'd like to post some contrary evidence from any of those medical professionals, then? You still haven't made any sort of argument other than "your facts don't agree with my opinions."

>>2747161
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+effects+of+cocaine
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+effects+of+opiates

Fucking daft cunt

>>2747320
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+effects+of+caffeine
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=health+effects+of+alcohol

Wow, it's almost like literally every biologically active compound has potentially negative effects. Who'd have thought? Let me ask you this: if all psychoactive drugs that cause physiological dependence are bad, why is alcohol legal? Obviously, we tried that already and it didn't work out. We've also tried banning cocaine and opiates. How has that worked out for us so far? Not much better. So why are they still banned? Because it creates profit in terms of both social and monetary capital for the people doing the banning.

>>2747418
If I have a beer a day (or two or three for that matter) I'm not going to experience seriously deleterious effects is why. A bump of coke or any opiate is a completely different matter.

>>2747081

I'm a single data point but what I saw with my eyes is obviously going to carry worlds more weight than some fucking abstract.

It's one of those things that experiencing things on a daily basis does to you.

>but have you literally not heard the expression "beggars can't be choosers"?

To be honest, things would've have been much better if the nutritionist wasn't a fat boomer cunt who clearly did not actually give a shit other than which "contractor" gave her the most money.

>Teachers receive pensions, therefore children suffer?

I'm saying that public education is such a vast wasteland of mishandled funds and retarded and amoral bureaccrats that there's nothing to justify why it's so fucking expensive to put a child through k-12 without getting anything like a sensible output of kids with useful and employable skills.

I could compress all of public education into 3 years of teaching without the bullshit that comes from introducing kids to over-socialized environments.

>Without them teaching would be even shittier, as 1) teachers would get paid even less (they already get paid like dogshit) thereby discouraging any bright people from pursuing the profession

It'd be far better for most kids to pursue a trade as opposed to being cynically channeled into taking on large amounts of debt in college because it's another fucking bubble that maintains the pensions of boomers so that Mr. White can fuck transsexua underagel asians in a Manila hotel.

>
p.s. pensions are not as plush...

Oh I know. But the positions that oversee teachers not only get more money but get a bigger pension for overseeing what is essentially daycare ran by people who don't really give a shit.

>>2746689
> Hard drugs in circulation have NO such miracle effects that you state and if they do there's awful side-effects from continued use and the risk of addiction.

MXE is still a relatively new drug. And I haven't read of reports of truly "awful side effects". If there are side effects, it comes about from taking too much in the same way that taking too much aspirin can produce horrible side-effects if you ignore sensible dosing.

> It seems like your mind is so clouded by your libertarian "anti-guberment" ideology that you feel the need to shoe-horn it into the discussion.

It feels like your mind is so clouded by being fucking stupid that you don't understand the perverse incentives that lead governments to regulate substance use by the masses. But not for the elite.

>>2747772
It's not at all different. The dose of cocaine or heroin you're imagining is the equivalent of a handle of vodka, not a beer or two. People go on insane binges of all drugs, not just drugs you don't like. There's also responsible users of all drugs, including ones you don't like.

I'll admit that there are a few drugs that have been used recreationally like krokodil or strychnine that I would very strongly advise against anyone ever using, but these are typically only taken or even produced in desperation when safer alternatives aren't available.

>>2743576
Kys

>>2740079
The John Erlichmann quote your referencing is from Dan Baum's EXCELLENT book Smoke and Mirrors: The War on Drugs and the Politics of Failure. I highly encourage anyone interested in modern American drug policy to read it. It will turn your fucking stomach.

>>2748036
>It'd be far better for most kids to pursue a trade


Not really. The the trades would be flooded.

Tradies don't even make notable/good money really, they only do when the job market is scarce as fuck and the people in the field try to choke the flow of new blood in and unions are dead in America so that is pretty much the only decent way to get good money in them.

>>2747152
>Again, I disagree, there will be a massive popular backlash against admitting hundreds of millions of third-worlders into europe


The number of migrants into Europe is a drop in the bucket to what other nations get at all. Euros pretty much chest beating themselves over "wow soo much refugees too many we gonna go crazy and chimp out" is just embarrassing.

>>2742581
>The (few) asian homeless tried their hardest to get odd jobs. Usually it was something like cocaine or heroin usage that brought their downfall.

Asian homeless just try to hide their homlessness. Also their family never try to help them or support them back up.

With the non-black folk you try to come up with a reason for why they fell and try to pass it off as "poor them" in an attempt to pass it off in a positive light yet try to paint the blacks as a sort of degeneracy.

>White guys were a mix of meth heads, alcoholics, and hobo-like people who usually had some form of intense personal tragedy that estranges them from the concerns of majority societies.
>who usually had some form of intense personal tragedy that estranges them from the concerns of majority societies.

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