Redpill me on vikings, /his/ Are they just glorified barbarians?

>>2724306
>If so, how did they become more famous than any other european tribesmen?

Importance in the history of England + Anglo media dominance.

>raid abbey
>the monks write shit about you

>>2724308
Then how come there isn't more pop culture regarding british tribesmen?

>>2724306
>Are they just glorified barbarians?
That's exactly what they were, they were just a vestigial remnant of the Germanic barbarians of antiquity. They became famous because they had a big impact on Western Europe's development.

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>>2724306
They were great traders and explorers.

>>2724306
>how did they become more famous than any other european tribesmen?

By destroying priceless works of culture in monasteries and raping nuns.

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Only Existing Viking Age Helmet - Norway

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The helmet was found at Sutton Hoo and is 1,300 years old. It was reconstructed

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>>2724306
>>2724308
basically

>Reinvented nautical technology to the point where they had the fastest long ships of their time whose actual performance we can't recreate with the tools they used to make them which recreates their historical performance
>Conquered both the British and Russians, establishing thrones
>Were the first Europeans to discover the Americas and established large colonies and trade systems in the Americas, trading with the locals
>They also then colonized Iceland and Greenland, but the rest of the colonies collapsed due to economic unsustainability
>Never built any great stone works besides some minor pagan temples but still had the technological capability of the rest of Europe, with no written language either besides runes which weren't used often
>Left genetic imprints all across Europe, Ireland was basically used as a concubine hub

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Bronze gladiator's helmet said to be found at the gladiators' barracks at Pompeii Roman

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>>2724411
>By destroying priceless works of culture in monasteries and raping nuns.
>Christians still mad

Kek

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Ancient Greek helmet

>>2724429

>boring copy of a Roman helmet

>No protection for cheeks, or neck

>Parts glued together

>>2724466

>Aesthetic, sleek and iconic as fuck

>protects neck,cheeks and nose

>Gives off intimidating appearance

>Is casted and crafted from a single piece of iron.

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Parade Burgonet, bearing a fearsome lion’s visage on the visor. Made in Milan in the mid-16th century, the helmet belonged to Archduke Ferdinand II of Tyrol.

Somebody post the thing with the bucket.

>>2724438
Reinvented nautical technology to the point where they had the fastest long ships of their time whose actual performance we can't recreate with the tools they used to make them which recreates their historical performance
>WE
They also then colonized Iceland and Greenland, but the rest of the colonies collapsed due to economic unsustainability

more likely collapsed due to having no sedentary population to raid, nomadism is the perfect counter to VIKANGZ

Were the first Europeans to discover the Americas and established large colonies and trade systems in the Americas, trading with the locals

more likely small settlements for quickly gathering natural resources before locals overrun them

They lost pretty much every pitched battle against anyone barely competent.

They were excellent craftsmen. Only an ignorant would call them barbarians.

>>2724561
>>2724581
There's no Dobson here.

>>2724663
Why have grown men been playing dress up for centuries?

>>2724491
>you're trying too hard

>>2724306
people can meme all they want about Vikings being overrated warriors, but to do so is to entirely miss the point.
Vikings werent significant because they could massacre armies and engage in contests of nations, but instead because they could come out of seemingly fucking nowhere and kill half your village and enslave whoever they could get their hands on.

>>2724448
We're not your enemies, Varg. In fact, we're your greatest allies and admirers.

>>2724306
That's not what red pill means.

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>>2724550
>can't even greentext properly
>thinks his opinions matter

Why do newfags talk shit about things they don't know about? I mean if the colonies outside of Scandinavia collapsed because there was no one to raid, then why did Iceland and Greenland survive? Its almost like people left the settlements in America because it was too far away to be sustainable and moved to other colonies that were more sustainable.

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>>2724488

>>2724408
the normandy section on that map doesnt even encompass rouen

>>2724491
see that ring? there was more to it

boat ppl raiding shores
medieval refugees

its PR, scandies have good PR because they are rich
i mean, calling a longboat a ship shows you how much its mental gymnastics

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Barbarians who carried their ship across half of russia to get into the black sea so they could reave the mediterranean

Vikings did more that raid and pillage. They explored, traded and colonized using advanced shipbuilding techniques and just being cool dudes
They did lots of cool stuff such as
>Become christian vassals of France who would later conquer Britain, Sicily, Southern Italy
>Colonized and converted to Orthodox in Russia
>Served as the personal bodyguards to the Byzantine Emperor
>Colonized Iceland, Greenland (briefly), and discovered North America
Vikings are cool man everyone should read more about them and reflect the impact they've had on History

>>2724433

Sutton Hoo isn't viking.

>>2724448
>ISIS destroys culture
>seen as a disgusting act
>vikings do it
>"THEY WUZ THE STROBGEST WARIERS XDD"

get the fuck out snow nigger

>>2724466
That looks fucking cool. I really want a decent RPG in ancient greek setting.

They are the barbarian group that left the most written records written by themselves.

Norse mythology was written down on Iceland.
Norse legends was written down on Iceland.
Norse poetry was written down on Iceland.
Norse sagas was written down on Iceland.
Norse kings' sagas was written down on Iceland.

Plus, a lot of clergy on the continent wrote about encounters with the barbarians.

No other barbarian group had such an extensive written record.

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i think viking is a pretty cool guy, eh runis culture and doesn't afraid of anything

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>>2727097
>vikangz
>norse

fuck you say wite boi

>>2727109
Wikangz was Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtDAOaIjVqc

>>2724306
Where the Normans what forms the basis of Franks becoming "modern" French?

>>2724433
>that helmet
>viking

Get out of my board you fucking shit.

>>2724433
That's the first Anglo Saxon king, as in the one to style himself as king

>>2727639

I think he's dumping an armour folder here instead of the armour thread

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>>2727109
YES
ESY
SYE

>>2727097
All those things you listed were written down after Christianization hundreds of years after the Viking Age had ended.

The primary written record from the actual barbarian Norsemen themselves are the runestones which are simple memorials that do not contain any substantive information about their culture.

>>2724408
>territories of the vikings

I see this spammed in viking threads as if it's supposed to be hyper impressive, when the only impressive thing about it is the voyage west.

Most of those voyages into eastern europe were as raiders or mercenaries, and as "vikings" the lands highlighted in scandinavia were pretty much never united and usually at one another's throats.

As for Britain, they were dispatched after a while too.

>>2724491
>crafted from a single piece of iron.

Nigga did your mother drop you at birth?

The mental gymnastics scanditards and wewuzing amerisharts undergo to shill generic pirates as great warriors are hilarious
>any other group attacks unarmed people
>fucking savages!
>vikangz attack unarmed farmers and monks
>it's called smart tactics ;)
>any other group loses at least 1 war
>they were meme warriors
>vikings were defeated in every place they tried to invade
>s-so what?! No one is invincible!
>hehe vikings such slayers of christians ;)
>especially Harald Hadrada, Hakon the Good, Harald Bluetooth totally were pagan
>once the vikingboo who had to google afromentioned names because his knowledge about norse comes from Skyrim realizes christian vikings were in fact a thing he goes ''it was because of political reasons!''
>just like every other country in Europe
>muh champions of white race ;)
>selling white slaves to arabs
>giant, muscular warriors!
>170cm on average, exactly the same as in England, the only one to describe them as tall was an arab manlet it's like when asians call a someone 180cm tall giant of course they fucking do if they are midgets themselves


wanna read about sea raiders who did some proper damage and actually worn horned helmets look up Sea Peoples who almost set Greece back to stone age

>>2727027
>ISIS destroys culture
>Seen as a holy act
>Christians destroys temples, genocides all of South America, topples governments, sells opium to the chinese,
>WE DINDU NUFFIN NEVA

>>>/pol/

>>2727681
The Norse Sagas aren't the only forms of evidence of Viking history, you do realize this, right?

>>2728163
Yes and you realize that the pagan Norse were an illiterate civilization?

And no runestone memorials do not qualify as literature.

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>>2728142
>Vikings were defeated every place they tried to raid
>Pop history fags actually believe this

They conquered both the British and Russian thrones wtf are you talking about

>Anyone else invades and rapes other cultures
>Savages

So then the British, Spanish, and French are all barbarians on a global scale?

>Exactly the same as in england

You do realize that anglos saxons are the descendants of Northern Europe people, right?

Why are britbong such morons?

>Sea people's

Oh it's a unifag of course

>>2728178
>Yes and you realize that the pagan Norse were an illiterate civilization?

Actually the runes do count as having a written language, most just saw written language as being a weakening of the mind because anyone who isn't smart enough to have memorized a story themselves is a moron. Most people were illiterate in the Viking age you mong, including non viking cultures. The only class of people who tended to not be illiterate were monks and church officials.

>>2728198
Having a written language is not the same as being a literate society. Yes commoners could not read during the medieval period but the point is that within Christendom the church as an institution was devoted to developing and promoting the written word to which there was no analogue in Norse society.

We've strayed from the original point anyway which was that this post >>2727097 is nonsense.

>>2724466
>How phallic you want your helmet senpai?

>>2728216
>Admit that there were literate classes of people all over Europe who witnessed and gave firsthand accounts of the Viking invasions
>Admit that the vikings became Christians
>Can't peice together the concept that the Vikings had to be converted by literate Christian monks who recorded their cultures and wars

Really mane?

>>2728223
They were no longer "barbarians" by the time all those things were written down which is what that post was saying.

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vikings are by far the ones who manage to trigger /his/ the most

>sailed from canada (leif eriksson) to persia (ingvar the far-travelled)
>found america 500 years before columbus did
>colonized iceland, greenland, newfoundland, a ton of smaller islands around britain
>was given normandy by charles the bald, creating what we know today as the normans
>were the bodyguards of the roman emperors
>established the north sea empire
>traded with everyone, from inuits in the west to buddhists in the east
>founded a bunch of towns in ireland, like dublin and cork
>wuz kangz of kiev and the rus', the name of rus' probably coming from the place known as roslagen in sweden

yeah, they weren' the best of conquerors, their "cousings" the normans are far more deserving of that title. but their feats of exploration are incredible for such a race of "barbarians"

>>2728232
>By the time all those things were written down

They were written during the invasion period and in the short aftermath because there still missionaries going over there to convert people wtf

Why no one gives a flying fuck about the trade routes they estabilished? That's more important than some ''hehe killin' and burnin' such berserkir ;)'' bullshit. Not metal enough for millenials?

>>2728240
Snorri lived in the 12th century and the oldest saga is from the 13th.

Are you stoned or something?

>>2728265
>Snorri
>The source of everything we know about the Vikings

Are you just stupid or something? The eddas are not the sum total of all our knowledge on the vikings

>>2728294
What are the primary sources of Viking literature you're referring to then?

>>2728304
Skyrim

>>2728294
yeah, a bunch of butthurt monks who couldn't handle the banter wrote a bunch about le ebil vikings

>>2728307
:-DDDDDDDDDDD

>>2728309
>He thinks butthurt monks are the only source of our knowledge on the vikings

It's time to stop posting

>>2728318
when did i say "Only source"?

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>>2728304
>Viking Literature
>Literature

Monks. I thought we have been over this? Much of pagan culture is a mystery although there were detailed accounts supposedly in the Library of Alexandria before it burned down

But in terms of overall Viking history Snorri is not the arbiter

>>2728332
Wrong person desu

>>2725581
that helmet puts a big smile on my face

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>>2728392
So you agree that this post (>>2727097) is nonsense?

>>2728265
>>2728294
it's snorre

>>2728419
No he's still right. The poems written by Christians were just old tales and songs sung by the pagans based on local folklore, sort of like the Grimm Brothers or Aesop.

Plus he's still right, there are very extensive records of the Vikings thanks to Catholic monks.

>>2724306
>how did they become more famous than any other european tribesmen?
Paganism revival by nazis + having cucked Britbongs, which, with their descendants (USA), partially rule the world now.

>>2727681
>>2727681
I was not making the case that the Norse were better because they had their stories written down, but the case that the Vikings are the most famous and interesting barbarian group because it is the group we know the best. Goths etc. are interesting, but there is just much more literature about the Vikings. No other barbarian group can compare. What have we written down of Gothic myths and legends?

The question to OP was why did the vikings get famous. I feel I answered that question.

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>>2728449
He said they were written by the barbarians themselves and not the Christians.

How can you say he's right when you disagree with him?

>>2724438
>>Left genetic imprints all across Europe, Ireland was basically used as a concubine hub
kek, the raided initially, took the Irish by surprise. But the Vikings settled in BOGS next to RIVERS so the Irish couldn't fight pitched battles against them.

They didn't conquer Ireland at all, got routinely rekt by the Irish and were VASSALS of the Irish for longer than they were free in Ireland.

At one point the Irish got so pissed off with their hit and run tactics, it drove the Irish to build their own fleets, which they did, then the Irish went to the Viking sea base in the Western Isles and destroyed them.

The Vikings were actually controlled by parasites.

>>2728513
>Rape a few Irish women
>Leave
>Irish persecute the rape babies

Sounds about right you Micks are sub human

>>2728478
>Say that the barbarians converted to Christianity.

Did you forget about that part?

>>2728586
You know Norse had a revenge system where it was acceptable to kill someone just because he was related to the guy you hate right?

>>2726706
>Awesome Manga of battles and political intrigue
>Now farm simulator and faggot pacifist shit

It really activated my almonds

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>>2728590
In order to forget something it has to exist first.

>>2728600
>They had a law system for that

Probably because people still do that to this day? See Hatfields and McCoys

>>2728623
It does exist you just don't know how to read the thread

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>>2728630
Point out where it says that in this post (>>2727097) right now.

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>>2728586

>>2728639
The whole quote? Icelandic people , not Icelandic pagans? There were Icelandic clergymen who wrote some of the poetry which was recorsing ancient poems and stories they had no part in making under a Christian lense.

How autistic are you? You high?

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>>2728652
Nowhere in the post does it mention Icelandic clergymen.

>>2728219
>Just make it a giant bell-end with eye holes and cheekguards.
What do you mean I'm a dickhead?

>>2724466
Kek dickhead

>>2728611
i hope you realize theyre going to travel through the russian rivers all the way down to constantinople right? And then to vinland to meet indians/skraeling. Its going to be amazing

>>2728663
Yes but it implies it? How autistic are you?

>>2728513
>settling in easily defendable positions
>bad

>>2728158
Those damn Christians, destroying our culture of human sacrifice, poverty, endless war, and rape then leaving behind cities, monuments, ages of peace and prosperity.
I feel ya, my man. These heavily biased /pol/ posters have no objective viewing of history like us Mexican intellectuals do. Tenochtitlan used to be the most advanced city in the entire world.

>>2728142
>wanna read about sea raiders who did some proper damage and actually worn horned helmets look up Sea Peoples who almost set Greece back to stone age
This is level one. Level 999 is realizing the Aesir Vanir war was between seafaring Gauls who routinely raped and pillaged Scandinavia so much so they bred out dark blue eyes and red hair replacing it with light blue eyes and blonde hair.
Protip :Red hair and deep blue is more advantageous in Scandinavia, the Scandis got really fucking btfo.

>>2728738
>defendable
Maybe if they actually defended them instead of running away.

>>2724306
>how did they become more famous than any other european tribesmen?
Rune Coons had blue eyes and blond hair, a nebulous history with accounts from both those who admired and disliked them, pirates.
It's the perfect combination for any media to latch onto. The Nordic peoples are objectively the most beautiful.
>inb4 subjective tards who don't understand Evolution chime in
Pirates are cool because they are the epitome of mystery and adventure, two things everyone loves. And their history being semi-mythological (not even mentioning their cool mythology) and not all that much known about it or the Norse themselves leaves lots of leeway for creative flair, and it really sets the imagination free.

In all seriousness, Skandiz are beautiful people, little cucked, but still easy on the eyes. Vikings didn't leave anything important behind, they themselves surrounded by water yet never dreamed of a sail, their Runic """"alphabet""" was taken from other Europeans and used on things like combs. They also ran more than they fought, they weren't really a warrior culture as much as they were a survivalist culture.
The Sagas were also just rehashings of older continental Germanic tales from the Volkenwanderung.

>>2724438
>Never built any great stone works besides some minor pagan temples but still had the technological capability of the rest of Europe
Cope.

>>2724411
as opposed to christians eradicating native Euro cultures?

>>2729100
Yeah war and poverty magically disappeared when Europe became Christian.

>>2729140
>men with blonde hair
>beautiful

KEK I've never met a blonde guy who wasn't gay fair hair is good only on women on men they look like faggots I mean can you imagine if Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone were blonde? No one would cast them in their movies.

>>2730758
this nordics are among the ugliest of peoples

>100% of theri women are manjawed sluts
>100% of their men got skinny androgynous faces
>piss blonde hair
>pink pig skin that burn in the sun

there is literaly nothing good about scandishits

>>2728600
>acceptable to kill someone just because he was related to the guy you hate right?

If one dude murdered a family member of mine i could legally murder one of his, An eye for an eye.

there had to be proofs tho.

>>2730784
>Blonde and fair skin
>Literally the epitome of beauty in the west

Im sure it must suck to look dirty 24/7 with shit colored skin and mud brown hair.

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>>2730758
>>2730784

>>2730800
He looks like a fag.

>>2730784
holy shit, the insecurity

>>2730784
>white skin is bad

kek that's why spics and gooks worship whites right?

>>2724306
literally the niggers of europe

>>2725499
I don't need greentext if I am right
>why did Iceland and Greenland survive?
They adopted christian faith, and started relying on agriculture thanks to superior christian calendar

>>2727655
eys sey

>>2730916
>>They adopted christian faith,
Except they only did so by force and continued practicing their old beliefs in private

>>and started relying on agriculture thanks to superior christian calendar
>>christian calendar
You're an idiot.

>>2730934
>m-MUH OLDE BELIEFE

>>2724408
It's incredible that those fuckers also reached the caspian sea, they were incredible sailors, underrated as fuck.

>>2730947
>>muh greentext
Cry moar christfag, euro polytheism is a million times more interesting then your nonsense will ever be.

>>2730959
remember, every fourth year you add a day on february, neanderthal

>>2730934
>Except they only did so by force and continued practicing their old beliefs in private

like every freshly converted country you retard

>>2724507
There appears to be a man with breasts in there.

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>>2724466
>>2728219
>>2728689

>>2730964
Again cry moar faggot, the world got nothing good from your religion it wouldn't have gotten without it anyway and the only unique thing that christianity brings to the table today is being pathetic cuckold.

>>2724306
Isn't it partially because a lot of their culture/myths etc was written on runestones and was preserved for a long time?
For example we dont really know a lot about proto slav culture/beliefs because they wouldn't contribute anything to the christian canon and would just burn their old god totems etc

>>2730982
Except Iceland was remote enough that nobody really bothered to really root out these old beliefs and they are one of the few european nations that has a polytheist movement that is essentially continuous.

>>2724742
Know who else could do that? Berbers , being able to pillage coastal peasants isn't impressive.

>>2733001
The Barbary pirates were considered a terror in their time as well though, and they were impressive enough of a threat that the french would eventually invade and occupy algeria and morroco in order to stop their raids.

Not that this matters all that much, as the Norse vikings were good enough at fighting that even when they lost their enemies were still afraid of them and the Byzantines were so impressed with their prowess that they started using them as bodyguards for the emperor.

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>>2724491

Basically northmen are superior so they don't need to look intimidating using a mask.

>>2729108
>Aesir Vanir war was between seafaring Gauls who routinely raped and pillaged Scandinavia

Any sources on this, Not saying it isn't true, it's a genuinely interesting approach.

>>2730934
lol

>>2735262
Just bullshit.
Vanir are the old pre-Germanic gods.
Æsir are the new Germanic gods.
Æsir-Vanir war is a way to explain how the Germanic gods became dominant.

>>2735783
Nothing humorous about the truth other then the butthurt reaction from stupid christfaggots.

>>2724306
We're still using the trade routes they established during the viking era. That and they made it all the way to Canada. They were quite talented metallurgists, and while christian Europe wasn't bathing they were. If anything they had the most civil culture of the Europeans.