What's wrong with Population transfers?

You typically do them to people who don't want to move.

>>2723298
They're not typically well planned out. It's not like you can just cut and paste families and communities into new areas smoothly.

Nothing. Population transfers are exactly what's needed in Muslim countries today with sorting out Sunnis, Shias and so on.

It's ok to kick out white peoples from your country, see how no one calls Nasser a racist for expelling the Greeks and other Europeans, no one calls for reparations for the pied-noirs who fled Algeria or the Portuguese "retornados" who fled the Portuguese colonies in Africa.

But if non-white people leave a certain land, even if voluntarily, as the Palestinians left what would later become Israel, than that's an unspeakable crime that must be repaired by rights of return and billionaire compensations.

>>2724528
but the islamic understanding of population transfer, Hijra, concerns transfering islamic populations into infidel clay, it does not concern their infighting.

Prior to industrialization and globalism people were intrinsically linked to the land, they relied on it for food, water, resources to build their homes, the food the land produced made up their bodies, just consider the concept of how the land was a part of a community and defined it, not only personally via sustenance but culturally as well. Not only is lamd for sustenance but it is where ancestors are buried, parents, grandparents, even children- it is holy ground. Biologically people were molded by their environment, Europeans have lighter skin, people located near the equator have darker, Native Americans have larger noses which allow for greater humidification of the desert air, Nepalese can survive in oxygen deprived high elevations.
All of these contributed to the cultural creation of a homeland, moving people from a land they are connected to destroys their identity, their peronalities, their community and nation.
People in a foreign land won't fight for it, they lose any sense of nationalism or connection to the land, and in a way are disenfranchised. It takes multiple generations to gain a firm cultural and collective connection to the land.

>>2723311
fpbp
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>>2723298
They expose nations as the memes they are.

>>2724592
>Colonial powers playing victim.
tsss.

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>>2724772
This is why Nationalism is necessary.

The people who don't "get it" are the product of modern day consumerist society, so disconnected from the land and the past that they have no identity apart from the one corporations and intellectuals hand them.

>>2723298
They violate the NAP.

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>>2724592
>voluntarily, as the Palestinians left what would later become Israel

"Hay you, GTFO out of your house, we're giving it to this Jewish family."
"What?! No way!"
"LOL, the UN said we can."
"That's bullshit!"
"You're a terrorist!"

That said, the only way to insure peace in the MidEast (or at least some kinda peace) is to forcibly transfer all the Palestinians to surround Arab countries.

Forcing people who hate each other to live together, has never and will never work.

>>2724772
>>2725430
>Prior to industrialization and globalism people were intrinsically linked to the land
>This is why Nationalism is necessary.

Meanwhile, in many land Empires during the era of 19th Century Nationalism.
>These people have been living alongside ours now for hundreds of years. They are tied to the land.
>REEEEEE GET THEM OUT, MUH NATIOOOON! DISREGARD CENTURIES OF NOT GIVING A FUCK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE HAD THE SAME MONARCH ANYWAY!!!1!1!

>>2726150
good post, nationalists are historically illiterate

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>>2726150
That is imperialism and exceptionalism, not nationalism.
>>2726167
and you're just illiterate

>>2726203
Yeah, not that many nation-states in the world prior the 18th-19th Centuries.

its not used by the western world is the problem with.

>>2726218
You didn't understand my post and keep commenting on it without understanding it.
>>2724772

>>2726203
Nationalism loves being exceptional.

>>2726244
Everyone loves being exceptional
USSR in Afghanistan, and pretty much all of Eastern Europe
China in Vietnam
The US in every other Middle Eastern country
Your cherry picked, narrow worldview discredits you and reduces your critical thinking capacity.

>>2726252
>>2726252
Wrong.

Empires tend to love Universalism to control multiple diverse peripheries. "We're the highest civilization, ergo we get to rule you." "Heaven has appointed our monarch to rule over the world, ergo we rule you." "We provide security in this region, we get to rule you."

Nation tends to want to exclude others based on something exceptional to itself. You can only be one of us if you've lived here/have this racial trait/speak this language/eat this food/worship this religion/etc.

>>2726323
>imperialism is multi-cultural therefore it is better
Also you're wrong, the Soviets banned religion in whatever state they controlled and forced their politics and version of beliefs, as have the Chinese. And the US (freedom and democracy for everyone, no conservatism or traditions that are contra to American values allowed!)
Secondly National Socialist Germany (which is the example you're mincing around) didn't force the Germanification of Italy, or Romania, or Croatia, etc, only lands that were considered by the state as German.

>>2726332
>"I read the word diverse and got triggered.
Universalism = Multiculturalism. Idiot.

>>2726346
I used multi-culturalism since that was the term you were looking for, universalism refers to religion, not nationalities, ethnicities or races. I just was second guessing your meaning. Can't fault you for trying though.

>>2726332
>Secondly National Socialist Germany (which is the example you're mincing around) didn't force the Germanification of Italy, or Romania, or Croatia, etc, only lands that were considered by the state as German.
>only lands that were considered by the state as German.
>considered by the state as German.
>"HURR THERE WAS A GERMAN EMIGRE SETTLEMENT HERE THEREFORE IT WAS HEIMAT, HEIL HEIL."
Way to go proving my point faggot.

Furthermore many nation states do this. I didn't even have Nazi Germany in mind. Just look at the complete non-acceptance of Poland, Baltic states with the German parts of their history, particularly having German elites.

>>2726354
I used universalism outright, you dunce. You're the one triggered enough to equate it with Multiculturalism, you fucking asshole.

What kind of multicultural view is "our monarch is appointed by heaven to rule all of you," holy shit.

>>2726364
>non-acceptance of Baltic states

But the Balts, namely the Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians all served in the SS and were allies of Germany? The Soviets punished them pretty badly because of their association if I remember correctly.

>>2726369
Wow whats with the hostilities?
We're not discussing religion but how Nationalism, as you said here
>Empires tend to love Universalism to control multiple diverse peripheries. "We're the highest civilization, ergo we get to rule you." "Heaven has appointed our monarch to rule over the world, ergo we rule you." "We provide security in this region, we get to rule you."

None of those are examples of universalism.
>What kind of multicultural view is "our monarch is appointed by heaven to rule all of you," holy shit.
Hapsburgs, Burgundy, Normans ruling England, then there are the empires- Austria-Hungary, HRE.
You know. History.

>>2724638
>but the islamic understanding of population transfer, Hijra, concerns transfering islamic populations into infidel clay

No, it conserns immigration from the land of infidels to the land of Muslims. In Islam, living among infidels and living in an area which is not governed by Sharia is considered a sin, which means that hijra, immigration to the land of Muslims governed by Sharia, is a religious obligation. Some ISIS-supporters that I have talked to even claim that anyone who voluntarily immigrates to the non-Islamic state automatically becomes an infidel.

>>2726389
>None of those are examples of universalism.
They are. What part of "highest" civilization you don't understand? When civilizations say shit like that they meant the whole fucking world.

In religious terms, "Being appointed by Heaven" is right up there in terms of universality, especially if you're monotheistic cunts (Charles V's realm, the Ottoman Empire) or if you consider your gods the highest over others (China's Heaven).
>Hapsburgs, Burgundy, Normans ruling England, then there are the empires- Austria-Hungary, HRE.
Holy shit, you're fucking stupid.
Multiculturalism is when EACH culture matters and gets a place in the sun. No matter what. EVERYONE is right.

The Universalism that empires tend to have are not as merciful you misbegotten idiot. They only respect your culture in as much as none of it goes against the binding glue of the Empire that is whatever universalist rhetoric the imperial core has, you piece of shit. You can continue doing x/speaking x, so long as you recognize our monarch as your monarch, or acknowledge our highly civilized status, or follow our religion. The moment you go against any of that, you're screwed. But so long as you don't, yeah, you can be whatever piece of shit tribal subspecies you're proud of. Just remember who your rulers are.

>>2726389
>Austria-Hungary
>Multicultural
Get out, it's basically Habsburg Empire 2.0: placating Hungary a bit version.
>Norman England
Yeah, removing the Saxon Aristocracy, destroying the Shire systems, in favor of Norman Aristocrats stealing their land and importing Continental Feudalism on Saxon Freemen suuuure is multicutural.

>>2726401
Jesus you're mad, but I can't stop poking holes in your arguments
>Multiculturalism is when EACH culture matters and gets a place in the sun. No matter what.
Wow thanks for that definition from the "Your Definitions That Fit Your Arguments, 2nd Edition". Mutliculturalism is simply that- multi (many) culturalism (cultures). Like the HRE or the Austian-Hungary Empire or the Ottoman Empire, there is no "equality" or "egalitarianism" in the definition. Cultures don't necessarily have to matter, they're just existing together, whether they cooperate or one is considered "higher" is inconsequential to the definition of multi-culturalism.
Now you've had to switch to focusing on "religious mandates" which had N O T H I N G to do with nationalism or the original discussion, you're merely masking your improper terminology by changing the focus of the discussion.
Which has ruined the thread.

>>2723311

boo hoo

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>>2723298
>What's wrong with Population transfers?

As others have pointed; those being transferred ain’t going to want to leave, which means they’ll probably fight you.

But, population transfer would solve a lot of problem across the globe, just as the Soviets did by removing the cancer of German colonization from Eastern Europe.