>this is your brain on protestantism

>>2720161
I'll never really understand why they apply a clause in Rev to the whole compiled Bible, or ignore the source texts in favor of a translation that benefits neither from modern discoveries or ancient input.

The KJB is a new revelation.

>>2720208
>"This isn't inspired, we're just translators who employed sound textual criticism"
~t. the intro to the KJV written by the translators

>>2720161
It is my contention that once a person no longer believes the King James Bible is the inerrant word of God, they become their own authority and they end up not believing any text or any Bible in any language is the infallible word of God.

>ITT
>Skydaddy fanboys arguing which of their purely fictional fanfiction books is closer to reality

>>2720161
SOLA SCRIPTURA!! FUCK PHILOSOPHY

>>2720208
do you actually have the original translation or do you have one of the modern editions which has been corrected to better match the original languages?

>>2720217
>"This isn't inspired, we're just translators who employed sound textual criticism"
It really says something to that effect? Because seriously, the translation quality is *terrible*. What the hell constituted "sound textual criticism" back then?

>>2720225
Obviously the one closest to "reality" would be the one delivered in the tongue of the original Inspiration.

>There is no place in my heart for the """salvation""" of the Nazarene.

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>Jesus praying to himself
>Jesus praying to himself to save himself from dying but not really

>>2720221
Reading the Bible in English is about as authentic as reading Shakespeare in Romanian.

>it's another Catholic LARPer can't stop loudly shitposting thread

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>>2720221
even if it's the original non-translated texts? man, I feel bad for anyone who doesn't speak english.

>>2720236
Ah, you mean those accounts written 80 years latter by die hard kool aid drinkers? Yes, they must be true.

>>2720239
Do you not think God can speak in any language?

>>2720234
>What the hell constituted "sound textual criticism" back then?
See:
>>2720184
>a translation that benefits neither from modern discoveries or ancient input.

I mean, the translators WERE at a pretty serious deficit compared to previous and later times. They did their best, but shit, the Geneva appeared to be preferred for a long ass while in the Americas.

Also:
>The Translators to the Reader
http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm

>>2720161
>bible believing

This is my favorite Protestant spin term, along with 'biblically oriented'

>>2720237
I may be muslim but honestly, anon; aren't the Christians going to say that "Well since God is all-powerful he would be doing that in a way incomprehensible to mortals."?

>>2720239
>Romanian
romans spoke latin you retard!

>>2720246
I'm not speaking to the veracity of content, only the fact that in terms of historicity, the Greek manuscripts are as close as we can get to source.

>>2720247
He likely can, but he decided to deliver his message in Greek. Any translation is imperfect by nature since it completely rapes syntax and uses imperfect substitute words. There is literally no excuse for a Christian not to learn to read Koine Greek, I understand if you were a shit eating peasant in 600 AD who had no access to education it would be pretty tough, but in modern days you can literally teach yourself languages on the internet.

>>2720262
>Romanians = Romans
American education

only priests should be allowed to read and intemperate the bible

>>2720161
>Not opting for the Hawai`i Pidgin Bible
Mark 12
> Jesus start teaching um wit stories. He say "one guy wen go plant one grape field. He make one fence around um, an dig one puka inside da groun fo squeeze da grapes. An he build one watch tower. Den he wen rent da grape farm to some farma guys, an den he go far away.
>Wen time fo cut da grapes, he send one worka guy fo get his share from da farma guys grapes.
>But da farma guys wen grab da worka guy, an bus um up, an throw him outside wit notting.
>Da boss send one nodda worka. Dey bus up his head an dey no shame fo make any kine to him
>So he send one nodda worka, an dey kill um. He send plenny odda guys. Some a dem dey bus up, but da oddas, dey kill um.
>Still yet had one guy dea, but was his boy. He really love dat boy. In da end he wen send him. He say, ‘Eh, dey goin show respeck fo my boy.’
>But wen da farma guys spock da boy, dey tell each odda, ‘Eh, dis da guy goin own da farm. Come, we kill him an take ova da grape farm.’
>So dey grab da boy an kill him, an throw him outside da grape field.
>Kay den, wen da boss who own da grape farm come, wat you guys tink he goin do to dem? He goin kill da bad guys, an den he goin rent da farm to some odda guys.
>Eh, you guys neva read inside da Bible bout da stone dass jalike me? Da Bible say, Had one big stone,
Da builda guys was tinking,
‘Poho! Dis stone junk!’
An dey no take um.
But dat stone,
Dass da corner block.
Can make da building strong.
>Da Boss Up Dea
Wen do dis, yeah?
An dis awesome!”
>Den da main pries dem was tinking how dey can bus him, cuz dey know he was talking bout dem. But dey scared da peopo. So dey go way from him.

Truly the Word of God in its purest. A Third Inspiration.

>>2720268
True, but they're not the source. They're not the autographs. There's no reason to believe that the followers of Jesus didn't start writing before he died.

Unless suddenly absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

>>2720274

Point.

Your head.

>>2720268
Yes, that makes them about as legit as a Scientology authorized biography of Ron Hubbard.

>>2720299
>but they're not the source
I'm not making the claim that they are matey.

>>2720281
I'm almost not hostile to this idea.

>>2720296
Is there a Bible in Ebonics too?

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>>2720316
You mean all fifteen volumes of it?!

>>2720299
>There's no reason to believe that the followers of Jesus didn't start writing before he died.
>Unless suddenly absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
the inverse also applies buddy. you can't simply claim that something is true based simply on that it can't be proven wrong.

>>2720327
He looks like that dude from Better Call Saul.

>>2720269
believe, along with thousands of other Christians, that God has kept His promises to preserve His words and He has done so in the King James Bible.

>>2720334
I'm not an Anglo retard cultist so I have no reason to believe that.

>>2720327
>>2720333
Interesting to see how religion works. The book of Mormon is another good example, and I have few doubts the same methods where used for the original NT.

>>2720334
Is God responsible for the verse numbers and table of contents too?

>>2720319
I've heard of a joke one, as far as I know there isn't a serious translation into ebonics.

>I be God. Don' be dissing me.
> Don' be makin hood ornaments outa me or nothin in my crib.
>Don' be callin me for no reason - homey don' play that.
>Y'all betta be in church on Sundee.
>Don' dis ya mama ... an if ya know who ya daddy is, don' dis him neither.
>Don' ice ya bros.
>Stick to ya own woman.
>Don' be liftin no goods.
>Don' be frontin like you all that an no snitchin on ya homies.
>Don' be eyein' ya homie's crib, ride, or nothin.

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>>2720296
NOW THA'S A BOOK I KIN READ

>>2720357
NT, not really, it verifiably had numerous authors. But the Quran definitely follows the same pattern as Mormonism (random guy sees an angel, gets told all existing Scripture is corrupted or incomplete and gets a new revelation of some brainlet polytheist cult and writes a book about it)

>>2720357
>Interesting to see how religion works.
https://youtu.be/WYBx31XOeu0

>>2720377
So the only difference is that in this case it was some second rate cool aid drinkers who made shit up instead of the big prophet guy?
Face it, most of Christianity is made up. tailor made to fit the Roman religious market, re-edited and stream-lined several times to fit the times and the guys in power. The King James edit is just another one.
You can like christian values if that is your thing, but if you really believe thats the word of god then you are just one naive idiot.

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why does everyone make a big fuss about paul and his contributions to christianity?

>>2720400
t. Schlomo

>>2720409
>paul and his contributions to christianity?
Like pulling the entire thing out of his ass?

>>2720400
>Torture and martyrdom
>Tailored roman religious market
Thanks Moishe

>>2720417
>>2720431
ad hominem for lack of arguments...

>>2720409
I'd have liked to hear more early theological perspectives. Like James the Just.

>>2720409
Like turning a small time jewish zealot into the messiah and re-branding the jewish religion into something fit for the mass market? He was a marketing genius of the highest magnitude, thats for sure.

>>2720450
>hi my name is Reza Aslan and this is brainlet pophistory

>>2720237
You've never argued with yourself anon?
Never once talked yourself into or out of something?

>>2720441
>>2720454
really running out of arguments now, don't you christfags?
Sorry, it is not my fault you based your lives on a completely made up story that a 6 year old could see trough. See it positive, at least you have a social network of like minded people now and things get real easy for you because all the complicated and important questions in live already have been answered for you.

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>>2720466
>You've never argued with yourself anon?

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>>2720472
/his/ related

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>>2720377
>Mormons made their holy book up, lol
>Muslims made their holy book up, lol
>no, the Bible is totally not made up, it is the word of god!!!

>>2720319
There's a Gullah version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJGstZJm03o

>>2720532
t. Antichrist

>>2720425
>>2720409
>>2720449
>>2720450

Is there actually any proof he drastically altered the religion of the Christians?

>>2720566
Given that Jesus was only addressing other jews and was just one of the many zealots fighting against the romans of the time he made up most of the Christian religion. Jesus was a jew, all his disciples where jews, they held to the jewish laws and thought only off the jewish religion with their messianic message.
Paul/Saul opened that up for the mass marked, no more chosen people only, everybody can join, have some old testament free with that.

>>2720566
Nope, just fedorafags being annoying edgelords in a thread not about them, as usual.

>>2720566
His drastically altered form of Judaism became what we know as Christianity.

>>2720585
>post some pre Paul/Saul "Christian" teachings
>oh wait, there are none
>right then, it totally must be the word of god then

>>2720603
Now with 100% more messianic, plus open for non-gods-chosen-people

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>>2720584
>>2720603
>>2720606
>>2720609
>"he altered Judaism by making Jesus say things he never said!"
>"where are the proofs?"
>"where are the proofs he didn't?"
It doesn't work like that, faggots. The burden of proof is on you. Otherwise every historian pulled out everything they wrote from their ass because they could.

>>2720584
>Jesus was only addressing other jews

FALSE.

Jesus preaches to a Samaritan woman (John 4:1-26)

Jesus preaches to a Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:21-28)

Jesus helps the faithful centurion (Luke 7:1-10)

>>2720621
Its a logical supposition based on what we know about the gospel writers, Paul's letters, and what fragments of "heretical" Christian writing that survives.

>>2720621
actually the cricic-historic method works exactly like that.
The first Christina writing known is the 1 Thess by Paulus in the year 50, 20-30 years before the first gospel was written.
With the historic evidence we have, all Christian texts are either from Paulus or his disciples, long after Jesus. Thats what we know. Now some cunts believe this is the word of god, but then every religious cunt ever believed it his book was the word of god for some reason or another.

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>>2720637
t. Judaizer

>>2720640
The idea that Jesus was even a real person is also just a logical supposition. The skeptics are quite right there is no direct evidence he was a living person, its just more absurd to believe he was made up whole cloth

>>2720635
So your proof is a book, written ~100 years after Jesus and explicitly trying to sell a new religion to all kind of peoples, including the aforementioned ones?
>it is true because this advertising brochure says so

>>2720640
How can I be a judaizer when I don't give their religion any more credence than I give yours?

>>2720645
What does that have to do with the accusation that Paul made up things about Jesus?

However, I'm sure you would just argue that it is a logical supposition that the scriptures are lying because it fits your ideology.

>>2720646
The stories themselves predate their transcription and regardless, yes I do believe in the Gospels.

>>2720639
>>2720646
>>2720648
>"The gospels were written years later after the death of Jesus, so he actually hated the non-jews and they invented everything because I say so!!1!"
You are all fucking pathetic.

What about people who don't speak english? Should they all learn english to read the KJV of the bible? Did any american evangelist ever ask himself this question or does the fact non-english people exist boggle their mind?

>>2720648
Because you're arguing that Jesus meant to continue Jewish cultural practices such as ritual observance to the Law which is precisely what the Judaizers argued.

>>2720661
The supposition comes from most of the same scholars, though the same historical method. If you trust the historical methods determination that Jesus was a real person its logical to except their conclusions on Paul as well.

>>2720667
>Is not very successful as a zealot
>hundreds others like him
>gets eventually nailed by the romans, like many other zealots of the time

>50-70 years later
>has a little cult going on
>cool aid drinkers write down story
>with the clear intent to make their little cult more popular

>100% the word of god
>can't proof otherwise
>no, just because all other religions are fake this doesn't mean the same mechanism was at work here

Keep on believing homre!

>>2720667
Well I never said that, but I do think its pretty clear that Jesus was an observant Jew if not quite an orthodox one, and wanted his followers to do the same, which is what most of the apostles outside Paul also though before he allegedly convinced them otherwise.

God wen get so plenny love an aloha fo da peopo inside da world, dat he wen send me, his one an ony Boy, so dat everybody dat trus me no get cut off from God, but get da real kine life dat stay to da max foeva.

>>2720566
He's the only one of the apostles that wrote while Jesus was alive. All of the other books in the New Testament were written around 100-120 AD. I'd say that's kind of a big deal.

>>2720400
What the fuck lmao

>>2720679
Frankly I don't trust the historical methods of secular scholars because their ideology colors their analysis.

My determination that Jesus is a real person stems from my personal relationship with Him.

Of course I don't rely solely on that argument when addressing a hostile audience because I'm sure my subjective experience is likely to just provoke mockery so I supplement with secular scholarship because I understand that it is more persuasive to a non-believer.

However, that does not mean I agree with all of their findings or methods.

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>>2720702
>My determination that Jesus is a real person stems from my personal relationship with Him.

An if I was one talka fo God, an I wen know all kine secret stuffs an all da kine stuffs dat da smart guys know, an if I wen trus God all da way so I can even make da mountains move, but I no mo love an aloha, wat den? I worth notting, dass wat.

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>>2720714

>>2720702
>I'm sure my subjective experience is likely to just provoke mockery

>>2720674
We see this not only when we look at books about 'kingdom', but also when we consider 'Jesus and the law'. Here the great fact is that Jesus' followers did not know that he had directly opposed the law, and in particular they did not know him to have opposed the laws governing Sabbath, food and purity. Sabbath and food, which are prominent in the Gospels, are two of the three issues which figure in Paul's letters. In Rom. 14, for example, we see clearly that neither the Roman Christians nor Paul had a tradition from Jesus which clarified the proper stance towards the law on these points. Thus we learn a negative with virtually complete certainty: Jesus did not explicitly oppose these parts of the law, nor did he 'abrogate' the law in general. No study of the synoptic conflict pericopes can ever establish their 'authenticity' if that is taken to involve 'proving' Jesus' explicit opposition to the law. The great fact of Christian behaviour proves otherwise. Opposition to Sabbath, food and purity do not belong to the bedrock of the tradition.

>>2720702

I will ask which is likely to have the most bias, a large pool of researchers coming from different faiths and world views, pooling and fact checking reaserach over a long period of time, or the subjective experience of a "relationship" with a deity, something which is hardly unique to Christianity?

>>2720274
>Bit the bait
I bet you're British

>>2720686
>with the clear intent to make their little cult more popular
>being part of a "cult" and believing in someone
>changing completely everything he said disrespecting him and his message even though at the time their religion would give them way more problems than advantages
Kek. As I said, pathetic. Go flaunt your trenchcoat somewhere else. Like in plebbit where you belong.

>>2720687
It depends on the issue, because trying to guess his stance on things he did not talk about and changing what he said or did (ex. preaching to non-jews) are two very different things.

An afta, everyting goin pau. Dat time, Christ da King goin wipe out all da spirits dat say, “Me, I da leada! I stay in charge a everyting! I get da right fo make how I like! I strong!” Same time, Christ da King goin turn ova everyting to God his fadda.

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>>2720726
Nice cut and paste.

If Jesus was just another orthodox rabbi, why did he do work on the Sabbath? Isn't that a violation of the Law?!

Why did he associate with sinners, tax-collectors and lepers? Wouldn't that have made him ritually unclean?!

Why did he say "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them?" How is that kosher?!

OY VEY NONE OF THIS IS KOSHER!!!!!11!1

>>2720736
Both sides are biased so objectivity is not possible when discussing Jesus.

"This is why Simeon said "This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed"

>>2720794
>If Jesus was just another orthodox rabbi, why did he do work on the Sabbath? Isn't that a violation of the Law?!
When did he do work on the Sabbath? Healing people and saying prayers isn't "work"

>Why did he associate with sinners, tax-collectors and lepers? Wouldn't that have made him ritually unclean?!
No, it wouldn't have. You become ritually unclean by touching dead people, or things like semen, blood, or menstrual fluid, not by hanging out with the lower strata of society.

>Why did he say "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them?" How is that kosher?!
Because defilement and sin are two completely separate concepts in Judaism, and have nothing to do with each other. Occasionally, in cases like burying the dead, performing the righteous act, the one that you are obligated to do, nevertheless makes you defiled.

Not even the guy you're responding to, but holy shit, you should get yourself a clue as to how Judaism operates before making stupid statements like that.

>>2720794
Objectivity is arguably impossible, the reason we use a systematic process is to minimize the effects of bias and dishonest scholarship.

Frankly so many issues in history are controversial if we didn't approach them like any other question we would never accomplish anything.

>>2720161
>Be Protestants.
>"FUCK Studying ancient languages. God must speak in the vernacular like a father speaks to a child."
>W-WHY DON'T WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THIS? IT'S A MYSTERY. GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS.

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>>2720812
Performing miracles is work which is why the Pharisees were offended when Jesus did it on the Sabbath and touching a leper would have made Jesus ritually unclean because it's a skin disease (Leviticus 13-14) and touching something unclean makes that person unclean (Numbers 19:22) and finally, an orthodox rabbi would not have said that food does not cause defilement because it directly contradicts Leviticus 11:47.

>>2720813
I agree and that's why it's ultimately a matter of who you choose to put your faith in.

>>2720296

This is the greatest thing I've ever read

http://www.pidginbible.org/Concindex.html

>>2720891
Tkaes a lot of faith to believe nowadays. I'm always impressed how well you guys are able to bend your minds around facts and keep believing.

>>2720161
KJV is top tier English literature. Piss poor for theological purposes.

>>2720907
I'm always impressed by how much faith you guys put in the human mind.

>>2720883
>Performing miracles is work which is why the Pharisees were offended when Jesus did it
>Implying that the Gospel writers could tell the difference between Sadducees and Pharisees.

Remember how in Acts the same author of Luke simultaneously thinks that Paul is a Pharisee but at the same time works for the Sadducee priests? And seriously, cite me to a Jewish source that says you can't work miracles on the Sabbath. I'll wait.

> and touching a leper would have made Jesus ritually unclean because it's a skin disease

First off, not all skin diseases are צרעת, which has some VERY distinctive symptoms, which by the way are clearly not leprous. Secondly, nothing mentions Jesus actually touching any of them, nor does it in any way impact hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors

>and touching something unclean makes that person unclean
Yes, I said that. Do you have a reading problem, or a thinking problem? Hanging out with a hooker isn't touching something ritually unclean.

>and finally, an orthodox rabbi would not have said that food does not cause defilement because it directly contradicts Leviticus 11:47.
STILL not understanding the difference between ritual defilement and sin. While we're on the subject of Leviticus 11, you might want to check out the 43rd verse, which clearly draws a distinction between the two concepts in regard to the same "food" item, which it does not for other food items.

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>>2720926
>cite me to a Jewish source that says you can't work miracles on the Sabbath. I'll wait.

"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death." - Exodus 35:2

>a sabbath of complete rest

So in your mind /working/ miracles is resting? Oy vey.

>צרעת which has some VERY distinctive symptoms, which by the way are clearly not leprous.

https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%A2%D7%AA

http://telem.openu.ac.il/courses/c20237/leprosy.htm

>STILL not understanding the difference between ritual defilement and sin

That has nothing to do with my argument which is that even if it were not a sin an orhthodox rabbi would not give people permission to eat unclean foods.

>>2720566
No, there isnt. Paul met with Jesus' apostles such as Peter and they all confirmed him in his mission. If anyone knew the Christian religion, it was the disciples of Jesus themselves, and they gave him the green light.

>>2721375
yeah and we know this happened because one of Paul's followers said so and people hundreds of years later put it in the bible.

Water tight

>>2720262

The gypsies speak latin?

>>2720221
It is my contention that once a person no longer believes the Latin Vulgate Bible is the inerrant word of God, they become their own authority and they end up not believing any text or any Bible in any language is the infallible word of God.

>>2720692
Paul's letters are dated to 50-60 AD, 20 years after Jesus died.

>>2721515
Presumably it took him time to write and compile them. The point is that he was a contemporary to Jesus, the only one too write about him.

>>2721593
>Clearly has not read any of the epistles.
Not even him, but why do you Christfags post shit like this? Things like the First Thessalonians is as much about saying 'hi' to people he likes as it is about theology. Sure, it probably took him a day or two to draft it, or longer if he had to do other stuff in the meantime, but it wouldn't be a project on the order of years.

> The point is that he was a contemporary to Jesus, the only one too write about him.
If you believe his stuff, no he was not a contemporary to Jesus, and the closest he gets to 'meeting' the guy was a vision he had.

>>2721593
Paul never claims to have met Jesus, nor does he provide any sayings of Jesus to back up his viewpoint. there's only two events in the life of Jesus that he mentions: his death and the last supper in the context of commentary on the practice of communion. If he had met him saying so would certainly boost his credibility. he's only a contemporary in the sense that he was alive when Jesus was alive

English is as good as any language can be for rendering the original words accurately. Over a thousand years of taking in Latin and Greek vocabulary has made it more than apt for rendering most of the Greek terminology. That said, what Iesou/ Yeshua said in Galilean Aramaic was probably more rustic than what appears in the Greek. Clues of this could be found in extant Syriac versions. Greek is more elaborate a language as can be seen with its use of compounds. The Aramaic of Yeshua's time and region probably wasn't as ornate.

The Catholic Church's interpretation of the words in the early modern era was adopted by translations in the modern languages of the western world and this has shifted to some extent from some of the Bible's original connotations.

>>2721611
>>2721636
Are you guys fucking retarded?
>con·tem·po·rar·y (n): a person or thing living or existing at the same time as another.
Paul wrote a bunch of bullshit right around the same time Jesus was alive. Those are literally the only parts of the Bible written at that time; everything else in the New Testament came a generation or more later. That's the point I'm making, not that they were best bros or something.

>>2721756
Nah Jesus had already been crucified and risen by the time Paul had his first vision. Before that he persecuted Christians which means there could be a possibility that their existence as a sect may have been what in some way prompted Paul to convert.

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>>2720161

>>2720237
>Jesus showing his followers how to pray in a time of great need and difficulty
>Jesus showing his followers how to accept fate no matter how undesirable it is if God rules it for the best

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>>2722277

>"Hey dad, it's me, you; asking myself to save me from us who wants us to save myself, you, and me."

>>2720161

Not to sound like a fedora tipping atheist but religion is pretty stupid. Definitely an opiate.

I'm not entirely sure why you just can't be a non-shit person? Hell, I live in the bible belt and most of the Christians I know are pretty shitty. Not all, of course. My mom tries to be as good of a Christian as she can and not a gun-toting truck driving American saluting Trump supporting retard. Nothing wrong with firearms or trucks.

>>2722222
So this is protestant Autism in purest form?

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>>2720161
>KJV
>perfectly preserved

>>2720584
>Christianity is not verifiable!
>those parts in the Bible about jesus being a good Jew are 100% true, trust me goy
Pick one.

>>2720686
The bible wasnt even compiled formally until the 300s. This idea that they wanted to make their cult popular and wrote a ficitonal tie-in is ridiculous, even by objective historical fact.

Also, if it was just a lame cult they didnt believe 100%, why did every apostle except John die a brutal, martyr's, death?

This "le made up cult" meme is dumb and is totally ignorant in light of history. People dont give their lives for what they know to be a lie.

>>2721398
That is ignoring the historical testimony of the Roman Catholics. Also, paul's meeting with peter is primarily recorded in the Epistle of Galatians, which was written by Paul himself. Secular scholarship corroborates this.

Also, saying
>I dont believe the Catholics
>therefore, all their historical record cannot be trusted
is dumb.

>>2722222
checked.

Also there is so much it wrong here it unironically made me mad.

>>2720635
Matthew 15:21-28
What was that?

>>2720725
>I'm sure saying something retarded leads someone to correct me
Your logic. Pretending to be persecuted doesn't prove your argument.

>>2722881
I believe alot of what Catholics have written.

>That is ignoring the historical testimony of the Roman Catholics.

testimony is less reliable the further it is from events

> Also, paul's meeting with peter is primarily recorded in the Epistle of Galatians, which was written by Paul himself. Secular scholarship corroborates this.

Not everyone agrees this describes the council of Jerusalem

There are reason to question whether the given accounts of the council have been sanitized in favor of Paul. He may indeed have secured a pass for gentiles not to follow the full mosaic law but its likely this was a major fight that was not accepted by all factions of the church

>>2720237
HUMAN AND DEVINE
HUMAN AND DEVINE
HUMAN AND DEVINE
HUMAN AND DEVINE
HUMAN AND DEVINE

>>2720296
1An Jesus tell um, “Dass right! An I like tell you dis too: Some peopo standing hea no goin mahke befo dey see God da King come wit power.”

>>2720281
EVeryone can read it just in the original language , and only sacrastans should read it during mass

>>2720744
I'm Irish actually unlike all those fake Americans appropriating my culture and genocide

>>2720686
Then why didn't all the false messiahs not have cults into 200 AD that Tacitus writes about

>>2720237
mormonism has it right.

jesus =/= god =/= the holy spirit

everything fits with the holy trinity. jesus literally being god is idol worship and revisionism.

>>2722868
>People dont give their lives for what they know to be a lie.
one of the most ignorant things I've read on this board.

>>2726208
Luck?

Why did Buddhism of all the spiritual movements in India spread through east Asia? Why did Zoroastrianism take off?

Either every successful religion is the product of Divine intervention or their is luck involved, or you can be super obtuse and say it was luck in their case but not in your religions case

>>2720221

>God decided to personally intervene in the personal translation efforts of a king who is otherwise an irrelevant footnote and also decided that ONLY that version and all the others are garbage even though that would mean millions/billions of souls of otherwise faithful Christians would be lost to Satan

There's mysterious ways and then there's this

>>2722868
>Also, if it was just a lame cult they didnt believe 100%, why did every apostle except John die a brutal, martyr's, death?

Where is the evidence?

>>2720686
Why should I trust someone who doesn't even know how to spell Kool-Aid

>>2724979
Why would you spell divine with an e, retard.

>>2722868
guess we better trust all the cult leaders who killed themselves along with their members

>>2720466
>You've never argued with yourself anon?
I often times have heated debates with myself on /his/ taking opposing viewpoints. If you see excessive ad hominem and breakdown of rational argument on /his/, both posters are probably me using /his/ as a psychological platform to disseminate what I believe.