Greeks

>>2719982
Greeks today looked no different than the ancient Greeks. They were never Nordics, they were always tanned mediterraneans.
>inb4 ottomans
I'm really loving this meme of how a small population of people could easily the displace the genotypes and phenotypes of the much larger native population just because they managed to conquer them. There really wasn't much racemixing during the ottoman rule. Also people of Greece have mixing with the people of Anatolia since ancient times, so your notion that there used to be "pure" Nordic Greeks is false. Also Greeks are in the same genetic cluster as the rest of Europe while turkey is far from it
Nice try stormcuck

That's an Italian's rendition of a Jew, not a greek's rendition of a greek

>>2719982

nice troll thread

expect 200 replies because this board is the personal dump of every shitposter from /pol/ and underage troll.

WE WUZ GREEKS AND SHEEIT

No, those statues are not meant to be "Nordic". Fuck off Varg.

>>2719982
David was greek?

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>>2719982
>Why did greeks depict themselves as nordics
>posts pic of an Italian statue from 1504

For real duder?

>tfw Kore 674 will never be your waifu

>>2720126
/thread

OP, if you think Greeks were Aryans that were turk'd, visit the Ionian islands, they were never conquered or racemixed with any invaders.

>>2719982
>king David was a Greek
Really fries those eggplants

All these shitposts and my almonds are still not activated, sage everywhere.

>>2720154
>visit the Ionian islands, they were never conquered or racemixed with any invaders
Uh the Venetians for centuries? There's even a wiki page about the sub-ethnicity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corfiot_Italians

>>2720126
This. Greeks never were aryan /hm/ guys
T.greek
>>2720140
Also this.
Please ignore this thread. And bringing that GD idiot into this is pure bait. Cause GD are literal stormcucks who looks like the bastard kid of an 80's skinhead and a sweaty fat arab

>Michelangelo
>Ancient Greek
MAXIMVM BAIT

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>>2719982
This dude doesn't look nordic to me.

>>2720126
Another thing to add to this, compare the climates in which Northern Europeans are indigenous to the climate that Greeks are indigenous too. No fucking shit they are going to look different. You really think in that extremely warm climate, they'd look like pasty ass scandis that burn easily in the sun. I don't where this whole conquest=racemixing meme started. Most of these conquests are for religious and political versions

>>2719982
I know many greeks that look like one on the left

>>2720222
*to
*reasons not versions

>>2720188
meant turkish invaders, sorry

Also, a demographic minority in one of the Ionian islands hardly proves that Greeks were replaced.

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>>2720214
Meh, like he's that different from pic related, a swede.
Don't get me wrong, nordic greeks is pure wewuzzism, but using busts to judge ethnicities is not much better.

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>>2720241
>>2720214

This guy is 100% japanese.

I always find it funny how the question is always why do Greeks look like Turks and Arabs? It's never the other way around which is more accurate. Also cherrypicking pictures means nothing, for every swarthy "Greek" you post, I can show you a pale one.
Another thing, most of these "Greeks" most posted on the Internet to disprove that they're not European and whatnot, Greeks are actually never posted. It's always gypsies, Turks, mixed people from Greece, or Cypriots

>>2720232
>Also, a demographic minority in one of the Ionian islands hardly proves that Greeks were replaced.
For that matter population replacement is a remarkably rare event, or at least has been in the last 2-3000 years. Invaders very rarely have even just a minor impact on the gene pool unless they're a full blown migration populace or they're invading a rather sparsely populated area.

>meant turkish invaders, sorry
I'm nitpicking and in no way I'm implying the ionians have been turkified, but I have to remind you that the Septinsular Republic was under Ottoman sovereignty for a whopping 7 years.

>>2720271
That's because that's what greeks are

>>2720258
Ainu are not Japanese, real Japs are Chinko-Korean mischlings.

>>2720271
Can I use a similar thinking to say Egyptians were black?

>>2720282
>For that matter population replacement is a remarkably rare event
Indeed, yet it happened very recently in Cyprus when the Turks invaded. Which, I guess, is one of the reasons people associate Turkish invasion with ethnic cleansing and replacement. There's no documentation of any such thing happening on the mainland, however.

>Septinsular Republic
Correct, although very short-lived. Nitpicking like this is fine by me as long as noone implies ridiculous ethnic replacement theories.

>>2720137
>Italian's rendition of a Jew
>uncircumcised

What did he mean by this?

>>2719982
There's nothing Nordic about that guy, he's just a handsome Caucasian man, could be Sicilian, French, German, there's nothing indicating he's Northen European, it's not like all Scandinavians are fashion models

And not all Greeks are ugly like that fat olg guy

>>2720214
Yeah, all ugly dudes are Southern Europeans whereas all good looking ones are "Nordic", you sure showed him

You're just as retarded as he is

>>2720398
You're the one who called him ugly not me.

>David
>Nordic
that golden dawn guy is just of another typology, looks somewhat Alpinoid like Socrates, not exactly a noble and aesthetic phenotype that classically inspired sculpture would have as an ideal

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>>2720418

>>2719982
>Italian
>During the Renaissance
>Representing a Jew

Stop being a dummy, you dummy

>>2720406
That's what you implied

You psoted an ugly ass fucker (Socreates) and stated >hooom he sure does look Greek to me


As if a good looking man like that sculpted by Michelangelo couldn't be Italian because he's too beautiful, while ALL Nords are ebautiful and look like Greek/Italian statues

You are a grade A retard/cuck

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>>2720428
I didn't even pay attention to the pic

>Why did greeks depict themselves as nordics
I was addressing this. Socrates doesn't look nordic to me. That's just it.

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>>2720428
>ALL Nords are ebautiful and look like Greek/Italian statues
Is this nigga serious

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>>2720453
Even amongst blonde greeks (which occurs at a rate of 7-10%), the facial profile is still distinctly mediterranean .

>>2719982
>Depicted themselves as nordcucks
obvious b8

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>>2720494

>>2720494
>distinctly mediterranean
Meh, mediterranean my ass, talk about a worthless classification. You'd have a hard time finding a profile like that outside Greece and Anatolia.

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>>2719982
At least they didn't depict themselves as Anglos.

>>2720494
I can confirm this, I have that same profile as an Iberian

>>2720514
>not using an image of Henry cavill
Really makes me think

>>2720539
>Henry Baldingvill
Also he's clearly of Norman (Nordic+French) extraction as evidenced by his surname, not an Anglo.

>>2720545
Okay, then what about Gerard butler

>>2720556
Scottish.

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>>2720510
yeah but definitely facially distinct from northern europeans is the point; even amongst blonde greeks.

>>2720572
>scots
>not Anglo-celts/Saxons
You're nitpicking at this point

>>2720579
>Anglo-Celts
My favorite cathegory alongside Germano-Slavs and Italo-Turks.

>>2719982
TURKED

>>2720759
the pirates always make me kek

I did personally see natives of the island of thassos with blue eyes and natural curly brown hair. Apparently they were never invaded. Also the greek man who hosted me told me how ancient greeks were taller and some had red hair. But that doesn't make them nordics. Even the brown haired blue eyed greeks I saw had the similar greek skull shape to the rest of greeks.

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>>2719982
Why is OP is a colossal faggot?

Why did OP use a renaissance Italian status of an ancient jew who never existed as an example?

Why do faggots think you can visually distinguish between caucasian populations?

>>2720137
Expecting baiting OP to make sense or even a point.

>>2720976
forgot le meme arrow.

>David
>Greek
>depict themselves
>made by an italian

You are a fucking retard

>>2719982

something something ottoman occupation something something systematic rape of indigenous population something something

>people still falling for this copypasta

>>2721143
but anon, rape is illegal

I blame American memes of "whiteness" and "the X colored race", or baiting, as well as teenage stupidity for threads like this.

>>2720222
>scandis
>pasty
>burning easily in the sun

ahahahahahahaha you fucking idiot scandis tan better and darker then any other europeans. They're not irish dumbass

>>2721238
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3494181/Swedish-firm-accused-promoting-blackface-selling-spray-tan-promises-chocolate-onyx-skin.html

>>2720759
Still looks Turkish desu

>>2721258
other way round

at least for some western turks

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>>2721258
Jeez, anon, I wonder why that is? It can't be because most Turks are just Anatolians and Greeks who assimilated.

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>>2719982
They didn't.

>>2721258
its turks that have greek mixture

>>2721337
not sure why people seem to forget that men spent all their time outside thousands of years ago and got tans

>>2719982
thats what happens when turks occupy you for 400 years

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>>2721435
This is a meme that needs to die off.

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>>2721258
This is Suleiman The Magnificent

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>>2721401
This is how a nordic person looks

>>2721435
Have you ever read anything about the ottomans, there really wasn't much racemixing. Cyprus is the only place the Turks altered genetically. Once again Greeks are in the same genetic cluster with the rest Europe, Cypriots in the middle, and Turks are from it

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>>2719982
Ancient greco-roman statues look like modern south europeans

same facial characteristics

>>2721435
Turks thought Greeks were unclean and Greeks thought Turks were unclean. Segregation was mutual. And nobles weren't impregnating every woman they could capture. Most guys with harems were too old, too drunk, too gay, or obsessed with autistic study to fuck their women. Many girls remained virgins for the duration of their lives.

>>2721435
Real Turks looked like Tuvans

Modern Turks are mostly Persian, Armenian and Greek with some Turkic genes in the more central parts of Turkey

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>>2720418
>Magna Graecia
>white

>>2722380
>he gets his "facts" from Tarantino movies

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>>2720126
>Greeks today looked no different than the ancient Greeks

This. The ancient Greeks looked like pic related. /pol/ BTFO

>Mantzoukas has described himself as being of "100 percent Greek" descent.[1][2]

>>2720271
My great grandfathers father came from crete off a boat and they where pretty white...Anecdotal evidence I know.

>>2722391
Tbh It is the beard that makes him looks like an allah snackbar terrorist

>>2722391
>/pol/ BTFO
Deep in their hearts, they know.

>>2721258
Other way around. It's the Turks that got Hellene'd. Turks are from Eastern Asia, a bit to the West of Mongolia, yet modern Turks don't look Asian. What happened is the ruling class changed and the plebs adopted their religion and language.

It's similar to how the Central Asian Turks got Scythed and don't really looked that Asian either.

>>2722391
Yes

Greeks have always mostly had dark hair and eyes like most Mediterranean folks with pale to olive skin, often baked golden in the sun

>>2721450
>Turkish soaps are a documentary
wew lad

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>>2722857
It's not far-off

Here is the picture of Turkish royal members

Greeks aren't white. Google Golden Dawn to see for yourself.

>>2723035
Shut up, Mehmet

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>>2719982
WIR

>>2722082
>Most guys with harems were too old, too drunk, too gay, or obsessed with autistic study to fuck their women. Many girls remained virgins for the duration of their lives.

GAAAAAY

modern Greeks are mongrels and rape babies
literally subhuman
nothing to do with the ancient Greeks

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>>2719982
Nowadays they're Albanians.

>>2724396
Albanians may be muslim but they are whiter than greeks

>>2720759
Why would you use women with obviously dyed hair?

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>>2723035
This guy gets it.

>>2724351
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Remove keyboard until you do.

>>2720154
So greeks always looked like arabs?

>>2722741
Holy shit just say brown skin lmao there is nothing bad about it

>>2720126
>Also Greeks are in the same genetic cluster as the rest of Europe while turkey is far from it

not really. turks are closer to europe than their "mongolian" anscestors

>>2720514
Jake gyllenhall isnt greek you dumbass

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They never did.

>>2724716
Turks are closest to the other Mediterranean peoples who setttled in the Neolithic

>>2724710
It's not accurate

I'm brown, greek people are not anywhere near my shade

>>2724710
No one in Europe has "brown" skin when untanned. This lingo is American white nationalist/SJW garbage.

>>2722869
Those people are half British or more by now. You can still find Turks that look like that but they wouldn't be exactly representative.

>>2724747
I disagree

Scandinavians and Brits for instance tend to be rather swarthy or "brown" compared to other Europeans because they're mostly descended from the dark skinned cro-magnon hunter gatherers who colonized Europe post-ice age

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>>2724754
That's not accurate, all Europeans only draw a minority of their ancestry from that (generally dark-skinned) population. Their Bronze Age steppe and Neolithic Anatolian input is greater (with a North to South cline and vice versa). This is what Europeans look like when forced to choose from those three populations.

In fact, British Islanders (UK + Ireland) are the lightest-skinned populations around, more so than Scandinavians even.

>>2724739
Keep in mind that there are no pure Neolithic populatinos left in the Middle East. They all intermingled with each other and certain types of ancestry expanded at the expense of others. But yes, Turks look mostly like pre-Turkic Anatolians wiht a significant chunk of Central Asian ancestry and some recent Balkan admixture (converted Balkan Muslims migrating there).

>>2724769
Yeah, the original populations were the Anatolian farmers, Zagros farmers, and Levant farmers who arose from the local hunter groups

>>2721435
when will this meme die

>>2720126
Why is it called racemixing when Anatolians are one of the major populations Europeans come from?

>>2724754
have you ever actually seen an (untanned) swede or do you only listen to ben franklin vintage shitposts? I look paler than death itself.

>>2724799
Because rabid internet warriors know better than population geneticists

>>2724847
And? You guys do tend to look tan, because Scandinavia and northwest Russia had the most hunter holdouts

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>>2724754

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>>2724754
Norwegian

>>2724861
And?

>>2724869
And? You can post whatever you pull from google images all day. But Scandinavians tend to be more brownish than other Europeans.

>>2724855
People can look tan if they actually tan, most shutins are as pale as you'd expect. Maybe you've looked at too many over-tanned leatherskinned old people, like my grandpa, but our ground state is generally pale. Do you even have any photographs that you've based your opinion on? I'd be happy to take a look at them.

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>>2724754
Danish

>>2724876
>But Scandinavians tend to be more brownish than other Europeans.
Please back up your statement.

>>2724855
>>2724876
Trolling or not, that's nonsense. Generally Europeans don't differ much in untanned skin color, with a general north-south cline and with some slight outliers (e.g. Brits-Irish are the palest on average).

>>2724754
>>2724769
Those ancient Western/Central/Southern hunter gatherer populations were much darker than any European today. In fact, If they were brought back to life they would like mulattos or South Indians or even the dreaded Somali. Their genes are significantly weaker than the other populations who FARMED and INDO'd/STEPPED their way into Europe.

>>2724894
Whoops, forgot to add "but with more European features as time went on" after the Somali part. They even had blue eyes before light skin. And you can't forget about the slightly more Neanderthal admixture.

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>>2724881
I think he means like this

>>2724902
yeah, that's a tan

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>>2724902

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>>2724894
Rate this east african camel herder.

>>2724923
caucasian/10

>>2724923
Is he Somali? Somalis are 50/50 African and """Arab""" aren't they?

>>2725284
Arab is a linguistic group like slav.

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>>2719982
Why use michaloliakos instead of a greek model or even a handsome young man? It's like me using a photo of your grandma or your ugly young sister and then claiming that all women look like shit.

>>2720494
>>2720504
Thats not a regular "Greek", thats supposed to be Apollo, which was always depicted as blonde because of his relation with the Sun. Just saying.

Memes aside, of course there were blonde Greeks, sure, they were not the majority, but we are talking about Caucasian European peoples here.

>>2724876
>But Scandinavians tend to be more brownish

No they don't moron. 70% of the population is blonde and blue-eyed, and it's even higher for Sweden and Finland.

>>2725907
70% of the population in Norway*

>>2725907
He was being nonsensical but he was obviously referring to skin color. That's what 'brownish' means.

And 70% of no population is "blonde and blue-eyed" unless you're using both in a kinda loose sense. Read the replies next time.

>>2725942
No native Scandinavian person can be said to be "brownish" in skin color. That's fucking ridiculous.

>>2725942
Northnern potato countries like latvia and ireland are the palest. If you club seals for a living you'll get plenty of vit D

>>2725907
More like 30%.

https://youtu.be/8v0ykTrTQEc?t=14m

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>>2725957
I see people like this literally every day.

>>2726015
If you didn't see 30% of the population you'd be a weird sort of shut-in.

>>2725957
>>>/pol/

>>2720759
>above
>depictions of privileged class, which are often lighter than the majority while also adhering to the norms of the global ruling class

>below
>underpriviligede class, that are darker and dirtier due to economic limitations

Both are greek. /his/tory is often the stories of the rulers because they could write. Just because others look through the lens of the underprivileged doesn't invalidate their views and its still a valid historical point

>>2726110
Got a genuine chuckle out of this.

Jokes aside, the "history of the underprivileged" is of course interesting and has been explored for pretty much every society about whose underclass we had some evidence (including ancient Greece) but it's probably not something that would interest most of /pol/, I mean /his/ too much.

>>2719982
Only the neonazi's.

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